Wired Dissects Sony as PS3 Effort Falters 379
PetManimal writes "Wired has an excellent analysis of Sony as it struggles to overcome the failures of the 1990s and make the PS3 live up to its promise. Sony is counting on the PS3 turning around the company's fortunes, but it may have been too ambitious. Besides being hamstrung with an unusual company culture that emphasizes small hardware teams and proprietary formats, Sony's efforts to make the PS3 kill several birds with one stone and appeal to a wider customer base is turning off the PS3's core support network: gamers. From the article: 'Then there was the decision to build Blu-ray into the PlayStation 3. Sony's logic seemed ironclad: Not only would the hi-def drive's huge storage capacity allow for far-more-realistic and complex games, the PS3 would carry Blu-ray into millions of households and drive sales of HDTVs as well. As it turned out, however, Blu-ray has done nothing good for the PS3. Blu-ray was the main reason gamers weren't able to get the new machine last spring: The launch had to be postponed because the new format's digital rights management system did not yet satisfy every Hollywood studio.'"
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http://news.com.com/Let+the+PS3+games+begin/2008- 1 043_3-6110352.html [com.com] From Cnet news
"We look at our products having a 10-year life cycle, which we've proven with the PlayStation. Therefore, the PlayStation 3 is going to be a console that's going to be with you again for 10 years."
I wonder if the PS3 will be a better price in four year when the PS2 is through its 10 year life cycle?
Of course, I don't think Wired's article is all doom and gloom. Really, it's just pointing out Sony
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Great, Sony vs. Microsoft (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Great, Sony vs. Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Great, Sony vs. Microsoft (Score:5, Interesting)
This is more insightful then you know. It's the only gaming company left that doesn't have some ulterior motive. Sony wants the PS3 to push its bluray format into every living room. Then you have Microsoft battling that by siding with the HDDVD camp, cuz THEY also have interest in the "living room".
Meanwhile, Nintendo wants to make games, and fun ones at that. You can argue it's motive is to try to tie in the DS and sell more of those (or vice versa). But at least it's still game related.
I for one am siding with Nintendo on this one, and not only because I'm a Nintendo fanboy, but because I want my gaming to not be affected by some stupid political battle of the formats. I don't want to be caught in the middle of a format war that no good can come of.
Re:Great, Sony vs. Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)
Are you kidding? The only reason Nintendo can't be said to have an ulterior motive is because they have no leverage with which to accomplish any ulterior goal. Am I the only one who remembers the draconian censorship policies and ludicrous licensing fees that existed back when Nintendo was the only store on the block?
Nintendo is a heartless corporation, same as the other two. You don't notice only because it has been mostly irrelevant for the past decade. I might not be rooting for Sony or Microsoft, but I'm sure as hell not rooting for Nintendo.
Rob
Nintendo was the bully when it was king (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, I think (maybe more along the lines of "hope") that the Nintendo of today is far different than the bully of years past. But to all the fanboys who think that Nintendo can do no wrong, they need to remember that these are still corporations we're talking about. Not people. They all will do what it takes to make money. Part of it, though, does mean treating customers with respect, and doing the right things for gamers, so that they'll come back to you time and time again. I think that's what Sony has lost (and arguably, that's what toppled Nintendo back then too).
Re: Nintendo is different under Iwata. (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not saying 'they can do no wrong', but Yamauchi retiring was a good thing for their company.
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Rob
Re: Nintendo is different under Iwata. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, no kidding! It's like that other gimmicky thing they came up with that was supposed to appeal to non-gamers... the, whatsitcalled, the... DS! Yeah, that's it! Man, where's that ridiculous thing, now, I wonder...
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Rob
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Put another way, the success of the GBA doesn't explain why the DS has gone from "gimmicky" to cool, and has gone from a device that a GBA owner might buy to something a DS owners' mom wants.
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So what? The DS' stylus was still called a useless gimmick, the PSP was coming with a better screen, a higher resolution and much better 3D processing (no batteries though).
As soon as the PSP was released people started shouting that Nintendo was deadn that the DS was ugly, bulky, and had awful graphics.
Want to see the result? Here are the top 10 japanese game sales for Aug 21 - Aug 27:
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Both of which were primitive technology compared to what we have today being used with platforms that really didn't benefit from the device. In this world of 3D gaming and high quality motion sensors, something like the Wiimote makes a *lot* more sense.
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Rob
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The marketshare of the previous system has a massive impact on developers' perceptions of the new system. Only three companies have had huge losses of marketshare between generations:
1. Atari (Atari 2600->Atari 7800): The Video-Game Crash of 1984 happene
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Uh. No?
That widely varies with the people you poll, the Wii is either extremely liked or extremely disliked (due to debatable and nearly not shown graphic abilities)
By your declaration, the GC should've been less powerful that the PS2. An
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Are you kidding me? That's the most incredible viral marketing campaign ever to hit the console industry! I swear, my dog knows what the Wii is, thanks to all the juvenile jokes that are spread about it.
The name is accomplishing its intended purpose. To advertise to folks who are traditionally "non-gamers". And it's managing to harness viral marketing without directly making Nintendo look juvenile. (A big problem with a lot of the viral ma
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Seven words: Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid
Anacondas Opening Weekend
- $12,812,287 (USA) (29 August 2004) (2,905 Screens)
- £194,597 (UK) (14 November 2004) (157 Screens)
Motherfn' Snakes on the Motherfn' Plane Opening Weekend
- $15,206,301 (USA) (20 August 2006) (3,555 Screens)
- £1,069,608 (UK) (20 August 2006) (354 Screens)
Obviously the hype has had some effect. When the movie is out of the theaters
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I don't think (s)he was kidding. Nintendo had no ulterior motive than making profit, by trying to monopolize as much of the gaming market for itself. Why did Nintendo experiment so many "unusual" gaming devices ? Simple: to attract as many customers as possible, grabbing them before less inovative competitors. Somtimes, it was a huge success (Gameb
Re:Great, Sony vs. Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)
Hello? Video Game Crash of '83/'84 mean anything to anyone? What caused the crash? Too many poor quality cartridges hitting the market. What did Nintendo's contracts require? A limited number of cartridges per publisher.
You also seem to forget that Nintedo was the first company to embrace third parties rather than tolerate them. Atari never liked Activision and IMagic. Mattel and Coleco wanted all the profits to themselves. Nintendo said, "sure, sign on the dotted line."
Re:Great, Sony vs. Microsoft (Score:4, Interesting)
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Controlling devices in your house by doing stuff with in a game for example?
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Actually, according to Microsoft (several times) the HD-DVD add-on will never be used for games, period, end of discussion. See reference material here [gamerscoreblog.com] and here [hdbeat.com] and here [gamepro.com], just to show a few examples.
Aside from that, I agree with your post. MS isn't doing this to promote a format as much as they're doing it to spur more sales of their console. $600 for an HD-DVD
Re:Great, Sony vs. Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
Just for the record. (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_radio [wikipedia.org]
Re:Just for the record. (Score:5, Funny)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_radio [wikipedia.org]
This sounds like a truthiness challenge. I'd say Sony is TI's Portugal.
First to market != invented (Score:2)
RCA had demonstrated a prototype transistor radio as early as 1952 and it is likely that they and the other radio makers were planning transistor radios of their own.
Granted, RCA was also an American company, but it did not do it with the help of TI.
Re:Just for the record. (Score:4, Informative)
They may have not "invented" it persay but they did make the first transistor radio to use all miniature components. It's just like Edison...he didn't invent the light bulb...just perfected it ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_b
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The first transistor radio sold to the public was the Regency TR-1. Sony didn't get into the market until three years later. They made a good product and it is popular with collectors but it would be like saying Oldsmobile invented the automobile.
The transistor radio became a mainstream consumer item only when companies in Taiwan and Hong Kong started producing the super cheap little radios that you often see in sixties sitcoms.
Sony story (Score:2)
Can anyone confirm or refute this story?
Blah... (Score:3, Insightful)
I would like to call this the inverse internet expert principal or IIEP (in short the louder and more athoritative the armchair expert is the less accurate they become) but not only is the acronym probably taken... I don't think it is a new idea.
Blah... Why do I care? I'm mostly a PC gamer.
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If anything is irrational here, it's this statement:
Reminds me of a song by a little-known rock band I've listened to, called, The Who, you should listen to it sometime.Can we declare Nintendo winners yet? (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, they were 3rd in the USA, but world-wide they were 2nd, just a bit ahead of the Xbox. Given their larger marketshare when you take the Nintendo DS into account (marketshare, i.e. which % of console(s) owners have a Nintendo system), you have to wonder what the future holds for Microsoft (still in the red with the whole Xbox division) and Sony (betting it all on the PS3, which seems to be a failure before it even starts).
Who cares? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Nintendo has ALWAYS dominated the handheld market, that didn't help them in the past. So that completely invalidates that point.
Nintendo can not jump to first for many reasons. They still have the kiddy image. Their control scheme may turn out to just be gimmicky (I know, people said the same thing about the DS and it worked out, but still could be true for the Wii). Have no idea what kind o
Re:Can we declare Nintendo winners yet? (Score:4, Insightful)
They weren't. During the respective lifespans of the consoles, 21 million GameCubes were sold versus 24 million Xbox.
Now benefit-wise, Microsoft lost $2b while Nintendo once again racked in profits.
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Then how do you explain the success of the PS2, despite its crappy 3D? Because let's face it, except for a handfull of games such as the Gran Tourismo serie, the Gamecube is far superior to the PS2 in terms of graphics (and so was the Dreamcast, at least in terms of resolution).
As for first person shooters, I never understood how people could play these games with stupid analog sticks a
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For valve's games, GTA, graphics, processing power, and FPSs I have a PC. Why would I pay for a 2nd, overpriced PC to attach to a low-res monitor and play with substandard controls?
I'll probably get a Wii, mostly for the virtual console so I can play all my old favorites without needing multiple boxes attached, without using PC emulators and having to find roms. But I lost interest in most consoles after the SNES & Genesis
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Personally, knowing Nintendo, I would bet that the Wii controller works very well. Nintendo, for all their faults, usually doesn't mess around when it comes to the hardware. Right now developers are saying to themselves,
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We are three month away from launch, not a year, not two years, if they still havn't figured out how to actually use the controller correctly for all the games that will get released, which most information seems to hint, then thats a very bad sign. The Wii controller isn't an added gimmick like the motion sensing in the PS3 cont
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Which is why the controls were fully redone and "real" sword system was implemented post-E3 due to popular request.
Hello? We're talking about Nintendo here, the gameplay freaks that will fine-tune everything until they're
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And yet people complained how they couldn't aim at the TV screen at E3, but instead head to aim below it to actually hit something. So if Nintendo can't get it right for presentation, I am not sure if JoeSmuck gamer will have a lot more luck with it, especially since calibration in 3d space is simply a lot more complicated then 2d one on analogsti
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You havn't [sic] seen much to indicate that it IS the case, either.
There already has been a lot of disapointment when people found out that RedSteel didn't have real sword fighting
And Ubisoft has responded by reworking the swordfighting engine to more closely track the user's movement. It's not "real" by any stretch, but gamers don't want "real"; they want to hack and slash.
what happens if you put the contr
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That would also be the main reason to bet against the Wii. So you're back to Square One.
you can not judge an early build of a game on the polish of the control mechanism
You also can't judge the viability of a controller based on a fifteen-minute demo at E3, but that's what a lot of Nintendo fanboys are doing.
Rob
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Red Steel was the first official Wii titel that we got to see, so I would have expected that they've shown us the best they have, if however *that* was the best they have, poor Ninten
My daily naive question (Score:5, Interesting)
Blu-ray was the *main* reason? So, otherwise, they were basically ready to launch before May? So, a bunch of launch titles had *already* been completed by developers and should have had full functionality at E3, and it's possible to send reviewers ready-for-gaming (but crippled) PS3s with these games? And the "tilt controller" was ready to go then?
Is it just me, or were several other equally important issues preventing the Spring launch?
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Where can I buy one of these PC controllers that detect absolute position, not relative motion?
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The PS2 is flying off the shelves in all territories even during these usually slow Summer months. Sony could have launched in Spring without the upgraded HDMI spec and with smaller numbers of PS3s to stores. And obviously with less games, but the insane sales of the PS2 have given them the luxury of being able to chose their launch time. People like to claim the "Nextgen doesn't start until we say so" talk by Sony was j
Re:My daily naive question (Score:5, Informative)
Not inconsistant or wrong (Score:4, Interesting)
Yes, and yet the PS2 STILL managed to outsell the 360 every month except I think for last Christmas, which is what the original poster was saying. Even despite that drop the PS2 is selling in very large numbers.
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The Great AC Sony Astroturfer!
It feels like so long since I've seen anything from you, I'd feared you'd given up the job!
No one would blame you if you had, it must be hard to come up with arrogant sounding pro-Sony stuff when so much continues to go wrong with Sony. Thankfully, you're skills at putting together authoritatively worded yet completely illogical defenses of Sony's fumblings is completely undiminished.
Let's see here:
You're contending that Sony is intentionally delaying t
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I disagree - 8 GB is more than enough for now (Score:3, Insightful)
Want to see the future? Take a look at 'Spore' from EA/Maxis. I think it's The Next Big Thing. The sheer amount of gameplay is amazing - and I'll bet it's not over 4 GB.
Myth (Score:5, Insightful)
The real winners in the Sony-Nintendo-Microsoft battle for console supremacy: on-line advertisers and opinion columnists.
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No shit. And the websites that repost their drivel.
Yeah, it's all BluRay's fault (Score:4, Insightful)
Wouldn't that mean that Hollywood is the main reason the PS3 isn't out now?
Rob
Yes, Sony is Satan (Score:2, Funny)
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Microsofts Lead (Score:3, Interesting)
One thing I'm curious about. I wonder if one reason MS delayed shiping the 360 with an HD-DVD drive was to see if Blue-Ray would come out on top over HD-DVD and make sure that they didn't support the losing side prematurely. Basically, even though MS says they are commited to HD-DVD, if it flops they could just put Blue-Ray drives in the 2nd gen 360s instead.
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Nope. There were two reasons Microsoft decided to go DVD instead of HD-DVD for the 360: The first is the obvious one, which is cost. They were already looking at an expensive device with the new CPU, graphics and continued inclusion of a hard drive - this had already caused them to
Rather biased title here, no? (Score:2)
I don't think the original article describes the PS3 effort as 'faltering' so much as 'really risky'.
Is It Me (Score:2)
I'm the last person who's going to sit singing Sony's praises, but let's be real here. The damn thing hasn't even been released yet, and we are seeing articles / summaries all over the place telling us how the PS3 has failed, and how they've made huge mistakes with the console.
Perhaps they have, but don't under-estimate the average consumer. The PSX and the PS2 were massive successes, and Playstation has become a brand nam
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It's also worth pointing out that no major operation ever proceeds without "mistakes". I scare-quote "mistakes" because a lot of mistakes are often pretty subjective, too; for instance, it's too early to say that "Bluray is a mistake" because given that the console hasn't come on to the market yet, it could yet be every bit the success Sony is hoping for. But no major operation proceeds without more-or-less objective mistakes being made, too.
Merely pointing ou
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Meh. There's no point in arguing if you're going to show common sense!
(Great post BTW)
Is there any way to blame Microsoft for this? (Score:3, Funny)
Throw me a bone, dammit! I AM trying....someone HELP me!
failures of the 1990's? (Score:2)
Sorry, what? I admit I only skimmed the article, but I don't recall Sony's video game business in the 90's being any kind of failure. I can clearly remember the whole video game community having itself a good hearty laugh when it was first announced that Sony wanted to sell its own video game console. Many tried to challenge the market domination of Nintendo and Sega before, and all had failed. Then the Playstation
Sony's fortunes (Score:2)
So Sony, who owns motion-picture studios, music labels, and manufactures sh!tloads of consumer electronics gear besides the PlayStation line, is depending on the PS3 to reverse its downward slide? Anybody know what percentage of Sony's profits come from PS sales? Can it even be broken down that far, or is it just lumped in with the other consumer electronics gear?
Sorry, I have a hard time believing that just one product can
Stringer is the wrong man for the job (Score:4, Insightful)
His answer shows his thinking. All he knows is media. He has no idea that the media division is crippling the hardware. If it weren't for Sony's disdain for mp3s, they could have easily came out with an MP3 player and beaten the iPod. That's worth more than a whole year's worth of blockbuster movies.
Blame Howard Stringer and his media cronies for infecting Sony. They've helped their positions by helping the media division at the expense of Sony's core strength - electronics.
Sonys biggest problem (Score:4, Insightful)
Sony seems to have an extremely entrenched philosophy that says that the only way they can do well is to lock in the customer. Like the article touched on, the beta wars, the memory card wars, the mp3 wars... This attitude is amplified by their music division, and they do their utmost to lock the customers into proprietary formats. Putting this in front of giving their customers what they want is what is really killing Sony.
It is a long time since I stopped buying Sony products, even though they do have really great stuff. I also actively discourage other people from buying Sony. They promote mp3 players that dont play mp3? What the f#%k!
It is sad, but I think the unhealthy business attitude runs so deep in the company that there is no turning back. Personally I agree with the conclusion. For me its going to be the Wii.
-TN
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Re:State of Sony's PS3 (Score:5, Insightful)
Gamespot, GameFAQ, Penny Arcade, PVP, all of them think the PS3 is a white elephant. A bunch of people in the traditional early adopter group say they'll buy it, "eventually, when the price comes down".
All together, it looks like It's going to be Microsoft and/or Nintendo in the lead, with Sony left in the dust.
Re:State of Sony's PS3 (Score:5, Insightful)
"sets are dropping in price like mad right now. Every electronic store is pimping 1080p sets with older sets getting pushed into the back. You will almost certainly be able to get a 1080p set for less than a grand by the start of next year. And here comes Sony with the cheapest 1080p HD BluRay player"
uhh yea ok buddy, dropping like mad. After checking bestbuy.ca and futureshop.ca I found 1 1080P HDTV and it was not 1000 bucks, it wasn't even close.. I've only seen a 1080p TV in a super high end audio/video store. And they didn't even have anything that could drive 1080p at the time. So I doubt this point has any merit what so ever for driving sales of the PS3.
another bad point
"HD-DVD sales are in the toilet, while Sony has been stockpiling hundreds of thousands of BluRay drives to launch in a couple million PS3s in November"
so they're stockpiling hundreds of thousands of bluray drives to launch a couple million PS3's. Anybody else see what's wrong with this statement? what about the other 1.5million PS3's that will supposedly be ready?
"Pre-orders are stronger than the 105+ million selling PS2 - and the demand is greatest for the 60gig/HDMI PS3"
Ah this must be the mystical 8-ball I was referring to. Where the hell did you get this information? Also NO MAJOR RETAILER HAS YET TO HAVE ANY PRE-ORDERS. Maybe it's different in Japan, but since I don't live there I can't comment on it.
Look, I want PS3 to be kickass, make me grill cheese and do my homework. But if they don't get they're shit together and stop being arrogant assholes they're going to fall like sega (Next gen doesn't start until we say so, ok buddy, piss off).
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1080P sets at 37" are now going for around $1300. Go to FRY's and look at their 1080P sets, and the blu ray disc. The Westinghouse is around $1,
Re:State of Sony's PS3 (Score:4, Insightful)
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As far as specs go, the parent is pretty much on the money, although I'm not sure if Sony has announced about things like 1080p over component, we haven't seen what their on-line system is, and "we" (as a community) feel a bit burned after the PS2's "Linux Support".
On the other hand
- backward compatibility is something that Sony HAS shown it "ge
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Jesus, I knew California had a high sales tax, but that's ridiculous.
Rob
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Not for a second.
If it drops the prices of the console by a third? How about yes?
Uh... you lost me there. You're not trying to imply that higher resolution + more storage = innovation are you? Cause if you were I've got bad news for you: my computer has 4 500Gb