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When it comes to (download) bandwidth needs, I require..

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Less than 1Mbps
  581 votes / 2%
1Mbps to 5Mbps
  2482 votes / 10%
5Mbps to 10Mbps
  3504 votes / 15%
10Mbps to 25Mbps
  5248 votes / 23%
25Mbps to 50Mbps
  3378 votes / 14%
50Mbps to 100Mbps
  2391 votes / 10%
Over 100Mbps
  2955 votes / 12%
Anything over 300 baud is a luxury
  2258 votes / 9%
22797 total votes.
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @05:59PM (#44558505)

    I started my coding career on an ASR-33 Teletype with paper punch tape output and an acoustic coupler. So what is this "300 baud" you speak of? It sounds much too fast.

    • How many of those will fit in my horse drawn carraige?
    • by Decker-Mage (782424) <> on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @12:10AM (#44561437)
      Shit, how many people remember what these TTY thangs in the device drivers are speaking of? I started out on punch-cards, paper-tape, mag-tape and honest to God IBM "Winchester" 30/30 (MB Fixed/Removable) disk-packs. Yep, anything over 300 Baud really is a luxury. I got quite good at screening the forum messages clipping along at 2400 Baud on CompuServe back when that was $24.95 an hour, but I was seriously impatient, and had waayyyy too much disposable cash, to get them any slower even with automated software.

      Insane. I don't know if I'm speaking to what I did then or what I can do now. Or both!
    • by Hartree (191324) on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @10:45AM (#44564691)

      I started on a Babbage Engine 0.9. Had to pour warm oil on the adder to get it to work. And we liked it!

    • by tgeek (941867)
      I'm old enough to remember and have used those ASR-33's as well. But my preferred terminal at the time was a DECwriter. Most of them at the uni I was at were only capable of 110 baud (Gandalf modems fault, not the DECwriter). So if I managed to sit down at one setup for 300 baud I was gonna do me some serious computin'!!!!!! There were a few 1200 baud units around, but the handshaking was so fubar'ed on those they were useless . . . Ah, the good ol' days!
    • by kheldan (1460303)
      You may joke, but my first experiences with computing were on an ASR-33 Teletype with paper tape punch and reader, and the very first computer I built (on perfboard) used the very same model teletype as it's terminal. It had integer BASIC in ROM, and the I/O routines to make it work were loaded from paper tape, after loading a bootstrap routine in via front panel switches a byte at a time. The fun thing about an old teletype is that since it was all mechanical, 10cps seemed faster than it was because the me
    • by ackthpt (218170)

      I started my coding career on an ASR-33 Teletype with paper punch tape output and an acoustic coupler. So what is this "300 baud" you speak of? It sounds much too fast.

      Oh, you had telephony. Such luxury! When I started coding we saved and loaded our programs with a modified tape recorder and used hand-wired composite input to a 12 inch black and white television we bought at the appliance store. Able to actually communicate outside our home wasn't even a dream at that point. And we'd type in David Ahl's programs, all 1,200 lines of them, for fun. After that we went to work 25 hour shifts at the mill, eat broken glass and were run over by lorry drivers to put us to slee

      • by aitikin (909209)
        Lies! Kids have been disconnected from Facebook. They understand that at some point their parents just hadn't set up their accounts quite yet when they were babies...
      • by Macgrrl (762836)

        Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

        And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

    • by mendax (114116)

      Show off! I started my coding career in Babbage's time. So, having anything other than a pen and paper or the telegraph is a luxury!

  • by Alain Williams (2972) <> on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @06:01PM (#44558529) Homepage

    A couple of years ago I moved from ADSL2 [] to FTTC []. My download speed went from under 5Mbps to 40Mbps, the main noticable change was that I could stream download films without occasional pauses. However: the ping time to the first router at my ISP went from 22ms to 7ms -- that was the better change, interactive protocols became better and running X remotely stopped being painful.

    • Yeah, I have a client that went from 10Mbps to 85Mbps, but their latency tripled and they started complaining about delay on their VoIP calls and dropped Citrix connections. I have a gamer friend who kept his Cable Modem over FiOS, because it had lower latency and he claimed that 10ms was enough to make the difference between being killed online and killing the other guy.
      • by Meski (774546)
        10mS? Bah. Running wow, 200mS world latency is a luxury. (from AU) 500 is playable.
        • by klingers48 (968406) on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @10:00PM (#44560707)
          200ms? Bah. Back in my day we used to play TFC with 400ms pings from Hobart to Melbourne across Bass Straight and we loved it. 15 miles and snow might also have been involved somewhere.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Narcocide (102829)

          World of Warcraft is *NOT* the type of latency-intensive game alphaminus's friend was talking about. Attacks in WoW combat might as well be individual HTTP requests for all the urgency and accuracy they require. No, my friend, he is talking about games where reflexes are important at the wrists and fingertips, not just in sarcastic statements. Try playing any first-person shooter like or real-time strategy game with a 200ms ping and you're going to find winning except by fluke (sometimes the other person

          • by Meski (774546)
            Hmm, it is important, perhaps not quite as important. PVP on Wow is far less fun here than US, unless you like dying a lot.
          • It seems to me that strategies that rely on millisecond timing aren't strategies at all. Might as well stand in the middle of the street, gunslinger style, and yell "draw".
            • by aitikin (909209)
              So a fifth of a second shouldn't matter in an RTS? Really?! Have you ever had a Zerg rush on you?

              Crap, now I gotta get my Starcraft install up and running again!
          • by Macgrrl (762836)

            When playing PVE against mobs that have sudden death mechanics with sub 1 second cast times, having a latency of 200ms vs a US player on 20ms can make an enormous difference in the likelihood that you will avoid the attack. Just because it looks like you got out of the AOE on your screen does not mean the server gets the response in time for it to register that you were safe.

            Add voice comms lag to calling changes to the raid and you are really screwed.

        • by Macgrrl (762836)

          Based in Melbourne I average about 210ms, it drops to about 180 on a really good night and can quite routinely sit above 270. I have raided where it got above 1second, but with current raid design that pretty much makes you dead weight the healers have to keep alive (if they can with so many sudden death mechanics) on the off-chance your ping comes good before the end of the encounter.

          The Kiwis in our raid seem to average about 30ms better than we get on the other side of the Tasman. The guys in Brisbane se

      • I get about 32mbps VoIP is great and I have never had citrix problems [outside of software bugs] I have a home office which I work from almost exclusively. I think my office at the company's building is probably covered in dust and cobwebs.

    • by ls671 (1122017)

      X is slow even on busy LANs. I have had no troubles running xvnc on 1 Mbps links with 40 ms latency for more than 10 years.

      • by wagnerrp (1305589)
        Bitmapped X is slow even on busy LANs. Properly written X applications work just fine over high latency links.
        • How many of those are available that doesn't look like an app from the Disco days.

          • by H0p313ss (811249)

            How many of those are available that doesn't look like an app from the Disco days.

            Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk.

    • I have 100 Mbit down and about 50 Mbit up. Latency is as follows: 20-30 ms to rest of EU, 25-40 ms to Russian servers, between 70 and 150 ms to USA and over 200 ms to AU (which is kind of expected).

      FYI I live in Romania, where the network infrastructure is new-ish.

  • Comcast... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @06:12PM (#44558659)

    What i require is irrevelant. Because i have comcast.

    I'm fucking damm lucky if it chooses to work any given day.

    And all this for only $150 a month!

    I really miss telephone line modems.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Bonded ADSL FTW!

      I recently just gave up Business Fusion Service. I got a too-good-to-ignore-deal from Cogent for 100Mb/s fiber, as they were trying to grab customers before Comcast moved into my building.

      Other than the awesome Cogent deal, I had absolutely no reason to ditch Sonic. Awesome, affordable service; awesome customer service. I'm in San Francisco so I had 25Mb/s down and over 5Mb up for $89/month, which came to $130/month after taxes on the two phone lines (AT&T still makes Sonic pay

      • Be aware that cogent are a wannabe teir 1. This means that if you single home with them you take the risk of being cut off from a substantial chunk of the internet not because of any technical problem but because they got into a peering dispute.

    • Re:Comcast... (Score:5, Informative)

      by CastrTroy (595695) on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @08:10PM (#44559823) Homepage
      You obviously don't remember the days of over-subscribed dial up internet, where you had to dial in repeatedly for over half an hour just to get on the internet, only to have your connection dropped after being online for less than an hour, and the whole fun would begin again.
      • by Meski (774546)
        Or notional 46k dialup, where that was the best you could theoretically get. (similar to ADSL in many respects)
        • by zifn4b (1040588)

          Or notional 46k dialup, where that was the best you could theoretically get. (similar to ADSL in many respects)

          It was 56k dialup and that's correct, it was only theoretical. No one ever connected at 56k. Back in that day there were two competing standards K56Flex and USR. USR was the superior standard and I think it could connect every once in awhile at 52 or 53k if the line quality was pristine. I always thought it was funny how the USR 56k handshake always sounded like something bouncy.

          • by mcl630 (1839996)

            I remember that boing, boing bouncy sound well...

            • USR Bouncy sound: E boing E boing E yoink! quiet static, LOUDER STATIC, silence
              Connected at 33.6, 48 or rarely 52K (never once saw 56)
              AOL Logo
              Something like Windows 8 startboard
              YOU'VE GOT MAIL squeak
              (Oops, I forgot to turn those speakers down. Games needed it louder to be heard.)

              You kids go to bed, stop playing on the computer.

      • Re:Comcast... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Decker-Mage (782424) <> on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @12:36AM (#44561583)
        I did find a handy use for the auto-redial feature on my modems. I'd use them to dial through to the uni class registration phone number. Once I heard the connect, I'd pick up and start registering for classes. Otherwise, never used that feature.
      • You obviously don't remember the days before the internet, when local volunteer-hosted BBS's were the best method of finding people with similar interests in computing, and for downloading that new interesting BASIC text adventure game.

        In 50 years people will be bitching that the holographic NPC's in their games don't behave *quite* like humans, and tactile feedback still requires wearing some gear.

        There'll always be something to bitch about, and something to marvel about, in the march of technology.
      • by zifn4b (1040588)
        Oh, this takes me back. Running X on a P166 and having pppd configured to automatically re-dial and keep the connection alive.
    • by barlevg (2111272)
      I've had *great* service from Comcast. A decade ago, they were garbage, but ever since FIOS came on the market, it seems like they've been busting their asses to stay competitive. This might be something that varies by region (or even neighborhood), though.
  • Upload? (Score:4, Funny)

    by AmiMoJo (196126) * <> on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @06:17PM (#44558735) Homepage

    I need both 100Mb down and 100Mb up. My ex had it back in 2004... in Japan. Nearly a decade later it's still a distant dream here.

    FWIW I have 100/10. I get occasional letters from my ISP begging me to download less, but because they want to advertise as "unlimited" begging is all they can do.

  • by MarcoAtWork (28889) on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @06:24PM (#44558801)

    I would rather be on 5mbps pinging 15ms to my office, for working remotely, than on 100mpbs with 100ms...

  • I worked at a cloud IaaS provider. It was fun to download files at about 100MB/s, although it removed a lot of excuses to breaks: "I'm going for coffee while I wait for Xcode to download, then... Oh, I guess it's done."
  • I want gigabit. But 1-5 is plenty to meet my needs and I'm in the 5-10 range. The cable company recently offered to quadruple my speed for about $3/month but the house is just about sold so there seemed little point in changing.

    • by CastrTroy (595695)
      I agree, I also wish they they would offer high monthly throughput in exchange for slower speeds. I'm currently on 28 mbps internet, Which I quite enjoy, but really the only reason I upgraded from my old 6 mbps internet was because it was the only way to get enough of a monthly download allowance. On my old plan it was 25 GB. Now it's a little more respectable at 80 GB, but I'd go back to the slow speed in a hearth beat if they offered all-you-can download, or something a little more reasonable like 300-50
    • by Z00L00K (682162)

      I can get gigabit, but the cost will be something like $140/month, so I stick with 10/100 for $50/month.

    • by Macgrrl (762836)

      We have ADSL2 which theoretically is up to 25Mb. I swear our old ADSL+ connection was more reliable and typically had faster speeds.

      What I really want is a stable, reliable connection which is up when I want it (and not disconnecting during raid nights as it has been lately), that consistently gives 10Mb or better speeds. Consistent and reliable are the key if my ISP is listening.

  • The only question is what I can afford.

  • 6 megabits per second, no more, no less.

    If I required more, I'd pay for more.

    I'd like more, but I don't require it.

  • Require? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 89cents (589228) on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @08:55PM (#44560231)
    What is this poll asking? If internet access is "required", then less than 1Mbit satisfies most web/email. Streaming video requires more. Faster speeds just make downloads quicker. If asking what we prefer, then greater than 100MB would be the answer. It seems like most people are answering with what they have.
    • by Osgeld (1900440)

      I answered with one step above what I have now, what I have now does fill almost all my requirements for a paid service, but could use a little bit more to do everything smoothly

    • by Kjella (173770)

      What is this poll asking? If internet access is "required", then less than 1Mbit satisfies most web/email. Streaming video requires more. Faster speeds just make downloads quicker. If asking what we prefer, then greater than 100MB would be the answer. It seems like most people are answering with what they have.

      I decided to think of it this way, if I was moving today what kind of Internet connection would I require to be satisfied with it assuming it is available at normal market prices. Personally I decided that anything under 25 Mbps would now make me unhappy about it, so I went for 25-50 Mbits though I have 90 Mbit/s but that's just nice-to-have, not anything I require.

    • What is this poll asking?
      If internet access is "required", then less than 1Mbit satisfies most web/email. Streaming video requires more. Faster
      speeds just make downloads quicker. If asking what we prefer, then greater than 100MB would be the answer. It seems like most people are answering with what they have.

      I based my answer on my peak needs. Two computers, Netflix on the Apple TV streaming, and "cloud" backups running in the background. Now if there's anything to argue about, it's peak verses sustained.

    • +1

      I marked "Less than 1 Mbp" because that is all I require. I don't *need* to stream movies, download videos, watch youtube videos, etc. I certainly like to do all those things, but I don't need to do them.

      Of course, what I would love to have is "Over 100 Mbp". That would be awesome.
  • The more download bandwith I can get, the better. I'm looking forward to games that could have 10,000+ people in the same zone.
    • Things like collision detection go up quadratically relative to the number of objects being scanned. You can cull that somewhat with zoning or sectioning out your search space, but it's still a beast of a problem. 10 people in a zone takes ~100 calculations, but 10,000 would take ~100,000,000 calculations. And if you have to do that once a second you very rapidly peg out your available CPU. That's why when you hear about those massive space battles in EVE Online they slow time to a crawl to keep up with
  • by poity (465672) on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @10:50PM (#44561015)

    Which I guess should be ~15-20Mbps
    1080p would be nice, but I can't tell the difference.

  • At least Gigabit!
    Ok, maybe need is a bit strong, I really really want it badly.
    Of course, if I had it, I'd find a way to use it.
    So would you.
  • Unless streaming 3D 4K video changes things, it was interesting to see that the 10-25Mbps rate was the most popular so far. Indicative of a threshold? Albeit, I was pretty tempted to mark the 300 baud rate... I remember those days. But gotta admit, streaming video changed my views...
  • The main problem is the uplink, that's what's usually congested. I could do just about everything I'd like to do if I had 16 MBit uplink.

  • Whatever it is available! I'd like to have gigabit. But only 8 Mbps is available and slower products cost the same
    • Right, I just get whatever the max is. Currently it's 25 Mbps, although the pitiful 5 Mbps upspeed is more of an issue.

      I'd rather have 15 up, 15 down.

  • Man I'm lucky if I get anything over 0.5MB. For that reason I have mostly forgot about streaming videos or music, and downloads are isolated to source code and the occasional distro every few months.

    The result? I am infinitely more productive!

  • I've got 10/10 Ethernet straight out of the wall here, but 5/1 would probably work fine for me as long as it's still a fixed price and no data limits.

  • by gestalt_n_pepper (991155) on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @11:00AM (#44564827)

    Back in my day, we didn't have all this fancy-dancy copper wire fibery stuff! We had to throw black and white pebbles at each other from the backs of our galloping ponies in the middle of a buffalo herd to establish a connection. That's just the way it was and we liked it!

    At least it was more reliable than Comcast.

  • Symmetric or asymmetric?

  • I want 100 MBps, but the actual question was how much I'd need... That would be 0. "Needs" vs wants. The entire internet could implode, and I'd still be alive.
    • It also depends on what you do for a living; then it's a bit fuzzier. On one hand, the bare minimum of "need" would be: food + water + air(oxygen) + protection from elements + specific temperature band.

      But your job helps you supply at least 3 of the above so if your job requires internet then it might fall into a "need." There are obviously other jobs you can do but it's not easy to just switch.

      If you require home internet to do your job, then depending on your definition of "need" then you might need X b

  • I live in Kansas City! What's a MB?

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