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Jack Thompson Files Take-Two, Rockstar Lawsuit

Posted by samzenpus on Tue Aug 15, 2006 08:22 PM
from the think-of-the-children dept.
rtt writes "Jack Thompson is back on the video game scene and has followed through with his threat to file a law suit against Rockstar, Take-Two and Walmart for Rockstar's upcoming "Bully" title. bit-tech was sent a copy by the man himself which started as follows "Take-Two has until five o'clock p.m., Eastern time, Monday, August 14, 2006, to inform me in writing that it will forthwith provide me with a copy of Bully so that I and others can analyze it to determine whether it still poses a threat of copycat violence in our schools.""
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  • So, um (Score:5, Funny)

    by ZorbaTHut (126196) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:27PM (#15915518) Homepage
    Why doesn't he just buy one himself?

    Seems easier on everyone's behalf.
      • by Amouth (879122) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:41PM (#15915606)
        "me with a copy of Bully so that I and others can analyze "

        Assumeing that A means one.. did he just publicly emit that he plans on comitting copyright violation by either making copies and passing them out OR conducting a public preformace of a copyrighted work.

        me things someone needs to send him a nasty gram
  • by Larry Lightbulb (781175) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:27PM (#15915519) Homepage
    So that I and others can analyze it to determine whether it still poses a threat of copycat luxury car driving in our schools.
  • by brownaroo (682715) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:28PM (#15915527)
    Awsome - Rockstar have a new game - might check it out
  • by Reality Master 201 (578873) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:28PM (#15915528) Journal
    Seriously, nobody gives a shit about him.

    He's a self-promoting moralistic jerkoff. Stop giving him air by paying attention to him.

    • by RsG (809189) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:36PM (#15915575)
      The problem is the people who take him seriously and agree with him. Sometimes ignoring the opposition isn't the solution - you must speak out and denounce them.

      With Jack, ignoring him will merely be taken as a sign that you either cannot counter his flimsy arguements, or else that you agree with him. He may be the worlds biggest troll, but he's considered credible by politicians and the media, and that makes him more dangerous than most crackpots.
  • by Vengeance (46019) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:29PM (#15915533)
    when I invite Jack to take a nice vacation in the Sun. I mean physically inside the generally accepted diameter of the star.
  • Wait... how can you bring someone to court for something before they didn't do it? He is saying that rockstar has practiced fraud in the games advertising and be brought up with the "Florida nuisance law" and his evidence in this is that they haven't sent him a copy.

    This has to be thrown out of court.
  • by CanSpice (300894) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:34PM (#15915559) Homepage
    Remember that old story about some tech support guy who, upon asking a user to send him a copy of a floppy disk, received a piece of paper with the floppy disk photocopied on it?

    Rockstar should do that.
  • oh lordy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nomadic (141991) <nomadicworld AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:36PM (#15915577) Homepage
    Now we'll have 5000 posts screaming about this, most of them adding nothing to the argument. Why preach to the choir? Can someone explain it to me? Do people just like patting each other on the back?

    To file a lawsuit you need a small amount of money. That's it. This doesn't mean anything. Trust me. They have no standing, they have no legitimate cause of action, this will go nowhere. Just calm the hell down people.
  • "Take-Two has until five o'clock p.m., Eastern time, Monday, August 14, 2006, to inform me in writing that it will forthwith provide me with a copy of Bully so that I and others can analyze it to determine whether it still poses a threat of copycat violence in our schools"


    Takes a serious ego to think you have the right to make such a demand from a company, simply because you've set yourself up as the one to make sure video games aren't too violent.

    I'd love to see Take-Two to tell him to take a flying leap.
  • The language from his suit is designed for media consumption, not to sway a judge.

    Here's a random clip from his statement of facts:

    21. Take-Two is fraudulently and deceptively marketing this game not only because it desperately needs the cash from the sale of this controversial game, whose release has been delayed for over a year in large part because of the efforts of the undersigned petitioner, but also because controversy still swirls about the Bully game, and Take-Two is Hell-bent to defuse it.

    Lawyers vary in how they make their statements of fact, but a long litany of statements like this make you sound unhinged and guilty of gross hyperbole. Maybe that's why he's been so stupendously unsuccessful [wikipedia.org] in all of his anti-game lawsuits.

    I also wonder at the letter he sent to Take-Two and Wal-Mart. The opening paragraph certainly sounds like a bald attempt at extortion [wikipedia.org]. He's already skated on thin ice with the Florida Bar and with various judges. I wonder how much longer he'll be able to push the envelope with these vague and poorly constructed lawsuits before he gets nailed to the wall for it.

  • by Guysmiley777 (880063) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:45PM (#15915626)
    So how do you fight Jack? Well first off all you don't fight him directly. He's like the fucking Candy Man. Mention his name and you give him power. Arguing with him is a waste of time. Jack or someone like him will always be there beating their chest and begging for air time. You'll never change his mind. What you can change is the validity of his arguments and we don't do that during a televised debate.

    ...

    All we have to do, is not be who he says we are.

    -Gabe out


    I really wholeheartedly agree. Giving him attention when he pulls this stupid crap is not going to make him go away. He's an attention-whoring lunatic. He WANTS us to get worked into a tizzy.
  • Bzzt, Wrong Answer (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kawahee (901497) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:49PM (#15915643) Homepage Journal
    I'd like to see this on a Take Two/Rockstar press release:

    A warning for those of you lazy self absorbed and/or just plain inattentive parents: All the censorship in the world won't make up for bad parenting if your child is more influenced by our games than by Mommy & Daddy, both you and your offspring have much bigger problems than the gameplay. So before you go hauling us or any other studio into court, look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if you did the best you could, because if you're considering taking us to court, you didn't.

    Inspiration for above [wikipedia.org]
  • Enough is enough! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dreamchaser (49529) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:55PM (#15915682) Homepage Journal
    Lazy parents. That's the problem, not violent content in games. If parents would actually PARENT their kids instead of being all self absorbed and/or just wanting to 'be their friend'. The vast majority of parents are lazy, do not want to take responsibility for their children's actions, and pay little if no attention to raising them properly. As a parent of a teenager I can say it makes my job all the harder too.

    Instead of going after media (games, movies, whatever), why not focus on the ONLY place where social problems can be adequately addressed...the HOME.
    • I think he just wants a free copy. I mean, who wouldn't?
      • I think he just wants a free copy. I mean, who wouldn't?

        Personally, I kind of want him to win, so I can demand free stuff from every company in the world, and threaten a law suit. That'd be sweet.

        Seriously, this just shows that he think he is above the law, and everybody else is below it. He just can't accept the concept of fairness, if he thinks he has any right to demand that a corporation give him something for free. Especially given that he cites a school board resolution as if that were a major legal binding precident...

        Some of my favorites in his crazy person rant:
        21. Take-Two is fraudulently and deceptively marketing this game not only because it desperately needs the cash from the sale of this controversial game, whose release has been delayed for over a year in large part because of the efforts of the undersigned petitioner, but also because controversy still swirls about the Bully game, and Take-Two is Hell-bent to defuse it.

        Because, you know... No video game in the history of the world ever shipped late, except because of his crusade. It can't possibly be related to needing more time to finish the game. Crazy people like him think they are winning great victories whenever anything happens.

        29. Florida Congressman Jeff Stearns, who recently chaired hearings in the United States House of Representatives, discovered how thoroughly flawed the video game rating system is, as the ESRB is actually paid for and operated, in effect, by the video game industry itself. This is a classic case of the fox guarding the chickens. Congressman Stearns has now introduced to Congress a Bill called the "Truth in Video Game Ratings Act" largely because of the illicit collaboration between the ESRB and Take-Two.

        Right... Thank god for the Federal Book and movie censors... Because, you know, the MPAA isn't funded by movies. And, why the hell is nobody even bothering to ask the industry to self regulate books? I can read a graphic description of horrible bestiality gang bang child rape and decapitation with a chain saw without having to show ID. But, 30 polygons try to do it doggy style, and it's the end of the world.
    • by RsG (809189) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:31PM (#15915548)
      Not that I agree with ole' Jackass, but how does that make things different? To devils advocate for a moment, people like JT are the ones who blame things like the Columbine shootings on video games, and that was related to bullying (in that the perpetrators were themselves bullied and perceived their actions to be revenge).

      In Thompsons warped view of the world, games make children violent. This isn't a particularly rational viewpoint, but his actions here are consistant with it. What does he care that the game doesn't condone bullying? It's a Rockstar game (which he hates), and it's violent (which gives him a chance to get up on his soapbox and preach).
      • Re:AOL Response (Score:5, Insightful)

        by h0tblack (575548) on Tuesday August 15 2006, @08:58PM (#15915702)
        Give him a copy early and get him to sign a nice solid NDA. Then sit back and wait for him to be unable to control himself and spew forth the special brand of vitriolic fervour that we've come to expect in his game 'reviews'.

        Then sue him for slander, breach of NDA (assuming any of his comments are even vaguely related to the game, which may be tricky) and soak up even more free publicity.

        Profit...