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PS2 Mod Chips Legal In Australia
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on Thu Oct 06, 2005 07:44 AM
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Buccaneer-American writes "Over here on Groklaw, PJ is reporting that PS2 mod chips are now legal in Australia. The highest Australian court decided in Stevens v. Sony to overturn a lower court ruling that PS2 mod chips were 'technological protection measures' which would run afoul of the Australian DMCA-equivalent. Because they do not protect copyrights per se, but are rather region coding devices, they were ruled to be regional coding devices. In short, we have Sony to thank for being a loser yet again and establishing some of our rights in case law, albeit sometimes inadvertantly." The High Court's decision is online, with some legal commentary from the Australian court. More coverage of this story available at The Age and SMH.
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Region Coding (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Region Coding (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Region Coding (Score:2)
I mean, if the only reason we have region encoding is because the content manufacturers say "Pretty please," why hasn't there been more uproar or at least dissent?
Re:Region Coding (Score:2)
Re:Region Coding (Score:2)
What this does mean is that Joe the electronics shop guy can legally chip players to ignore region flags and sell them as region-free. (Although to hack out Macrovision would probably still be illegal.)
Re:Region Coding (Score:2)
Re:Region Coding (Score:2)
The problem is that there are different standards for movies and ratings, so a movie that is perfectly acceptable in the US with an R rating may be illegal to be possess in Japan - they have very strict laws about nudity in some forms. There are similar rules concerning language and violence in other parts of the world.
Similarly, airlines have to get specially edited movies which are leg
Australian Copyright Laws Are Still Bad (Score:5, Informative)
Fair use might not be the way to go... (Score:2)
Of course, fair use would be better
About time that somebody started fighting back... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:About time that somebody started fighting back. (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, in Australia, region-coded DVDs have already gone. That's the precedent that was used in this argument. Multiregion DVD players are definitely legit in Australia.
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Region free DVD players are legal (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:About time that somebody started fighting back. (Score:2)
Re:About time that somebody started fighting back. (Score:2)
Why Sony? (Score:2, Funny)
(j/k)
Also holds for DVD region encoding? (Score:2)
It's fairly easy to thus deduce that large retailers can also sell region free DVD players, and in fact even have those same large retailers sell pre-modded consoles, not just the small shop on the corner.
In other matters, it also looks like precedent is set that merely "using a copyrighted work" does not constitute infringement, a tactic that some have used before against others (as in "copying to memory is infringement").
Re:Also holds for DVD region encoding? (Score:2)
Re:Also holds for DVD region encoding? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Also holds for DVD region encoding? (Score:2)
It's essentially illegal to sell a region specific DVD player in Australia.
Re:Also holds for DVD region encoding? (Score:2)
It's about time... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:It's about time... (Score:2)
Richard Alston's resigned then has he?
(Seriously - I've been out of the country for 5 years)
What about the U.S.? (Score:2)
Re:What about the U.S.? (Score:2, Informative)
Tomorrow's headline... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Tomorrow's headline... (Score:2, Funny)
Sorry, you seem to have slipped the word quality in there by accident.
Re:Tomorrow's headline... (Score:2)
Always hoping they'd shoot themselves in the foot (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder if this may make them reconsider regional lockouts for the next version of their console. Piracy must cost them a lot more than grey imports. At least the grey imports count as a sale, and it's a lot more hassle to get hole of them than copying a disc from a friend.
Am I the only... (Score:3, Interesting)
Mod chips have two uses (Score:2)
If the mod chips sold only play original games and overcome region coding then there's no problem with them in my book.
Re:Mod chips have two uses (Score:2)
How unfortunate. Sucks to be Sony, huh?
In other news today, soldiers protect you from rogue states but also torture prisoners and take photos as souvenirs, Catholic priests are mostly nice old guys but sometimes they're rather too interested in children, and your computer can send information to any other machine on the internet, whether or not it's information that you should be sending.
Re:Mod chips have two uses (Score:4, Insightful)
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legal commentary from the Australian court? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:legal commentary from the Australian court? (Score:3, Informative)
Landmark case (Score:5, Informative)
This is a case where it's very important to at least read the press release, since the posting is somewhat misleading. This ruling and the jurisprudence it represents are fundamentally different from US court's views.
To start with, it's important to note that the guy was mainly selling illegally copied games, and was selling the modchips together with them so that these games would play. Thus the appeal was about whether the sale of the modchips was legal, even though they were sold to allow pirated games to play on the system.
Next, the brunt of the ruling is that while the act of copying the games was illegal, the modchips have no effect on that. The modchips only affect the loading of games to the console memory. And now comes the important bit:
Note that in the US, running a program is thought to include an act of copying it from storage to RAM, and hence fall under the purview of copyright law.Now, companies are allowed to use technology to restrict the loading of programs (this is about price discrimination), but you are allowed to modify a device you own, so modchips are legal even though they allow you to play copied games, indirectly helping you violate copyrights.
More (Score:2, Informative)
See this post [blogspot.com] at Weatherall's Law.
the goddamn (Score:3, Interesting)
saying you can't take steps to ensure you own your property.
if you paid for the chips, you have a right to access them any way you please.
fuck sony, fuck microsoft and fuck nintendo.
under the guise of "fighting piracy" they !steal! your access rights to your own property.
get a clue... it has nothing to do with "piracy" but with control. their business model requires them to deny you the customers the ability to control your property so they can convince developers to pay them for the privilege of making games. but the problem with this is that IT'S YOUR PROPERTY because you paid for it and it's ILLEGAL for them to prevent you from accesssing your property.
fucking incompetent and bought judges/legislators.
their business model requires them to rent you machines under the premise of buying it outright. but if you buy it outright, you have every right to have unrestricted access... car dealers/manufacturers don't require you to get permission when you want to take a drive. and this is a physical product so the analogy holds.
fuck off and die you leeches. i fully endorse people taking back their property using any means necessary.
if you want to rent consoles, call it renting and then behave accordingly. what you are doing is unethical, immoral and illegal (bribed officials don't count). and you can go bankrupt for all i care. you treat your customers like shit and take away their lawful property rights.
the console business model almost makes the RIAA/MPAA's model look valid by comparison.
Re:Australian Courts Making Sense? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Everybody knows what mod chips are for (Score:3, Insightful)
Nice flamebait. You didn't even read the summary, never mind the article, did you?
The ruling was that mod chips are OK because they're used to bypass region coding. Australia has a problem with region coding, and Australians generally don't see why they
Re:Everybody knows what mod chips are for (Score:2)
That misses the point (Score:2, Insightful)
If Sony *hadn't* tried to tie multiple things together (region coding + copy protection) and only used their chips for copy protection then they would have won.
What the court said is that if there is a legitimate use for mod chips (and bypassing region coding is legit) then they're legal even if they also bypass copyright protection as a side effect.
By my reading of this (IANAL) all the games industry has to do to get around this ruling is to remove all the extra nasties, like reg
What About Homebrew? (Score:3, Insightful)
Your reading, while a sense making interpretation, worries me.
Sure, removing region coding, etc, would be great. But that doesn't mean that the only use for a mod chip is bypass
Console makers' official position on homebrew (Score:3, Informative)
What about homebrew apps?
The major console makers' official position is that you're not supposed to do homebrew at all on their consoles. Instead, learn video game development by developing games for PCs and PDAs, learning the Allegro, OpenGL, and DirectX APIs along the way. The GameCube, Nintendo DS, and PSP all use OpenGL for graphics, and the Xbox uses DirectX. Once you have already made commercially successful games on PCs and/or PDAs, then you're deemed worthy to be hired by a licensed console game
Re:Everybody knows what mod chips are for (Score:2)
Re:Everybody knows what mod chips are for (Score:5, Informative)
Utter crap. I had my PS2 chipped so I didn't have to see that fricking "This disc cannot be played due to regional restrictions" message on my screen. After shelling out good legal tender for a DVD.
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Re:Everybody knows what mod chips are for (Score:5, Informative)
Wrong. One of the worst things about modern consoles is the fact that the medium used for distributing the games is DVDs. DVDs are slow compared to hard drives, so one solution popular among PS2 people is to copy images of their games to a large-capacity hard drive and boot a game loader directly off their memory card that will then load the games from the HD instead of from an optical disc. This is as fair as fair-use gets, and it requires a modchip.
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Re:Everybody knows what mod chips are for (Score:2)
although, game piracy is a sideeffect that you can't avoid. Once the ability to do it is there, you kinda start to realize that most of the games really aren't worth more than 20$. Darkwatch is a piece of shit. Narutimet Hero is an EXCELLENT game. piracy of the former, purchasing of the latter. although, shel
Re:Regional coding devices... (Score:4, Informative)
Two separate issues:
Region Coding [hometheaterinfo.com] has to do with price discrimination [wikipedia.org], i.e. the desire of the media companies to charge different prices in different countries depending on what people will pay by preventing you from buying a DVD in Africa, and reselling it in the US. It is a techonology that they apply for economic reasons, and has nothing to do with the consumer. It is perfectly legal to buy a DVD that will ignore the coding (though they are much more expensive than regular ones). Computer programs that play DVDs ignore this coding too.
Making personal copies [eff.org] (warning: link discusses the copyright regime of the USA) has to do with copyright law. It's not about giving your copy to someone else, but about creating more copies. Just because you're allowed to modify your PS2 (for example, to play games bought in other regions) doesn't mean you are allowed to freely copy the games without paying for them.
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Re:Regional coding devices... (Score:2)
Re:What a minute... I'm confused... help! (Score:2)