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New Video Game Recreates Kennedy Assassination 832

theodp writes "Lee Harvey Oswald-wannabes will be able to simulate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy when Traffic Games releases the $9.99 JFK Reloaded on Monday to coincide with the 41st anniversary of Kennedy's murder in Dallas. 'It is despicable,' said a spokesman for Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy, the late president's brother."
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New Video Game Recreates Kennedy Assassination

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  • by mfh ( 56 )
    This doesn't sound like a fun game to me. I'll have to try it out anyway, but it seems kinda off. I can gun down a million monsters in most enjoyable FPS games. How is putting four bullets in JFK going to bring me *any* satisfaction? Magic bullet, indeed.
    • by ceeam ( 39911 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @03:07AM (#10885927)
      Huh! Imagine when on higher levels there are HUNDREDS! of limos with Kennedies rushing at you! Like in old arcades.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 22, 2004 @03:49AM (#10886090)
      The game is intended as an "interactive reconstruction." The idea is to see how plausible the findings of the Warren Commission are. There's even a contest with a $100,000 prize if you can pull off the shots that Lee Harvey Oswald was supposed to have taken. The simulation is an attempt to be so accurate that you must miss with your first shot in accordance with the assumptions they have made in recreating the events. Read all about it on the FAQ page.

      Historians are always reconstructing the assassination. The Discovery Channel once ran a special where they ran a dummy by in a car and had an expert marksmen sharpshoot at its head as it drove by. It wasn't horrifying; it was supposed to be educational. This game is clearly an attempt to show just how implausible the official explanation for the JFK assassination is. I would love to see if any player actually achieves a high passing score.

      Personal, I find the idea of this fascinating. The angle of "play as assassin and shoot JFK!" was given by Slashdot; that's not the intent. It's more of an academic exercise, and it will be very interesting to take part in this and see if the government's explanation for what happened actually plays out when you try it yourself. There's a reason they have the assassin's floor blocked off in the Assassination Museum--as Bill Hicks said, they didn't want thousands of American tourists going up there each year, pointing out the window, and realizing "There's no fucking way!"

      Of course, all of this publicity is probably more than they could have hoped for. I doubt many people would have known about this sim otherwise.
      • by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @04:37AM (#10886246)
        The problem is that when people try to recreate something like this, they want to assume that what happened was precisely as was intended, and thus you have to recreate everything just as happened for it to be possible. Well, not so much.

        Assuming that the WC's report is true and Oswald was the lone shooter he had one objective: Kill president Kennedy. So, to that end he was firing at the prsident until he was convinced he was dead. Most likely by a visual clue indicating a headshot. The first two shots were misses, as least as far as he was concerned. He wasn't trying to miss, he was trying to hit, however he failed to do so.

        It's not hard ot take two shots and miss and hit with a third one, even at a moving target if you are an experienced marksman. That doesn't mean you can recreate the happenings perfectly. It will happen one way one time, another the next.

        Also, no game can accurately model the physics of what will happen. Realtime physics engines in games are pretty primitive. They can deal with the basics like ragdoll simulation on bodies, falling objects, and simple destructable objects, but any real simulation is FAR beyond what we have.

        Well, to accurately simulate a bullet impact, it takes some serious power. Bullets do NOT act intuitively, espically high power ones. Lots of people forget that the bullets fired were high powered rounds form a Carcano military rifle. Thos act quite differently from a 9mm JHP round. Their penetration is extreme, and you can easily shoot through 3 or more unarmoured people with one. TRying to say that a game can simulate the trajectory of a bullet through a complex structure like the body is just stupid.

        Sounds to me like these people are really doing one of two things:

        1) Trying to play up the consparicy nut angle saying "See, lots of gamers couldn't do it in our (highly invalid) simulation, how could it possibly have happened in rea life?" and thus "prove" their theory.

        2) Make money off said consparicy nuts.

        I see nothing here approaching valid or interesting.
        • by ObitMan ( 550793 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @05:46AM (#10886450) Journal
          I see nothing here approaching valid or interesting.

          you sure were long-winded in replying for it to be not valid or not interesting.
      • by harlows_monkeys ( 106428 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @05:16AM (#10886347) Homepage
        The game is intended as an "interactive reconstruction." The idea is to see how plausible the findings of the Warren Commission are. There's even a contest with a $100,000 prize if you can pull off the shots that Lee Harvey Oswald was supposed to have taken

        Except it's already been done. It was covered on either the History Channel or the Discovery Channel a while ago. They made models out of ballistics gel with pig bones inside, and had a shooter on a crane to get the same angle and distance Oswald had, using the same model gun from the same year, firing the same model bullets. He made the shot, the "wounds" on the ballistics gel model matched the wounds on Kennedy and Connely, and the damage on the bullet was almost identical to that of the so-called "magic bullet".

      • by Phil Karn ( 14620 ) <karn.ka9q@net> on Monday November 22, 2004 @05:43AM (#10886445) Homepage
        This game is clearly an attempt to show just how implausible the official explanation for the JFK assassination is.

        Actually, the authors are trying to show exactly the opposite, that the Warren Commission made perfectly reasonable conclusions. Perhaps you should actually read what the game's authors said before you spout off your tired old conspiracy theories.

        ...they didn't want thousands of American tourists going up there each year, pointing out the window, and realizing "There's no fucking way!"

        Funny, when I visited Dealey Plaza, it seemed so... small. Then I visited the Sixth Floor museum and stood next to that window. That shot was easy! The only mystery is how he actually managed to miss one shot out of three.

        By the way, I've actually read the Warren Commission report. Have you?

      • by CreatureComfort ( 741652 ) * on Monday November 22, 2004 @10:33AM (#10887729)


        As someone who lives in Dallas and has been to the six floor museum several times I can definitively say you are full of B.S.

        The entire six floor is dedicated to a museum covering the event. Until a couple years ago, you could actually crouch down at the window, in the exact position Oswald was in. They had to block that area off (about a 10'x12' area) with glass walls because idiots kept trying to "rearrange" things or "leave momentos" that they had been there. I believe that you can actually still get into the area, you just have to pre-arrange it with the curating staff.

        The six floor museum is actually the best museum on a political subject I have ever seen. I really expected it to be highly biased, one way or another, however, it turns out to be an incredibly unbiased and thorough review of all the credible work that has been done on the assasination, as well as a good, unbiased review of Kennedy's life and presidency. I was overwhelmed the first time I went through with all of the information presented. I've been back 3 times, by myself, just so that I could spend timing examining some of the displays and presentations, rather than rushing through with visiting family and friends from out of town.

        Even if you aren't really interested in museums or the assasination, I would still definate recommend a stop at Dealy Plaza and the museum if you pass through Dallas.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:06AM (#10885551)
    I for one am looking forward to "Chappaquiddick II: The Game"
  • Whats wrong? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ericdano ( 113424 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:06AM (#10885555) Homepage
    What is wrong with it? I see re-creations all the time on the History Channel, Discovery, etc, etc, etc. Why not create a game that lets you do it? It is something that happened. Where is the upcry when you have WWII games happening??
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      • by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:29AM (#10885714)
        The parent comment asked why it was any different from a WWII reenactment game. All three conditions would certainly apply. And there are hordes of WWII games, and there is no uproar.

        This is a historical event, and while all three things are probably true for many recountings of such historical events, I'm not convinced that video games should be treated differently from any other historical account. Certainly the game is there for entertainment, which makes it different from a documentary (for example), but not so different that it isn't still (at least implicitly) a narrative about an important historical event.

        • by k98sven ( 324383 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @03:09AM (#10885935) Journal
          In my opinion there *is* a significant difference.

          1) Tens of millions of people were killed in WWII. The sheer number of deaths depersonalizes the victims. (Unfair as that may be) So you can't compare it. AFAIK most WWII games do not center on specific named individuals either.

          2) Time, WWII was two generations ago, the Kennedy murder was one.

          3) Morality. All but the strongest pacificts would agree that killing another armed man in war is one thing and murdering an unarmed civilian is another. WWII reenactment games usually center on warfare, not the Holocaust, for example.

          I don't see that being a 'historical event' is much of a mitigating factor. So was 9/11, and I think most people would be quite offended if someone were to make a 'hit the twin towers flight simulator'-type game out of it.

          And that would be because of the reasons stated above.
          • by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @04:46AM (#10886261)
            I've got mixed feelings about all this but let me play devil's advocate for a sec:

            1) Tens of millions of people were killed in WWII. The sheer number of deaths depersonalizes the victims. (Unfair as that may be)

            Arguably, a game that desensitizes participants to the slaughter of thousands of faceless combatants is worse from a moral perspective than one that targets a particular individual. In any case, I have seen games that focus on individuals -- Hitler, for example. And again, the Kennedy assassination is an important piece of history -- I think it would be different with say a game that focused on the murder of Joe Blow from Indiana or whatever.

            Time, WWII was two generations ago, the Kennedy murder was one.

            I see the point, but who decides when enough time has passed? There are WWII vets alive today who are probably offended by WWII games. Besides, what about games that depict (and even celebrate) the slaughter of vaguely defined swarthy terrorist-types from the middle east? We have wars going on right now that some games portray (with varying degrees of specificity). I think the real difference is that American culture recognizes one as an "enemy" and it's ok to slaughter enemies.

            3) Morality. All but the strongest pacificts would agree that killing another armed man in war is one thing and murdering an unarmed civilian is another.

            Political assassination, however, is a third case. I think you're right that we shouldn't see games reenacting the gas chambers or Columbine or whatever, but I'm not so sure about an event that involves heads of state (especially when the past 40 years of popular culture have been obsessed with the details of this particular head of state's assassination).

            I don't see that being a 'historical event' is much of a mitigating factor.

            The problem is actually that you do see being a "video game" as a mitigating factor in the other direction. The fact that this is a historical event is important for the same reason that it is OK to write a biography exposing the sexual escapades of a President while it is not OK to write one exposing those of your next door neighbor. As a public official, his death is a matter of public interest and insofar as there has been intense public speculation about the circumstances of it, well, this is just another form of expression for that speculation. I agree with many that this is in poor taste, but I don't think it's beyond the pale, at least no more so than a documentary about the Kennedy assassination.

            So was 9/11, and I think most people would be quite offended if someone were to make a 'hit the twin towers flight simulator'-type game out of it.

            They already did -- some company called Microsoft made it - in 2000. As far as a post-911 game like that being offensive -- I think the bigger problem for many people would be the game's use as a training tool. There is no way this game could be used to train for assassination unless you're planning something in Dealy Plaza. But I don't think there would be as much objection to a post-911 game that simulated the collapse of the WTC or the Pentagon in order to cast doubt on the official story -- some sort of physics simulation of the buildings coming down or the Pentagon collapsing that implies that there is no plane or whatever. That's a more apt analogy.

            Such a simulation would be too "serious" though; I think the real problem people have with this is that it is billed as "entertainment" rather than "education" or "advocacy," but we've got to recognize that many things are both.

    • Re:Whats wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Max Romantschuk ( 132276 ) <max@romantschuk.fi> on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:11AM (#10885589) Homepage
      Where is the upcry when you have WWII games happening??

      Games about WWII: OK.

      Games about shoveling the dead naked bodies of Jews into ovens: Not OK.

      I guess the point is that some things just go beyond what most people think is appropriate/acceptable/good taste.
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        • by Boronx ( 228853 ) <evonreis.mohr-engineering@com> on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:32AM (#10885732) Homepage Journal
          And yet a large minority of the players devote their time to knifing hapless newbs.
        • Re:Whats wrong? (Score:4, Interesting)

          by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:46AM (#10885827)
          I don't play enough video games to know what it is called but I recall a WWII video game where at least part of the time you were an assassin, and you had to kill specific people. You still got shot at by guards and so forth so it wasn't just a massacre, but there were rooms where everyone was unarmed and you could just pick them off.

          I agree that a game portraying Jews thrown in graves would be more offensive but it's also not that far removed from a visit to the Holocaust Museum or the Museum of Tolerance, where the conditions of Jews are recreated in rather direct ways. The difference there of course is that in the museum you play the role of the victim.

          It's an interesting question and I'm not sure where I fall on it but I can't say I'm too offended by this, especially given the explanation someone else posted that the videogamemakers want to prove that the Warren Commission hypothesis is not possible. If that's the case, then there is little question that this is a form of political speech and even historical research, poor taste or no.

    • Re:Whats wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Erwos ( 553607 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:15AM (#10885619)
      Shooting Nazis is generally considered good form, because they're universally regarded as evil personified and with damn good reason. You'll notice that this is the objective of 99.9% of FPS WWII games. Not too many games where you start off as an SS soldier out to kill FDR, some famous Jewish rabbi, etc.

      More to the point, you get _points_ for drilling JFK just so with your rifle. That's pretty tasteless, and for a president who was liked pretty well (so I'm told) by most of the world, you'd think they could stay away from that...

      -Erwos
      • Re:Whats wrong? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Spyffe ( 32976 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:54AM (#10885867) Homepage
        Shooting Nazis is generally considered good form
        The people who got drafted to go fight in Russia or France aren't people I'd be proud of killing. We're not talking about Himmler's Totenkopfeinheiten here; these are humans, many of whom would probably much rather be safe at home than in some foreign country getting shot at.

        I would be more inclined to draw the moral line at the shooting of defenseless people, if I were going to draw one.

    • "What is wrong with it? I see re-creations all the time on the History Channel, Discovery, etc, etc, etc. Why not create a game that lets you do it?"

      The primary difference here is that you are the one doing the "killing." All of a sudden it is interactive and YOU are making the choice to assasinate the President, regardless of the fact that it is still a video game. When watching a documentary about it on the History Channel your motives are hopefully a little better than getting pleasure out of seeing JF
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  • by geminidomino ( 614729 ) * on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:07AM (#10885558) Journal
    Those bastards! AGAIN!

    Seriously, tho, WTF?! Is this a way to commemorate what is reportedly (I wasn't born at the time, so I can't speak for it) a very sad day in US history?

    Or is this just a thinly vieled cover for the "Shrubya" skin that will be showing up on 0-day sites shortly after release?
    • by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:16AM (#10885628) Journal
      Read about the 10,000 - 100,000 USD contest they are running, it appears that they think that no one will be able to make the shots match the Warren Commission Report.

      That may be why they are doing it.
      • I'm quite an excellent sniper in video games. It would be fair to say that any SWAT team and most special forces units would be interested in e if I could shoot like that in real life. Alas one is not the other and my skill with a real gun does not equal my skill with a virual one, it doens't even come close.

        However all in all it's not relivant since a desktop computer can't accurately simulate reality. However they designed this game, they are making shortcut assumptions, simplified physics, and so on. It
  • Well... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:07AM (#10885560)
    Hopefully it isn't this [live-shot.com] company and a Kennedy impersonator.
  • Awww.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by empee ( 219598 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:08AM (#10885569)
    I was hoping for a game that would let me recreate the beers that were thrown at Ron Artest on Friday night.
  • Warren Commision. (Score:5, Informative)

    by krymsin01 ( 700838 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:08AM (#10885571) Homepage Journal
    I was look around on their site earlier. Seems to me that the point of this game is to get people to question the findings of the Warren commision by showing how impossible it is to pull off.

    If you can, they offer a $100,000 reward. [jfkreloaded.com] Sounds like it's bot time to me...
    • Re:Warren Commision. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ericdano ( 113424 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:25AM (#10885688) Homepage
      There was a new show, either on Discovery Channel or the History Channel, where they recreated the shot. The bullet pretty much did what the "magic bullet" did. Check it out.
  • Chappaquiddick on July 18, 1969.
  • Heh... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    If Mr. Kennedy thinks this one is despicable, just wait until he sees the sequel. You know, the one that simulates getting blitzed and driving off a bridge with your mistress, then leaving her to drown while you crawl home and sleep it off
  • Oswald. (Score:5, Funny)

    by TrevorB ( 57780 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:10AM (#10885583) Homepage
    Campers. Bastards. The lot of them.
  • by SnprBoB86 ( 576143 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:10AM (#10885584) Homepage
    How can this possibly be $10 worth of entertainment? How can this be worth anything?

    I get to shoot one guy, four times? If that costs $10 bucks, I owe Bungie about 180 billion dollars.
  • by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:10AM (#10885585) Journal
    Yes, as so was your boses behavior when he, while driving drunk, killed a woman.

    But thats in the past and doesn't matter.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      You mean exactly like Laura Bush killed her childhood boyfriend during a late night party where the police report has the speed of her vehicle blurred out and she says that it was just an unfortunate accident?

      Just like Teddy.

    • by IvyMike ( 178408 )
      Yes, as so was your boses behavior when he, while driving drunk, killed a woman.

      Well, that's pretty much off the topic--so what? That doesn't change the fact that what he's saying is correct.

      But if we're merely trading partisan barbs, it is fascinating how many prominent politicians are guilty of drunk [thesmokinggun.com] driving [thesmokinggun.com] and vehicular manslaughter [usatoday.com].
  • weeeee (Score:5, Funny)

    by kaje103 ( 828985 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:11AM (#10885588)
    oh boy oh boy.. I can't wait until they make a simulation of Clinton in the Oval Office. Mission: Hit the mouth Fire torpedo one! The dress was hit, I repeat the dress was hit! Game Over
  • by Gary Yogurt ( 664063 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:12AM (#10885600)
    Press "back and to the left, back and to the left" on the controller after the Traffic Games logo for an extra shooter!
  • I guess. Or maybe not. But it's not like the cretins who play this game would be doing something useful otherwise.
  • by wrinkledshirt ( 228541 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:15AM (#10885617) Homepage
    Just my two cents, of course, but with videogames like this [americasarmy.com], maybe the outrage at the lack of decency should be directed a little more broadly...
  • I live in a free country. Namely, America. (Yes, I realize a significant number of /. readers do not, sometimes I wish I was among that number...) We have freedom of speech and expression the last I heard. If you think the game is in poor taste, by all means, do not buy or play it. To me, it just doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun, but I could care less about the subject matter.

    Why is there not this outcry against Call of Duty, when it recreates the tragic deaths of millions during WWII? Is a historical

  • seems boring. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:16AM (#10885625) Homepage Journal
    *When the simulation starts, you are viewing Dealey Plaza through Lee Harvey Oswald's eyes: from the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. A cross-hair marks the position of your rifle sight. Controls available to you are left-click to shoot, and right-click to zoom in/out, and mouse-movements to adjust your aim.*

    so, you only get to aim and shoot. sounds quite boring, and doesn't really offer anything for the conspiracy heads either, as the conspiracy and plot is already played out with oswald as the shooter. now if you would be able to reconstruct the happenings in different ways, like placing the shooter at different locations or using multiple shooters.
  • Too Soon? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Stubtify ( 610318 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:16AM (#10885629)
    While I personally don't agree with the product, I certainly hope this doesn't turn into another campaign against video game violence. It may however, since that this comes out during a time when people still lived through the event in question, yet the audience is clearly a newer generation. Shameless, yes. Outlaw it? nope.
  • Couple thoughts. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by BrookHarty ( 9119 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:17AM (#10885636) Journal
    One, You realize that at least we have the freedom to create this recreation. Many countries could ban this, or even worse put you in jail.

    Second, Could this be to prove that the 3 bullets didnt come from the same gun? No matter what you do, you can't recreate the assignation since the bullets come from different directions?

    I thought it was proved when the home movie was finally released showing the driver getting hit, that there was a 2nd gunman.

    Or is that damn Magic bullet bullshit true? Bounces around like ping pong ball. Hey, even snopes.com doesnt explain that urban legend.
    • Re:Couple thoughts. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by phillymjs ( 234426 ) <slashdot@stanTWAINgo.org minus author> on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:57AM (#10885880) Homepage Journal
      Or is that damn Magic bullet bullshit true?

      The History Channel (IIRC) just ran a special about that last week. A team set out to prove or disprove the single bullet theory. They constructed two very realistic torsos, placed them the way Kennedy and Connally were seated and oriented in the car, and fired a bullet exactly like Oswald used from a rifle just like Oswald's from Oswald's relative position to the limo.

      The result? They almost got a single bullet to produce all the wounds. The only difference was they broke an extra rib in "Connally's" torso-- that deformed the bullet more than apparently happened in the real assassination, and took away the energy it needed to penetrate a block of gel meant to represent Connally's thigh-- it just bounced off, instead. I thought the single bullet theory was a bunch of shit, but after seeing their recreation it certainly seems plausible.

      The show was fascinating, and I'm sure it will see another airing or two this week for anybody who's interested. I think it was "Investigating History," and if so then it's on tonight (Monday night 11/22) at 10PM ET.

      ~Philly
  • other shooters (Score:4, Insightful)

    by syynnapse ( 781681 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:20AM (#10885659) Homepage
    I suppose its somewhat in poor taste, but im all about free speech.

    I don't like that it only allows you to be oswald though. It would be much more intresting if you could also try it in the multiple shooter scenario. if this were an option, the game would be much more likely to "undermine the theory there was some shadowy plot behind the assassination" as the developer claims its purpose is.

  • by MrDyrden ( 833392 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:23AM (#10885679) Homepage
    Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start JFK now has 30 lives!
  • by LeiGong ( 621856 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:26AM (#10885690) Homepage
    The hear the multiplayer sequel lets your friends play as the shooters on the grassy knoll!
  • by majid ( 306017 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:28AM (#10885711) Homepage
    XIII is a FPS based on a hit French illustrated series of the same name, and loosely inspired by the JFK assassination. You play the role of an amnesiac who finds out he is somehow implicated in the assassination of a US President, and must clear your name and recover your past. The twist at the end is stunning. Interestingly, the 3D is rendered to resemble cel animation, very cool.
  • by Zhe Mappel ( 607548 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:31AM (#10885723)
    Die, Liberal, Die!

    You'll throw the switch on an electric chair holding a convicted baby-butchering doctor in this educational look at both sides of the abortion debate. Learn all about electric current, too.

    Take Dat, Bitch!

    Use a crowbar on a conniving hooker before the jury rejects her opportunistic criminal complaint against you. The game has been designed to debunk phony assault charges; after all, she's a hooker.

    Voterator

    Install and, with the help of a bottle of Windex and a micro-fiber cloth, debug the latest U.S. touchscreen polling machines. Can a vote here or there go awry? Find out when your candidate enjoys late surges in the opposition's key districts!

  • by robotoverflow ( 738751 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:33AM (#10885738)
    "New Video Game Recreates Kennedy Ass..."
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 22, 2004 @02:35AM (#10885756)
    Kill JFK and win a FREEEE iPod!
  • Question (Score:3, Funny)

    by ceeam ( 39911 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @03:11AM (#10885946)
    When the GWB mod is due out?
  • If you RTFWS (Score:5, Informative)

    by Shihar ( 153932 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @03:30AM (#10886025)
    If you bothered to read the fucking web site you would quickly realize that this game is hardly distasteful. It isn't a shooter where you try and whack hordes of secret service guards to kill JFK. It sounds like a project to try and show that the shot was impossible. It is a simulation. Just spend thirty seconds reading the website and it becomes pretty clear that the motive for the game is pretty pure. Hell, just skim the FAQ and you should get an idea what these people are about. If it was some KKK website letting you shoot that liberal panzy, I would agree, but it sounds more like a historian with too much time on his hands.
  • Why stop there? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jeremi ( 14640 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @03:39AM (#10886051) Homepage
    How many years until we have "September 11th, the video game"?
    • MS Flight Sim (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Cid Highwind ( 9258 )
      How many years until we have "September 11th, the video game"?

      It's called "Microsoft Flight Simulator" and it's been around since the 1980s...
  • by ttroutma ( 552162 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @03:47AM (#10886080) Homepage
    The replays and ballistics through bodies stuff is creepy. First time it showed the replay of JFK losing a chunk of brain I was actually horrified. This is different than blasting monsters a bazillion times with unrealistic weapons. It actually friggin makes you see, hear, BE the killer. On the other hand it answers a lot of questions I'd always had about the distance and angle of the shots. The sim idicates that JFK was in an exposed position, much more so than I'd ever noticed before. Randomly blasting into the car seems to take out JFK more often than the other characters.
  • by PsiPsiStar ( 95676 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @04:35AM (#10886235)
    ... keep trying to make this a multi-player game.
  • by Magickcat ( 768797 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @04:45AM (#10886259)
    It seems to me that the most despicable thing is the fact that the American people have never had the people who killed former Pres. Kennedy brought to justice, not had the whole facts of the assasination revealed publically and officially. Of course, such a revelation would probably reveal things still relevant today, so it stays secret.

    If I was Sen. Edward Kennedy, I'd find this game less tasteless compared to a lack of answers and justice.

    Of course, if I saw the game sold in a store, I'd reconsider ever purchasing from them again. Thourougly tasteless and disrepectful, regardless of whatever you might happen to think of JFK.
    • For everyone who is not a member of the tin-foil hat crowd, everything is fine. Oswald was the only shooter. He got whacked by a nut, who later died in prison. Justice was served as well as was possible, and the facts are there for anybody to see.
  • by cliffski ( 65094 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @05:15AM (#10886344) Homepage
    This game wouldnt sell a single copy if the media didnt splash it everywhere as some kind of scandal. Its just like the game 'manhunt' which the media got pulled from UK stores recently.
    Seriously, there are some fantastic games out at the moment, Half Life 2, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3, maybe Pirates will be good even *cough plug* my own Starship Tycoon ;)
    Its always pretty depressing to see that you can get a million dollars worth of advertising just by ensuring your game is sick and tasteless.
    Lets treat trash like this the way it deserves, and ignore it completely. there are plenty more worthy pieces of entertainmemnt out there that could be covered instead.
  • by JollyFinn ( 267972 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @06:14AM (#10886530)
    Oh no they killed Kennyde.
  • by tod_miller ( 792541 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @06:27AM (#10886570) Journal
    By analysing the information gained from the release of the game, we now believe that:

    "The killer grenade jumped the parade, and bunny hopped across to a grassy knoll where it spray pained a clan logo before shouting 'j1h4d l0l rotflmao gg' and then using an aimbot to assassinate JFK.... the final words of the killer before police emptied the munitions budget of a small state into him was: k1ll4h dropped - connection reset by peer"

    Games.
  • by JollyFinn ( 267972 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @06:54AM (#10886653)
    Getting away with it these days is nearly impossible...
    [Trivial, with money and manpower inside united states, and with some time for preparitions.]
    Quicklist:
    Someone inside does it with poison or something: blackmail, bribe, personal hate towards president etc...
    Longrange rifles and explosive bullets 2 kilometers away from target...
    Mortars 8 kilometers away from target... Best would be if you could get enough firepower to take down a building, if not then in the street right in front of it.
    Bazooka trough a wall...
    Burry explosives before hand to a location you know president will be at sometime future....
    Best location would be a large bridge. Feed the sharks below the bridge before hand just to make sure...
    Navy/airforce insiders... Well get missile, zero it to a building where president is. Hit the fire button. Or better yet. Use insiders to get it from armory, deliver it withing its range to the president and then fire it at the target...

    Now none of the tricks are something you could get AWAY with actually, so there has to be something more important than persons own life for a motive to do it. Doing it isn't going to make anything better, you just get another dumb polition that does same mistakes, perhaps few additional mistakes os it won't solve a thing.
  • by LilMikey ( 615759 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:20AM (#10887263) Homepage
    "I don't agree with what you say but I will defend with my life your right to say it."

    Besides... if both guns and games were banned, which do you think would've been more likely to save Kennedy?
  • Serious simulation (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tgibbs ( 83782 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @11:15AM (#10888093)
    From the web site, it is clear that this is not some kind of cheap, quickie game to reap publicity from controversy. They have invested a lot of time and effort into serious simulation--effect of gravity on bullet trajectory, bullet deflection by bone, loss of energy of bullets passing through various materials, etc. This is a lot more work than required to simply produce an entertaining video game. At the price, I question whether the project will even repay the development effort.

    While I appreciate that this must be painful for some of the family--as, most likely, are the periodic rehashing of the event in the news and documentary media--I see this as another part of the loss of privacy that is part of the price of leadership. The assassination of President Kennedy is one of the pivotal events of modern history. It is also uniquely controversial. What really happened is still being hotly debated decades later. Nobody seriously questions, for example, whether it was possible for a beginning pilot to fly a plane into the WTC, yet there are many people who believe passionately that Oswald could not have made the shots as described.

    This project appears to be a serious attempt at interactive history, allowing people to investigate for themselves the plausibility of the "official" version of events. This is a unique way to breathe life into history; I hope we see more serious simulations of this nature

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