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from the quick-get-some-of-those-mii-things dept.
from the quick-get-some-of-those-mii-things dept.
Today, Microsoft launched the New Xbox Experience for Xbox Live. The list of new features includes the streaming of TV shows and movies through Netflix, the ability to install games to the HDD, an avatar system, and the Community Games platform. The launch itself was shaky at first, but most issues have been smoothed out. Sony-owned Columbia Pictures immediately pulled their movie selection, though it may return when a licensing deal gets worked out. Halo 3 developer Bungie pointed out that not all games will run faster when installed to a HDD because of the way the games already interact with the drive.
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Duplicity: theres already a "utility parition" (Score:4, Informative)
It seems games already use the HD, if exist:
"In a post on the Bungie forums, engineer Mat Noguchi explains that the slower loading after a full HDD install is a direct result of how the game was designed to use the HDD in the first place. "When Halo 3 runs, if a HDD is present, we copy maps from the DVD to the utility partition on the HDD," says Noguchi. "And as a result, it means that even if Halo 3 is already installed to the HDD, it will still copy maps to the utility partition."
The problem is games that still try to use the harddisk ....again. For a PC game, this looks like really easy fix, but I have no idea for a console, as a console is locked down hardware ..for the user and the game dev.. I don't know.
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Re:Duplicity: theres already a "utility parition" (Score:5, Informative)
That improvement alone is worth it for me. Has anyone tried installing GTA4 to the HD? That's a game that might have a significant improvement in performance.
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Re:Duplicity: theres already a "utility parition" (Score:4, Interesting)
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defectivebydesign (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm so sick of this tag showing up under each microsoft article.
we're at 3 comments posted, and already the tag exists.
either installed by an alliance of hardcore slashdotters, or by the admins themselves.
the preferences bug prevents hiding tags. it feeds the conspiracy theorist in me.
either way, it smacks of the behaviour politicians employ just before losing an election.
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Re:defectivebydesign (Score:4, Insightful)
"Defective by design" is one of the phrases the FSF uses to describe DRM. The Xbox 360 has DRM, there's no question about that. You can't just copy a game using a DVD burner and play it even if you own a copy of the game. It makes backing up your games (and yes with a bunch of drunk frat boys, it makes sense to not have to sink $60 into another copy of the game because someone got drunk and played Frisbee with it) impossible without modifying your console. If you modify your console, however, Microsoft has said that they will ban you because they assume that you will be playing "pirated" games or are cheating on Xbox Live.
While the NXE helps a little in this regard (you can copy games to the hard drive), it also doesn't completely solve the problem (you need to have the original game in the drive to start the game).
Don't even get me started on the Xbox Live Marketplace.
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Re:defectivebydesign (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:defectivebydesign (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, but no game console in history has allowed you to do that, so it would be hard to argue it as being "defective". I mean, a Model T didn't have seatbelts, does that make it "defective by design?"
Maybe when talking about the Xbox 360 they should make the tag "lacking-a-feature-I-would-like-to-have-by-design." Not as catchy though.
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New features rock. (Score:5, Insightful)
I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Informative)
I'm slightly embarassed to say it, but I really like the update.
I love the streaming videos more than I probably should. In fact, I'm going to say I love it for the exact reasons I play games on the console rather than the PC in the first place: I don't like messing around with the PC settings at all when I'm trying to entertain myself. The netflix streaming videos didn't work instantly on my PC and I never bothered with it again, on the console it worked immediately. Call that laziness if you want, I'll just turn around and call you something else.
I was entertained for about 10 minutes with making an avatar even though it was a blatant ripoff of the wii and somehow cheesier.
The running games on the hard drive on the other hand was a letdown, as Halo immediately told me I should not be running the game off the HDD. For offline games it still sounds like a good thing, as the disc drive on those things crap out frequently.
The new menu is really a tossup and not that important either way.
Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Informative)
Pros:
+Netflix streaming video works like a charm.
+Avatars have potential and are reasonably customizable, very similar to the Mii.
+It's great to see the party system extended beyond COD4 / Halo 3.
+Playing from HDD instead of from CD will certainly cut down on wear & tear.
+In-game dashboard is much nicer.
Cons:
-We've gone from 5 tabs to 50+ screens. It's crap.
-The menu defaults to the "showcase" channel, which advertises Microsoft's newest games. This means that Microsoft, not content with getting us to pay $300+ for a console and $50 / year for Live, feels the need to advertise to us every time we go to the dashboard.
-Old themes port very poorly, stretched across the background in awkward ways.
-Many links to premium content have been pushed to the front page.
-"Autodownload" feature for the Arcade releases is gone.
-Haven't fixed the glaring file management bugs - it's not possible to do something like, say, delete 150 old Oblivion saves to reclaim disk space while keeping 5 of them without pressing 4 buttons for each individual savegame. Not a problem until you realize they're over a megabyte apiece, and on a 20gb hard disk this adds up fast.
On the whole I hate it. The ui is completely cluttered now, but the defaulting to advertisements behavior and the up-front sells for premium content are a dealbreaker. I'm changing my 360's default behavior to "boot what's in the drive" from "default to dashboard" and I'm never looking back.
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Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Informative)
Cons:
-The menu defaults to the "showcase" channel, which advertises Microsoft's newest games. This means that Microsoft, not content with getting us to pay $300+ for a console and $50 / year for Live, feels the need to advertise to us every time we go to the dashboard.
Exactly what I thought, until I realised that to start a game, the button presses have gone from something like "down-down-down-down-down A" to "up A". Ok, not a huge difference, but it all feels so much smoother - *and* it either logs you into Live earlier, or it doesn't reset the menus when it logs you in, which changes it from "down-down-down-down dammit down-down-down-down-down A" to "up A".
Or have I lost you all? ;-)
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Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Informative)
The showcase channel can be switched off. I did that soon after not making an avatard.
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Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Informative)
No, that's the "welcome" channel, two completely different things.
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I'm with you on that one. What's more, previously the dash used to be cluttered with ads everywhere, now they're all in one section that can be much more easily ignored. Sure, it's annoying that it's the default section, but it's a small price to pay and a much better way of integrating adverts, if you ask me. Plus it seems to be the only way to advertise new features, like the photo sharing app - I actually went looking for it before it appeared there and it must have taken me a good 15mins just to find wh
Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Insightful)
+It's great to see the party system extended beyond COD4 / Halo 3.
The party system always did extend beyond these games (to most games in fact). The party system in NXE is different. You can be in a party with some friends, but doing different things (playing a game, watching a movie, etc). You can switch to the party channel if you wish to only communicate with people in your party, or the game channel if you want to chat with the people you're playing with. So if you want to play COD4 but you're tired of dealing with obnoxious gamers, you can first start a party with your friends, and then play COD4, and stay on the party channel -- no need to deal with obnoxious ppl. Same for any game, in NXE now.
-We've gone from 5 tabs to 50+ screens. It's crap.
Why compare tabs to screens? We've gone from 5 tabs to 6 channels. Panning left/right in a channel is like scrolling up/down in a tab.
-The menu defaults to the "showcase" channel, which advertises Microsoft's newest games. This means that Microsoft, not content with getting us to pay $300+ for a console and $50 / year for Live, feels the need to advertise to us every time we go to the dashboard.
Turn off the Showcase channel :). It's in the settings somewhere.
-Old themes port very poorly, stretched across the background in awkward ways.
Hrm.. I didn't have that experience. I did see the wallpapers being obscured below the horizon (no idea what the correct term is) though. Considering the magnitude of the upgrade, I'm hardly concerned about this though. I do agree it's irritating if you've actually purchased a theme, for it to not be as pervasive as it was earlier.
-Haven't fixed the glaring file management bugs - it's not possible to do something like, say, delete 150 old Oblivion saves to reclaim disk space while keeping 5 of them without pressing 4 buttons for each individual savegame. Not a problem until you realize they're over a megabyte apiece, and on a 20gb hard disk this adds up fast.
Sounds like an issue with Oblivion rather than NXE. If Oblivion allows you to create so many game saves, Oblivion should offer a good UI for cleaning up it's junk.
On the whole I hate it.
I'm so surprised that anyone can actually hate it! The old blades are just one button away at all times, and they've not lost any functionality, and they've only gotten zippier. And it doesn't have ads. So you have everything you want, a single button away, and wonderful eye candy on the other hand (you gotta admit it -- NXE is gorgeous). Best of both worlds! Not to mention, the sight of a bunch of avatars standing in a group (because they're in a party) is pretty cool. Very cool that you can just click on that group to see party options. And that for people who you game with regularly online you'll actually be able to recognize the avatars at a glance and get an idea of who's in the party -- rather than having to read a dry spreadsheet-looking list of friends. And from the cover-art, you know what the party is doing too. Super-cool.
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Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds like an issue with Oblivion rather than NXE. If Oblivion allows you to create so many game saves, Oblivion should offer a good UI for cleaning up it's junk.
That's like saying it's the responsibility of any application on your PC to do file management. You'd have to learn Adobe's menus for cleaning up Adobe files, Microsoft Office's methods for managing your word docs and Visual Studio's methods for managing project files...
It's up to the OS to allow you to clean up files if you need to, not each individual application.
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Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:I love it but feel stupid for doing so (Score:5, Insightful)
No, you've gone from 5 tabs to 5 main menu items, it's only that instead of going left to right it goes up and down.
Are you new to 360's in general? The OXE was cluttered with advertisements in more traditional form, banner ads. And I'm pretty sure the default menu item was the game I had in my DVD drive when I turned it on from a fresh start last night.
Paid themes were for suckers anyway, they usually looked awful even in the old system. Is the NXE not a new enough theme for you?
I might be mad except for the fact that one of my biggest issues with the old system, the way it loaded the list of arcade games you had installed, has in fact been 100% fixed. Personally, I play my games far more often than I delete saves, so I can understand if their engineers put priority on different things (and avoid playing awful games like Oblivion period).
Overall, I'm a huge fan of the NXE because it makes the interface a good deal more responsive. The old blade system seemed to always be one or two steps behind you and I was never a big fan of its stylings, and now it feels quite polished and slick.
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Thae marketplace is now ACTUALLY usable (Score:5, Informative)
Honestly, browsing to find DLC is now easy as you don't have to scroll through every game to find the game that you want, you just click on the letter then find the game. That, to me, is by far the NXE's best feature.
I hated it. (Score:5, Informative)
But I have to admit after 30mins or so of playing around, getting used to where everything had moved to and customising it it's growing on me.
The party system is a nice touch, being able to join a group voice chat with a bunch of friends then taking that group into whatever game you all decide to play is pretty cool. You can make parties private or public with the latter allowing you to jump into an existing party on your friends list, see what they're doing and join a game they may be playing.
Community games wasn't working right for me last night, but what I saw looked decent.
There's a few minor changes people have wanted for a while such as being able to remove zero achievement games such as trials you never went on to buy or games that turned out to be crap that would previously just clutter your achievements/played games list.
The avatar thing isn't bad, although it doesn't really seem to be overly useful yet, apparently the true extent of it's usefulness is still to come. Unfortunately my first attempt at creating an avatar ended up looking like Stalin, and the second like Hitler so I think we need more customization of them, I think this came down to there being a severe lack of shorter hairstyles, apparently Microsoft think 99% of the population have pony tails or just generally long hair whether male or female. Still I did come out with an avatar that looked fairly normal at the end of it but unfortunately as my friend pointed out you can't in fact have green skin.
It's certainly more responsive, some people complaining that now only one of the theme pics you bought gets used rather than one per blade and you can't choose which. I can see why this would be annoying for anyone that paid for a theme but also I can't help but snigger to myself that they were foolish enough to spend money on a theme in the first place.
Old gamerpics can still be used contrary to popular belief, you just have to change back to them after creating your avatar.
So right now to sum up, it's certainly not groundbreaking and it definitely doesn't do anything to make the experience worse. All the useful new features are nice, but nothing that couldn't have come in with the old dashboard whilst all the not-so useful new features such as avatar makes interesting fluff at least if nothing else. Effectively I think it's an attempt to reach out to female and casual gamers with this sort of stuff and the games that will use avatars which is fair enough and it doesn't really infringe on their hardcore gamer userbase either- they will at least appreciate the party system and just jump into game without ever really using the dashboard much. So yeah, good but not in any way groundbreaking, at least yet anyhow, maybe some of the up and coming avatar related stuff will be as cool as Microsoft are telling us or maybe it simply wont. As long as they don't try and make me run round with my avatar in Gears of War 2 or whatever I'll be happy!
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Are you kidding? I would LOVE running around as bad-ass Marcus Fenix and blasting the crap out of all the whimpy new avatar-people. I would laugh all the way to hell :)
I've only played with the dashboard for half an hour, but I like it overall. It's fast, responsive and looks so much better than bland, 2D cardboard slides being pushed around on my screen.
The first thing I did was use the new "install game to harddrive" feature. Since I only have the 20GB harddrive, installing Gears of War 2 pretty much took
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Right, next time a new version of Linux/Windows/MacOS comes out that you upgrade do, DON'T spend time looking around the interface or playing with the new features - take up a new profession, instead!
Great Update (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps Microsoft could let Apple know what their accountants are doing that Apple's cant figure out.
Re:Great Update (Score:5, Informative)
Microsoft does give a lot more away.
A more direct comparison would be Zune updates.
Someone who bought the first Zune has all of the functionality of the current Zunes...because the updates are free.
How much does each OS X update cost - vs. a Windows update/service pack?
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Can't get it (Score:3, Informative)
I know, I know, I can just buy a bigger card or HDD... but it just bugs me that a) the update doesn't write over the existing front end, and b) Microsoft has known the release date for this for a long time, but still sold the Arcade with inadequate storage.
...yes you can (Score:5, Informative)
Dude, Microsoft has been offering free memory cards and cheap hard drives to folks just like you: http://www.xboxstorageupgrade.com/ [xboxstorageupgrade.com] ... If your system's serial #/console id check out as "arcade," then MS will offer you a 20GB hard drive and 3 months of XBL Gold for $30. Not free, but not shabby, either.
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Re:Can't get it (Score:4, Interesting)
As a matter of fact, it does. The update comes in two parts - an 8Mb dash update and a 128Mb "content" update. The "content" update contains little more than the Avatars as far as I can tell, the dash update (which requires no extra space) contains everything else, including the interface. You can get by just fine with just this, but you wont be able to connect to live. Considering you only had 256Mb of storage, live was clearly never a priority to you, anyway.
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Re:Can't get it (Score:5, Informative)
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I just got done making my new Mii (Score:3, Informative)
Everyone says they "stole" the whole Mii concept from Nintendo, but Nintendo hardly invented the idea of a customizable avatar for interacting with the world. I was disappointed at the absence of a Vault-tec jumpsuit (or any set of overalls I could pretend was a Vault-tec jumpsuit) in the outfit section. I guess I'll have to buy one if I want it that badly. Also, clothes lack customizable colour as far as I can see. If you choose a shirt, and it happens to be red, you can't just change it to blue, you have to choose a blue shirt.
Re:I just got done making my new Mii (Score:5, Interesting)
No, Nintendo wasn't the first to use avatars. However, the ones they did make were fairly unique looking. Now Microsoft's look almost identical to them. If that's not ripping off the Mii, then I don't know what is.
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sound missing over hdmi (Score:4, Informative)
I hate it (Score:4, Interesting)
I applied the update yesterday, even though I wasn't wild about the screenshots I had seen so far. The announcements by Microsoft did however promise I could still use the old blade interface if I wanted, so I thought: why not give it a try?
The install went fairly smoothly, taking only a few minutes. Then I had to create an avatar *ugh*, this was my first turn-off. I've never been a fan of avatar systems, but if they're going to make it mandatory they could at least have thrown in some models that don't look childish and cartoonish. So I just selected some random character, hoping I could switch it off later.
Then I played around with the interface. It is fairly easy to figure out, and I could quickly find most functions I was looking for, however I couldn't help but think that the blade interface felt simpler, more intuitive and more mature. In the blade system, if you were looking for something, you just had to select the right tab and everything was available from there. In the new system, you have to navigate in 2 "dimensions", first select the right channel, then look for the right tab, then go into the tab. The blade system also made better use of screen real estate. A lot of screen space is wasted now because they chose to work with some kind of 3D representation.
After using it for a while other things started to annoy me. I find the color scheme rather ugly for instance. It's all dull grey or migraine inducing green and selecting a different theme doesn't seem to change it. The sound effects got on my nerves too, instead of the cool muted *swish* sounds of the old blade system, the new sounds are much more *bling bling* and in your face (I don't know how else to describe it). Then, there's no way to get rid of your avatar. It's not like it does anything useful, it just stands there looking silly and generally being an eyesore.
Then I started looking for new features. Netflix doesn't work outside of the US, so I couldn't use that. The install to HDD option could be handy, but I don't find it essential. The loading times never really bothered me that much anyway, it's having to switch discs when you want to play a different game that bothers me. To my disappointment no new video or audio codecs have been added, so some divx and mp4 files still don't play, there's still no support for 5.1 surround sound in divx files and still no support for subtitles. As a media player, it has not become more useful to me.
So after a few hours of playing around with it, I decided that I didn't like it, and I started looking for the option to revert to the old style interface. Only, there wasn't one! Sure, when you push the big X button a menu pops up that looks remotely like the old blades, but it's not fullscreen and in no way a replacement interface. Now I feel cheated.
My conclusion is that Microsoft spent way too much time and effort trying to invent a completely new interface, which in many ways is worse than the old system, when they could have just offered an upgraded blade system and spent all the time and effort on real features that are actually useful.
Re:I hate it (Score:5, Interesting)
Yesterday, they saw me playing around with the avatar. My wife then wanted to make her own avatar, which led to her getting her own account on my box, which further led to her checking out the arcade and buying a couple of games ("I didn't know they had Pac-Man! Frogger! Whoa!"). My kid, not content with her own account on my box, now wants one for herself for Christmas.
Funny how that silly little system brings in the casual crowd, eh?
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For arcade games, I didn't notice a problem... I just tested again with Doom (which I bought on my account), and I could play the full version from her account with no problems. I've heard of that getting screwy if you buy the game on one hard drive, replace said drive, and redownlo
Re:I hate it (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been in contact with MS support this morning over the dull greens. I'm partially red/green color blind, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to read some of the text on the green squares. Changing theme makes the background work, but I can't seem to figure out how to not have green boxes with white/yellow text. Since that's basically invisible to me (I had my wife read the text for me last night!), the update has rendered the interface unusable for me. :-(
(Thus far, MS support has been apologetic and promised to get back to me -we'll see how it turns out!)
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Re:I hate it (Score:4, Interesting)
You weren't forced to make an Avatar. When I did my update, I wanted to get to test Netflix as quickly as possible, so I just pulled up the guide and exited out of the Avatar builder to the dashboard. Just like before with any other application.
That's not really very obvious is it? I didn't even know you could do that. There was just no obvious way to say "skip avatar creation".
The Avatars may be useless and silly, but really, an "eyesore"? Maybe you should make a better looking one?
You don't get it. I dislike the whole idea of having an avatar (why do I need one?), *and* I don't like the cartoonish cutesy style in which they are implemented, "fisher price" style as someone called it here. There is no way to change that, no matter which hairstyle or sunglasses you put on it. And even if I could make a better looking one it would be like having a better looking Clippy in Office, still pointless ;)
MSFT didn't promise that they were keeping the blades. They specifically said that the NXE was to replace the blade system and that the blades would only be preserved in the Guide system.
Well that's not how I interpreted it. I remember reading an interview by one of the MS guys who said that they were keeping the old interface around because there would always be people who would not dig the new interace.
I'm happy to finally have an OS that's responsive and allows me to scroll through and read descriptions for items quickly. I think you're a bit worked up over the idea of "change" so much that you can't see the improvements.
It's not that I'm worked up about the idea of "change", I just don't like this particular change. I do see the improvements, but they are minor things compared to the things that bug me about the new interface.
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The best new feature: 16:10 (Score:5, Informative)
Sony should be charged with something (Score:4, Insightful)
It can't be right that Sony, a company that makes a competing game console, should also pull the entertainment content from one of the markets because that market allowed a competing game console in as well. This smacks of wrongness though I am sure sure it qualifies as anti-trust, they are certainly linking one completely different product/service offering to another as leverage against a competitor. There is something really broken about Sony's behavior.
Install to HDD (Score:4, Insightful)
That's the best feature in my book, only because it makes the XBox 360 a lot quieter!
Might be a bit faster too, didn't really notice.
Re:it's pants (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:it's pants (Score:4, Informative)
Not to mention that there's now a dedicated "quick launch" option in the new guide so you can quickly get to all your Arcade games from ANYWHERE.
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Re:it's pants (Score:5, Interesting)
After using NXE for a few hours, it was obvious that the entire system is just better. The navigation, the organization, the amount of information displayed....everything is better.
Despite what the first poster said, Arcade games are easier to get to. AND, you can remove demos/zero gamerscore games from your history. Just that alone is worth the download.
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Re:it's pants (Score:5, Funny)
The Blade system worked fine, having played with the new one for a little while I have to say it appear to blow goats, it's not particularly intuitive and it doesn't make brilliant use of screen real estate.
The blade system always looked like a bunch of building blocks for the under fives. From day one it has been cursingly ugly. So, whilst it 'worked fine' I don't think that was quite enough. Not when the competitors' alternative looks and drives like an Aston Martin.
The new system is much more sleek, and appealed to me instantly. I do share your concern about screen real estate, though. Whilst it doesn't cause me any problems, I'm not sure I would be saying that if I was playing on a standard def screen.
I managed to make someone who looks remarkably like myself, which I've never managed on a wii.
So did I, but my wife started to cry, so I changed it to look like someone else. There's a t-shirt for your avatars with the Xbox 'green circle of light' on it. I know this is kind of an obvious comment, but I genuinely looked for the red one to go with it, before realised why it would not be there.
So iconic is that red circle, that I consider its presence to be missing in xbox related merch.
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Are you referring to the Playstation 2 (PS2), or the old IBM system known as the PS/2 ?
If it's the latter as your post suggests, it's not surprising it hardly gets used...
Re:Progress (Score:5, Funny)
Have you seen my name?
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Re:What's after NXE? (Score:4, Funny)
Well it has worked ok for New Coke, and great for New York.
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