Japan's Top 100 Games 108
Next Generation has a piece with the Top 100 Games of All Time, as voted by the nation of Japan. From the article: "1. Final Fantasy X (2001) 2. Final Fantasy VII (1997) 3. Dragon Quest III (1988) 4. Dragon Quest VIII (2004) 5. Machi (1998) 6. Final Fantasy IV (1991) 7. Tactics Ogre (1995) 8. Final Fantasy III (1990) 9. Dragon Quest VII (2000) 10. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)"
4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
Or maybe they're just good games?
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
Or so this article would have you believe.
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
Considering Square and Enix were the two largest producers of RPG's in Japan before their merger, and that they are now by extension by far the largest producer of RPG's in Japan after the merger, I don't think your statement is as ridiculous as you meant it to sound. I mean, news flash: Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest are popular in Japan! Who knew??
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
It's not a list made by experts analyzing the merit of the games. It was a poll: "Which game did you like best?" Clearly, there is a broader range of people (at least in their poll cross-section) that liked certain Final Fantasy style games best, unless they asked the question a certain way or skewed the results to make them look better for some reason.
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2, Informative)
I'm thinking this was a poll conducted by Square-Enix to the members of the Square-Enix Fan-Club. The only Final Fantasy game that doesn't appear on the list is Final Fantasy XI - which is good, because it's widely considered one of the worst MMORPGs of all times!
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
All the subsequent Final Fantasy games are NOT sequels. The only (and infamous) exception is Final Fantasy X-2 which is a sequel of (obviously) FF-X.
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2, Funny)
I would describe Zelda as being "more of the same" before Final Fantasy. At least Final Fantasy has a story with unique charactors. Zelda doesn't even [i]try[/i] (for the most part, though Ocarina did have a cool storyline) to have a unique story or well-made charactors.
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
I've played every one of the Zelda games, including the gameboy games. I've also played every one of the Final Fantasy games. How many have you played?
Zelda did go through a big gameplay change between 2d and 3d, and the story of Ocarina was really cool. However, there really isn't all th
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
Alright, now compare Ocarina with Wind Waker
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
You listed simularities between two FFs. I listed simularities between all Zeldas.
>>It's the same freaking thing!
Whatever. How come overhauling the gameplay in FFs is "the same freaking thing!" yet adding a couple of new items in Zelda is innovation?
>>Wanna bet? Each character has a general class.
No. In 8 and 10 (and 7,
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
How the fuck does adding a few items change how the game is played? So you can change the wind, big fucking deal.
>>Um - yes, there are. I just listed them.
Dude are you dense? I just explained there aren't. Think Tidus is a warrior? Watch him double-cast Ultima. T
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
I've played more Zelda games than you have.
>>As for classes, yes, you can change a character's class/job. Big deal. But the classes I listed are what they start as.
You can change classes in 3, 5, and X-2. 1, 4, and 9 have set classes. 2, 6, 7, 8, and 10 have no classes. If you'ld ever actually played these games you
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:2)
I hate to be pedantic here, but by the definition you give, no, it isn't.
1. Something that follows; a continuation.
Like SW Episode one came out following SW Episode 6, right? This isn't the right usage here.. you want to look at:
2. A literary, dramatic, or cinemat
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, you have to keep in mi
Easy (Score:2, Informative)
they played Final Fantasy, Zelda, Dragon Quest
its a culture thing.
Re:Easy (Score:1)
Re:Easy (Score:1)
LOL.
Well, that much is true
Although, Zelda and FF are taken to a whole new level in japan... what I meant was, here we like Zelda and FF, you know, they're good games, they sell well, its a hit. but in japan, its really part of the culture of gamers. why do you think square created like 3 final fantasies that were just sold in japan, its because the sales figures were much more impressive over there.
and
Re:4 of the top ten are Final Fantasy? (Score:1)
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Not again... (Score:5, Insightful)
* the list is biased toward older / newer / console / PC / handheld / RPG / arcade / puzzle games!
* the list doesn't mean anything, lists like this never do (of course they don't)
* oh man, I completely forgot that game, that was fun.
Lists like that are compiled regularly. It's hardly news, but hey, if it reminds you of a game you haven't played in years or lets you know of a gem you'd never have known about otherwise...
Reflection of taste differences (Score:2, Insightful)
Just take a look at that list. Most of the games listed are role-playing games and/or games developed by Japanese developers. This data tells us numerous things about the electronic gaming market in Japan and certainly reflects attudinal differences between us and th
Re:Not again... (Score:1)
Why is the NES Legend of Zelda "not on here" or "ranked so low"? This is crap.
Why are these all newer games, have people forgotten the greatness of NES?
These people are obviously idiots (i.e. uninformed youth), but that's alright.
Hey, where's my copy of "Ikari Warriors"/"SNES Legend of Zelda"/etc.?
They have no taste (Score:2)
They have more taste than we do (Score:1)
Says a lot about Square-Enix (Score:1)
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Re:Says a lot about Square-Enix (Score:1)
Kung fu, but not true classics? (Score:2)
No Katamari Damacy? (Score:5, Funny)
Where was cousin Ace? Playing Animal Crossing (#43)?
We have no idea what you are talking about.
Re:No Katamari Damacy? (Score:1)
Re:No Katamari Damacy? (Score:1)
Popular votes (Score:1)
I'm both scratching my head at the voters for placing FFX at #1 and thanking them for putting FFX-2 down at #32.
Someone go to Target and buy them some genres (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Someone go to Target and buy them some genres (Score:2)
Re:Someone go to Target and buy them some genres (Score:2)
Some of us would call that pretty much the opposite of pathetic. I personally think it's refreshing.
Only two PC games that I can see (Wizardry and SimCity?) Only a two sports games I noticed (Gran Tourismo 4 Super Family Fun Baseball Pro Gold Happy or whatever.)
Wow, so you're saying an entirely different culture values games differently than we do? I'm shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you!
Seriously, what's up with your Amerocentric-ness? Just because we like FPS'
Re:Someone go to Target and buy them some genres (Score:2)
I wouldn't say what's up with my American-centric-ness, I'd say what the hell's up with the game industry's Japan-centric-ness? I think Microsoft has the right position on this issue, personally. About time th
Re:Someone go to Target and buy them some genres (Score:1)
Yeah really, there is certainly no way the top 100 in the US would be totally made up of FPS, Sports and RTS games.
Every culture has it biases, including the US. True the list of 100 top games in Japan does not fit what the US has, but it certainly is not limited in it's genres any more than we would. The geners I found a a quick glance are RPG (fantasy and otherwise), 3rd Person shooter,
Re:Someone go to Target and buy them some genres (Score:1)
Even those probably aren't the PC versions. The 1991 SimCity is more than likely the Super Famicom / SNES title. (The PC version was released in 1989.) The 1997 Wizardry was likely the Famicom / NES title, with the original PC release waaay back in 1984. (I have no idea when, or if, a Japanese PC version was ever released.)
Gaming in Japan is largely done on game consoles. Computers are, oddly enough, mostly used for computing. If you visit
Oh Man So Biased! LOL! (Score:2, Troll)
OMFG! 7 of 10 games in the list are Square-Enix! They must have like totally biased the results somehow!
Or maybe Square-Enix just made some really good games?
Recall Blizzard in the PC world... every title in the Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo series is in the top 20 sellers of all time, and most won Game of the Year awards across the board.
Re:Oh Man So Biased! LOL! (Score:2)
What a rock-solid scientific argument. I take it back, the list was definitely biased.
Upset of the Decade --!!! (Score:1)
Animal Crossing 43, Pokemon 51 ... slate voting (Score:1)
Unless people who play Animal Crossing and Pokemon (both Japanese) tend to be too young to vote in this poll.
I've noticed people frequently do ballot-stuffing when we have film festival voting here - it's really obvious, because you get something like 500 votes of 5 (best), and maybe 30 votes of
Re:Animal Crossing 43, Pokemon 51 ... slate voting (Score:4, Insightful)
If the readers of say, PC Gamer (in the US) were to be polled with the same question, their list would likely be dominated by FPSes and strategy games, probably ignoring less "hardcore" games like The Sims. Likewise, if you were to survey the readers of a European Nintendo mag, they'd probably favor Nintendo games over any others.
This isn't a case of ballot stuffing; it's just a matter of demographics... the people who read Famitsu tend to favor traditional, Japanese RPGs. In reality, there are Yu-Gi-Oh games that have outsold some of those top-ranking FF titles, so clearly this list isn't a very accurate representation of game popularity.
Re:Animal Crossing 43, Pokemon 51 ... slate voting (Score:1)
Well, I've got the Sims (PC, many add-ons), Sims (GameCube), Sims: The Urbz (GameCube), Sims 2(PC, many add-ons), Sims 2 (xBox) and I don't think I've ever even seen a magazine tha
It's obvious... (Score:5, Funny)
Yet another example of east-west differences (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Yet another example of east-west differences (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Yet another example of east-west differences (Score:2)
I don't think this could be farther from the truth. Tthere is a huge reviene of a gap between the console RPG community and the RTS/TBS communities, as there is with the MMORPG community and the PC RPG community. You're dealing with some huge devides, and a lot of intense in-fighting between these crowds. You've just compared two game series: one is a PC series, one is
Re:Yet another example of east-west differences (Score:1)
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Aw [Bleep] (Score:2)
29. Kingdom Hearts II (2005)
I still have to wait another 22 days for this to come out in the US.
Re:Aw [Bleep] (Score:2)
If I get a new console, I'll probably get a US one...
Re:Aw [Bleep] (Score:2)
Re:Aw [Bleep] (Score:2)
Quite a lot of European TVs are happy to take NTSC as well as PAL. Plus PAL / NTSC is a none issue with HDTV, as far as I know all HDTVs basically use the same standards.
Sadly I don't have either, but my Japanese PlayStation that I picked up is perfectly happy using a European RGB SCART cable, so I'd imagine a PS3 would be the same as it still uses the same connector for SDTV. I could either t
I would really like to see some qualifiers... (Score:1)
I would much rather see a "top fifty" list compiled where the voters do not like to spend any more than five hours per week on games. I would expect titles like Wario Ware, Inc and Katamari Damacy to be close to (or in) the top ten.
Re:I hate to say it (Score:3, Insightful)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Wow. (Score:2)
and of these three, I didn't play Sim City much, and didn't exactly play Tetris (Gameboy) because I've played Tetris on other platforms. Wizardry, on the other hand, was the first game I got for my Apple II and I played all the way through it and the first few expansions.
Considering how much I like RPG games, I'd have thought that there would be more overlap. But I gu
Re:Wow. (Score:1)
The Japanese version is a port of the original version. During the late 80s it was ported to PC98 series [wikipedia.org] (Sorry its Japanese.) by company called ASCII [ascii.co.jp] (Which owns Famitsu by the way). It came in 5" floppy and you had to abuse the silver write protect sticker so the characters don't get erased if things went wrong. The ported version had the same line art maze but the
Re:Wow. (Score:1)
Arrrrgh! The Japanese got some good ports.
Just today I ran into a look at FM-TOWNS version of Ultima VI [solsector.net]. That's full speech. The rest of the world had to wait for Ultima IX to get our share of awful voice acting. (The samples on the above page are absolutely brilliant compared to U9's garbage.)
As for what this has to do with the article... um... oh yeah, I'm glad Ultima III got 7 places out of
Errors? (Score:1)
This does not correspond with TFA.
Re:Errors? (Score:1)
I'm disappointed (Score:1)
Game Quality is the issue (Score:1)
Re:Game Quality is the issue (Score:1)
Looks about right (Score:2)
If it doesn't take an hour of random repetitive turn-based monster battles to walk from one edge of the continent to the other, it's not a game I'm willing to waste my time with.
Wait, what? (Score:1)
Final Fantasy Analysis (Score:1)
1. FF X
2. FF VII
6. FF IV (Released in west as FF II)
8. FF III (NES - Not released in west until much later)
15. FF V (Not released in west until much later)
22. FF VIII
24. FF IX
25. FF VI (Released in west as FF III)
60. FF II (Not released in west to my knowledge)
63. Final Fantasy
Seeing the original rated lower than ANY of the sequels was a surprise, but nowhere near as big of a sho
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My list of 10 best japanese games. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:My list of 10 best japanese games. (Score:2)
That game started in the US as a bootleg Pac Man project which was eventually sold to Midway, the US distributor of Pac Man.
Midway later sold it to Namco, the developer of Pac Man. Ms. Pac Man was a US er citizen. Pac being. Puck being. Whatever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Pac-Man [wikipedia.org]
Some Statistics on the List (Score:1)
1986 - 4 entries - avg rank: 59.75
1987 - 5 entries - avg rank: 61.6
1988 - 4 entries - avg rank: 58.5
1989 - 3 entries - avg rank: 62
1990 - 8 entries - avg rank: 53.62
1991 - 4 entries - avg rank: 44.75
1992 - 8 entries - avg rank: 37.87
1993 - 4 entries - avg rank: 75
1994 - 6 entries - avg rank: 52.16
1995 - 6 entries - avg rank: 31.16
1996 - 4 entries - avg rank: 46.25
1997 - 4 entries - avg rank: 59.5
1998 - 6 entries - avg rank: 28.83
1999 - 2 entries - avg rank: 24.5
2000 - 5 entrie