The World of Competitive Gaming 318
cphilo wrote to mention an article in the AP about the world of competitive gaming. From the article: "Welcome to the basement lair of the 24-year-old Wendel, the man known and feared by aficionados of multiplayer games across the globe as 'Fatal1ty.' If you deign to think of video games as simply a childish pastime, consider this professional game player. He collects a six-figure salary, has his own brand of gaming merchandise and travels the world to compete - regarded by those in the know as one of the most gifted players of his kind."
He's not pro! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:He's not pro! - Mod Parent Funny (Score:2, Informative)
Re:He's not pro! - Mod Parent Funny (Score:3, Informative)
He's been to Denmark, and played at the Boomtown [boomtown.net] cafe, where you could also challenge him, and win some stuff (his Abit motherboard etc).
The Girls... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The Girls... (Score:2, Interesting)
Also, comptetitive game playing can be extremely interesting to watch. Just take a look at this SF2 tourney highlight:
Ken vs Chun-Li EVO 2004 [google.com]
Re:The Girls... (Score:2)
You know...pretend, just for a moment, that *you* have a pair of breasts on your front. Now, who do *you* want to live with for the rest of your life? Yeah, your thought process probably works pretty much the same way it does now. Sure, you might like to go out with a supermodel, all else being equal, but honestly, knowing someone that's nice and
Re:The Girls... (Score:2)
Banging g
Re:The Girls... (Score:2)
Re:The Girls... (Score:3, Funny)
Idol culture (Score:3, Interesting)
Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:5, Interesting)
Not to take away from the guys accomplishments but will a time come when we all but do away with the need to press the flesh?
Why do we need to gather and mingle in the face of the web, the very essence of which is near instantaneous communication at a distance. This reminds me of those who need to print out hard copies of material in order to study it properly.
Do we gain or lose signal to noise when we gather to celebrate our heroes?
I keep a few fundamental books at hand's reach but other than those and the turn over of new material taken out from a library, I'm much more comfortable and able to take from an e format than from dead tree material, and, I can learn more from another at a distance than when merged in a touchy feely mind meld.
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:5, Insightful)
I am a book collector, and have many old books. Something about the fact that many people have touched them and loved them makes them all the more special. I have about 10 copies of the Rubiyat of Omar Kayyan - none any less than 80 years old. Something about the different artwork, leather covers, hand-written notes that conveys a continuity, a chain of humanity to them.
Shaking the hand of the world's best gamer is really no less.
Is this gamer real? Is he a person or a bot that a marketing exec thought up to encourage the Future Gamers of the World to play more games in the hope that they too can make money by sitting on their arse? Never underestimate the phyiscal world and our need to *physically understand* something.
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:3, Informative)
Precisely! Technology extends the range of options, but does not have to do away with the old options. Most of my gaming is via computer, but that doesn't make card night with old friends any less valuable.
>I have about 10 copies of the Rubiyat of Omar Kayyan - none any less than 80 years old. Something about the different artwork, leather covers, hand-written notes that conveys a continuity, a chain of humanity to them.
I share the feeling (... and covet your collection, twice the size of mine.)
The
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:3, Interesting)
In this case Fatal1ty is a legend, a sort of real myth. He doesn't get paid to play well, he gets paid to make public apperances. Fans want to see him. They want to hear him talk. The want to watch him play, not his avatar.
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:5, Insightful)
Or brought down several notches, I suspect that most people would prefer to be in person for basic conversations whenever reasonably possible. Telephones, VoIP, video conferencing are all simply second-rate substitutes that come on for convenience's sake when the expense of being in person isn't possible or justiable.
Conferences and trade shows are great if you can go, they are great ways to build a social network, great ways to actually try things out in person rather than trusting text descriptions and photos on the web.
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:5, Funny)
You realize, don't you, that it's a bit of a stretch to think that most of the people here will have the opportunity to make such a choice?
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:3, Funny)
For fun I would..., with a twist. Consider the possibility of all the male geeks who masturbate having a method for home storage of their sperm, (they might want to store some off site for redundancy). Maybe at the time they're alone in their mom's basement jerking off to porn their chances of finding a mate are slim, but who's to say in time they might become highly sought after and their late adolescent and early adult sperm might be preferable
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:2)
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:3, Interesting)
Likely not until fibre is everywhere.
Travel for professional gamers is a requirement. The internet has this nasty thing that ALL gamers hate called "lag" (varied and fluctuating ping that causes noticable hiccups in the game). The problem for the pro is that lag can be the difference between 1st place and last place. When money is on the line it's LAN play all the way for any serious gamer.
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:2)
Likewise, there is much more to be learnt about and observed by someone in the flesh as opposed to via a webcast. So I'd say no, there
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Out of Touch with an Old Reality (Score:2)
No. And that's mostly because it proves he's a real person. How would one tell a very skilled player from a corporate-sponsored bot? Think along the lines of the movie S1m0ne [imdb.com].
I suppose that'll be the next big thing... don't beat Deep Blue at chess, frag it at Quake4!
But still.. (Score:5, Funny)
But still a nerd with no sex life. (presumably)
"Gaming is so much fun and so relaxing," he said. "I don't see why anyone would want to stop playing."
Yep, no sex life is confirmed..
Yes I am still very jealous ;)
Re:But still.. (Score:3, Informative)
sure "the best" (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't care how much people get paid, I refuse to play with people who abuse these bugs (and trust me, they all do. It's become socially acceptable) and I outright refuse to call any of these people "pro".
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2, Informative)
Learn To Play.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:3, Insightful)
When you sacrifice any sense of competition [e.g. spawn camping, unbalacing teams, tk'ing] you just make the game a waste of time. This is largely why I don't MP [well that and the lag].
Tom
Cheating versus strategies (Score:3, Insightful)
There are two classes of these kinds of things:
1) Unfixed problems in the game. If there *really is* a single, simple strategy, using knowledge of the game's rules that lets you easily beat anyone using any other strategy, then the game is simply broken. On the other hand, very, very few people play games like this.
2) Strategies that you are not willing to counter.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:3, Interesting)
The point of sports, likewise, is to have fun, not win...
Do pro-sports seem any less acceptable to you?
Re:sure "the best" (Score:5, Interesting)
Hiding in a wall hack is cheating. Bouncing around a map using rockets on rocket arena requires talent.
Each game has it's own limitations, and each fight has it's own strategy. Many British generals decried the foul tactics of the American Revolutionary army as they used guerilla tactics. Come out and fight us face to face! Line up in bright colors! Don't attack during tea time!
Do you want to win or have a long set of rules? If it's the rules, go play D&D, not FPS. You (and the rest of us who won't have to listen to Yet Another Whiner) will be happier.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
Fun counts as long as people want it to count.
This guy is a pro-gamer, he takes part in pro-gaming tournaments, and he has fun doing it.
Noone involved in pro-gaming tournament is *forced* to do it, they do it because they want to, and for some because they have fun in doing so.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
Says it all.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
Says it all.
Sounds like life to me.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
Good sportmanship will always be an ideal to uphold and strive toward.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
Any competitive conoutner-strike or team-based league I was in was devoid of any lamer tactics when you got into a high enough level. Those tactics might work great on big public servers, but they need to change when playing someone good.
As far as spawn killing goes, some people consider it a very large part of the game -- playing cat and mouse, and trying to outsmart
Re:sure "the best" (Score:5, Interesting)
"The type of people who bunny hop around maps using the rocket launcher to frag you as you spawn, collecting all the weapons before anyone else can get to them."
I'm failing to see how this is considered an "exploit" or "lamer tactic". It is a very viable strategy that, when attempted versus other players of high calibre, CAN be countered.
Keep in mind that the higher level players do not fall into the holes that average players would. Actual strategy is employed to avoid being spawn fragged, locked out of weapons, etc, whereas the average player would throw up his hands in frustration.
Your claim that pro-gaming is based on abusing bugs and shortcuts is ridiculously unqualified and shortsighted.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:4, Informative)
There is a HUGE difference between knowing and using a map to it's full potential and exploiting bugs.
Bunny hopping is something I personally don't like but I don't see anything "cheat" worthy about it. Neither is spawn camping with a rocket launcher. It's just part of the game.
I'm sorry but when I read your collecting all the weapons before anyone else can get to them I actually laughed out load... quite hard too. The whole point of the game where there are many weapons is to limit the amount your opponent can get thus maximizing you potential to frag the hell out of 'em.
I think you're confusing PRO with NOOB. I've been in many MP servers in all kinds of games and it's the same crap all the time. Get pro's playing against each other and you'll see some of the best game play you could imagine.
(and trust me, they all do. It's become socially acceptable)
I don't and no it has not. Exploits get you banned, simple.
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2, Insightful)
You getting owned != opponent abusing the game
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:sure "the best" (Score:5, Interesting)
I have, _several_ times at Quakecon and let me tell you it is unbelievable. He will play just hard enough to screw with his opponent... only whipping out the "tricks" when he needs them.
For Quakecon 2004 he was setup in the Abit booth and was playing people for spectacle... if you could even kill him _once_ you got a prize. If you could beat him then you got a whole new computer.... only a few people got a prize at all.
One of the memerable moments from watching him play was when he was taking on a beginner in Doom3... Fatal1ty ran into a room and knew the guy was coming behind him... he shot out all of the lights and crouched in a corner... while his opponent ran _right_ past him... the crowd HOWLED with laughter and his opponent swung around dumbfounded until he got a shotgun in the face.
Fatal1ty plays _so_ often that he is basically one with the game... he knows every nook and cranny of every map and knows exactly which weapon to use in every situtation... he also has an uncanny ability to predict the behaviour of his foe.
Go see him play sometime... then tell me he is some kind of "lamer".... I think you will be surprised.
Friedmud
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
Re:sure "the best" (Score:3, Insightful)
That said, I do agree that it would be interesting to plop down a bunch of the pro's in never before
Re:sure "the best" (Score:2)
My be, even though actually knowing the maps is part of gaming (even at non-pro level).
That's pretty equivalent to satellite image and "real world" intelligence: you know how the field is, you can devise which tactics your opponent is likely to use, and you can try to counter or outsmart is.
At pro-level, everyone knows the maps, in fact most tournaments run on very specific (and quite small amounts of) maps, chosen for various factors (fun, balance, tricks, points of interrests, ...) and knowing them by h
Re:sure "the best" (Score:3, Funny)
What the hell is wrong with all you fucking bleeding heart liberal bastard slashdot high and mighty fuckers that let's you think you get to judge everyone else? (yes there should have been commas in there... but if anyone even thinks of telling me that, then they can take their post and shove it up their ass)
What did _you_ do to "help humanity" today? In the 30 seconds it took you to create this reply you could have saved a baby seal... get off your ass and do something!
God damn
If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:5, Funny)
Just saying.
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2)
I tend to play better golf when I'm not smoking or drinking.. Also, my tennis game really suffers when I decide to quench my thirst with a shot of whisky and a smoke.
The same probby goes for gamers..
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2)
Sure, you may not be an athlete, but I'm pretty sure they count as sports.
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:4, Funny)
Bowling is a game.
Darts is combat training/a great way to lose money.
Snooker is an art form.
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2)
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2, Interesting)
I would still say the participants aren't atheletes.
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2)
I've probably been gaming longer than you've been out of school.
I was turning over arcade machines before there was "competative gaming".
Fatal1ty is one of many, let me assure you. He's at the top of his game and good for him. I still don't think he's an athelete, neither am I. Even if I am probably faster than you.
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2, Insightful)
So Bike Racing isn't a sport? (Score:2)
Merckx, the greatest racer ever, smoked supposedly to get his lungs ready for the indoor track season.
the term athlete, quite literally, is from the greek meaning "one who competes". I suppose you could go with the most narrow of definitions, and say that athletics is only track and
Re:So Bike Racing isn't a sport? (Score:2)
There were seasonal races around here by the messengers that were ridden while they drank. Athletes no, silly drunken free entertainent yes.
What makes you think he can drink? (Score:2)
You really do not understand how serious players are. It is definatley a sport.
Personally, my own defintiion of sport is "someone is willing to pay to watch you play". Professional gaming fits that quite well.
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:2)
Re:If you can smoke and drink while doing it.... (Score:3, Funny)
You can drink and drive in Nascar?!
A Child Prodigy (Score:5, Interesting)
Now this is a child prodigy. Pbbbt...that other kid [slashdot.org] only got to college by 8.
Another Professional gamer: Grrrr (StarCraft) (Score:3, Insightful)
Guillaume Patry is another professional gamer who was a StarCraft champ [geartest.com] in South Korea. We did an interview with him last year and his view was particularly interesting as someone who was nearing the end of his gaming career.
The thing that I find interesting is that like Wendel/Fatal1ty, Patry/Grrrr was also an athlete before he got into gaming. In Patry's case, he was a competitive skiier.
Iain M Banks strikes! (Score:2)
I recommend the book, btw, but then most of the 'M' banks (the sci-fi stuff) is pretty damn good...
Simon
Frausters (Score:5, Interesting)
What are the chances now that this guy is the real one, or its just a troll using his name?
How much respect does a name get you, and how would an online site decide who was the real Fatal1ty?
(I only ask this after taco's recent ponderment about WoW banning his account)
Re:Frausters (Score:2)
Re:Frausters (Score:2)
Big $$$ talk generally misleading. (Score:5, Interesting)
I do not fear him (Score:2)
Just what the world needs... (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean, if he stepped into a pot of gold...Hey great for him. I've been playing videogames since my folks brought home an Atari 2600 back in the day. (Yow....That's like 20 years ago) Now, I'm more ancient than this fellow and I certainly can't make a living at gaming even with 20 years under me.
I can see it now...Sitting in the Guidance Office, looking the counselors in the eye, and stating
Re:Just what the world needs... (Score:2)
Envy. (Score:5, Insightful)
And for all the people who complain about it not being a sport, or it not being fair, you're all just as jealous as myself that you can't play computer games for a living...
I'm just saying.
Re:Envy. (Score:2)
I won't complain about him having his job....
But I couldn't envision myself having it. Actually went to a video game college (to make them!) and after the 3rd semester, all I could think about was that I was going waste my life making products that would be enjoyed for maybe a year before it became hopelessly obsolete. Actually that wo
This is riduculous (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, okay. Whatever happened to Thresh [wikipedia.org], who preceeded this kid by years? Pioneer? Please.
This fellow is far too full of himself, in part because there's so many fanboys lurking in the online community that just envy everything about him. But realistically, anyone could win these tournaments. He is nothing special -- he just happened to dedicate more time than most to become exceptionally good. So what does it require to win? An insane amount of time spent in front of the computer, and a little bit of insanity for good measure.
Re:This is ridiculous (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, there are plenty of people who dedicate huge amounts of time to these games, and very few are anywhere near his league. You can't discount his talent by writing it off as just time spent playing. That would be like claiming that Tiger Woods is just good at golf because he practices more than anyone. There is definitely an element of talent involved in playing these games.
Re:This is riduculous (Score:2)
I'm not disagreeing with you but that can be said of any champion in any field. I know a lot of us come from a background where natural talent has given us an advantage that we never really had to put any real effort into doing something, mainly in school. When you are near the top of your game though, it's usually passion and obsessive dedication that makes the difference and to me that makes the vict
Re:This is riduculous (Score:2)
I can see (Score:2, Funny)
Passion for winning (Score:5, Interesting)
Few people appreciate how much passion he has for winning.
How to tell a hack from a good player? (Score:2)
It seems trusted computing may help this some in the long term, but I find it hard to trust that I'm not wasting my time fighting an impossible opponent at times.
Advertising makes you money. (Score:2, Informative)
Vs. conventional popular sports (Score:2)
Relevant Far Side comic (Score:3, Funny)
I guess the salaries in this Far Side weren't too far off after all! [themushroomkingdom.net]
Fatal1ty? More like pipe-tality! (Score:3, Interesting)
Get over your envy some were just born with skills (Score:4, Insightful)
Another example, the wife of a friend of mine who's a native born Czech went target shooting and on her first try she had almost perfect aim.
So the moral of the story is, stop being envious, look for your natural talents, and develop them.
Interesting to note... (Score:3, Informative)
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(1v1)
2nd - CPL Turkey Qualifier for Spain (PainkilleR) - Instanbul, Turkey
4th - CPL Turkey World Tour Stop (PainkilleR) - Instanbul, Turkey
6th - CPL Spain World Tour Stop (PainkilleR) - Barcelona, Spain
2nd - CPL Brazil World Tour Stop (PainkilleR) - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2nd - CPL Sweden World Tour Stop (PainkilleR) - Jonkoping, Sweden
Certainly better than I would do, but he is losing to people. Good, but I don't know how much of the talk about 'the best in the world' isn't just marketing and PR. Most stories like this that you see on AP newswire and the like are there because of PR firms. My bet is that we are seeing him now becuase Abit wants to make sure they are getting thier moneys worth from their deals with him.
From his web page: (Score:4, Interesting)
Since then Fatal1ty has traveled the globe to compete against the best in the world, winning prizes and acclaim, including the first DOOM 3 Inaugural Deathmatch Championship at QuakeCon 2004 for a $25,000 grand prize. He presently reigns as the only 3 time CPL Champion of the Year, winning each, annual title in a different game, a feat never before accomplished.
Now, products of the highest quality are being introduced under the Fatal1ty brand. The same dedication that drives Fatal1ty to be the world's best gamer is being translated to offer innovative products intended to enhance the gaming lifestyle and experience. At the same time, Fatal1ty is dedicated to expanding the popularity and opportunities for cyber athletes.
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It is possible to view recordings of matches in most FPS games today. Websites like cyberfight.org and esreality.com has quite an archive.
However, most of these replays requires the respective game and any additional mods and maps installed in order to view the replay, in order to save size. I would recommend watching a video compilation. own-age.com is a site with many videos in the most popular games, and this is the link to the top downloaded video. it features mostly highlights in Quake 3. http://own-age.com/vids/video.aspx?id=660 [own-age.com]
If you arent familiar with Quake3, it will be very hard to spot anything but fancy moves and aim when you're spectating "pro" players, but keep in mind that there is a high level of tactics involved. Pay attention to item timing.
I would recommend watching this video as a starter. It requires Quake3 with newest pointrelease and the mod "OSP". It is played on the custom map ztn3tourney1, so you will have to get that too. It features two swedish top players at ESWC2005.
It is recommended to use "DemoShowCreator" (DSC) or similar to view the replay as it may be tricky doing it manually if you havent done it before. Here are some step by step instructions http://esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=35018&page=3 [esreality.com]
Re:I bet... (Score:2)
At a shade under $500 a month?
Just what kind of mom has he got?!
Re:I bet... (Score:2)
From TFA:
But $500 just so happens to be a six-figure salary if you live in the Czech Republic, for example.
Re:I bet... (Score:2)
Re:Attacks (Score:3, Insightful)
Everything you touch on can be answered by looking at people like Tony Hawk.
Re:Attacks (Score:3, Insightful)
And having played all manner of video games since the beginning of them all, I can assure you there's more to button mashing to beating a skilled opponent. Many tradition sports have great mental aspects to them. Baseball pitchers and batters are a good example. There's more there than thowing and hitting.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Baseball anyone? (Score:4, Funny)
>At least the Baseball players who learn to cash in on a child's game aren't Coke-swilling computer nerds
Insert Daryl Strawberry joke here
Re:Not another eSports-article... (Score:2)
It's not really like a regular sport where any regular person can appreciate the athletic ability and skill of those playing it. Regular sports are more accessible too - by playing it yourself (and discovering how amateur you are by comparison to the pros) you gain a newfound appreciation of the achievements of those who can actually do it for a living. Contrast that with eSports - the barrier to e
eSports might work, but change is needed first (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree that this is currently the case; however, I also think that much of that can be remedied.
For example, take football. I don't play football. Unlike a lot of people, I don't follow football. This makes a typical football game on TV completely boring to me. To help deal with this, the sport's presentation has been highly tuned. There are rapid transitions, never focussing on one thing for too long. There are sportscasters that act excited, to help get you in the mood. There is a running stream of patter and anecdotes going on, interesting factoids, and an explanation of what's going on. I have no idea what, beyond the basic rules of football, someone should do. The sportscasters explain this.
As a result, while watching football may not be my favorite thing in the world to do, it's certainly a viable form of entertainment if there's nothing else on.
Another problem is that it takes people a while to appreciate the higher levels of play. You can't do this with the current video-gaming world, because each new game that comes out changes the rules. You have to have a basic game created, one that keeps being playable for many, many, many years. Sure, you can change the graphics and whatnot, but the rules cannot change aside from minor tweaks (such as those that are occasionally made to football). I don't see any reason that someone couldn't create such a game.
Next, the rules have to be fairly simple. Football is already, IMHO, too complicated for someone to just drop into, and it is still much more straightforward than most of the video games out there. Chess is an immortal game because it's easy to learn. Age of Empires is just not going to work for televised viewing. Also, simple rules make it easier to ensure that your game has no "easy" loopholes or ways to win. Complex rules, sets of fixes upon fixes for loopholes in a game, mean that "cheap" ways to win probably exist.
Next, the game has to be visually pretty (and probably improve each year). Note that visually pretty does not mean technically impressive. It just has to be attractive to watch. Perhaps really good art and design work is important. You have a large number of people watching who have to be entertained not by *playing* the game, but by merely watching it and appreciating the strategy -- they aren't experiencing the actual gameplay component.
Next, I think that team-based play is probably important. In the world of lucrative professional sports, everything is team-based. Football, basketball, soccer, hockey, baseball...fans like being able to speak with knowledge about how well a team is doing, what the trades of various players mean, and so forth. Watching one random guy play doesn't provide that. Also, people can empathize with a team ("I live in New York, and so I want the New York Mets to win!"), but if there's only a single player, the side becomes a hard-to-empathize-with-player. If my *town* had a clan, I might be able to get interested in what they're doing.
Next is the biggest one. Almost all games these days have a twitch component. In FPSes, reaction time is crucial. My first reaction was that this wouldn't work. I've changed my mind. You can have twitch games, but there has to be more-slowly-changing state (other than the score, which changes too slowly). That state has to favor one side or the other, and should be able to completely change within a minute, and at least sometimes stay in one position for several minutes. In most sports, this is handled by the field position of the ball or puck. Why is this important? It's too hard to watch a really good FPS player unless you're equally good and can anticipate to some degree what they're doing. There's too much rapid movement. A kill is in the blink of an eye -- that doesn't build tension. Capture the flag might be more reasonable -- I could see watching a capture the flag game bec
Re:eSports might work, but change is needed first (Score:4, Insightful)
Mostly when you watch an FPS tournament, you are watching the same screen as one player or another (usually they mirror the monitors on a projector or something). I think this isn't really beneficial from the viewer's point of view -- most people don't know the map, so even if you look back and forth between the two screens, you're not going to get any sense of anticipation.
However, maybe what the game needs is an overhead or strategic view. That way the viewers can see things that the players don't -- if someone is hiding behind a corner, we would be able to see that and build the anticipation. Then the scene can cut to a player in order to show the fight better.
This would be even cooler for CTF -- if we can see both flags from above, and the locations of the players, that would be really cool.
The problem, of course, is that games don't generally have an overhead observer mode built in. But maybe that would be worth adding -- it is probably not really very difficult to implement. Then you could have several people manning machines as "cameramen" and then the director can cut between views similar to a real sports game in order to give the best experience. (Maybe have cameras on the players' faces as well. That would be sweet.)
Re:pro gamers.. Duh (Score:2)
Re:Pure pwnage (Score:2)
Re:And... (Score:3, Insightful)
Which doesn't matter at all to anyone
And gaming is bound by the very dynamics of the game.
And the best gamers are those who can best take advantage of their abilities and knowledge withing the boundaries and limitations of the game (cheats aside).