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Former Supreme Court Justice Switches to Video Games

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:53 PM
from the awkward-segues dept.
TechDirt is reporting that former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor has moved into the one industry that I don't think anyone might have expected, video games. Not only did she speak at a recent gaming conference, she is also working on creating a video game about the courts. "There have been many similar 'civic education' video games out there, like the UN video game to teach kids about world hunger and, my personal favorite, a video game to teach kids how to gerrymander voting districts to get political support. It's not clear how successful any of these sorts of games really are, but it's nice to see a former Supreme Court Justice taking an interest in these sorts of things. Though, some might point out that this could be seen as something of a gimmick, and students might just be better served by adding a decent civics curriculum back into school (it's apparently gone thanks to No Child Left Behind)."
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  • Dear next president, please kill that program on your first day.

    Thank you.
    • I only know Obama's stance on NCLB (haven't looked into McCain's) -- he plans on "rescuing" it by cutting NASA's budget. So... if you want NCLB gone (and I certainly do), then Obama isn't your guy. McCain may not be, either, but so far I haven't heard anything about it from him and his plan certainly can't be *worse.* Still, it's far from the only issue out there.
      • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

        Clarification:
        He is cutting the severely underfunded Man to mars mission, not the entire budget.

        Well, by 'fix it' he is effectively getting rid of it.
        To be frank, I was being a little flip. If they fix the problems with it, that would be good. It would also be the same in name only.

        McCain's view is the same as Bush's. Vouchers, Privitazation, etc...
            • by KutuluWare (791333) <kutulu@kutu[ ]org ['lu.' in gap]> on Thursday June 05 2008, @02:13PM (#23672327) Homepage
              Legalize highly explosive fireworks and wait a month?
            • by drsmithy (35869) <drsmithyNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday June 05 2008, @02:48PM (#23672907)

              Describe in a thousand words or less how you accomplish that without facism. [wikipedia.org]

              1. Remove all government fiscal incentives (direct and indirect) for having children.
              2. Thorough and compulsory sex education.
              3. Free contraceptives.

                  • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                    That won't happen in a million years. Americans are split evenly on abortion, but, nearly unanimously would prefer that the morons that get themselves pregnant take care of their own problems.

                    I fail to see how "taking care of their own problems" excludes abortion.

                    Regardless, the GP didn't ask for a solution that would be politically acceptable in the United States of Jesusland, he asked for a way to do it without resorting to fascism (which I assumed was being used in the colloquial "oppressive governmen

    • I'm not sure anyone understands the program, or the issues here. Enforcing common standards is a good thing, and yet it blamed universally when anything outside the standards isn't taught any more.

      I think it is possible to teach crucial curriculum and still find time for other classes. The problem is that teachers have little to no control over children in an overly litigious society of hyper-sensitive parents.

      And more often than not, you either have both parents working, or a single parent household, where the parent may not connect with their child enough. So when a teacher attempts to tell a parent of their child's failing, they don't want to believe it.

      We have developed this society where teachers are terrified of instilling discipline (I'm not talking about hitting kids, but rather just instilling order) so that children don't feel the need to take education seriously.

      Our countries in the world manage to pull off superior public education programs, not necessarily because of funding, but I believe because of cultural differences in which education is taken far more seriously.

      Universally blaiming "No Child Left Behind" isn't actually addressing the issues of what's seriously wrong. Conversely, I think the the concept of NCLB is a very good one. We spend more money on education. We attempt to raise the bar of public education, and hold states accountable for poor results.

      There is a great disparity between what a child in rural Alabama, a child inner-city New York, and another say here in Omaha (my town) receives in education. Individual states and school districts should have freedom and flexibility in determining their curriculum, but having a bare-minimum standard of education all American children should be given is a GOOD THING.

      If you want to see what's really wrong with public education, don't blame a politician for spending more money on education. Read some Jonathon Kozol.

      http://books.google.com/books?as_auth=Jonathan+Kozol&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=author-navigational&hl=en [google.com]
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Wish my mod points hadn't just expired, you'd be getting one.

        My wife works in special-ed which has an even higher tendency to be litigious than general-ed courses do.

        It is amazing how many parents immediately place blame on teachers for their child not doing well in a class. In many cases it may well be a case of a student and teacher not connecting at some level but jumping directly into "it's the teachers fault" versus trying to find a solution doesn't help and just puts teachers and parents more at odds.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        As a recent high school graduate (2006) I was in high school during NCLB. I do not see the program as having destroyed any meaningful civic curriculum because there never really was one to begin with. Sure the government and history teachers present the material, but as Enderandrew mentioned the parents can't stand to see a child failing or even falling short of perfection. This leads to great pressure on the teachers from parents and the school to pass all the students and inflate grades. The only thin
      • There is a problem in that the Federal government has no mandate to enforce common standards in education. But lets say the states allowed the Federal government that power, and I agree this might be a good thing to do for some under performing schools. I also agree blaming NCLB isn't addressing some of the serious problems. But by the same token, NCLB itself doesn't address the serious problems, and in its implementation is a hindrance to effective education.

        I don't see the evidence that the litigious
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          You bring up a very good point that I was thinking about earlier. The federal government has no real authority to do I'd say 75% of the things it does given a strict interpretation of the Constitution, yet citizens expect and demand a good deal of services from the Federal Government.

          I could suggest that democracy in action has yielded a good deal amount of power, even if it wasn't implicitly stated, so that the federal government do more.

          Does the government have the right? Arguably no. Should they howev
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yeah, because there weren't any schools failing before that law passed, and states don't have a choice whether to participate.

      Perhaps it doesn't work. Fine. What would you have the government do?

      I'll start: abolish the Dept. of Education and get the Feds out of the schools. Period.

      Don't like that? What's your idea? Don't have one? Then STFU.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        That won't work.
        The current administration tends to demand things, but not provide funding. Then when it fails, they start talking about privatization.

        Don't get me wrong, education for all children are critical to the health of the long term existence of any country.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            I'll give you the benefit of doubt on this one, but at the same time, look at how the money was spent by the school systems.

            Here, we have a jr. high that has roof leaks because one wall of an entire wing was built over a sink-hole:
            the foundation sinks>the wall tries to fall over to the outside (crack in attached wall goes from 1/2" at floor to 14-22" at roof/decking depending on time of year)>when it rains, water runs in a sheet down the wall>stresses roofing>multiple leaks form at every roof ju
            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              It's quite amuzing chatting with all the Indian H1-Bs that I works with: their uniform opinion is that they need to return to India before their kids reach school age, so that their kids can focus on education instead of sports in school. Yes, emerging economies mock our school system, and rightly so.
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          Not only does it force teachers to teach the test, with budget penalties etc etc, if a student fails his or her EoG test twice, they get promoted to the next grade anyway. No child is left behind, because they eventually get promoted whether they pass the tests or not. Its fucking brilliant.
          • by 0111 1110 (518466) on Thursday June 05 2008, @02:52PM (#23672975)
            I have recently had the opportunity to get to know a child who is so dumb that I regard him as basically unteachable. I seriously don't see the point of trying to educate him to do anything more intellectual than janitorial work or "fries with that?" kind of work. I'm tired of all the blame being left at the feet of the poor teachers trying to educate these idiots who clearly hate studying and thinking. Let them just go out and play sports or play in traffic or whatever. They are only going to very negatively contribute to the gene pool. So, yes, "leaving them behind" is definitely what we should be doing. Otherwise the smart kids whose brains are actually able to accomplish something useful will be the ones "left behind".

            Rather than focus on the dumb people (say because they represent the majority of voters), we should be mandating some basic IQ and/or knowledge testing before we even allow a child to progress to the next grade. And I'm not talking about weeding out only those who are both mentally retarded AND lazy. We should be weeding out something like the bottom 30% of the curve entirely from intellectual pursuits. What's the point? They will never be succesful at it anyway. If they suddenly "get smart" at some later point they can always test themselves back onto one of the intellectual tracks. We should make staying in school something that is challenging and requires lots of work for the average person. The square peg in round hole kiddies should be derailed onto less intellectually challenging pursuits like the building trades or sewing or cooking. We should be making an effort to train people at something they might actually be useful at rather than just assuming every kid is some kind of budding genius. What we are doing now is our own kind of square peg to round hole fitting. It's not going to work no matter how much we wish it would.
            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              As a high-school teacher I just don't know where I stand on this issue. I have taught kids who do learn, and progress, in my class that really did have some sort of problem, and were quite behind the rest of the class. Nonetheless, with my help they refined, and improved upon, what they gave me - and all I know is that I don't have a crystal ball, so I really don't know where their progress will end.

              On the other side of the spectrum are the ones born who really are borderline retarded (and I'm serious in
              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                Every time someone presents a reasoned argument to change an existing status quo, why does someone have to trot out the 'slippery slope' argument? I'm not a U.S. citizen and don't really want to comment on it, but the No Child Left Behind act is incredibly harmful to any intelligent kids imho, based on what I've read about it (mind you, this is mostly /. comments).

                The GP was suggesting that people with no/little aptitude for thinking aren't steered into professions that require a lot of it. I certainly thin
                • by MasaMuneCyrus (779918) on Friday June 06 2008, @03:19AM (#23679461)
                  No Child Left Behind is very harmful to intelligent kids. When I was in middle school, I learnt close to nothing and the only thing that was widely regarded was improvement, not achievement. At the end of the year, the school always handed out awards to exemplary students, and there were maybe 10 awards for various kinds of improvement, and then maybe one award for achievements or grades.

                  Having been home schooled until second grade, we finally decided to quit school and begin homeschooling again after 7th grade. This is when I was 12. At 13, we found that IUPUI (Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis) offered a program called SPAN [iupui.edu], which basically allows you to take any college course for both college credit and equivalent high school credit. And since college work is much harder than high school work, they're sometimes worth more credits, too. In other words, I was able to completely replace all of my public middle school and high school, and all of my home schooling with full-time college. Doing so, I entered college at the age of 13.

                  IUPUI isn't the only college doing this, though. America has many of the best colleges and universities in the world, and its public school system is among the worst (down near the likes of Mexico last I saw a report on it, and that was years ago when schools were better). The universities here are increasingly growing weary of having to teach freshman what they used to learn in high school. Universities now love home schoolers because they have a much better education, and they are usually more disciplined and ready for college than their public school counter-parts.

                  The American school system is steadily moving towards a point where if you want your child to attend college, you can't enroll them in a public school.
        • by qbzzt (11136) on Thursday June 05 2008, @01:27PM (#23671689)
          It was only unfunded in comparative terms. The federal government is not allowed to mess with education. They get around this by paying school districts to do something.

          Before NCLB the federal government has some requirements to give money. NCLB changed those requirements, without allocating more money. School districts are allowed to tell the DoE to take their money, take their standards, and stuff them both into the same shredder.

          We, as voters for each school district, have decided not to do so. We want our federal education subsidies.
          • by StopKoolaidPoliticsT (1010439) on Thursday June 05 2008, @03:46PM (#23673925)

            No Child Left Behind was a far-right pendulum swingin the ongoing battle over whether the purpose of public education is to train people to function as workers or to lead better lives.
            As proven by the fact that the bill was largely written by that ultra right neo-con Ted Kennedy. To quote him, "The tragedy is that these long overdue reforms are finally in place, but the funds are not." In other words, he was happy with the policy but not the amount of funding.

            Sure, it was part of GWB's 2000 election platform, but after taking office, he decided to extend an olive branch to the other party and let Kennedy focus on one of his pet issues in an attempt to ease the partisan fighting in DC. But we'll leave the Senior Senator from Massachussets out of it as we rewrite history to prove yet again that only Republicans are evil.
  • by TubeSteak (669689) on Thursday June 05 2008, @12:56PM (#23671155) Journal
    This game will teach generations of children how to get away with murder!
    Jack Thompson, save us from this calamity!
  • by xPsi (851544) * on Thursday June 05 2008, @12:57PM (#23671169)
    should be well suited for this genre for all the obvious reasons (not to mention crucial ragdoll effects for the Marionette Hordes and Lobbyists, Zero-Point Energy Field Manipulator for realistic simulation of the dissenting opinion, etc.)
  • by DeanCubed (814869) on Thursday June 05 2008, @12:58PM (#23671187)
    Coming soon to your DS - a brand new game from Capcom. Now you too can experience what it's like to hear appeal after appeal on Bush administration pet projects. Over 700 hours of game time with our new RealPaperwork Engine! Unlockable characters like Sandra Day O'Connor and Stephen Colbert! No objections to that!
  • Jack Thompson (maybe more of a mini-boss... like it'd be that hard to beat this guy)

    Jack McCoy (now we're talking)
  • by antifoidulus (807088) on Thursday June 05 2008, @12:59PM (#23671203) Homepage Journal
    Please, Please, PLEASE do not come out with a "Sandra Day O'Conner" nude hack!
  • How awesome would a Judge Judy video game be? You can take all the criminals from other videos and put them in her court!!!
        • It is very popular with women BECAUSE of her feminist slant. Whenever it is a man versus a woman on her show, the woman is usually the kind of person that the audience can relate to, and she always wins.
  • I can see it now. Milton Bradley will name it, "He Who Has The Most Money Wins"
  • by D Ninja (825055) on Thursday June 05 2008, @12:59PM (#23671217)

    ...and, my personal favorite, a video game to teach kids how to gerrymander voting districts to get political support.
    OMG! That game is so freaken awesome! I love redistricting constituency boundaries in order to get an electoral advantage!!!
  • too bad the folks at Capcom already beat them to it. [wikipedia.org]
  • You don't have to RTFA, because TFS is virtually identical to TFA.
  • I was thinking, "Lamest game EVER", and then I thought a bit more about how it could be, and maybe framed it in terms of an RPG where you start off with a character who is a new lawyer, and you get to choose career paths, and how the courtroom scenes could be a kind of mini-game where your arguments convince the jury.

    You could have stats like "knowledge" which would allow you to more accurately cite precedent to derail your opponent, and "oratory" to baffle with BS...

    As you continue through your career you'
  • by Trojan35 (910785) on Thursday June 05 2008, @01:04PM (#23671317)
    http://www.redistrictinggame.com/ [redistrictinggame.com]

    Try it out.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      For those of you who haven't played the game, here's a brief description:

      You are given a map (n by m grid). Each square has a number of democratic, republican and udecided voters. The total number of voters and their distribution across parties varies from square to square. The map is divided into four connected regions.

      Mission 1: change the division such that each region contains between 640K and 650K voters. Fairly easy.

      Mission 2: change the division, such that the above constraint is satisfied, and suc
  • After all, the initials SDO aren't taken yet.
  • Considering Sandra Day O'Connor's direct hand in subverting democracy, will there there be a bonus level for executing a bloodless coup by judicial fiat?
  • ... The final level is completed by fixing a presidential election, and then trekking through the Forest of Intelligent design to kill the Roe v. Wade Boss.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      When O'Connor voted to tell Florida in 2000 it couldn't recount only some of its ballots
      Fixed.
            • I wonder how many stories of Republican political crimes I could drag up, if I were to reach back a half century, before practically everyone on Slashdot, or their parents even, were even born.

              Um, Clinton? There you go. You don't have to go back a half century. Hell, I thought it was vogue to dig up the Clintons' dirty laundry now that it supports the golden boy, even though it's the same damned laundry the Dems spent 10 years discounting when they were in office.

              Hey, Lincoln was a Republican, and he