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The History of Final Fantasy 74

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Nerezza writes "A new site, Oscuro Destiny, has put up its first feature! Final Fantasy is a feature article series from an up and coming site." Includes info on the history of Squeenix and a look at the MMOG.
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  • My Final Fantasy? (Score:4, Funny)

    by cerebralsugar ( 203167 ) * on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @11:27AM (#10503609)
    What gives? There's nothing about me, Pam Anderson, and Jenna Jameson spending a night together in here! Just something about some guys Cecil and Kane!
  • The newest combination product: A squeegy and kleenex

  • Final Fantasy Tactics (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Oshuma.Shiroki ( 232199 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @01:20PM (#10504687) Homepage Journal
    They left out one of the best in the series, Final Fantasy Tactics. And it's lesser counterpart FF Tactics Advance.
    • As I mentioned previously, the Final Fantasy "Series" as I had defined it, was only the numbered series, I through XI. Although Tactics has many fans (me NOT being one of them), it simply didn't fit into this continuity. However, a feautre on the NON numbered FF's may be something I do in the future, though it wouldn't be until next year, since the rest of the year's features are set in stone.
  • Gamespot already did a History of Final Fantasy, a fact that this article points out on its second page.

    This article seems to be nothing more than a re-wording of that piece; am I missing something?

    Also, please note the difference between "its" (possessive) and "it's". The article is full of all sorts of apostrophe wizardry.

    I'm not saying this to disparage the piece, only to let the author (who has already posted in this story) know about it. Even though I'm not a fan of the outcome, as a fan of the
    • Well it's and its are definitely my downfall. Yes, I know the difference, no I don't always catch them. That would be something I take up with my editor though, not my writers :) If I need to be good at something, it might as well be apostrophe wizardry, eh? ;) As for the Gamespot similiarities, on the "History of Square-Enix" section used information found at Gamespot. All other material in the entire feature was original writing. Being the VERY first feature we've ever done, this was a dry run. Usi
  • ... as a failed attempted to copy Final Fantasy VII.

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    • As I've already said somewhere else, all of the content, other than the History section, was original. In fact, I don't even read gamespot and have never even seen this article. I'm sure there are more out there as well, and I'm not going to repeat what I already said in another thread. But rest assured, we ripped off nothing. Also, FFXI was one of a few sections that was written with VERY short notice, after a writer backed out on me with only a few days remaining before the feature went live.

  • Very poor article. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mushroom blue ( 8836 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @04:12PM (#10506736)
    man. where should I start on this one?

    It is painfully obvious that Chris St. Pierre hasn't actually played the first three games of the series. normally, this wouldn't be something I'd hold against someone, but one would expect that someone who is writing a history of a certain topic would actually be fairly well-versed in the subject matter.

    the reason the above gripe is so important, is because the author starts making more assumptions on the series based on his lack of knowledge ("Some say it resembled an early Final Fantasy V"). to anyone that has actually played the first three games (all fully translated by various romhacking groups), this is a direct assault on their intelligence.

    Later sections tend to fluctuate between downright amateurish and passable, but all read like high school essays. Nobody cares about the author's personal experiences with the games. What's worse, in later articles, many of the authors start openly speculating on the motives of Squaresoft's development team, while trying to pass these comments off as fact.

    Minus numerous factual errors (Uematsu stopped being the primary composer near the end of FF8, not X2 as one author speculated), and largely sub-par writing styles, it's obvious that the authors actually care for the series. But would it have hurt them to spend at least an hour researching before writing something that's supposed to be a big draw on their site?

    if this lack of discipline is what I am to expect with the rest of the site, I don't think I'll ever be going back. and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
    • Hmm...this is a hard one to reply to...not because I have to take up a defensive position, but because it was the one of the ONLY responses so far to provide any sort of criticism worth reading, so I appreciate it. The first thing I need to start with is the Title, which is NOT the "History of Final Fantasy". That subject was edited by /. and originally read "The Final Fantasy Series". Though small, there is a difference between the two topics. One important thing to note is the nature in which the feat
    • My original post had no line breaks, making it VERY hard to read. This one does have line breaks.


      Hmm...this is a hard one to reply to...not because I have to take up a defensive position, but because it was the one of the ONLY responses so far to provide any sort of criticism worth reading, so I appreciate it.

      One important thing to note is the nature in which the feature was written. It was an undertaking that in no doubt had the standards set high. After all, it IS Final Fantasy we're talking ab
      • well, good luck with the site. the only thing I could suggest is some sort of copy editor that can do a bit of fact-checking.

        I guess a large part of this was my fault, as I had assumed from the /. headline that it was some sort of history. However, when writing the foreward (or whatever introductory piece) you might want to think about adding some sort of explanation of the motives or purpose of the article. you'd be amazed on how much this helps to not only clear up misconceptions, but provide the reader
        • Thank you for that. Yeah, When it was originally submitted "The History of Final Fantasy" was not the title it was given. In fact, the entire description that was sent in was scrapped and rewritten before it was posted. Not that it was any more in-depth, but it was completely different.

          No worries though, I'm glad you've pointed all these things out, and hope that you can give us another chance, if it's at least quick glances now and then to see how we're doing. :)

  • A pity (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RogueyWon ( 735973 ) on Tuesday October 12, 2004 @05:19PM (#10507593) Journal
    It's a real pity this article isn't better. There's certainly room for a good article on the history of the series; the gamespot article was by no means definitive.

    But this article was so bad as to be painful at times. First of all, if you're going to produce something of this length, PLEASE get somebody intelligent and literate to proof-read it before you post it. I'm not just referring to some of the obvious spelling and grammar errors in there, but also to the fact that it read like it was written by a bunch of 14 year old fanboys. Yes, I love the series as well, but you don't have to write every section of the article as though it's an advert for the game in question. Tone down the gushing a bit and turn up the actual content. You're not actually trying to make a profit off sales of the games, so you don't need to come over like an official advert.

    But please, please, don't then go and spoil the plot to pretty much every game in the series. Final Fantasy games live or die by their plots and giving away the whole thing isn't going to convince anybody to go out and play it. By all means sketch out the background to it, giving a bit of detail about the world, the protagonists and the villains. What we don't need is a breakdown of who does what to who and when. If we want to know that, we'll go play the game.

    Also, if you're going to write an article like this, try to actually include some content that the audience isn't likely to already know. Most Final Fantasy fans, even very casual ones, will know the main features of each game in the series. If you want us to read though something that long, you need to do a bit of research and tell us something we might not know. Maybe talk a bit about the public and critical receptions that each game received, compare the numbers of copies they sold with their main competitors or talk a bit about the inspirations for and motifs within each of the games. This information is all out there; if you want us to read and enjoy your article, go find it. Moreover, as a number of other comments have already pointed out, for the love of god, make sure you get your facts right and keep fact separate from opinion.

    Finally, where was all the missing stuff? No mention of Final Fantasy Tactics, Crystal Chronicles or Kingdom Hearts? It's a bit hard to see how you can do a complete history of the series withot touching on these. Sure, none of them appeal to quite the same audience as the "numbered" Final Fantasy games, but Square has a habit of using them to test ideas that later appear in the main series.
    • I'm going to direct you to my earlier response, which answers some of those questions.

      Click here for my earlier response. [slashdot.org]

      As for the missing FF's, the point of the article was to describe the numbered series, not the extras. As I mentioned in the link above, The History of Final Fantasy is NOT the title of this feature, and should not have been the title of this post. /. changed it. It was not meant to be a History of... feature.
    • You said: "Finally, where was all the missing stuff? No mention of Final Fantasy Tactics, Crystal Chronicles or Kingdom Hearts? It's a bit hard to see how you can do a complete history of the series withot touching on these. Sure, none of them appeal to quite the same audience as the "numbered" Final Fantasy games, but Square has a habit of using them to test ideas that later appear in the main series."

      First off, I'd like to point out that I did work on one of the pieces of the whole article. However, I
      • To clarify on that, Kingdom Hearts DOES have a lot do with Square and the inclusion of characters such as Aerith, Tidus, Wakka, Squall, Selphie and even a Moogle. However, Kingdom Hearts is a series all on its own. It is not part of the Final Fantasy series.
      • what the heck does Kingdom Hearts have to with Final Fantasy

        There are some "character advancements" surrounding some of Square's characters, so it may be worth mentioning. Yes, I know this piece was directed at the numerical FF games; I'm just defending the grandparent. In a couple of lines for example, Cloud's saga is completely re-opened.
  • Nerezza writes "A new site, Oscuro Destiny, has put up its first feature! Final Fantasy is a feature article series from an up and coming site." Includes info on the history of Squeenix and a look at the MMOG.

    I'm sorry to be so negative, but it kind of rubs me the wrong way that the submitter is a bit less than forthcoming about the fact that he is the webmaster of said site. Slashdot at its best feels like a community of like-minded souls sharing links and news, not promoting their own fan sites.
  • Yoshitaka Amano began character design for Squaresoft's FF series with FFIV; He went on to do work on a majority of final fantasy titles since (even if not necesarily on character design). He is the reason Cecil looked so damn cool and that the FFVI instruction booklet deserves to be framed.

    He invented moogles, for chrissake!

    Regardless of the other qualities of the feature, I have a question; Where is Yoshitaka Amano? While Nabuo gets extensive mention and a bio, I don't think I saw Amano's name more than

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