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Young whippersnappers! (Score:5, Funny)
I started my coding career on an ASR-33 Teletype with paper punch tape output and an acoustic coupler. So what is this "300 baud" you speak of? It sounds much too fast.
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Re:Young whippersnappers! (Score:5, Informative)
Three hogsheads worth.
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My 60/60mbit connection is $50 a month, most of the time it's idle, but when I need something, I want it at once, not in 5 hours.
Re:Young whippersnappers! (Score:4, Interesting)
Insane. I don't know if I'm speaking to what I did then or what I can do now. Or both!
Re:Young whippersnappers! (Score:5, Funny)
I started on a Babbage Engine 0.9. Had to pour warm oil on the adder to get it to work. And we liked it!
Re:Young whippersnappers! (Score:4, Funny)
The adder was ok with mineral oil. We had a rattlesnake as a temp for a while, but he was holding out for Oil of Olay.
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I started my coding career on an ASR-33 Teletype with paper punch tape output and an acoustic coupler. So what is this "300 baud" you speak of? It sounds much too fast.
Oh, you had telephony. Such luxury! When I started coding we saved and loaded our programs with a modified tape recorder and used hand-wired composite input to a 12 inch black and white television we bought at the appliance store. Able to actually communicate outside our home wasn't even a dream at that point. And we'd type in David Ahl's programs, all 1,200 lines of them, for fun. After that we went to work 25 hour shifts at the mill, eat broken glass and were run over by lorry drivers to put us to slee
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Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
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Show off! I started my coding career in Babbage's time. So, having anything other than a pen and paper or the telegraph is a luxury!
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At a certain point yer 'whip' doesn't do much if any snapping any more.
Latency is also important (Score:5, Informative)
A couple of years ago I moved from ADSL2 [wikipedia.org] to FTTC [wikipedia.org]. My download speed went from under 5Mbps to 40Mbps, the main noticable change was that I could stream download films without occasional pauses. However: the ping time to the first router at my ISP went from 22ms to 7ms -- that was the better change, interactive protocols became better and running X remotely stopped being painful.
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Re:Latency is also important (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Latency is also important (Score:5, Funny)
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Dude, your pawn is lagging. It just took one of my pawns that was right next to it. /En passant spike
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In Soviet Russia 1 ping was all that was needed!
Give me a ping, Vasily. *One* ping only, please.
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World of Warcraft is *NOT* the type of latency-intensive game alphaminus's friend was talking about. Attacks in WoW combat might as well be individual HTTP requests for all the urgency and accuracy they require. No, my friend, he is talking about games where reflexes are important at the wrists and fingertips, not just in sarcastic statements. Try playing any first-person shooter like or real-time strategy game with a 200ms ping and you're going to find winning except by fluke (sometimes the other person
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Crap, now I gotta get my Starcraft install up and running again!
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When playing PVE against mobs that have sudden death mechanics with sub 1 second cast times, having a latency of 200ms vs a US player on 20ms can make an enormous difference in the likelihood that you will avoid the attack. Just because it looks like you got out of the AOE on your screen does not mean the server gets the response in time for it to register that you were safe.
Add voice comms lag to calling changes to the raid and you are really screwed.
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Based in Melbourne I average about 210ms, it drops to about 180 on a really good night and can quite routinely sit above 270. I have raided where it got above 1second, but with current raid design that pretty much makes you dead weight the healers have to keep alive (if they can with so many sudden death mechanics) on the off-chance your ping comes good before the end of the encounter.
The Kiwis in our raid seem to average about 30ms better than we get on the other side of the Tasman. The guys in Brisbane se
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I get about 32mbps VoIP is great and I have never had citrix problems [outside of software bugs] I have a home office which I work from almost exclusively. I think my office at the company's building is probably covered in dust and cobwebs.
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X is slow even on busy LANs. I have had no troubles running xvnc on 1 Mbps links with 40 ms latency for more than 10 years.
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How many of those are available that doesn't look like an app from the Disco days.
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How many of those are available that doesn't look like an app from the Disco days.
Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk.
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I have 100 Mbit down and about 50 Mbit up. Latency is as follows: 20-30 ms to rest of EU, 25-40 ms to Russian servers, between 70 and 150 ms to USA and over 200 ms to AU (which is kind of expected).
FYI I live in Romania, where the network infrastructure is new-ish.
Comcast... (Score:5, Informative)
What i require is irrevelant. Because i have comcast.
I'm fucking damm lucky if it chooses to work any given day.
And all this for only $150 a month!
I really miss telephone line modems.
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Bonded ADSL FTW!
I recently just gave up Sonic.net Business Fusion Service. I got a too-good-to-ignore-deal from Cogent for 100Mb/s fiber, as they were trying to grab customers before Comcast moved into my building.
Other than the awesome Cogent deal, I had absolutely no reason to ditch Sonic. Awesome, affordable service; awesome customer service. I'm in San Francisco so I had 25Mb/s down and over 5Mb up for $89/month, which came to $130/month after taxes on the two phone lines (AT&T still makes Sonic pay
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Be aware that cogent are a wannabe teir 1. This means that if you single home with them you take the risk of being cut off from a substantial chunk of the internet not because of any technical problem but because they got into a peering dispute.
Re:Comcast... (Score:5, Informative)
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Or notional 46k dialup, where that was the best you could theoretically get. (similar to ADSL in many respects)
It was 56k dialup and that's correct, it was only theoretical. No one ever connected at 56k. Back in that day there were two competing standards K56Flex and USR. USR was the superior standard and I think it could connect every once in awhile at 52 or 53k if the line quality was pristine. I always thought it was funny how the USR 56k handshake always sounded like something bouncy.
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I remember that boing, boing bouncy sound well...
Ah my childhood (Score:3)
USR Bouncy sound: E boing E boing E yoink! quiet static, LOUDER STATIC, silence
Connected at 33.6, 48 or rarely 52K (never once saw 56)
AOL Logo
Something like Windows 8 startboard
YOU'VE GOT MAIL squeak
(Oops, I forgot to turn those speakers down. Games needed it louder to be heard.)
You kids go to bed, stop playing on the computer.
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ACHTUNG! Alles touristen und non-technischen peepers!
Das machine control is nicht fur gerfinger-poken und mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowen fuse, und poppencorken mit spitzensparken.
Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseenen keepen das cotten picken hands in das pockets, so relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.
Re:Comcast... (Score:4, Interesting)
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In 50 years people will be bitching that the holographic NPC's in their games don't behave *quite* like humans, and tactile feedback still requires wearing some gear.
There'll always be something to bitch about, and something to marvel about, in the march of technology.
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WTF kind of TV package do you have?
time warner even has a $90 TV + Internet package plus $15 in rentals + taxes. you can avoid the rental fees by buying your own stuff or using Roku or xbox
Upload? (Score:4, Funny)
I need both 100Mb down and 100Mb up. My ex had it back in 2004... in Japan. Nearly a decade later it's still a distant dream here.
FWIW I have 100/10. I get occasional letters from my ISP begging me to download less, but because they want to advertise as "unlimited" begging is all they can do.
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I'm in the same boat, but I rarely get 3 MB of the advertised 10... the ISPs tech support has been absolutely useless in getting this fixed.
I have Comcast, and when they signed me up, they insisted their posted speeds were MBps instead of Mbps. Guess what? instead of 30 megabytes per second download, I really only got 30 megabit per second download. It's sad when the only ISP available in your area doesn't know the difference between megabit and megabyte :(
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Where I live cable is the only option. ADSL doesn't work on my line.
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It's much bigger than the UK and has much more varies terrain. You can argue endlessly over details but the reality is a decade later and we don't have FTTP yet. Anywhere, except for a few test installations.
latency is a lot more important than bandwidth... (Score:5, Insightful)
I would rather be on 5mbps pinging 15ms to my office, for working remotely, than on 100mpbs with 100ms...
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Yes!!!
And AT&T DSL, with per-keystroke latency that I've measured as high as 17 seconds, is awful!-- much worse than a 300-baud modem. It reeks!/EM.
All the bandwidths (Score:2)
What I want and what I need... (Score:2)
I want gigabit. But 1-5 is plenty to meet my needs and I'm in the 5-10 range. The cable company recently offered to quadruple my speed for about $3/month but the house is just about sold so there seemed little point in changing.
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I can get gigabit, but the cost will be something like $140/month, so I stick with 10/100 for $50/month.
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We have ADSL2 which theoretically is up to 25Mb. I swear our old ADSL+ connection was more reliable and typically had faster speeds.
What I really want is a stable, reliable connection which is up when I want it (and not disconnecting during raid nights as it has been lately), that consistently gives 10Mb or better speeds. Consistent and reliable are the key if my ISP is listening.
I require infinite bandwidth (Score:3)
The only question is what I can afford.
I require what I pay for (Score:2)
6 megabits per second, no more, no less.
If I required more, I'd pay for more.
I'd like more, but I don't require it.
Require? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I answered with one step above what I have now, what I have now does fill almost all my requirements for a paid service, but could use a little bit more to do everything smoothly
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What is this poll asking? If internet access is "required", then less than 1Mbit satisfies most web/email. Streaming video requires more. Faster speeds just make downloads quicker. If asking what we prefer, then greater than 100MB would be the answer. It seems like most people are answering with what they have.
I decided to think of it this way, if I was moving today what kind of Internet connection would I require to be satisfied with it assuming it is available at normal market prices. Personally I decided that anything under 25 Mbps would now make me unhappy about it, so I went for 25-50 Mbits though I have 90 Mbit/s but that's just nice-to-have, not anything I require.
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What is this poll asking?
If internet access is "required", then less than 1Mbit satisfies most web/email. Streaming video requires more. Faster
speeds just make downloads quicker. If asking what we prefer, then greater than 100MB would be the answer. It seems like most people are answering with what they have.
I based my answer on my peak needs. Two computers, Netflix on the Apple TV streaming, and "cloud" backups running in the background. Now if there's anything to argue about, it's peak verses sustained.
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I marked "Less than 1 Mbp" because that is all I require. I don't *need* to stream movies, download videos, watch youtube videos, etc. I certainly like to do all those things, but I don't need to do them.
Of course, what I would love to have is "Over 100 Mbp". That would be awesome.
I want to play next next generation online games (Score:2)
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Enough to stream 720p for TV (Score:4, Funny)
Which I guess should be ~15-20Mbps
1080p would be nice, but I can't tell the difference.
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HD netflix isn't really what I'd call HD.
Blu-Ray data rates are over 30 Mbps. DVDs are over 18, typically. That's a combination of frame rate, scan lines/frame, pixels/scan line, bits/pixel, and compression losses. Nexflix is under 5 Mbps https://support.netflix.com/en/node/87 [netflix.com], so hardly HD, compared to Blu-Ray, or, even, DVD.
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I need.... sortof... (Score:2)
Ok, maybe need is a bit strong, I really really want it badly.
Of course, if I had it, I'd find a way to use it.
So would you.
>^_^<
Interesting results so far... (Score:2)
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The main problem is uplink and latency (Score:2)
The main problem is the uplink, that's what's usually congested. I could do just about everything I'd like to do if I had 16 MBit uplink.
trivial: whatever available (Score:2)
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Right, I just get whatever the max is. Currently it's 25 Mbps, although the pitiful 5 Mbps upspeed is more of an issue.
I'd rather have 15 up, 15 down.
Overachievers much? (Score:2)
Man I'm lucky if I get anything over 0.5MB. For that reason I have mostly forgot about streaming videos or music, and downloads are isolated to source code and the occasional distro every few months.
The result? I am infinitely more productive!
10/10, need 5/1 (Score:2)
I've got 10/10 Ethernet straight out of the wall here, but 5/1 would probably work fine for me as long as it's still a fixed price and no data limits.
Ha, you young uns have it easy! (Score:5, Funny)
Back in my day, we didn't have all this fancy-dancy copper wire fibery stuff! We had to throw black and white pebbles at each other from the backs of our galloping ponies in the middle of a buffalo herd to establish a connection. That's just the way it was and we liked it!
At least it was more reliable than Comcast.
"I don't know... AAUUUGGGHHH..." (Score:2)
Symmetric or asymmetric?
"Needs" vs wants. (Score:2)
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It also depends on what you do for a living; then it's a bit fuzzier. On one hand, the bare minimum of "need" would be: food + water + air(oxygen) + protection from elements + specific temperature band.
But your job helps you supply at least 3 of the above so if your job requires internet then it might fall into a "need." There are obviously other jobs you can do but it's not easy to just switch.
If you require home internet to do your job, then depending on your definition of "need" then you might need X b
Missing option (Score:2)
I live in Kansas City! What's a MB?
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I am looking at this poll, and people have stuck in their minds that wait times are acceptable. I don't know of anything besides webpages that load up fast with 10Mbps-25Mbps that people say is what they need.
I think the problem is the word "require". Require means what is needed to do what I am already doing. Anything that needs more than I can currently get is something I don't do. Hence, it can't "required". When I can get more bandwidth, I'm sure I will find a use for it and I won't want to go back to what I have now. For many people "how much bandwidth do you require?" is really just "how much bandwidth do you currently have?"
The exceptions would be
1) Those who, for whatever reason, can no longer get
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Re:Apparently people accept garbage. (Score:4, Insightful)
Newsflash: not everybody uses their Internet connection strictly to watch streaming videos, connect to online games or use websites that are filled with huge graphics or flash animations. And, for that matter, not all of us are downloading
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If you need it, you need it. Not a problem. The post I replied to appeared to be saying that everybody needed high bandwidth for things other than work, and I was pointing out that not everybody uses their home connections for bandwidth-intensive tasks. I also wrote that if your Internet needs include downloading large files, long flash animations or other similar things, by all means buy as big a pipe as you can afford. From what you write, yo
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I think this is always a question of costs. As an example I live in a country that's one of the most connected in the world (Estonia) and has relatively good connectivity throughout. However the house I bought was built in 2006 and the original land developer even though they had in their contract never actually lay down cable. So I have gas line, I have power, I have water, I have sewage. But I don't have a landline (copper or optical). At the time he was developing the region adding this would have been p
Re: Apparently people accept garbage. (Score:2)
they should be aiming for 10Gbps at home. Minimum.
Are you insane? The wiring inside most homes can't even do 1Gbps. In fact most homes have moved to wireless, which severely limits things, my wireless N router for instance is hard pressed to get beyond 12 MB/s in actual throughput. Give me a low latency 50 Mbps down / 25 Mbps up connection and i'll be content for a very long time.
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Apparently you haven't seen the charts. Facebook and cat pictures are #'s 2 and 3 behind porn.......
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Does that makes it Purrn?
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I really want to be
Re:can someone pls explain (Score:4, Funny)
I stopped reading when I saw "ur".
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There's not really a direct relationship between them, for example, a station wagon full of hard drives has high bandwidth and high latency. Latency measures time between a request being made and when it starts to be filled, bandwidth is how quickly it is filled after that.
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The only thing that might affect the latency is whether you are getting your 25Mb through copper or fibre, solely because fibre has a lower delivery latency than copper. But once you hit the POP the latency from there on up the pipeline would remain pretty much the same, so the benefit latency wise would be minimal (unless you were a really really long way from the exchange, which would probably be outside of Telstras supported areas).
One of the reasons gamers don't want satellite internet is that the laten
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300 baud? Sounds nice.
It sounds indeed... but only with acoustic couplers.
Re:300 baud? Sounds nice. (Score:4, Interesting)
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This version isn't that bad, but I still here "a dump truck full of FLOPPIES" and "DVDs" every now and then. In which case, I disagree with THAT version of the statement.
Sure, a dump truck of floppies might get the disks to your cross-country satellite office at a decent clip but then you just have a metric ton of floppies on the floor. You'd have to load all of that data onto the system to be useful and that takes a while.
As opposed to a Fiber setup: you're writing directly to the system and thus all of