Microsoft Sides With Nintendo Against Sony 495
rafemonkey writes "Looks like Microsoft loves the Wii. The Washington Post has an article in which VP Peter Moore says that since the PS3 is so expensive, gamers might as well get an Xbox 360 and a Wii for the cost of one Sony console." From the article: "Microsoft predicted on Tuesday it will have 10 million Xbox 360 consoles in the market before Sony launches the PS3. The high-end Xbox 360 sells for $399, but it does not include a built-in high-definition DVD video player that comes with Sony's PS3. Sony plans to sell a premium PS3 model for $599 when it debuts in North America on November 17, and Nintendo has not yet disclosed pricing for Wii." On that last note there is much speculation that Nintendo is aiming for a $249 price point. Sony's Kaz Hirai has in turn responded that the PlayStation 3 is priced for consumers, who are getting a lot for their money.
News pros (Score:2, Informative)
Uh, not yet.
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Eeep! (Score:2)
Still, it's not a financial or software alliance, it's really just talk. Otherwise I'd be worried about Nintendo.
Re:Eeep! (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's try a less exaggerated term. Unethical or something similar perhaps. Let's keep the use of superlatives like evil for things that really deserve it.
Re:Eeep! (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, it's called Windows
Seriously though, I agree that calling Microsoft evil is silly.
Re:Wadayamean they're not evil? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Eeep! (Score:2, Insightful)
I think it's something corporate types say when they mean, "Well, that's kind of icky but it's really ok. No problem as long as it doesn't generate bad press or depress the stock price."
It's true, there are degrees of evil. Evil is not a superlative though.
It's one of these words that people have become scared of using, like "lied." "He mislead the American people," no, he lied to the American people. "Jack Abramoff was unethical," no Jack Abramoff is ev
In defense of diction (Score:2, Insightful)
BTW, your hyperbole? That's "Nazi." Being a malicious shithead and/or conducting one's self in an antisocial manner for personal gain has been evil since, say, religion. Genocide is not required and I think there's little danger of confusion.
Re:Eeep! (Score:2)
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Re:Eeep! (Score:3, Funny)
Interesting. The only way Microsoft could get me to acquire an XBox would be to give me one free with a Wii.
Think of the possibilities! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:So who do we hate again? (Score:5, Insightful)
While I would agree with you that Mario Kart is probably the most static of the series you just cited, I would like to point out that it's probably the least static series in a genre of extremely static games (racing). Seriously, how much do you expect a racing game to change?
That said, all the other games change more between two games then any other two games in their respective genre's (and I would include MarioKart in that statement as well). Just because a game is a sequal doesn't make it any more or less innovative. For the most part, if anything, it just places the game in a particular genre (Zelda is Nintendo's adventure games, Mario is their platformers and family games, Metroid is their sci-fi horror).
As to who to hate, I used to be a big PlayStation fan because of its plethora of RPGs, but now I'm seeing so many companies jumping ship on the PS3, I have to wonder what's really going to happen. Still, it's hard for me to imagine not having the system that Metal Gear Solid 4 and FF13 will be on. MGS4 looks... well... solid. And FF13 is bound to be good (every game in the series I've at least enjoyed, I don't think Square has produced a dog in their main line so far), and from what I've heard about FF12, they're back on their feet again. That said, I won't pay $600 to be able to play two games, so if there isn't a massive catalog to go with the system, it might be time to jump ship. I hate what Microsoft has done to gaming: gone and brought American developers's into the console market, but I have to admit, they have a solid product this time around, although if the Wii is as good as I think it might be, it may be the only system I'll need this generation.
Re:So who do we hate again? (Score:3, Insightful)
For those of us who only mildly follow the video game world, how is bringing American developers to the console market a bad thing?
Wii are not amused (Score:3, Funny)
I'll foist over few extra bucks to avoid this in the future.
Tricks microsoft (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Tricks microsoft (Score:2)
Microsoft is scared shitless of the Wii. They know there's no way in hell that Sony won't sell out of PS3s this holiday, so they're not even in the equation. Microsoft is looking at the fact they're going head-to-head with Nintendo for the budget crowd.
Of course, after the dust settles, supply will catch up with demand and the real battle begins. Expect a price drop soon after the holidays from Sony.
You mean "Tricks Sony"? (Score:5, Insightful)
It seems to me the company that needs to defend themselves the most from claims of lies and trickery is Sony. Shall we jump into the time machine and see what claims Sony made last E3? Let's see here
I'm not saying MS is amazing, doesn't make mistakes, etc. In fact, I think the 2 SKU model is pretty stupid as well, and the supply issues were pretty damaging. But man, compared to Sony, they look like saints recently.
And if MS is looking saintly, then Nintendo must be God.
Re:You mean "Tricks Sony"? (Score:3, Informative)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the only differences between
the core and the premium were smaller hard drive, no card media reader,
no wifi, and different TV-out.
20G hard drive is huge by console standards (don't know what 60G would
be used for.
USB wifi and card readers are readily accessible if you decide you need one later on (the core PS3 still has 4 USB ports).
Is the TV-out difference really a big deal?
What am I missing?
Re:You mean "Tricks Sony"? (Score:4, Informative)
As for the question whether or not the TV-out is a big deal, I assume you mean the HDMI output. There's an open question as to whether or not the PS3 core will be able to output Blu-ray movies to their full potential, since it won't be able to utilize HDMI. Technically, you're supposed to use HDMI, but it looks like most content companies are backing off that requirement. Note that MS is in the same boat, since their HD-DVD add-on won't use HDMI output either.
This is mostly a moot point since many HDTVs apparently don't have an HDMI input. The funny thing is that most Sony fanbois *were* downplaying that fact, trying to trumpet up just how necessary HDMI output was, because the original PS3 specs had TWO of them, while no other console even had one. But now Sony and their fans are backpedaling, since the core version doesn't have it, and they're trying to defend the core version as not being totally worthless.
Personally, I don't really care. My HDTV does have HDMI input, but I highly doubt I'm going to be buying that many HD-DVD or Blu-ray discs, until I know which format wins
But if I were to get a PS3 (and I probably will at some point, since I'm a sucker for Square-Enix fans), it seems like a no brainer to get the premium one. The core one has just too many open questions, and it's only $100 cheaper. But $600 is a lot of money, so I'm going to be waiting until well into 2007 or even later.
Re:You mean "Tricks Sony"? (Score:3, Informative)
In short, yes technically HD-DVD and Blu-ray require HDMI. But there are several articles out there (Google it, I'm lazy) that mention several Hollywood studios not enforcing this, at least initially.
You know, the following conversation could have theoretically taken place at Sony:
1 year ago
Sony Pictures: So, you tell us, should we enforce HDMI for our
Re:Tricks microsoft (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh... I suppose I should back up what ive said... um ok.
First off, the GPU in the Xbox 360 would probrably cost about the same retail as the PS3 GPU would, infact probrably more due to that 12MB of static, highly expensive framebuffer memory and the silicon that goes into almost free post pixel effects ( like 4x AA ).
As to money losing business, read Microsofts latest quarterly earnings statement... they expect to be cash positive on the 360 business within a year or so. I cant imagine Sony is anywhere close to that number this generation.
As to a huge leap over the Xbox 360, then why is it gaming media is pretty much united in slaming the PS3 right now for not showing any great superiority. Infact, any game they have shown as playable as been pretty much acknowledged as being doable on the 360.
Point blank, Sony stumbled and fell at E3 this year ( like microsoft did last year ). The only people that dont seem to notice that are Microsoft, er Micro$oft bashers and Sony fanboys. Which of the two are you? Maybe both?
Fuckit, who needs karma.
I bet he said that... (Score:5, Interesting)
I dont know about the rest of you, but Nintendo really made it easy to choose which next gen to invest in.
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:5, Insightful)
Nintendo is not stupid, they know there are many MANY more people that can and will part with $199.00 per console and $39-$49.00 per game than the Xbox360 and it's insane game pricing currently has. and with the PS3 rumored to have games near the $85.00 mark there will be no competition at all.
If you get your gamers buying a game or two weekly you get much more money out of them than the 1 game every month or two you get with the high prices of the competition.
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:3, Insightful)
So please explain "Its (sic) basically an original Xbox or PS2 with a cool new controller".
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:5, Insightful)
The dreamcast's CPU is a 200MHz Hitachi SH-4, which is a 32 bit RISC processor. The PS2's EE is a pair of ~300MHz 64-bit MIPS cores tied together with another, slower core. Even just one of those cores would be more powerful than the SH4.
I'm a little less sure about graphics comparisons. The clock rate of the PS2's GS is half again higher than the PowerVR II in the Dreamcast, but we know what clock rates are good for, and it's not much outside of marketing. On the other hand, the PS2's graphics solution definitely has more bus bandwidth than that in the Dreamcast.
Finally, I have both a Dreamcast (and maybe a third to a half of the games available for the platform) and a PS2. Even some of the earlier PS2 games look better and play smoother than some of the snazziest titles on Dreamcast.
Neither the numbers nor my experience suggest that the Dreamcast is more powerful than the PS2. I call shenanigans.
New definition (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:5, Insightful)
I disagree... the GameCube is considerably more powerful than the PS2, and pretty much on par with the original Xbox. Have you ever played Resident Evil 4 or Beyond Good and Evil on the Cube? Nintendo's outgoing console is capable of some beautiful graphics.
The Wii is, of course, equipped with much more powerful graphics hardware than the GameCube; I'm confident that its games will look more or less as pretty as those on the 360 or the PS3. However, with its inventive controller and internet-based game distribution system, the Wii is the only one of these new consoles that brings something entirely new to the equation. In that sense, I would argue that it is the only one of the three that is truly "next generation."
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, the last I heard, '50% better' was a fair description. i.e. CPU/GPU are roughly 50% faster. I think there's 2-3 times as much RAM than the GC. All unofficial, of course. If that counts as 'much more powerful', I don't know, especially if you're looking at 360/PS3 hardware in comparison.
But don't get me wrong - I'm looking forward to Mario Galaxy and waving my Wii wand around :)
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:2)
Nintendo has been the only game developer (yes game developer) to consistently provide a high level of quality in all of those areas. I will buy the Wii because Nintendo studios makes amazing games I can't get elsewhere. Mario
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:3, Insightful)
I say potential because it all depends on how well the new controller is utilized, althought seeing how Sony is already scrambling to add similar technology to their controller, it looks like Nintendo isn't the only one that thinks the Wii will be a huge success that changes the face of g
Re:I bet he said that... (Score:4, Interesting)
As for AI, Wii potentially has better AI than either PS3 or 360. The only difference is, with a slower processor, it'll be able to control fewer AI at a time. So while you won't be able to have 100 reasonably intelligent AI, you will get 20 brilliant AI. It's a tradeoff, and will work better for some games than for others.
Add to that truly next generation controls, persistent, free internet service, and yes, more eye candy, and you still end up with a next generation system. The Wii will by no means be as powerful as the Xbox 360 or the PS3, but it will be a comparable solution.
Re:Wii is great if you like Mario, Zelda, and Samu (Score:5, Informative)
You mean like these [ign.com]:
Activision - Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Marvel: Ulatimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3
AQ Interactive - Boxing Action
Atari - Dragon Ball Z Budokai: Tenkaichi 2
Atlus - Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Buena Vista Games - Disney's Chicken Little: Ace in Action Disney's Meet the Robinsons
Capcom - Resident Evil series
D3Publisher - SIMPLE series
Electronic Arts - Madden NFL '07, Medal of Honor Airborne
Hudson - Bomberman
Koei - Sengoku Action
Konami - Elebits, Soccer game
Majesco - Bust-a-Move Revolution
Marvelous Interactive / Natsume - Harvest Moon Heroes, Legend of the River King
Mastiff - Mr. D Goes to Town
Midway Games - The Ant Bully, Happy Feet
MTO - SAN-X All-star Revolution
Namco Bandai - Final Furlong, Mobile Suite Gundam, Digimon, One Piece Ulimited Adventure, Tamagotchi
SEGA - Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz, Sonic Wild Fire
SNK - Metal Slug Anthology
Spike - Necro-Nesia, Jawa
Square Enix - Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers, Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Taito - Turn it around!, Let's go by train!, Cooking Mama -Cooking with International Friends
Tecmo - Super Swing Golf Pangya
THQ - Avatar: The Last Airbender, SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab, Disney/Pixar Cars
TOMY - Battle Action
Ubisoft - Open Season, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Red Steel
Yeah, I sure with they had at least some third-party support. While I'm not necessarily defending the quality of some of these games (I'm not necessarily a Spongebob fan), the point it that third-party support exists.
Re:Wii is great if you like Mario, Zelda, and Samu (Score:3, Funny)
I think they should change "Bust-a-Move Revolution" to "Busting for a Wii".
OH!.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Personally I can only afford one - and because I live in the UK I'll be paying twice what you are anyway *shakes fist* - so for me it'll be the Wii
Re:OH!.... (Score:2)
Re:OH!.... (Score:3, Informative)
Disgaea
Phantom Brave
La Pucelle Tactics
Guitar Hero
Katamari Damacy
We Love Katamari
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
God of War
Shadow of the Colossus
Resident Evil 4
and on and on and on....
There are many PS2 exclusives or games exclusive to PS2 and maybe the Cube.
Overall, though, your point is well taken. Most of the games that the mass populace loves (i.e. Sports, Racing, etc.) are available on both systems. So while it *is* kind of a wash there are games that break through this. Games that are worth play
Re:OH!.... (Score:2)
I balked at the price of the PS3 and am considering getting an Xbox360 sooner or later instead of it (I'm getting the Wii for sure). But I have a PS2 and this is blatantly false.
Games that come to mind immediately (the stuff I bought a PS2 for):
Katamari Damashii / We Love Katamari
Disgaea / Phantom Brave / Makai Kingdom / Disgaea 2 / La Pucelle
Ico / Wanda and the Colassous
Vib
Re:OH!.... (Score:2)
Re:OH!.... (Score:2, Flamebait)
Oh... Wait... Nevermind.
Isn't socialism grand!
Please no! (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a reason I play games on consoles nowadays. Consoles are simple. I really don't want to start having to study the game box to see if my console will play game X for that console.
Re:Please no! (Score:2, Insightful)
For someone who isn't into "simple" gaming, you sure have a hard time undertadning simple words. I commented on "simple consoles." There's a big difference. The game can be as complex as it wants to be. I just want the ability to put the disc (or cartridge or whatever) in the slot, hit power, and have the game come up for me to play in a short amount of time. No reading system requirements. No lengthy installs. No worrying about if other games, processes,
Re:Please no! (Score:3, Interesting)
o rly? (Score:2, Insightful)
$249 (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:$249 (Score:2)
$200 would be an ok price, but only $150 would be a good price. Nintendo wants to open up to new consumers, so a lower price would be logical and almost needed to put some space between 360 and Wii.
Re:$249 (Score:2)
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Re:$249 (Score:2)
Re:$249 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:$249 (Score:2)
Re:$249 (Score:3, Informative)
That's an interesting link... just for kicks I plugged in the 'typical' launch price for a console, $299, at year 2000 inflation... this is what I got back:
What cost $299 in 2000 would cost $332.05 in 2005.
That's what the low end PS3 should cost. All other things being equal. $330 and $399 for low and high-end configs respectively would have looked pretty good.
Re:$249 (Score:2)
I don't see how they could charge $249 for it considering its not on the same level as the other 2 as far as a leap in technology.
It makes perfect sense (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It makes perfect sense (Score:3, Interesting)
Why you'll want to buy an Xbox 360 and a Wii (Score:5, Funny)
They're definitely on to something (Score:2, Insightful)
All for roughly the price of a system with a three-generation old controller (but crappier - no rumble support and unresponsive 3D movement) that will offer no visual improvement o
MS has said this lots of times before (Score:5, Insightful)
Does this mean a deathknell for Nintendo? Not at all. At their core, Moore, Allard, etc. are gamers. They're MS businessmen, but they're gamers. They know what good games look like and try to court the best talent (well, except Rare...
Re:MS has said this lots of times before (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, buying them out is a non-starter, as has been mentioned many times before. Nintendo's a 116-year old company. To them, Microsoft would be this little kid coming up and saying 'hey, I got 100 bucks from my parents, can I have your house?' Nintendo - the company - is worth a lot more to them than Microsoft would be willing to pay.
But I think you're right in that Microsoft definitely is not trying to compete with Nintendo. There was a quote from an editor at 1UP [1up.com] that sums this up nicely:
Microsoft is targeting core gamers. That market isn't expanding (they're just spending more money, but that will of course end). In Japan, it's contracting. Moreover, modern gaming is getting more expensive, and margins are becoming much thinner, but hardcore gamers won't accept any less - they expect graphics to improve, effects to get bigger and better, etc.
Which means that, in some sense, Microsoft and Sony need Nintendo to succeed. I don't think Sony's figured that out yet (probably because Nintendo is out back in a Japanese alley beating Sony's new baby PSP into a bloody pulp) but I think Nintendo has.
it is a sign microsoft is scared (Score:2, Insightful)
but now they're saying oh crap we need a buddy cuz the ps3 scares the pants off us.
microsoft complaining about the ps3 price is dumb, the xbox360 premium's market price was $800-1000 on ebay for the first 5 months. if tons of people are willing to pay that much for an xbox360, (which does not have a 60gig hdd, hi-def DVD drive, integrated wi-fi) then people wil
Re:it is a sign microsoft is scared (Score:2)
There really weren't that many that sold for that sort of price on eBay, compared to the number that sold for retail price. If Sony sells PS3s to everyone that was willing to pay $800-$1000 for an X360 then that leaves 3,995,000 sitting on shelves - not really a good launch.
$600 is too high, in my opinion. $400 was even pushing the envelope on the X360 but they were lucky to have no real competition at the time. The PS3 coming
Re:it is a sign microsoft is scared (Score:3, Informative)
There's no need for all this conspiracy theory crap. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Re:it is a sign microsoft is scared (Score:2)
The PS/3 is priced for early adopters, who will clearly pay that price if they paid $800-1000 for the X-box. The thing about the X-box is that the demand far exceeded the supply, which artificially drove up the price. They can always lower the price of the PS/3 based on their sales figures.
Having the blue-ray built in makes a lot of sense. It means you can have better games which leads to a sustained competitive advantage. Having wifi built in makes a lot of sense too because it probably didn't increase
An even better deal... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:An even better deal... (Score:2)
Took me 30 seconds to find the 360 for sale: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 EFXG1G/sr=8-2/qid=1147368792/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-9847 982-6153402?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance [amazon.com]
Sony's tricks again.... (Score:4, Informative)
This seems utterly bizarre. Over the course of the PS3's development, Sony has promised quite a bit, and yes they did include most of what they said (Cell, Blu Ray), but one of the biggest bits of HD. And now the president says there aren't enough TV's to warrant putting HDMI on the low end PS3?
Wasn't Nintendo getting flak for just this for the entire time that they said that HD wasn't yet the norm? Granted... Nintendo's max resolution still pales to the PS3's max resolution even without the HDMI.. but BluRay movies with the DRM bit set won't even work at max resolution on the low end PS3. Perhaps this was the point of the delay over the DRM announced previously.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (Score:2)
Oh, and Sony's online service is free, for at least 5 years I believe, whereas the same Xbox Live service would cost an extra $250, at $50 per year.
From the CNN Article (Score:2)
So, if I am reading this right, Sony wants me to park my computer next to my console. Like I don't have enough under the TV as it stands right now.
Re:From the CNN Article (Score:3, Insightful)
Covert browser war? (Score:2)
Piggies (Score:2, Funny)
Good for Microsoft? (Score:2)
Oh good lord... (Score:2)
Spin, Spin, Spin (Score:3, Interesting)
The PS3 will cost $599 WITH a Blu-Ray drive.
XBox 360 costs $399, how much will will you pay if you want to add on the HD-DVD drive? I would think it would cost at least $200 dollars.
$399 + $200 = $599!!
Re:Spin, Spin, Spin (Score:2)
Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (Score:2, Offtopic)
Could part of the reason be that Microsoft is backing HD DVD while Sony is backing Blu-ray?
The indiferrent party to my enemy is my friend.
Read between the lines (Score:2, Insightful)
Was Blu-ray a good move? (Score:3, Insightful)
In a wierd ironic twist Microsoft will now start leveraging its dominance in the OS market with Vista's support for live anywhere to help it's console and this strategy seems to be very well concieved (as oppossed to Sonys). Then agian its not so wierd to expect Microsoft to be the Master at leveraging its OS effectivly (like they haven't done that before).
It's too early to call this whole console war (but it sure is fun to speculate isn't it
Ves
Classic Microsoft Strategy... (Score:2)
Re:Classic Microsoft Strategy... (Score:2)
Fat chance, Nintendo's not planning on getting bought out by anyone, especially an American company. Nintendo's not some 10 year old Internet start up. Nintendo's old and the ghost of Yamauchi would haunt anyone who tried anything so stupid.
Sony's making a mistake that MS is capitalizing on (Score:3, Insightful)
Sony is trying to push their High def DVD standard so as to gain acceptance and market share. They are constantly trying to introduce new formats to gain acceptance. However, their latest standard is not exciting. We are still using DVDs and still want to use DVDs, we don't need a high def standard any time soon.
The mistake is trying to entrench the standard by basically making the console overpriced. That will drive marketshare to Xbox, who already is out ahead with consoles and games in the next generation, despite the overheating issues. The console now costs as much as a midrange PC which is ridiculous, and now they are competing for people's money who are trying to consider if they want a PC or an PS3.
Sony's only hurting themselves. Hopefully Nintendo will get some benefit out of this in marketshare and more people and games will come to their console.
Sony may be trying to be honest about prices. (Score:2)
Microsoft introduced the 360 at an artificially low price and the product vanished. Prices are still high. I found a 360 for a shade under $500 at Costco [costco.com] Pricewatch has one offer at a $508.
Sony's saying the price is going to be $500 - right where the 360 is right now. When Microsoft finally delivers a $360 at the advertised $300 then, and only
What, ebay again? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do people keep trotting out those ebay prices, as if they were statistically significant? How many people actually paid $700 for their $400 hardware? 1000, out of 3,000,000 so far, if that? 0.03% isn't much of a market.
If Sony were to launch at a price that wasn't artificially low, they'd have an extremely disappointing launch and a con
different demographics, though (Score:4, Insightful)
My housemate has an Xbox 360.
He's a bearded, long-haired, late-twenties guy who can usually be found swigging a can of Strongbow [bulmer.com] while he blows seven shades of hell out of *whatever* on his Xbox.
I could imagine him doing exactly the same thing if it were a PS3. However, I just can't see him rushing out to buy a Wii so that he can wave his arms around like a demented orchestral conductor to the tune of 'Bubble Bobble'.
He's just not the type, and he'd only end up knocking his can of cider over.
I reckon the intersection of 'possible Xbox 360 gamers' and 'possible PS3 gamers' is a lot larger than either of the two intersected with 'possible Nintendo Wii hand-wavers'. Regardless of the low price point of the Wii.
PS3 for Consumers? Gotta go with Microsoft on this (Score:2)
Re:Sorry for the pun (Score:2, Interesting)
Nintendo has really set themselves apart. Whether people buy two or not, a lot of people are going to be buying the Wii. It will be the console to have and then people will have to decide which other one they get.
It's not surprising that MS would side with Nintendo. In fact, it's a good sign for Nintendo. Last round MS practically ignored Nintendo thinking they weren't a threat, when in reality Son
Re:Oh yeah, one more thing: TFA is wrong. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Oh yeah, one more thing: TFA is wrong. (Score:2)
Re:Oh yeah, one more thing: TFA is wrong. (Score:2)
Re:Oh yeah, one more thing: TFA is wrong. (Score:3, Informative)
Nope. [bestbuy.com]
The core is $299, the "regular" is $399. There are bundles that go even for $800+, but that's not the point.
and that's without the HD-DVD.
For now. MS is already losing money on the XBOX hardware, they'll add an HD-DVD player when the time comes, right now most people don't even have HD-TV, why would you need the HD-DVD? Not to mention games will also be more expensive for HD-DVD since the disks cost more.
Plus, Sony's online play is free,
Sony ha
Re:Is that my cow? (Score:2)
He is Foul Ole Ron!
That's not my daddy!
... haven't laughed out loud at a book for a while, but that did it all right :-)
Re:Getting a lot for thier money!? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is one of two things:
I may be a Nintendo fanboy, but I am a capitalist first. Wii...
Re:Getting a lot for thier money!? (Score:3, Interesting)
And, let's face another reality. The Toshiba HD-DVD player is the flagship HD-DVD product, the very definition of fodder for early adopters. It won't be long at all before other companies join the fray and those prices are going to come down.
You have a good point (Score:3, Interesting)
As you point out, it costs $500 for a Toshiba HD-DVD player. What you neglected to mention was that if you want a BR player you have to pay more. If you look across the range of BR and HD-DVD players announced, the BR simply cost more.
Now for BR to beat HD-DVD they need to get more players out there, and more people buying movies in that format. Sony are currently undercutting all their BR licensees with the PS3 - they really really can't be happy abou
Re:Getting a lot for thier money!? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Getting a lot for thier money!? (Score:2)
So yeah, Blu-Ray is just for movies. And I like my games to have more game and less movie in them, though that's just me.