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Guitar Hero World Tour Equipment Problems, Subscription Possibilities?
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on Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:53 PM
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Guitar Hero: World Tour's recent launch saw boxes of plastic instruments flying off store shelves, quickly selling out in many areas. Unfortunately, many players reported problems with the bundled drums sets, prompting Activision to release a drum "tuning" application and a free midi-USB cable to connect the instruments to a PC. Otherwise, reviews for the game have been largely positive, and MTV's Multiplayer Blog did an analysis of using Rock Band drums in GH:WT, and vice-versa. Kotaku looked at which set was louder, coming to the conclusion that while they sound different, decibel levels are very similar. The early success in sales for GH:WT caused Activision to say holiday demand may not be met, and that they're examining two methods in particular to develop the franchise: instrument upgrades (hopefully less ludicrous than Logitech's $250 axe) and the possibility of a subscription-based model for user-generated content. "[Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby] Kotick says that there are now 25,000 user generated tunes that have been created for the game, and projected 'up to 100,000 songs' by the end of this year."
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I wonder if we'll see a similar suit against Neversoft and Activision over the equipment problems related to the Guitar Hero World Tour launch.
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WT drums on PS3 issue? (Score:3, Informative)
No mention of the PS3 WT drums on RB compatibility issue? We have to make some noise if Rock Band is going to release the path Guitar Hero says is needed.
Re:WT drums on PS3 issue? (Score:5, Informative)
It's the same situation on the Wii. Guitar Hero: WT is incompatible with the Rock Band Wii drum kit. It's absolutely ridiculous for both platforms to not support these controllers, and reeks of a money grab by Activision.
For what it's worth, I've had less fun with Guitar Hero: WT than Rock Band Wii, gimped as it is. Hopefully Rock Band 2 Wii is at least as good as the previous installment, and DLC works as promised.
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pay us money to help us profit from your work (Score:5, Interesting)
a subscription for user-generated content? so Activision wants users to pay them money to share their self-created content?
why are mainstream game publishers run by such douche bags? it's not enough that users are adding value to their product by donating their time/creativity to create new content for the game, but now the game publisher wants to "monetize" this content by charging users for sharing their own songs with each other.
Re:pay us money to help us profit from your work (Score:5, Funny)
Why are mainstream game publishers run by such douche bags?
You haven't seen anything yet. [arstechnica.com]
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Re:pay us money to help us profit from your work (Score:5, Funny)
Why are mainstream game publishers run by such douche bags?
You haven't seen anything yet. [arstechnica.com]
Yeah. [slashdot.org]
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Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
>>> Why are mainstream game publishers run by such douche bags?
>> You haven't seen anything yet.
> Yeah.
Almost similar. Except that you don't have to pay to participate. ....) then it would definitally be cool - but paying for
You get an edge by paying.. now for GH I'm not even sure how they
distribute user tracks, but if the company made a way for it to
work in game and seamlessly (I saw people burning discs to play
customs
*all* access would be lame. Paying to get some tracks earlier
would add
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
: (
The quote from the exec and the sentiment from Ars Technica don't quite line up. You can have a "property" that provides income and development potential for a decade or more. You can develop that "property" without beating it into the ground.
*points to Half-Life* : D
Drumset (Score:3, Informative)
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SOOO agreed, considering my experience with the drummania drum sets available.
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Wait... is the game that good to justify hundreds of dollars for one instrument? AFAICT, most people play it for 1/2 an hour and get bored of it. Now, I'm not saying you didn't here..... but a little perspective may be in order.
Re:Drumset (Score:4, Insightful)
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Here are two choices of adapters:
http://www.rockband.com/users/sethmeisterg/gallery [rockband.com]
http://www.bytearts.com/midi/index.htm [bytearts.com]
Re:Drumset (Score:5, Funny)
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User-generated content to cost? (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean, it's not costing them to produce, and their own stuff means servers and bandwidth are already necessary, right?
I'm betting user-generated content will be finding its way onto bittorrent along with a crack for any kind of lock-in to the subscription service.
Re:User-generated content to cost? (Score:4, Interesting)
their own stuff means servers and bandwidth are already necessary, right?
Not quite. If the user generated content were free and being pulled from their servers, it's entirely possible (even likely imo) that the free content would be downloaded 2 to 3 times as much as the paid for content. In addition, they may be required by the distribution networks (xbox live, psn) to charge for additional content. Overall, offering user generated content for free risks that content's costs bleeding the profits dry.
Of course, the huge amount of free content would also be a driver for increased sales of their ridiculously priced peripherals, but to an executive it would probably seem like an easy decision.
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Unfortunately (Score:5, Funny)
the drum tuning application provided by Activision, which requires a 20 character code to install, only came with 19 characters.
Activision did, however, suggest a work-around. "To do this, simply enter your existing code, and then for the last character, try the letters A-Z, and then the numbers 0-9. You should eventually get the right combination, and be able to install the applicatin."
Re:Unfortunately (Score:5, Funny)
bass snare bass snare tom tom cymbal snare snare cymbal bass bass cymbal tom snare tom snare snare cymbal rimshot.
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25,000 User generated songs... (Score:5, Funny)
24,500 of which are mario bros. related
495 which infringe on commercial bands
the other 5 are my 3 year old niece's random creations
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd also be willing to bet large amounts of money that the pattern the notes make as they come down will be the main focus of some
Tuning Kit? (Score:4, Interesting)
I could really use a USB MIDI adapter. I don't suppose anyone who doesn't need it wants to get one and sell it to me? Or for that matter, someone who only needs it once? It's about $40 shipped to get the M-Audio Midiman Uno, so it would have to be cheaper than that... On the other hand, if I just wait a year they should be all over Gamestop for like ten bucks. Anyway, this is a call to all slashdotters who have the kit and weren't thinking about getting the device: what were you thinking? You know you're going to want one someday.
The MIDI cable doesn't go two ways (Score:3, Informative)
I bought the kit (Score:5, Interesting)
The drums are a bit better to use in theory, but the sensitivity (out of the box) is too low. I really have to hit things above where I'm comfortable and it isn't forgiving if you had poor aim. I got a blood blister after some extended playing.
Using star power is random. Sometimes it gives it to you, often times it doesnt.
I ordered the USB-MIDI adapter to fix my drum kit. It came in 4 business days. My computer detects it but doesn't do anything with it. Its not an option on the drum controller drop-down and none of the MIDI options are substitutes. Restarting didn't help nor did disabling the other audio devices. It shows up under the device manager though and has a green light when connected. So... I can't fix it.
My guitar's strum broke today and has about a 5% chance of registering a downward strum now. The tap bar was always iffy with it, and the star power button used for muting was flat out inconsistent.
I broke part of the things used for holding the drum sticks by playing with them up. Don't do that.
Freak on a Leash is fun to play, a lot of the songs aren't though. They're long and repetitive. Whoever put Dinosaur Jr. in there should be shot.
Red Octane makes you pay to ship your defective device to them, with a copy of the receipt (mind you this game hasn't been out for 90 days). Its hard to find their warranty returns on their website. Here's a link:
http://www.redoctanegames.com/Warranty/USA/ [redoctanegames.com]
That is why I'm returning the kit to wal-mart, I dont feel like I should pay 12 dollars and take extra time out of my work day to drop off a package, then wait 3 weeks to get another potentially defective device.
World Tour has best equipment hands down (Score:4, Interesting)
I've used and played every single controller for Guitar Mania, Beat Mania, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band. I've used almost all the 3rd-party controllers for the PS2 and XBOX 360. I've played all the Bemani games in the arcade. I've even played the drum kit for Rock Revolution briefly.
In my opinion, World Tour has the best equipment currently available. The strum bar on their guitar is the best of any bemani-guitar, hands down. The World Tour drum kit, when properly tuned, is way better than the Rock Band or Rock Revolution drum sets. The ION Rocket drum set is probably better, but it's $300. The Logitech guitar might be good too (it isn't out yet) but it's $250 and only works on the PS2 and PS3.
This isn't just my opinion. My girlfriend is a pro drummer and guitar player and she agrees that the World Tour instruments are best.
Now as to the game itself, Rock Band 2 is better hands down for any number of reasons.
My advice? Buy the World Tour band kit and Rock Band 2 w/o the instruments. That's what I'm doing.
Re:$250? Pussies (Score:5, Funny)
I admire the extra indirection. Why settle for playing a console game which simulates playing a musical instrument? For just a little more cash you can use the console to approximate an arcade machine which simulates playing a musical instrument.
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When a simulation costs more than the real thing, surely you've got to wonder if there's a problem.