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WineX Install Goes Sour for LinuxWorld Editor 131

Posted by simoniker from the crying-all-the-way-home dept.
jg21 writes "LinuxWorld's gaming industry editor apparently grappled with TransGaming's latest WineX release, now renamed Cedega 4.0, to such an extent that she "lost" half a day of her life. A trip to the Dark Age of Camelot site for a 7-day free trial ended in tears and installing Diablo II didn't go much better. Dee-Ann LeBlanc may have coedited Linux for Dummies, but she suffered more black screens than a multiplex during a power outage. Is the problem simply that she uses Fedora Core 2 - can't someone help her out?" Are these one-off problems, or symptomatic of a bigger issue?
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  • I'm sorry to be a dick, but... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @07:51PM (#9637415)
    A trip to the Dark Age of Camelot site for a 7-day free trial ended in tears and installing Diablo II didn't go much better.

    This is why most women would make a bad CEO, president and leader. You can't go around bursting into tears and sinking your spoon into a crate of Ben & Jerry's every time you have problems installing a video game.

    I'm completely embarrassed for this woman and her apparent inability to control her emotions. Be a man; swear a little bit, pound your fist and move on.

  • For an alternate view... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Afromelonhead ( 730368 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `smada.ttocs.nayr'> on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @08:23PM (#9637614)
    Check out Joe Drago's impressions [osnews.com] at OSNews. His story revolves around City of Heroes and an older game, namely Grim Fandango. His review is pretty much all positive. Here's an excerpt for those who don't bother to RTFA:
    If you are a Linux user that is tired of rebooting for those Windows games, this is definitely for you, but you can't be afraid to help coax Cedega into playing your favorite games just right. I think that it's going to get better with each release.

  • What was the target audience of this article again (Score:3, Interesting)

    by isolationism ( 782170 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @08:26PM (#9637641) Homepage
    It's for a publication called 'LinuxWorld' but she's writing it from the eyes of a newly switched Windows user. As someone in a similar boat right now (working toward switch my desktop/workstation to Linux) I can say non-technical magazine articles are probably the last place I'd look, but that's just one person's opinion.

    That said, am I stupid for thinking that most people aren't going to switch to Linux primarily to play Windows games?

    Sure, it might be nice to be able to play some games once you've already jumped ship (and you're probably either knowledgeable in Linux already or willing to work at it to make things happen, as with quite a bit else you might have taken for granted in Windows), but I'd think that by that time you've done your research and made a commitment to switch, you aren't about to run crying back to mommy because that mean Linux beat you up and took your quarter to play at the arcade after school.

    As Othium says, 'Hard tasks need hard ways'. Cedega may be a commercial and Linux may be coming of age, but I'm a little surprised at the (lacking) level of effort here for something as complex and demanding as running recently developed games tailored for a completely different operating system.

    Perhaps I unreasonably expect a seasoned veteran with ten years of Linux experience plus twelve books and over one-hundred articles beneath her belt to be made of a little sterner stuff and perhaps a touch more resourceful -- but what does a rube like me know -- I just post on the internet.

    • That said, am I stupid for thinking that most people aren't going to switch to Linux primarily to play Windows games?

      No. But, maybe they won't switch at all because they can't play games on Linux?
      • Oh, absolutely. If games are on your top three list of things you need to be able to do, it's going to prevent you from switching to Linux.

        But the article isn't directed at them -- it seems, more than anything, to be directed at the proverbial dummy-who-just-switched. The snake is eating its own tail.

    • One person I know had his Windows crash beyond repair and decided to install Linux instead of reinstalling Windows yet again. The next day, the first thing he asks me is "How do I get Star Wars Galaxies working?" I told him he couldn't, and he went back to Windows the next day.

      Avid game players use their computers mostly for playing games. If they can't do that in Linux, there's no point in switching to begin with. There's definitely no point in spending months to become adept enough to play the same game

  • My experience (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dhess ( 65762 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @08:29PM (#9637660)
    A few days ago I did the following:

    1. Installed Debian i386 unstable in a chroot on my Debian amd64 unstable machine.
    2. Installed Cedega in the chroot.
    3. Installed the Nvidia 6106 x86-64 drivers and copied the 32-bit OpenGL libs to the i386 chroot.
    4. Installed Battlefield 1942, including the Desert Combat and Forgotten Hope mods, using Cedega in the chroot.

    It plays great on my Quadro FX 4000, not just vanilla BF1942, but also DC and FH -- pretty impressive considering it's running a 32-bit Windows binary using 32-bit OpenGL drivers using a 64-bit Nvidia driver on a 64-bit kernel. Kudos to Transgaming, Nvidia, and the Debian project.

    I'd much rather see a native port of BF1942 to GNU/Linux, though.
    • yay! good to know since I'm about to get in on some athlon64 + debian pure64 goodness : )

      • good to know since I'm about to get in on some athlon64 + debian pure64 goodness

        Native binaries of games are even better. The other night I played Neverwinter Nights while transcoding some mpeg2 video to xvid in the background, and didn't even notice any change in performance when transcode finished.

        Some things like the Loki games won't run on amd64 until you give them some old libraries to play with (I just copied a whole diectory of libs in from a stock RedHat9, and told ld.so.conf where to find it).

        On

    • If I don't know what the hell you are talking about (you lost me at "chroot"), am I going to be able to play Diablo on my Fedora Core I Riva TNT2 P4 machine?
    • Is performance acceptable, or more of a slideshow?

  • Somebody's in the wrong sandbox. (Score:4, Informative)

    by Ironmaus ( 725832 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @08:50PM (#9637798) Homepage
    Of course it's symptomatic of a bigger issue. The issue is that you've got a gaming industry editor for a Linux magazine trying to play emulated Windows games. Is there anyone who expected the process wouldn't be a giant pain in the ass?

    When we play emulated Nintendo games on other consoles or our PCs, there's always some glitch. If the sound cuts out or a character's animation begins to loop, that's just the way it goes. Come back after the next revision and see if the emulator has been fine tuned to handle that specific game. She admits trying only two games with Cedega before writing the experience off as too frustrating.

    I'm really happy to see her investigative journalism turn up the shocking truth about the industry: many games run Linux on their backends. But it's sad to see her expectations for the emulation of Windows clients are so unreasonable.

    Seriously, if you want a hassle free Linux gaming experience, go back to playing Tux Racer.

    • Re:Somebody's in the wrong sandbox. (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      When we play emulated Nintendo games on other consoles or our PCs, there's always some glitch. If the sound cuts out or a character's animation begins to loop, that's just the way it goes. Come back after the next revision and see if the emulator has been fine tuned to handle that specific game. She admits trying only two games with Cedega before writing the experience off as too frustrating.

      The difference is that TG claims they work well when in fact they don't work for shit. Second, she isn't just a "ga

      • Re:Somebody's in the wrong sandbox. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by shaitand ( 626655 ) * on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @10:36PM (#9638416) Journal
        Well then she should at least know that the DAOC trial is NOT on the supported games list. There isn't even a forum for it. The full version of DAOC classic or DAOC gold runs just fine however. I installed it earlier today.

        It didn't play for shit on a Geforce 2 but that's no shocker, it doesn't play for shit on a Geforce 2 on windows either. I can't think of any game with higher requirements. I popped in a FX5200 and away I went with a happy not laggy or buggy in the slightest DAOC experience.
    • Actually, I've done a lot of articles and interviews on Linux on the backend, talks with people like Ryan Gordon who do the Linux ports of many of the existing games that run natively, and Timothee Besset who does the Id Linux ports. Perhaps a bit of investigative journalism on your part might have noticed that. ;) A good chunk of LinuxWorld Magazine in April was dedicated to all of this stuff.

  • Linux doesn't do Windows games. Wow, news. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Incoherent07 ( 695470 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @09:02PM (#9637871)
    Don't be surprised when I, as a fairly avid gamer, don't switch over to Linux any time in the near future. With Windows, you put in the CD, and it works. No fooling with emulation or anything. With Linux, in order for it to work, you have to tweak WineX, and maybe even then it won't work.

    Fun story: A friend tried to run my copy of SkiFree through Wine. If he tried to use the keyboard (or maybe it was the mouse, can't remember), it would crash.

    I understand that as the emulation gets better, or perhaps as Linux gains a critical mass of people and game developers start making their games such that they'll run on Linux natively, this will stop being an issue. That time is not now.

    [Pre-emptive "but, but, but, dual boot" response: why bother? I have WinXP running, it's stable (I don't think I've *crashed* my system in about 6 months, and those were hardware problems), why should I reboot repeatedly to do things that I can do with Windows already?]
    • Oops, you forgot to preempt the "just buy an XBox" response. These days, I don't think games are a big thing that holds very many people in Windows, just because so few people use computers to play games any more.

      So, I understand that they might be keeping you from switching to Linux, I don't think you're in very large company. Since Microsoft seems determined to have a fairly small update cycle of consoles (XBox Next released next year), gaming on PCs might soon be even more of a fringe thing than Linu

    • As much as people love consoles, I just don't get off on them.

      My hands hurt after using the controller for too long.

      My tv is high def, but still isn't as nice as my computer screen.

      the graphics just don't compare to what my computer can do.

      I have more options for multiplayer online games, such as mogs , etc that i don't have with the console.

      I don't have a keyboard with my console to communicate with (though, xbox live is a nice step in the right direction).

      Also, i like going 'away' somewhere in my co
    • With Windows, you put in the CD, and it works.

      Hmmm... yesterday I installed Ground Control 2, it installed okay, ran, started the tutorial and it froze dead. Apparently I need the new drivers for my card. So I go and grab the new drivers, install them, GC2 works.. So later I play Thief 2... only I don't because it won't work with the new drivers until Ichange a directive to a text file to tell it to ignore the texture memory use. And don't even get me started on the amount of messing around it takes to ge

  • Half a day? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Otter ( 3800 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @09:06PM (#9637894) Journal
    I'm sorry, but if you're crying over wasting half a day you're not cut out to be a Linux desktop user. I've been fighting with the Conexant modem driver for -- it has to be getting close to three years!
    • Not trying to burst your bubble but as much as it sounds like fun fighting for 3 years would it not have saved time and money(cause time is money) if you just went and bought another moden which you know will work with your version of linux plus drivers?
      • Are you new here?

        My beloved old Thinkpad fell apart from old age before I got Linux working properly on it. I still keep looking at the shelf and wondering if Fedora Core 2 might detect the sound card properly.
    • took me less than a day to get my conexant hcfmodem working, have you tried google? Originally it was buggy but it has been behaving well for quite a while.

    • Heh, I got my Conexant HCF driver working in 3 DAYS.

      The sad thing is, that's still an obscenely long time. :-\

  • Comment removed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @09:57PM (#9638186)
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  • Dee-Ann LeBlanc and technical expertise (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @10:04PM (#9638218)

    I met Dee-Ann LeBlanc at a recent Linux conference and after a few minutes it became clear that (1) she is very much the stereotypical gamer and (2) she is very good at sounding like she understands the technical side of Linux.

    It's very much like the candidate in a job interview who knows some basics but then starts throwing out terminology to give the appearance of knowing what they are talking about. To a non-technical person it all sounds very impressive but a real techie can see through it pretty quickly.

    Someone who writes for a magazine with a technical audience like LinuxWorld should at least have some deeper understanding of the technical side of things. As an earlier comment said, this installation journal is written from the perspective of a recently switched Windows user who does not have a technical background. I doubt that's who Transgaming's main customers are.

    She writes "If I have to do "Linux Guru" things to get a mainstream product working, then there's a serious problem." Sorry, but this is not a mainstream product in the conventional Windows-user sense. It is a mainstream product in the conventional Linux-user sense.

    Linux desktop users tend to be technically oriented and those that aren't tend to be using it for basic things like Web, e-mail and office applications, not games. Games are among the most complex and demanding pieces of software anyone can run on a computer and some people are bound to have problems, especially when emulating Windows.

    Too many of her complaints of a "wasted afternoon" are about Fileplanet and Gamespy, their download times and registration issues, which have absolutely nothing to do with Cedega.

    Now I'm just wondering who the ghostwriter was that provided the technical information for the Linux books where she appears as the sole author. It seems obvious that her co-writers and the "et al" on some of those books are the source of the technical information they contain.

    It also makes me wonder what the value of those Red Hat certifications she has are.

    • Well, I've known Dee for well over a decade, and she's quite computer literate.

      I thought the article was helpful: if I was considering running Cedaga on Fedora Core 2, it would tell me what I needed to know. Namely, Radeon cards aren't well supported, and expect to get your hands dirty.

      It's an afternoon saved, from my point of view.

      Lsatly, your "ghostwriter" comments are so much sexist crap. And you really are a coward for not signing your name.

      Jon Acheson
    • What a load of bullshit.

      I'm not sure whether to rant or just refute you. WINE is a commercial product, offered to make it easy to get games running under Linux. If you think 'gamers' under linux automatically is far superior technically to 'gamers' under Windows, I think you're mistaken.

      Linux is an easy to use desktop product, for everyone. You make it sound like it more difficult to use than windows.

      In this case, it was no doubt more difficult to use, and I can understand it - as we're talking about
    • Interesting, which conference would this be? I'll be at LinuxWorld Expo in San Francisco, you're welcome to come by the LinuxWorld Magazine booth and set up a time to see me. Then we can have a little chat about how little I know. ;) I find the typical gamer comment pretty funny since I'm pretty behind on my game knowledge, mostly because I don't own a gaming box like an Xbox, PlayStation, or whatever, and I don't use Windows for games!
    • Actually, your comment makes me wonder how technically savvy YOU are. I went and read the article and she sounds fairly competent to me. Throwing around terms like "pipe", knowing that FC2 f*cked up XFree86Config, and browsing message boards to find solutions to technical problems.

      Trust me, my wife is someone who is *NOT* computer-savvy, and when she talks its nothing like Dee-Ann. Instead its phrases like "The thingy wouldn't do the stuff."

      Incidently, I'm also fascinated that many of the comments in t

  • Are these one-off problems, or symptomatic of a bigger issue?

    yes.
    shouldnt /. posters know by now that jackasses (me) will answer boolean questions with one word?
  • The article is about Cedega being a PITA. Yet, she never tried the Cedega product as a standalone package. She had problems with Point2Play, according to her article. I had quite a few problems. I tried Point2Play, Cedega, CVS WineX. After about two days of installing, uninstalling, downloading, compiling, tweaking, and hand editing in vim 100 or so times...I had the game run (although not playable). My vid-card wasn't fast enough is the conclusion. I will be purchasing an Nvidia card soon to resolve

  • Of course it is ... (Score:3, Funny)

    by blixel ( 158224 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @11:15PM (#9638709)
    Is the problem simply that she uses Fedora Core 2

    Of course it is. And if she were using Mandrake, that would "simply be the problem". And if she were using RedHat, that would "simply be the problem". And if she were using [insert name of distro here], that would "simply be the problem".

  • Dee-Ann (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Seraphim_72 ( 622457 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @11:27PM (#9638781)

    I first read her as a Lockergnome [lockergnome.com] Linux newsletter subscriber. Let us be kind here and say that I was underwhelmed by her knowledge of linux. To not be kind - there is a reason she wrote Linux for Dummies [amazon.com]

    :/

    Sera
    • Well, I'm a longtime friend of Dee's, and if you think she's a dummy, it's just a reflection on your people skills.

      I'm not saying she's a Torvalds or Carmack, but she's certainly intelligent and knowledgeable, and she's definitely a real, longtime Linux user. If she's having problems getting something to work, chances are I will too.

      I thought the article was detailed, informative, and clear. I could follow exactly what she did and where she hit problems. I can clearly tell that Radeon support is still not

      • Re:Dee-Ann (Score:3, Informative)

        by Seraphim_72 ( 622457 )
        Radeon support is not there and anyone who uses linux video acceleration knows this.
        Reflecting on my people skills is a nice segue but really shows your "skills" as well, it shows my opinion, no more. I told about my impression of her based on her Lockergnome columns ... like I said - I was underwhelmed. It seemed to be the writings of someone that was far to busy to write or edit a serious newsletter. As I remember her tenure was short, her legacy not that great. If you didn't get the "unkind" part of my
    • I wonder why so many people equate a friendly writing style with not knowing anything about Linux. I'll have to ask Marcel Gagne if he has the same problem. ;)
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        • I never had a chance to figure out the slow rendering problem. I never got anything to run. Later that day, I tried installing 3 more games that were all on the supported list. I got none of them to run. At all. In fact, one would install but then hang at 100% so that, in the end, the 30 minutes it took for it to place the files from the CD onto my hard drive were wasted ... it never saw the program as installed since the install didn't finish. I really like the people at TransGaming. I've hung out with t
          • Comment removed based on user account deletion
            • I appreciate your thoughtful responses. :) If it's for sale, I consider it a "finished product." I have little tolerance for the problem in the game industry in general where games go on sale when they are in a heavily unfinished state. I want Linux to succeed ... coddling Linux companies as a reviewer is not going to help toward that! The other 3 games were, let's see, Morrowind ... and I'll be damned if I can remember the other 2. I have such a big pile of games on my desk right now because I was sorting
    • there is a reason she wrote Linux for Dummies

      if you ever tried to teach anything to anyone, you know that it takes great knowledge to be able to explain it in simple terms so that linux illerates like me can understand (i have her book)

      I read somewhere above you that the linux community was somewhat composed of male chauvinist. I largely agree with that but I think its a necessary evil for the community in general to mature. Dee-Ann is one of the first to get shot at but as linux will gain popularity, it

      • I read somewhere above you that the linux community was somewhat composed of male chauvinist.

        What does this have to do with it? I don't care if she is animal, vegetable or mineral. Her gender has nothing to do with my opinion of her as an educator

        just the same way linux users are seen now - as freaks.

        No, not really, if you are seeing this I am sorry for you.

        more over if you need help

        ...ask...


        Here, have my email

        Seraphim_72@<nospam>yahoo.com

        take out the

        <nospam>

        ask away, I make a

    • Lots of attacks against the author, and few posts about the specifc points. Typical /.

  • Bias Against Female Techies (Score:5, Interesting)

    by r_benchley ( 658776 ) on Thursday July 08, 2004 @12:36AM (#9639172)
    There is a such a huge bias against female techies. She reports that she had difficulties getting a couple of games to work, and the male chauvinists shoot their mouths off. She might not be the most knowledgeble Linux user in the world, but she's written several books, many articles, and taught some Linux courses. If she was a dumbass, she would be out of a job. There are far too many skilled Linux users out there fo LinuxWorld to waste time with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Shit like this happened when Eugenia from OSNews.com wrote an unfavorable review of Fedora Core 1. Any time a complaint was made about the way something was implemented and the little boys jump in, denigrating the female as being stupid and not knowing what she was doing. You would hope that you wouldn't see this kind of immaturity in techies, considering that the majority of them are intelligent and well educated, but it persists even today.
    • I expected to get beat up since I panned a product. People get really personally invested in the stuff they like. I do love it when people insist I have no clue of what I'm doing, though! I really wonder what vibe I gave off to offend the fellow who says he saw me in person ... ;)
      • I don't know wether Dee knows what she's about or not and don't care about her gender... I just know this article needed an editor to say "clean up this mess" and didn't get it. Throwing a few unknowns into a bowl and stirring in a nice dollop of "I don't follow instructions" just makes glop, not a review.

        Here's what I posted at Linuxworld after reading her article...

        Given she admits she's trying to do this in Fedora for some (to me) unfathomable reason, and specifically says she repeatedly resorts to 'k
        • I actually don't tend to run into a lot of sexism in the Linux community. Typically, this community is far more about what you can do than who you are. However, with the ability to post as an Anonymous Cowards, there are a number of guys on ./ who feel like some kind of Big Strong Man when they can think of something nasty to say about someone, and it's so easy to just bash on them for their gender if they're not a guy. One day they'll grow up and realize how pathetic it is ... or they'll sit there in their
    • Some of the crap being posted is definitely sexist, but the majority of it is not. Had a guy written the same article, slashdot would be full-force mocking his inability to get a videogame installed as well. Especially if he claimed that the process "ended in tears." Plain and simple, if you admit you've failed to do something that they've done, they'll tear you up. Equal-opportunity newbie-bashing, as it were. Rude, yes. Sexist, no.

      Just to illustrate the point, here's a couple of posts from *this ve
      • I actually never said anything about ending up in tears. That was something added by whoever put the article in /.
        • Fair enough. That means the writeup comes down on the sexist side, to be sure. Please don't take my post as trying to justify sexism, or even the mere "rudeness" that is typical on slashdot. I meant it more as a "god, look how ruthless a horde of geeks is if you fail to do something they've done."

          It's no wonder converting people to linux is hard-- the people singing its praises will tear you to shreds if you have to ask for help.

          • I don't see why people: 1. Expect it to be that hard with everything in Linux. 2. Accept that Linux products should be difficult to use. I can figure it out as well as the next, but I'm not going to spend an entire weekend getting one program to work unless I have a really good reason!
            • Amen. That's why my linux box sits idle and gets used mainly for the occasional SSH session back to my house, while I run my home theater, work, communicate, and play video games on windows.

              I like Linux. I really do. I probably would like it more if I was back in college or high school, with more free time than money. But these days, I'm busy and want things to work quickly.

              That said, I accept that linux is hard to use primarily because it's FREE. Having any expectations of it at all is a little unfa

  • What? (Score:3, Informative)

    by cjpez ( 148000 ) on Thursday July 08, 2004 @12:44AM (#9639222) Homepage Journal
    I installed Cedega in about a minute:
    #cd /
    #tar zxvf ~/programs/cedega_4.0-1.i386.tgz
    ... and there I was, playing Vice City.
  • That's pretty paltry. Anyone I've ever talked to basically learns all their knowledge about linux installing things. =) ie. Oh! That's why it doesn't start X, I accidentally installed the unstable xlibs and screwed the pooch!!

  • There's been a lot of talk on the Transgaming forums, which are not open to the public, about the games which are "supported" by Cedega. The key point with Cedega is that some games work perfectly, some games have problems, and some games don't run at all. If the games you play don't run on Cedega, it's not worth paying $5 for the package.

    Though some people bitch about this fact, I have no problem with it. It's simple business: if their games work, people will pay for it. If they don't, well, they won

  • I finally got WineX working (Score:4, Interesting)

    by foxtrot ( 14140 ) on Thursday July 08, 2004 @03:34PM (#9645994)
    (check's in the mail, Transgaming...) and I can see where she's coming from.

    My biggest gripe is the fact that the emulation has a problem with breaking copy protection. Best I can tell, the first thing you have to do to get a WineX game working is go find a no-CD crack. (Make sure your cookie and pop-up shields are up; you're gonna need 'em...) Since most folks think of no-CD cracks as evil pirate stuff, no "legitimate" board would ever serve them (hey, Transgaming... your product kinda _requires_ 'em, why not chase 'em down and make 'em available to subscribers?) and they seem to be tough to find. Google for a civilization III no-CD crack and most of what you get are forum posts asking where to get one...

    But even before you run into that problem, you find that you're still missing parts-- Installshield, ferinstance, uses parts of DCOM98, which aren't emulated by WineX. That's OK; you can get your hands on those directly from Microsoft.

    Once you've got that working, part of the nature of the beast is that the error messages are going to be cryptic. Back to the Civilization example, when I'd run

    cvswinex c/Program\ Files/.../Civilization3.exe

    it crashed horribly, basically telling me "Hey, you should probably fire up a debugger..." Not WineX's fault, mind you, how is it supposed to know that your current working directory needs to be the same place as the Civilization executable, and Civ crashes if it ain't? Oh, and when you ran it before the no-CD crack, it was happy to actually hand you a window that said, "Hey, I refuse to run in a debugger because I think you're trying to break my copy protection!" So you're thinking the no-CD crack is broken up front, which sends you barking up the wrong tree.

    None of this, mind, is documented in the Civ forum on Transgaming's site, aside from the need for a no-CD crack.

    Now that it's running, it works pretty well (I've found one minor broken feature), but it was a chore getting it that way...

    • Re:I finally got WineX working (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      "Since most folks think of no-CD cracks as evil pirate stuff, no "legitimate" board would ever serve them (hey, Transgaming... your product kinda _requires_ 'em, why not chase 'em down and make 'em available to subscribers?) and they seem to be tough to find. Google for a civilization III no-CD crack and most of what you get are forum posts asking where to get one..."

      Forget the Google searching - this site is a savior for games whose copy protection doesn't work on your system: www.gamecopyworld.com [gamecopyworld.com]

  • I installed Diablo 2 & LOD with WineX on Xandros OCE with no problems at all. Insert disc, launch install, mount/unmount and swap discs as needed, Vidtest, patch via. battlenet, done.

    The only problem I ran into at all was needing to comment out the default line in my hosts file to connect to tcp/ip games on the lan.

    Game play is excellent, battlenet and local network games work fine. I've played it all the way through and just restarted on Nightmare level. Since I don't play DAoC anymore I can't spea

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