Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

News for nerds, stuff that matters

Slashdot Log In

Log In

Create Account  |  Retrieve Password

A Lot of Money for Playing Games

Posted by samzenpus on Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:02 PM
from the professional-minesweeper dept.
knowhow writes "Tom Taylor took the risk of dropping out from high school just to play video games. The guy who is just 18 years old, was prompted to take this step; because of the reason that emerged from his love for gaming. After playing for six months on a full time basis the guy signed a contract for a staggering $250,000." From the Article:"Now Tom taylor is known as Tsquared on the gaming circuit. He's earning six figures and has product endorsements and a video game tutoring business. He's one of about 100 professional gamers associated with Major League Gaming, a video gaming league founded in 2002. When they're playing well, pros might bring home a few grand a month."
+ -
story
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
 Full
 Abbreviated
 Hidden
More
Loading... please wait.
  • by JoeCommodore (567479) <larry@portcommodore.com> on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:04PM (#16404063) Homepage
    I wonder in what situation he will be, he better be working on a backup skill.
    • by Frogbert (589961) <frogbert@NOSpAM.gmail.com> on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:10PM (#16404113)
      Yes I'm sure someone handling their own expensive sponsership deals, complex contracts and his own business would have no marketable skills outside of playing quake.
      • What exactly is the marketable skill in signing a contract that says 'give me loads of money'?
        • by TapeCutter (624760) on Thursday October 12 2006, @03:56AM (#16405411) Journal
          "What exactly is the marketable skill in signing a contract that says 'give me loads of money'?"

          None at that stage, but getting someone to offer you a genorous contract in the first place is a "marketable skill". If this kid has any financial smarts he will suck that contract dry and get a renewal, if not he will get bored, throw a "party", and watch it slip through his fingers.

          I dropped out of high school at 16 (Australia), it did not stop me from renting a house, buying a car, raising a family... Sure I completed a BSc when I was 30 because by that time I had figured out what I wanted to do, now I am 47 my pay pack is well above average. To be honest, I would have to say that making a living is less "financialy challenging" when you have the right bits of paper, but that still doesn't mean your life is ruined without them.

          However the notion that dropping out of school will ruin the rest of your life is false and usually promoted by those who stayed at school and have yet to find out what earning a pay packet is all about. And no, a couple of years burger flipping while leeching off your friends and relatives does not qualify.

          BTW: Please excuse my spelling, as I said, I'm a high school dropout.
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            Conversely, people who haven't been to school often fail to understand its benefits, which, as often as not, are not necessarily financial. Moreover, one person's success does not make a given path the smooth one. Fact is, and I'm sure you're aware of this, most dropouts do miserably.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Assuming he didn't tell his high school teachers to kiss his shiny rich ass on the way out, he should go knocking on Harvard's door for an education. He can afford it and money talks at that school. Although I'm not sure if the blue bloods will want a prize-winning video game player in their midst. MIT or Stanford might take him. And then write a book.
        • by camperdave (969942) on Thursday October 12 2006, @01:17AM (#16404717) Journal
          I'm sure he can probably play SAT long enough to get his score up to 1500.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            I've never met anyone who got into MIT on the basis of money. And even if they somehow did, they'd flunk out the first semester if they weren't really damned smart and already had an excellent high-school level education.

            |>oug
            • by The Great Pretender (975978) on Thursday October 12 2006, @07:28AM (#16406533)
              Which is really ironic as I've yet to hire a MIT grad. Every one that I've interviewed (and yes a pool of 5 is statistically significant, even if it is a very small representation of a population) has an ego the size of a planet and actually seems to have got a very poor education with respect to usable, practical science. However, they seem to assume that I'll hire them based on the image the MIT research gets in the media. My guess this media image is generated by a very few select departments. - Mod this for flamenait and bring on the MIT flaming (actually it'll be interesting to see how 'clever' the flaming is).
              • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                Every one that I've interviewed (and yes a pool of 5 is statistically significant, even if it is a very small representation of a population) has an ego the size of a planet and actually seems to have got a very poor education with respect to usable, practical science.

                That's probably because MIT has a very significant humanities requirement.... (That was a joke, btw, even though it is true.)

                The joke around Boston is that you hire Northeastern grads to get the work done, MIT grads to be your CTOs, and Harva

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:18PM (#16404169)
      It would take me seven years to make that much money. Maybe I should worry about what to do since my money dries up before each month ends. You make it sound like he won't have a job after the $250,000. With the current trend of video games I might say his job is more secure than a lot of people I know.
      • Seven years? Man you need a better job ...

        Anyways, the problem with a competition of this nature is that you can make a lot of money as long as you're at the top of your game. For every person in this league there is (probably) 100 people who are nearly as good and (if they so choose) could easily start challenging you for your spot in the league. In other words you always are at risk of not being good enough to keep your 'job'.

        Growing up, I knew a few guys who ended up becomming professional snowboarders;
    • Game tester. It's not really that fun (playing same games repeatedly until they're balanced/stable enough), but he's got the skills.
    • I wonder in what situation he will be, he better be working on a backup skill.


      Given the money he's making, he'll have no trouble putting himself through college to pick up a backup skill after the funding for pro gaming has dried up.
        • by creimer (824291) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:39PM (#16404297) Homepage
          If you have a significant chunk of change in any set of stocks that pay qualified dividends (tax free), anyone can make $3,000 a month (or more likely, $9,000 every quarter) to live on. That's what a lot of rich people do. That's what senior citizens do after saving for 30 or 40 years. That's what I'm in my Roth IRA (although I'm years away from pulling three grand a month in dividends). Nothing magical about it. Unfortunately, a lot of kids just don't get it that there's more to life beyond today.
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            "Unfortunately, a lot of kids just don't get it that there's more to life beyond today"

            Unfortunately you don't get there's a lot more to life than money. Money is a means to various services. Everyone needs to contribute to society in order to draw on the services of society. For those who no longer work, it's simply saying you've payed your dues(in the form of time) to society equivalent to those which you're drawing back from society.

            To get those IRAs or dividends to the degree which you did, if you di
            • by creimer (824291) on Thursday October 12 2006, @02:18AM (#16405015) Homepage
              Considering that I'm planning to live to be 120, and will be into my fourth or fifth career by the time I retire at 100, I don't have a problem with this. Why retire at 30 and waste your life for the next 90 years?
            • by gfxguy (98788) on Thursday October 12 2006, @10:59AM (#16409475)
              Unfortunately you don't get there's a lot more to life than money.


              It's true there's a lot more to life than money... but I hardly see how you can read that he doesn't understand that from his post.

              There's a lot more to life than money, so when I have enough to retire comfortably, I can pay someone to clean and do yard work. That way I can spend more time with my family - because spending more time with my family is more important the money I'm spending to do it.

              So this whole "money can't buy hapiness" is true only to the point that material possessions don't bring true happiness, but financial freedom gives you the ability to DO the things you might not otherwise be able to - travel, go back to school, pay others to do the menial tasks you've had to do in the past to free up more of your time, and if you've got enough you can be a philanthropist. If you're a computer geek, you can write or finance (or both) that useful application you've been thinking people would enjoy.

              But regardless, you are always being a benefit to society - that guy you pay to cut your grass doesn't have to collect welfare, for example. You still buy food and the necessities of life and pay bills and so forth, all helping the next generation of people survive without being a drain on societies resources.
          • by The Wooden Badger (540258) on Thursday October 12 2006, @02:16AM (#16405001) Homepage Journal
            But the problem is that this type of person generally is more interested in having the toys than the security. Some people can get away with it because they are content in a smaller house with a reasonable car that joe public can afford. Throw the big bucks at many others and they start thinking pimped Escalades and stuff from Cribs.
  • Women (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:05PM (#16404069)
    I suppose that, unlike actual sports leagues, Major League Gaming doesn't have to worry about sex party scandals.
  • Rating (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kangburra (911213) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:07PM (#16404087)
    Major League Gaming [mlgpro.com] shows he's not even the best! :-(
    • Hrmm, he is 8th in halo2. what else does he play pro? well, according to his score sheet, nothing.
  • by TubeSteak (669689) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:16PM (#16404163) Journal
    Obviously the youngun's have the advantage when it comes to twitch style video gaming, but this seems very reminscent of poker, where you can make aliving playing if you're good enough, but not many people are that good.

    As for the people who say "what's his backup skill going to be?" Assuming he can talk & isn't butt ugly, I imagine he'll be a commentator or spokesperson someday.

    Hell, if there's enough drama in the industry, he can write a book too.
    • by Rachel Lucid (964267) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:20PM (#16404175) Homepage Journal
      We may as well talk about the guys who drop out of school to play basketball...
    • Everyone always talks about wanting to get a job where they get paid to do what they enjoy, but I tend to wonder if maybe you'd get burned out of doing something that you enjoy as a pastime, if you had to start doing it for 8, 10 or 12 hours a day. (Okay, admittedly there are WoW players who seem to have no problems there.)

      There are lots of things that I enjoy in moderation that I don't think I'd like anymore, if I started doing them as my day job. Maybe it's just me...but I just think that playing games for a living might take the fun out of it.

      I guess maybe this is because I enjoy playing games as a way to relax, and I guess I wouldn't want to play them more than a few hours a day, regardless of the other constraints on my time.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Yeah, tell me about it. I used to love programming. Until I started doing it for a living.
  • Nice "editing" (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:19PM (#16404173)
    I'm not usually one to complain about the editors, but come on.

    The guy who is just 18 years old, was prompted to take this step; because of the reason that emerged from his love for gaming.

    Set that poor semicolon free! It doesn't deserve to be cooped up in that horrible excuse for a sentence! The semicolon is a beautiful creature that can only be appreciated in its natural habitat: a sentence containing two full independent clauses. Or certain lists.

    • by prichardson (603676) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:53PM (#16404375) Journal
      "a sentence containing two full independent clauses. Or certain lists."

      That should read: 'a sentence containing two full independent clauses or certain lists.'

      There was no reason to separate those thoughts. It made the flow of your prose awkward. I must refer you to the old saying about glass houses and accusations. :-)
    • The semi-colon is my friend; grandparent post was a poor example of its usage.
  • What? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anne_Nonymous (313852) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:33PM (#16404247) Homepage Journal
    >> The guy who is just 18 years old, was prompted to take this step; because of the reason that emerged from his love for gaming.

    Say that again, but not in Klingon.
    • Re:What? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Brett Buck (811747) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:52PM (#16404367)
      Now how can we argue with that. I think we are all indebted to Gabby Johnson here for clearly stating what had to be said. And I'm glad the children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish...but it expressed a courage that is little seen in this day and age.
  • by MemeSpitter (781288) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:38PM (#16404283)
    "The guy who is just 18 years old, was prompted to take this step; because of the reason that emerged from his love for gaming."
    "... do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites, standing for absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college." -- Kurt Vonnegut
    Or, if you must, at least avoid using if you haven't the foggiest idea of where to put them (such as, say, between two independent clauses). All that does is show you've dropped out of high school to play video games.
    • if you must, at least avoid using if you haven't the foggiest idea of where to put them

      print "Such as at the end of the line rather than in the middle.\n" ;
  • by jorghis (1000092) on Wednesday October 11 2006, @11:50PM (#16404357)
    I cant even count the number of people I knew when I was in college who threw away the chance to become succesfull engineers (I went to an engineering school) to play WoW/Everquest/Counterstrike 15 hours a day. For every guy like this who makes a career out of gaming there are hundreds of thousands who give up their careers because they spend too much time playing video games.

    Spending the enourmous amount of time required to be good at video games is a worse investment than a lottery ticket. Lottery tickets have had more winners, require less time investment, and the payoff is a lot bigger than 250 grand.

    Yes, I realize that a lot of people play video games for fun and moderate their time spent well. But dont we all know people who play endlessly because they want to be the best on their server or be in a clan that wins a lot of tournaments?
  • by Khyber (864651) <khyberkitsune@gmail.com> on Thursday October 12 2006, @12:07AM (#16404433) Journal
    "When they're playing well, pros might bring home a few grand a month."

    Hell yea, where's the Enemy Territory tourneys with the money? C'mon guys, don't neglect good and free for everyone games! Let's see who rocks the free-world for the most cash!
  • How sad (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nlawalker (804108) on Thursday October 12 2006, @12:10AM (#16404447)
    It seems a shame to take a recreational activity that you love and make it your sole source of income.

    Yes, I do believe you can love your work. But this guy took a thing that he truly loved that *wasn't* work and *made it* his work. Playing games for a living sounds great, but anything loses its luster once you are chained to it if you want to eat and have a place to live.

    For all you gamers, think of how excited you are when a new blockbuster game comes out and you can't wait to get your hands on it. Now take that feeling and completely invert it, and I think that that about approximates what this guy must feel when that happens. "Oh man, a new game... guess I better start getting good at this one too. Back to ten hours of practice a day."
    • Yeah it's disgraceful that his job is actually something he enjoys. It'd be better if he cleaned toilets or something so gaming would keep its 'luster'.
  • by istartedi (132515) on Thursday October 12 2006, @12:25AM (#16404511) Journal

    What would TV coverage of this look like? You can't just have a shot of the screen, but if you cut back and forth you miss screen action. They probably have to edit together a lot of highlights. I can't imagine this would be very entertaining to watch on live TV... ok, some stuff like one-on-one fighting games might play well... it would be like boxing without the chance of actual injury. Yes, I guess this could be watchable if done right. The missing element is that you aren't watching your friends get beat, or beating your friends, or well... gaming. Robot wars was OK TV because most of us don't have the time, money or skill to make a decent fighting bot. Everyone can game. When I was a kid and was totally game crazy, the time I spent having to just *watch* was pure agony. Gimme the joystick!!! How many kids these days get their only daily exercise fighting their siblings for the controller? You're going to take gaming and make it totally passive? Those kids are going to explode, leaving nasty bits of fat all over the walls. Hey... that'd be a cool effect in a game.

  • by Aqua OS X (458522) on Thursday October 12 2006, @01:22AM (#16404747) Homepage
    "like Michael Jordan was born to play basketball. I feel like I was born to play video games." ... and to use that as an excuse to compare myself to Michael Jordan.
  • by Jack9 (11421) <.moc.rehcaet. .ta. .9kcaJ.> on Thursday October 12 2006, @01:23AM (#16404757)
    More people won MORE money playing the lottery. This type of sensationalist stuff doesn't interest most people but it keeps making headlines on /. ?
  • by Durzel (137902) on Thursday October 12 2006, @03:30AM (#16405321) Homepage
    I can't think of many worse (in terms of sustainable income) jobs in the World than this to be honest.

    For a start you're competing against millions of people who don't require any technical qualification to compete with you. Besides gaining knowledge on a subject most people go to College & University to set themselves aside from the pack, to make themselves look more attractive to employers. With pro-gaming you haven't got any of this, the only barrier to entry is sufficiently fast reflexes, a little intelligence and a competent PC.

    This person is going to be a target for the rest of his playing career. The guy below him is gonna be aiming to usurp him to get his sponsorship, not to mention thousands upon thousands of upstarts actively seeking to relegate him to obscurity.

    It's also the sort of industry where unless you are in the Top 10 or so players for an extended period of time you're anonymous. It's not like being a professional footballer where even if you're in the lower divisions you're still making enough money to live on. This guy has to realise that there are thousands of people below him who are making no real money to speak of just waiting for him to slip up.

    No one really knows the terms of this $250,000 contract - whether he's actually been given this amount of money or whether that's essentially his "valuation" in pro-gaming terms, but if I were him I would invest all of it and work on the principal that his career could just fizzle out in a couple of years or so.
    • by 0123456 (636235) on Thursday October 12 2006, @06:50AM (#16406231)
      "Besides gaining knowledge on a subject most people go to College & University to set themselves aside from the pack, to make themselves look more attractive to employers."

      But almost everyone has a degree these days, so if you want to 'set yourself aside from the pack', you shouldn't be wasting your time at university.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2006, @12:08AM (#16404437)
        How dare you slander good name Scientology! Not even capitalize Scientology! You free fair game now buddy junior. We suck you brains out with super power, sue you all you money, and bump rudely into you whilst in street! Maybe even in that order! Bet you sorry now!
    • People want to watch and sponsor people playing games. They don't want to watch or sponsor people writing games. This is a very simple concept.
    • by bunions (970377) on Thursday October 12 2006, @01:12AM (#16404689)
      That doesn't really explain why John Carmack lost his Ferarri. I mean, unless JC was confused about what he was thinking at the time. Lord knows it happens to the best of us.