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Xbox Linux Made Possible Without a Modchip 996

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An anonymous reader writes "Free-X have released an exploit for the Xbox that will let you get Linux on the machine without any hardware mods at all... Microsoft is already threatening them with legal action. Here's the Free-X statement. Free-X say they had been trying to contact MS for a month but were ignored, which is why they've released the exploit. Should be interesting to watch this one."
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Xbox Linux Made Possible Without a Modchip

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  • Woops, too late (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Iscariot_ (166362) on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:45AM (#6365234)
    Too late for Microsoft. It's been released. No way of stopping it. Just like Nintendo had no way of stopping UltraHLE.
    • by HanzoSan (251665) * on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:39AM (#6365464) Homepage Journal


      In a few days Michael Robertson will announce Lindows Xbox Edition.

      New features? The ability to completely hiijack a competitors hardware technology.
      • Re:Lindows on Xbox (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Rogerborg (306625) on Friday July 04, 2003 @06:36AM (#6366137) Homepage

        >The ability to completely hiijack a competitors hardware technology.

        Funny, I don't recall leasing an XBox from Microsoft. When I put that money down, as far as I'm aware, I bought it. It became my property.

        I wonder, what goods or services am I stealing from Microsoft by running lunix on my XBox?

        Their attitude seems to be that after you buy an XBox, you owe them more money in games sales.

  • by RobPiano (471698) * on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:47AM (#6365243)
    It seems we've had a lot of false and misinterpreted information about this team and their exploit. I don't have an x-box and only somewhat understand why their exploit would work (integer underflow..?), but it atleast sounds interesting. Anyone on slashdot who gets it working please post a verification.

    As far as the team... I think they should have submitted their findings to a legal firm of some kind instead of this not-so-holy covert behavior. Their behavior will only lead to troubles in court.

    Atleast they'll have $100,000 to help them out, I think they'll need it.

    Rob
    • Integer Underflow: (Score:5, Informative)

      by Kelmenson (592104) <kelmenson AT yahoo DOT com> on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:01AM (#6365326)
      You understand overflow, right? There is a maximum integer that can be stored in a variable, and if you "overflow" this maximum amount, the number wraps around. So 0xffff + 0x0003 = 0x0002.

      Underflow is the same, but opposite, making it so you wrap from near zero to a very big number... You say the font size is 0x0003, and the X-Box subtracts 0x0004, and ends up thinking it needs to read in 0xffff more data from the font file...

      Both just involved wrapping around the maximum/minimum values a variable can hold.

    • by Farrell (564771) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:02AM (#6365333) Homepage
      It's too bad they probably won't get the 100k. In order to get the files onto the xbox, you need to use a prior exploit that DOES require something(007 save, swapping HDD etc).
      • by smashr (307484) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:42AM (#6365473)

        It's too bad they probably won't get the 100k. In order to get the files onto the xbox, you need to use a prior exploit that DOES require something(007 save, swapping HDD etc)


        Not at all. You do not need to make any modifications to the hardware to use the 007 hack. If you have a memory card with the savegame on it, then you can simply copy that to the HD and load the game. This boots linux with an ftp server. You do NOT need to open the box or solder the pins; you only need to do that if you want to flash the TSOP and effectively mod the bios. Once you use the 007 trick you have temporary ftp access to the box - you can ftp over and replace the font files. Now the box is as good as modded and no one will know the difference. In addition this is safer than flashing the TSOP because the BIOS is simply intercepted in hardware.

        So in short - you can have a completley modded xbox without ever opening the cover.
    • by Eyston (462981) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:40AM (#6365468)
      why their exploit would work (integer underflow..?)

      It looks at the file. The first four bytes are how big the file is, including its own size. So if the file is 16 bytes long, that is 4 bytes of the header and 12 bytes of data. That first four bytes reads 16.

      So the XBox reads in the first four bytes (16), takes 4 away and then knows to look for 12 more bytes (16-4).

      Apparently it uses those first four bytes (16) to allocate the memory. It then takes 4 away from that value (4 from 16 is 12) and reads those bytes (next 12) into memory.

      Well, if you feed it 0..3 instead of 16 in that example, you get an underflow. It sees those first 0..3, takes away 4, and gets a very large number (whatever the maximum is, assume 8^4). So it then writes large amounts of YOUR data to memory even when only 0..3 bytes are allocated (or it is smart and will only do 4). So now you have YOUR own code/data in memory that isn't for that file.

      I think. Fuck if I really know.

      -Eyston
    • by Alsee (515537) on Friday July 04, 2003 @04:09AM (#6365780) Homepage
      integer underflow..?

      Here's a completely non-technical explanation:

      Think of it like a clock. The XBOX loads a number expecting it to be something like 10 minutes. It then subtracts 5 minutes and uses the number. But instead of giving it a number like 10 minutes you give it a number like 2 minutes. Then when the XBOX subtracts 5 from 2 it gets an underflow. It doesn't know about negative numbers. So what is does is it wraps around like a clock. If you look at the 2 minute mark on a clock, then count backwards 5 minutes where do you end up? You end up 3 minuts before the 12. That's 11 hours and 57 minutes. So XBOX thinks that 2 minus 5 equals 11 hours and 57 minutes.

      So by giving the XBOX a smaller number than it expects, and letting the XBOX make the number even smaller, it underflows - wraps around - to a really big number. That really big number tells the XBOX to load a HUGE amount of information. More than it's supposed to load. That means you can feed the XBOX any program you want and the XBOX will suck it up and run it.

      -
  • by Roosey (465478) on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:47AM (#6365246)
    Trust me, these guys will go down for the count if Microsoft hires a female lawyer [penny-arcade.com].
  • by Snoopy77 (229731) on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:48AM (#6365250) Homepage
    "From now on today will be known as XBox Independence Day!"
  • by rampant mac (561036) on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:49AM (#6365253)
    From the article:

    Dear Public,

    Today is a very said day for Microsoft.

    Especially if you're using their spelling / grammar software.

  • honestly... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mrscorpio (265337) <twoheadedboy@ston e p o ol.com> on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:50AM (#6365262)
    ...did they really think Microsoft would give in to their "demands" AND legitimize X-Box hacking at the same time? Give me a break. Why would it make sense for Microsoft to encourage Linux installs on a product solely meant to play games and movies, when it doesn't even port it's cash cow software for the real desktop OS? I hate to make this comparison (because of the can of worms it's sure to open), but it's like terrorists who try to bargain hostages for freeing their buddies. You CAN'T bargain with them, because it simply encourages others to follow in their path.

    Congrats to the guys for the hard hacking work, but get a little business sense and in the meantime, better get a lawyer. This ain't gonna make the boyz in Redmond none too happy.

    Chris
    • Re:honestly... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Malcontent (40834) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:04AM (#6365343)
      "Give me a break. Why would it make sense for Microsoft to encourage Linux installs on a product solely meant to play games and movies, when it doesn't even port it's cash cow software for the real desktop OS? "

      To sell more xboxes?

      Think about it, even if MS lost money on every one sold they would have bragging rights. They could go araound saying that the Xbox is most popular game system and spread FUD around like peanut butter on rye toast.

      They have 40 billion in the bank and can afford to lose tens (if not hundreds) of millions dollars to gain a monoply on the game console market.

      Also with each passing day the cost of a Xbox goes down and eventually they will actually make money on the thing.
      • Re:honestly... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by mrscorpio (265337) <twoheadedboy@ston e p o ol.com> on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:14AM (#6365381)
        You realize how little market share Linux has, right?

        A significant number (to Microsoft) of people are not going to rush out and buy X-Boxes to install Linux on it. Maybe a few thousand worldwide, MAYBE. That's not going to put them over the top against Sony.

        Chris
      • Re:honestly... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by CrowScape (659629) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:15AM (#6365383)
        But the idea isn't to make money off of selling the hardware, it's to make money off of selling the software. By hacking the X-Box so that you can run software that Microsoft isn't getting a royalty on kinda defeats the purpose. As consoles become more and more expensive to manufacture you'll see more emphasis placed on the profits produced by games while the manufacturers become willing to almost give the thing they spent $200 building away. This kind of hacking, if it ever begins to saturate the market, only serves to undermine consoles in general.
        • Re:honestly... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by sweatyboatman (457800) <sweatyboatman@@@hotmail...com> on Friday July 04, 2003 @03:17AM (#6365598) Homepage Journal
          and the argument is that this is a flawed business model. purchasing the XBOX should allow me to run whatever I want on it. I'm not leasing it. It's my property. I don't own the software or firmware, but I definately do own the hardware.

          If I can make the firmware do what I want, then how could that be illegal? Once I pay for it, MS no longer has a say in how I use it.

          If I hollow out the case and use it as a planter, is that an illegal modification? Can Microsoft sue me because they're not making their royalty money on the plants I'm growing in my XBOX?
    • Re:honestly... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by grahammm (9083) * <graham@gmurray.org.uk> on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:05AM (#6365345)
      Why should a hardware supplier have the right to dictate what the hardware is used for? There have been many instances of things being put to uses which the manufacturer did not even imagine when the product was first released, and sometimes these uses have become more popular than the original purpose of the item - and have increased sales of the item.

      This is NOT the same as gaining access to / duplicating copyright works.
  • by freeweed (309734) on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:51AM (#6365268)
    Looks like it's open season on the Xbox now, but I'm a bit confused. The ZDnet article mentions the $100,000 no hardware mod prize, yet right in the exploit description it states:

    Q1: How do I get the files onto the harddisk?

    A1: There are several ways. You could f.e. install the files with the Mechassault or 007 hacks. This requires one of the games and the files on a memorycard. The other way is to open the box and do the harddisk swap trick which is described all over the net.


    So if you need to use an existing hack to do this, and those hacks didn't qualify for the prize, how could this one? Any Xbox experts care to comment?

    Additionally, isn't it nice to see that companies are now suing on a regular basis for exploit publication. Good that they only want black hats posessing this sort of information.
  • Blackmail (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:52AM (#6365274)
    our team has been accused of attempting to extort or blackmail Microsoft

    From the article, seems that is exactly what they tried to do:

    For the exchange, we were requesting but not demanding the following:

    - Complete access to all documentation (chipsets, video etc.) to assist in developing a better Linux for the XBox.
    - A signed Linux loader.
    - Protection from Microsoft or support if any organisation/government attempted to prosecute members of our team.
    - Refunding of the cost occured during the agreement period.


    Not demanding? Why would Microsoft politely offer any of those things?
  • by aerojad (594561) on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:55AM (#6365294) Homepage Journal
    Microsoft is already threatening them with legal action.

    Too late. Just ask AOL at trying to stop WASTE when it came out. Up for a day, and mirrored more times then they will ever be able to count.

    Microsoft lost right at the point they decided to not talk to them beforehand. They can shut these people down, but it's out there now, game over.
  • Increasing weirdness (Score:5, Interesting)

    by warmcat (3545) * on Friday July 04, 2003 @01:56AM (#6365298)
    From the 'statement' link:

    Since our attempts to contact Microsoft have become public knowledge our team has been accused of attempting to extort or blackmail Microsoft, this is not true as we have made every attempt possible to make contact with Microsoft to offer the following:

    - A complete summary of all hacking technologies (many of these technologies have not been released).
    - Source Codes.
    - All attacks which have been developed but not yet released.
    - To sign a Non-disclosure Agreement regarding our discoveries.
    - Further research on exploits, which would be exclusive to Microsoft.
    - Full names of all hackers involved upon agreement of legal protection from Microsoft.
    - Assistance in the development of future security for the XBox by working with Microsoft.


    For the exchange, we were requesting but not demanding the following:

    - Complete access to all documentation (chipsets, video etc.) to assist in developing a better Linux for the XBox.
    - A signed Linux loader.
    - Protection from Microsoft or support if any organisation/government attempted to prosecute members of our team.
    - Refunding of the cost occured during the agreement period.


    Disclaimer, until a few weeks ago I was very active in Xbox Linux.

    This just seems to me to be a cheap attempt to chisel money and personal advantage under the cover of pretending to be doing it for the benefit of Xbox Linux. "Assistance in the development of future security for the XBox by working with Microsoft" indeed!!!!

    Anyone who has spent any time with the Xbox Linux project will immediately recognize the author of the "statement" by its novel spelling and tone. It'll be interesting to see just how what goes around is going to come around.
  • by gibbo2 (58897) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:03AM (#6365336) Homepage
    A popular opinion when they threatened to release this was "they're just blackmailing Microsoft, but they've got nothing".

    Looks like a different situation now that they've laid their cards on the table.

    Good work guys.
  • by supersam (466783) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:13AM (#6365378) Homepage
    MS: Damn it! Doesn't Free-X know we made XBox so that people could play games on it.

    Free-X: Err... yes we did just that. We played on it a bit and voila!... its now linuXBox!! *grin*

    MS: @#!**@###***
  • by Stonent1 (594886) <stonent AT stone ... intclark DOT net> on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:16AM (#6365392) Journal
    Since it is on the website, google will probably cache it meaning it will not be lost. :) And even if MS orders to take their site down, google will still have it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:20AM (#6365400)
    The only reason Microsoft has to care about putting another operating system on x-box is because they are dumping them.

    Dumping things undervalue as a monopoly is unethical and illegal in many places. I'd like to see that in some news stories, instead of no explanation why microsoft would care at all what someone did with their own bought hardware.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:22AM (#6365415)
    Select and copy the uuencoded bit of the message in your browser, then pop open an xterm.
    $ uudecode
    (shift-insert or third mouse button)
    (return)
    ^D
    This will give you dayX.tgz

    You don't know when someone will laywer their way into taking this thing offline. Make it as available as you can.
  • by Empiric (675968) on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:33AM (#6365451) Homepage
    If any of you Opera users find the "Free-X Statement" link akin to a Spinal Tap album cover, the site hasn't been defaced or removed. Try another browser, Opera 7.0 appears not to render their page readably. Undoubtedly the site's fault, not Opera's, of course.

    (me. [livejournal.com])
  • Thoughts (Score:5, Interesting)

    by knightPhlight (173012) <nate@@@nottingham-tech...com> on Friday July 04, 2003 @02:55AM (#6365517) Homepage
    New or old hat? :: This exploit, having been long awaited by linux hackers and warez kiddies both is different from both the 007 and MechWarrior hacks. It doesn't require the retail games making the hack free as in beer. Additionally, both require that the game is executed and a save is loaded to cause the overrun. To do this the disc must be in the DVD drive. Because the Xbox (without a third party BIOS) will reboot when the eject key is pressed, this severely limits what the DVD can contain (such as a bootable linux partition).

    Patchable? :: Furthermore, Microsoft cannot permanently patch this hack through an Xbox Live update. Version 1, v1.2, & v1.3 Xboxes will always execute the current vulnerable code. Should they remotely update the dash; one would simply open the Xbox, write an old image to the hard drive, and reboot. In the process it would be trivial to add bert and ernie (the modified fonts). Xbox Live BIOS updates are not possible due to M$ imposed hardware limitations. Of course, third party BIOS updates are not a problem for those willing to open the case and get crazy with a little solder.

    Availability? :: Legal or not, at this point it's not an issue for the end user. The base-64 posted by Mr. Esser isn't going away. Proof? Try this... [google.com]

    X-Prize? :: Probably not. This cannot be executed or copied from a third party memory card ala 007. So opening the box is required. Partial payment maybe.

  • by NanoGator (522640) on Friday July 04, 2003 @03:08AM (#6365562) Homepage Journal
    .. I would *strongly* recommend that the Slashdot Community who's been all over this 'Linux on the XBOX' bs start doing something interesting with it, and I mean fast. It would look plenty embarrasing for MS if they went after them for releasing the exploit and then people started making good (and legitimate) use of it. If everybody just wants to play MAME on it with questionably legal ROMs, that won't help Free-X.

    Might I suggest a DivX based media server that can rip DVDs? I know that seems to fly in the face of what I just said about MAME, however, its a good use for the XBOX, plus you'd only be ripping DVDs you own and with good reason. "I just wanted to have easy access to my library." Another suggestion would be to set up an XBOX as a TV based info center. It stays on-line all the time on Input 2 (or whatever channel your XBOX is on), when a commercial pops up, flip the channels and get your messages. Heck, set up a browser so that it cycles through your favorite news sites every 30 seconds and scrolls them or something.

    At least with something like that, something that the XBOX is better at than a cheap-o PC, the case can be made for wanting to make these mods to the unit. That'll weaken MS's case (they'll probably try to say that copy protection is bypassed or something), plus it'll take a few pokes at the DMCA as well.

    I hope are people listening. MS has got an army of lawyers.
  • by CaptCanuk (245649) on Friday July 04, 2003 @03:20AM (#6365614) Journal
    These poor guys will be the next to be blown up when 120,000 troops jump them on their way to work. Seriously though, reading their demands, they are very close to blackmail. Microsoft took the same position that the US took in "Air Force One": We will not bargain with terrorists. Sure, they didn't blow anything up or there isn't some ISO you can burn and stick in the XBOX and poof, no security, but they did hold a list of demands that most corporations would have a hard time filling. Video Game Console manufacturers make money on software game title sells (as opposed to losing money on hardware).

    "For the exchange, we were requesting but not demanding the following:
    - Complete access to all documentation (chipsets, video etc.) to assist in developing a better Linux for the XBox.
    - A signed Linux loader.
    - Protection from Microsoft or support if any organisation/government attempted to prosecute members of our team.
    - Refunding of the cost occured during the agreement period."

    Since they requested the following, they were turned down on all accounts. I sincerely hope their lawyers are good enough to stave off microsoft's (who will be working on july 4th all day i'm sure). I also hope this is a first step to sticking in and loading a bootable Suse or Mandrake install CD.

    • by Imperator (17614) <slashdot2@omer[ ]nker.net ['she' in gap]> on Friday July 04, 2003 @06:50AM (#6366186)
      That's a lie they love to tell. The US negotiates with terrorists all the time. Right now the Bush administration is engaged in intensive negotiations with several Palestinian terrorist groups. (And I'm not calling them terrorists because it's the US-Israeli line, but rather because they detonate bombs in places crowded with civilians.) We negotiate hostage exchanges, "disarmament" (cease fire) agreements, and much more. It all depends on how much we want the terrorists to cooperate. The US (and most other countries) have never had serious policies against negotiating with terrorists, no matter what their propaganda campaigns would like you to believe.
  • Too easy... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by borgdows (599861) on Friday July 04, 2003 @03:29AM (#6365649)
    It's time now to hack a *real* protection system made by a *real* console maker -> Nintendo Gamecube.

    good luck everybody! (and you'll need it)
  • linux on xbox? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by x0n (120596) <oising@@@iol...ie> on Friday July 04, 2003 @04:46AM (#6365861) Homepage Journal
    Anyone arguing that allowing Linux on an XBox is going to sell more Xboxen is clearly deluded. The only reason people want to put Linux on an XBox (or any other device that is not sold for such purposes) is for reasons of pure hacker fun (weee, look! linux on xbox! take that m$) and also because we all feel we're poking billg in the eye at the same time. Admit it. I do.

    - Oisin

  • Sounds typical (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Master Control P (655590) <ejkeever.nerdshack@com> on Friday July 04, 2003 @05:27AM (#6365969)
    Reminds me strongly of the way typical bug-in-your-code exchanges go with companies:

    "There's a flaw in your code."
    "There's no flaw in our code."
    "I'm telling people there's a flaw in your code."
    "Alright, there is a flaw, but we're not fixing it."
    "I'm telling people how to exploit this flaw in your code."
    "Ok! Ok, we'll fix the bug."

    These guys have been telling Microsoft that they can run Linux on an Xbox without a mod chip for months. Microsoft has ignored their warnings about the "flaw" in their "code," so we've now arrived at "I'm telling people how to exploit it." Unfortunately, because the majority of people on capital hill are mildly retarded and/or (emphasis on the "and") corporate bitches, Microsoft will NOT be forced to fix the error, but will simply sue the people who publicize the flaw because it involves encryption.

    For those to whom it is NOT already patently obvious, THIS is the danger of the DMCA: Companies that provide defective products involving encryption are NOT forced to repair the error or lose business, they now have the option of silencing the white-hats who try to warn them, and trying to ignore the hordes of black-hats who are now working to duplicate the exploit.

    Naturally, when involving open-source software, the DMCA becomes irrelevant, because anyone can see and fix the code: We do not have to wait in the hallowed corporate halls waiting for a magic trinket, and that is what they (in reference to greedy CEO's and their ilk, for whom the pursuit of money has become a late-stage cancer) fear.

    Ok, I am done rambling. You may now resume your regularly scheduled indoctrination.
  • by JFMulder (59706) on Friday July 04, 2003 @06:49AM (#6366181)
    "640k underflow should be enough to hack an Xbox."
  • by Rogerborg (306625) on Friday July 04, 2003 @06:49AM (#6366182) Homepage

    You only leased that XBox. It still belongs to us, in principle, if not (yet) legally in fact because we chose to sell it at a loss. You're not allowed to do anything to it that we don't want you to, nor to tell anyone how to do anything to such things. Ever. Running Linux on it is stealing from us. You owe us more money in games sales, you thief.

    Next week: Gilette to sue people who buy one of their razors and then figure out or tell anyone how to remove and resharpen the blades rather than buying more.

    Next month: Coca Cola Enterprises Ltd to sue people who buy a bottle of Dr Pepper, drink it, then use it to fetch water from the office water cooler. Damn, that's me busted.

    Let's face it, we're only valued customers as long as we're meeting our implicit obligation to continue consuming. The instant we try and (ab/re)use a product without paying more money to the manufacturer, we bcome heartless thieves, possibly communists, maybe even terrorists.

    Linux user, why do you hate America so much?

  • by cluge (114877) on Friday July 04, 2003 @08:09AM (#6366373) Homepage

    If current copyright and IP laws and the interretation thereof were in affect in the mid - 80's what could we expect?

    1. PC's would still cost thousands of dollars

    2. The only companies to produce BIOS codes would be IBM, and people that paid IBM royalties

    3. The Internet would only be available to people in colleges and government - and the content would be heavily censored

    4. The only PC manufacture would be IBM and all others would be "illegal copies".

    5. All operating systems that ran on PC's would have to be liscenced from Microsoft

    6. 20" Rims would have to be liscenced from GM as the own the IP for "the oversized sport tire package"

    7. Performance exhaust systems are a Ford product exclusively.

    8. CD-R's would have been outlawed and require a liscence to buy or own

    9. There would only be 1 word processing program

    10."Reverse Engineering" would be a legal term used at your prosecution.

    You think it's crazy? Saying that you can buy a game/toy and are not allowed to open it up under penalty of jail - THAT is crazy. Why doesn't MS tell the truth, you didn't BUY anything except the right to use your toy. In actuality, according to their liscence (or my interpretation) that box that you plunked down 200 bucks for isn't even yours. Get used to it, unless there is a revolt, it is the way of the future. You will own nothing - but you will be allowed to use things, provided you pay enough $$$.

    • by dafoomie (521507) <`moc.liamtoh' `ta' `eimoofad'> on Friday July 04, 2003 @08:30AM (#6366446) Homepage
      2. The only companies to produce BIOS codes would be IBM, and people that paid IBM royalties

      Compaq secretly agreed to pay IBM royalties on each PC they sold, so IBM would drop the suit. The agreement's existance was a secret until recently.

      8. CD-R's would have been outlawed and require a liscence to buy or own
      Some countries charge a "tax" on each CD-R sold that goes to the RIAA, because that CD "might" be used to pirate their music. I think Canada and Sweden do this, among others. If they get money on each CD-R, that should constitute a licence to fill it with downloaded music. But I think a lot of crazy things.

      5. All operating systems that ran on PC's would have to be liscenced from Microsoft

      Refer to the "Microsoft Tax" on most PC's made by the big companies, no matter what OS is on them.

      You're dead on though... It's scary to see how much of that is actually going on today.
  • by k-hell (458178) on Friday July 04, 2003 @09:09AM (#6366580)
    See here [sourceforge.net]. ZDnet is also running a story here [zdnet.com.au]

"Who cares if it doesn't do anything? It was made with our new Triple-Iso-Bifurcated-Krypton-Gate-MOS process ..."

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