Carmack On Doom III And The Evolution Of Graphics

Toasty16 writes "David Kushner over at Wired has a write-up on the progress of Doom III, hinting at a possible fall release, that is unless Microsoft convinces id to sit on the game until an Xbox version is completed. He also talks to Carmack about the evolution of game engines and the possibility of a "next-generation rendering engine [that] will be a stable, mature technology that lasts in more or less its basic form for a long time." Will this lead to a shift from coders to "technical directors," as Carmack believes? This ties into the Slashdot story awhile back about new titles for sysadmins."

Evolution is a lie.

[Anonymous Coward]

The graphics were created by God at the beginning of time!

Another new graphics engine..

[grub]

Oh bloody hell, the Duke Nukem Forever people will want to start from square one again.

How do you bribe John C.?

[gr8_phk]

Offer him rocket fuel.

Re:Another new graphics engine..

[k-0s]

Start you say? They've actually started? LOL

no.

[Suppafly]

This ties into the Slashdot story awhile back about new titles for sysadmins."

No it doesn't.

I'll Pass On Doom III

[Anonymous Coward]

I won't be playing a game with demons and other evil elements. IMO, I'll pass on this garbage. I don't care how beautiful a game looks if it has such satanic crap inside it negates any good qualities any graphics and sound may offer, IMO. As they say, garbage in garbage out. People can rant on about how video games can't affect one's mind but studies have shown that what you watch (and play) do affect you. That's fact. Those who worship their ego and deny anything spiritual are some of the people likely to laugh at my remarks and anyone else who shares similar feelings towards violent video games. It's funny though that science has proven that there is much more to discover that's invisible which can include angels, God, demons, and the devil. Once viruses and bacteria were invisible to the naked eye and thoughts of "something invisible" causing a disease could be thought of as lunacy. Science has discovered these invisible realities and we have much more to yet uncover. Like the lunatics that existed and future generations that eventually discovered, revealed, and proved the invisible to the naked eye viruses that cause disease, so those who have faith in the invisible realities such as angels and demons are sometimes laughed at or ignored but will one day be appreciated for their faith.

IMO, I will not let 3d demons be a part of my entertainment, which only serves to bring those demons which do exist even closer.

Re:Typical

[Toasty16]

All anti-M$ sentiments were my own, my views do not reflect the views of Slashdot or its admins.

Wait a minute, yes they do!

Anyway, getting a story submitted on Slashdot is almost as cool as getting my letter printed in PCXL. Cool is a relative term, BTW.

Someone hit me

[ralico]

I sometimes get Carmack and Romero confused. When I hear Carmack, I think Daikatana [google.com], and this time thought, "Great, Doom III will never be released. But then I realized, he's not Romero.

Re:How does it tie to the older story?

[telstar]

"I guess I don't quite see how this ties into the older story about new titles for Sysadmins."

• I think he just wanted to show that he actually searched for
• something prior to posting the article.

Re:Doom III demo

[AKnightCowboy]

Has anyone on /. got the Doom III demo to run smoothly? My friend has a relatively new AMD Athlon XP 2100+ with 512 megabytes of RAM on an ASUS nForce 2 motherboard, and he was getting like 2 frames per second or something ridiculous.

Well, don't expect it to run smoothly on such an old piece of crap computer. Try upgrading to a Quad P4-3GHz system with the best ATI Radeon you can buy and you MIGHT get 15fps if you're lucky. You can't expect a piece of artistic genius like Doom III to run on crappy commodity PC hardware can you? To get the real performance you need to buy an Xbox.

Re:Another new graphics engine..

[Anonymous Coward]

of course they did, and they even have achived something [3drealms.com]

Here's a dumb question.

[teamhasnoi]

Could D3 be made to run on two or more boxes - a beowulf cluster, if you will (I know I'll take a hit for even mentioning that)?

If this is going to require me to buy new hardware, I'm out for now. However, if I could use *all* my machines to process it, I'm in. Wouldn't it be like running a dedicated server, except single player?

I have a feeling that D3 on my current hardware would be like playing myst on a 286. Screensavory!

Re:no.

[Anonymous Coward]

Give timothy a break. It at least shows he has read an earlier slashdot article.

Your post is a lie

[Anonymous Coward]

The graphics are more than 100 miles away. Our troops will destroy them.

Lies!

[Tuxinatorium]

There is no Doom 3. It is a fabrication of the desperate ID software infidels. Even as we speak the source code is deleting itself.

Allah willing, Duke Nukem Forever shall emerge victorious over the ID Software infidels and their vaporware "Doom 3", AND be released on time!

Re:Don't freak out just yet

[Dolly_Llama]

The Carmack specifically says at the end of the article that he's going to make another engine after this one

Engine, yes. He's just not saying whether is will be an engine for graphics or for vertical propulsion.

2007

[Anonymous Coward]

And in other news, following allegations by the RIAA that Microsoft had a long-running top-secret illegal "MP3" server on campus through which their employees could pirate music with each other, a DOJ raid on Microsoft headquarters revealed that Microsoft was hiding weapons of mass distruction.

What was to be a routine DMCA2 inspection has quickly turned into an international incident, as police discovered in the subterranean tunnels of Bill Gates' house a number of missles which the DOJ estimates are capable of going several thousand miles further than the limit imposed on Microsoft by both UN resolutions and their 2002 antitrust settlement, as well as several barrels of chemicals which, pending testing, are expected to either be rocket fuel or chemical weapons.

"This isn't what it looks like, i swear" said a beleaguered Steve Ballmer. "We were just going to use them to secretly bribe John Carmack with, to get him to make Doom 4 XBOX-exclusive. That was all. We weren't going to use them. Fuck. Fuck. I knew this was a bad idea."

In other news, Canadian forces, afraid that a cornered Microsoft may decide to attack, have massed near the Seattle border.

More news on FOXNews as it develops: We report, you decide.

Re:Another new graphics engine..

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course they have started - you wouldn't call it DN Forever otherwise, would you?

If it were just another Duke game, they would have called it Duke Nuken Soon (In a Year or Three). But alas, they have choosen tha FOREVER option, which means they will take *forever* to finish it.

Re:Doom III demo

[Nick of NSTime]

It runs great on my G4/800 iMac.

Oh, Doom III. I thought you said Commander Keen. My bad.

iddqd dudez!

[circletimessquare]

i started playing doom ii in 1994.

i never played quake.

i never played wolfenstein.

i have, sitting in a row, my p100, my p333, and my pentium 1.5g, representing 1994, 1998, and 2002 upgrades respectively.

i have mainlined doom ii on all 3 computers, playing it once a month at least, for 10 years.

i look forward to doom iii mightily! ;-P

Dethroned As God

[nick_davison]

In other news, Carmack has been dethroned as the God of PC Geeks as the dirty Apple (not even with cool BSD based OS) secret from his past comes out:

"After being thrown into a juvenile home for stealing an Apple II at age 14"

Still, bonus geek points awarded for stealing a whole computer at a time when most people were blowing cereal whistles in to pay phones.

Dont believe the lies.

[blackmonday]

According to the Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf:

By the glory of Allah, I have been playing Doom III and Duke Nukem Forever, and Allah is good. Do not believe the lies of the infidels, Doom III is available in aisle 7 of the Baghdadi Walmart. Praise Allah, for it is an uncensored version.

So there you have it.

Re:Typical

[vsprintf]

The very fact that they have to release it for xbox shows a huge shift over there at Id. PC gaming is dying, they need console revenue to break even with this dog.

PC Gaming is Dying!! It will be buried next to BSD! Heck, I'm a console gamer, and even I don't believe that.

Re:Another new graphics engine..

[Munra]

http://www.choosehosting.com/~jon/images/DNFnfomin ister.JPG [choosehosting.com]

Re:Doom III demo

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL is not a motherfucking word motherfucker. It's goddamn three letters that represent three mother fucking words you goddamn cunt. And your phrase stupid fat 250 lb. single moms on AOL with little yappy dogs named Tippy Sue has so many goddamn mother fucking redundancies it's bordering on redundant even fucking mentioning the motherfucking fact. In fact this entire motherfucking message should be modded down as motherfucking redundant, and I don't mean just a tame little redundant -1 , I mean a MOTHERFUCKING REDUNDANT score, motherfucker.

Re:I'll Pass On Doom III

[calethix]

"IMO, I will not let 3d demons be a part of my entertainment, which only serves to bring those demons which do exist even closer."

shit dude! you're right. I was laughing my ass off while I played this old copy of Doom but then I looked out my window and there were bunnies everywhere... er rather bunny heads on pikes. Quick! Where's my shotgun and chainsaw?!?!?!

Correction

[ehiris]

"Doom III is available in aisle 7 of the Baghdadi Walmart"

There are no more Walmarts in Baghdad. They have all been replaced with Targets.

Re:Poetic license?

[shish]

> "He was so immersed in his task that he saw the world around him as an optical display. In the shower the next morning, three perfect bars of light reflected on the tiles. Hey, Carmack thought - that's a diffuse illumination by a specular reflection."

Heh, I get like that all the time. Just this morning I woke up after ~2 hours sleep and though "I wonder how I can get more sleep in the same amount of space... I know, I'll GZip it!"

Re:Carmack: do a physics or AI engine!

[Monofilament]

Wooo yah .. I hope Carmac reads this post .. or ones like it. I'm a big fan of AI improvement in games (even though it would make my gaming experience considerably harder.. considering I suck... then again.. with good AI maybe I'd be better at adapting instead of just getting crushed by the million enemies that good twitch gamers can deal with easily. Me not good twitch gamer).

Anyways.. AI/physics add-in card. my lord that would be wonderful. I wanna work on it. Sign me up. This is the kinda stuff that is going to bring my AI programming and LISP skills out of the short hiatus they've been on.

Re:Gaming after Photorealism

[nicodaemos]

True, but perhaps by then FPS will mean First Person Sex instead.