Let the Mindgames Begin 244
chienr writes "Like Pong, but instead of paddles, you use your brainwaves to control the ball over to the opponent's goal, that's Mindball! This apparatus was previously an experiment under the name Brainball, and is now commercially available - here's another link with video."
Controlling balls by the power of your mind? (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory Wane's World (Score:2)
Seems ripe for... (Score:4, Funny)
Hehe. I thought the same thing. (Score:5, Funny)
Duuuude, I am soooo much more relaxed than you.
Talkin smack bitch? Watch my total relaxation crush your total relaxation.
Whoooooaaaaaa
Re:Hehe. I thought the same thing. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Seems ripe for... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Seems ripe for... (Score:2)
And it's highly groovy!
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Obligatory George W. Bush reference... (Score:2)
Just... too... easy -- Must... resist...
Take a nap (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Take a nap (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Take a nap (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Take a nap (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, hypnosis could be use to increase concentration which may prove useful in achieving the desired feedback state, but hypnosis in itself does not make any measurable change in wave patterns.
Re:Take a nap (Score:2)
Time for me to get back to doing some zazen.
Re:Take a nap (Score:2)
Re:Take a nap (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Take a nap (Score:3, Funny)
Nothing new (Score:4, Funny)
Atari was going to put out a similar device for their 2600 way back when.
Re:Nothing new (Score:5, Funny)
That doesn't compare to the disappointment of finding out that feeding pictures of models into your printer, hooking up a Barbie to jumpercables and waiting for an electrical storm with a bra on your head to make Kelly LeBrock emerge from your bedroom closet was bunk too.
Re:Nothing new (Score:2)
Anyway, not to start a flame war, but I'd take Mia Sara aka Sloane Peterson over Kelly LeBrock any day.
This reminds me oddly of 2001 (Score:5, Interesting)
It's just like how the book 2001 predicted we'd have space travel, and land on the moon, then we did, way before 2001. It's nice when technology moves faster than fiction.
Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 (Score:5, Insightful)
About 2001. Where we had a moon base, commercial space station, regular commercial space travel, and a big ol' manned trip to Jupiter by this point?
If this is a troll color me hooked...
Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 (Score:2)
You left out black monoliths.
Re:This reminds me oddly of 2001 (Score:2)
Then again, I've never seen a futuristic show where someone was playing games or controlling a car with their mind with the exception of the movie Firefox, but then it was a jet and not a car.
In other words, whacha talkin' 'bout, Willis!?
The most relaxed player wins. Interesting. (Score:5, Funny)
This may have uses in anger management courses, but I can't see it popping up in bars and arcades any time soon.
The most relaxed player wins all games. (Score:3, Insightful)
When you care, you hesistate, and when you hesistate, you leave the groove.
It's important to plow forward with a sense of abandonment. Any excess tension, mental or physical, will shut you down - no matter if you are in a concert hall, the golf course, or a tennis court!
Re:The most relaxed player wins all games. (Score:2)
Obligitory Star Trek Reference (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference (Score:5, Funny)
I always figured the reason why Wesley didn't fall for the game was because Ashley's *cough* charms were too distracting for him to concentrate on directing the ball into the funnel. I mean, how many geeks would be playing a stupid-ass videogame like that when you're sitting right next to Ashley Judd?
Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference (Score:2)
One who has the mental capacity of a wet noodle,
one who has the social skills a wet noodle, and the third who has the physical capacity of a wet noodle!
(not funny, but I don't see y'all doing any better)
"Where No Man Has Gone Before" (Score:2)
Re:Obligitory Star Trek Reference (Score:2)
They had something like this on TNG's episode "The Game" [...]
That's right! So, if this game also involves a psychotropic reaction, I guess the Swedes are looking to take over the world! :-)
zRe:Forgive my absolute ignorance.... (Score:5, Funny)
A Linux user kissed Ashley Judd. Yes, it's true (Wil Wheaton uses Mandrake). BEAT THAT YOU SMUG BSD SNOBS!
Mindgames? (Score:5, Funny)
EGG?! (Score:3, Informative)
Don't they mean the EEG, the electroencephalogram?
A Concerned Reader by the name of Paolo (marcoe.net)
Re:EGG?! (Score:2, Funny)
Yawn (Score:4, Funny)
"Oh don't give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ No, don't you give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die/ Won't you pour me one more of that sinful Old Janx Spirit").
Re:Yawn (Score:2)
I Can't Really Play... (Score:5, Funny)
Instant Success (Score:3, Interesting)
Chevy Chase would say... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Chevy Chase would say... (Score:2)
Do you think that is air you are breating?
Re:Chevy Chase would say... (Score:2)
Oh boy, Chevy Chase (as Ty Webb) has some great lines in Caddyshack:
Ty Webb: You take drugs, Danny?
Danny Noonan: Every day.
Ty Webb: Good. What's the problem?
Danny Noonan: I don't know.
Ty Webb: I like you, Betty.
zDanny Noonan: That's Danny, sir.
Ty Webb: Danny.
Rather steep price (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Rather steep price (Score:2)
I agree (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Rather steep price (Score:5, Informative)
Was thinking exactly the same thing.
Instead of directly reading brainwaves, one could rig up a similar game using those cheap "bio-feedback" devices (you remember... the ones that attach to your finger and generate a tone? The "more relaxed" you are, the "lower" the tone goes).
Sure, it wouldn't be *exactly* the same, but it would be a similar concept... and for under $50.
Re:Rather steep price (Score:2)
The website makes it look like you need to contact a salesperson to get a quote. I truly hate websites with no feedback at all about pricing. I've spent two weeks trying to get a solid number from a sales person, only to find out they were 100k outside of my (10k) budget.
Lot of other stuff on this (Score:5, Interesting)
Lot of other stuff on this:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58193,00
and this one [karoo.net] which is funny..
Cheers
Re:Lot of other stuff on this (Score:2)
also, his descriptions of getting massive headaches and the spins.
yea, he probably would kick my ass at mindball..
that guy is hardcore..
I've tried it... (Score:2, Interesting)
Thinking about it gets me angry, and everytime I get angry, slashdot gets 503 errors... Sorry about those, folks.
Seriously, though... isn't there such a thing as 'rolling back production code,' and 'unit tests,' and 'testing out code on a test server before pushing to production'?
Those of us that work in coding shops use these profusely... would be more professional to see something like this in action at slashdot.
If you agree, pleas
What? Production Standards? (Score:3, Insightful)
Chicago Tribune: Link [yahoo.com]
Additional: Hasn't missed a paper since the Chicago Fire...All I received Monday was the Business section. Didn't bring the company down...but hurt big!
Sprint: Link [nwfusion.com]
Additional: Sprint had to outsource it because if you own a sprint phone and ever called customer service, half the time they couldn't help you because the computers were down! Almost brought the company down.
A&TT Wireless: Link [cio.com]
Additi
Re:I've tried it... (Score:2)
Wouldn't it be cool if you could see who moderated you? I think anonymous moderation is for cowards.
Re:I've tried it... (Score:2)
Looks like somebody on the OSDN payroll didn't agree. FortKnox got modbombed and temp-banned. I wonder what will happen to me if I reply? Will Michael modbomb me, ban me, then personally drive to my house and try to shove a swiss cake roll in my disk drive?
How it works (Score:2, Interesting)
It uses a P6 response which is exercised through pre-emptive expectant brain activity. If you hook up a ECG, and filter the waveforms, at certain points a frequency jumps, at the point where you expect a red traffic light to go green.
Signal processing of ECG signals allows you to isolate certain conditions of thought, and therefore, thought allows you to control whatever is triggered by the filters.
Neat! I can save m
Re:How it works (Score:2)
Except the men in black.
They already know.
AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! (Score:4, Informative)
Kaneda: Tetsuuuo!
Tetsuo: Kanedaaa!
Re:AAAaaakirrrrraaaaa! (Score:3, Funny)
Tetsuo: Kanedaaa!
Sasuke: _______
a) Akira
B) Inuyasha
c) Naruto
d) Bender
Damn, I hate these... um... B?
Easy to do, but way too slow (Score:2)
There was a "biofeedback" [webideas.com] boom back in the 1970s. Most of these ideas were tried back then.
How about the reverse? (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course; this might end up looking like a constipation contest if it got out of hand! heh
Re:How about the reverse? (Score:3, Interesting)
sounds right. (Score:2)
Relaxing Competition (Score:2)
Once you started to lose... (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm guessing that the final loser would have to perform a forfeit, which was usually obscenely biological.
Re:Once you started to lose... (Score:2)
I usually play to lose.
Stuart
Arcades (Score:2)
Spectacle (Score:3, Interesting)
This is an absolute (apologies to Scott Bakula) Quantum Leap over anything I've ever seen before. I'm no scientist so I haven't seen the prior research, but this is amazing stuff. I think if the news media gets a hold of this one the interest would skyrocket.
Whether this is proof of concept or not, the reality is that nothing has ever been created that is anywhere like this in the commerical market. Even for the super-rich, this is the toy to have. I could've swore this was $199.00 (by quickly misreading the price) and was pulling at my wallet when I realized my mistake.
Where is the wonder? Where is the spectacle? Are we really so jaded to everything that when something unabashadly ingenius arrives, even in the most simplistic of forms, we can't simply enjoy it?
I believe this is the beginning of an era, one that will only hasten its way here if this gets the attention it deserves. What geek wouldn't love to face-off with an archrival or friend?
Battle of wits? Meeting of the minds? This is fantastic.
I have wanted to make these sorts of things (Score:2)
Anyone have any insights as to the kind of education needed?
Right now I'm looking at CSE (comp. sci with some EE) and a chem minor and then grad/med school for some sort of neuroscience.
That last part is based on nothing at all though, I still have some time until I graduate.
(actually my real goal is to achieve world domination through my AI enhanced droid army)
Does it work when... (Score:2, Funny)
Wow... mind controlled computer software... (Score:2)
Re:Wow... mind controlled computer software... (Score:2)
You must surf... in Russian!
(In Soviet Russia, you must surf?)
Yes but it doesnt have anything on neverball (Score:2)
What, jedi mind tricks? Well fine then, neverball's still FOSS! =P
Control with your Mind != Detects Relaxation (Score:5, Insightful)
In actuality though, the difference between YOU CONTROL IT WITH YOUR MIND and "you take a few deep breaths, and your levels change" is quite a big dissapointment.
This sounds no different.
What I *really* want to see is something that you calibrate: i.e. Think "left," and the pattern is recognized, likewise for think "right." Then you can control an actual game of Pong or Arkanoid with your mind. That would impress me.
Real Multi-Axis Mind Control (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Real Multi-Axis Mind Control (Score:2, Interesting)
They also have some quite complex software to map incoming features to computer functions (controlling the mouse, keyboard, etc).
I'm doing a bit of work on their feature detection to detect long features more accurately.
New Science from the Mindball home page (Score:3, Funny)
Cripes, I've been doing it wrong all these years. I thought it was electroencephalogram (EEG). Now I find out that the brain runs on chicken embryos.
Makes sense though. Most people I know are either hard boiled, fried, or totally scrambled. I wonder if I can get a refund on my student loans and apply for chef's school instead.
The anti-drug TV ad was right: "THIS IS YOUR BRAIN....."
It begins... (Score:2, Funny)
Move the Ball (Score:5, Funny)
ummmm. wait, that didn't come out right
Re:Move the Ball (Score:2, Funny)
Finally, we can compete... (Score:2)
with those monkeys who play video games with their minds [slashdot.org].
What about the CyberLink? (Score:2)
EEG sensor? (Score:2)
Played it at the Wired Nextfest (Score:2)
I kicked ass BTW. Who would have thought I was so relaxed?
$19k? How about a homebrew system using OpenEEG? (Score:3, Interesting)
You could probably build the entire thing for less than $1000 in parts.
brain waves versus eye muscles (Score:2)
In practice this isnt bad. In degenerate nerve diseases or cervical trauma, your eye muscles are usually the last voluntary muscles to stop operating.
Mindball ... (Score:2)
One word.... (Score:2)
Om!
Forget the Star Trek and Star Wars references... (Score:2)
(Not ID Software, and the lameness filter wouldn't let me SHOUT!)
How can this be calibrated? (Score:2)
How do you know that what happens to the ball actually correlates to anything but noise? Blinking your eyes will set an EEG off the map; if you blink do you lose?
I think it would be very hard to show that this is measuring any real state
i did play this one! (Score:3, Informative)
why did u peaople post this, i was such a happy winner for several months
Mindball? (Score:5, Funny)
So, how long... (Score:2)
Let's see... paddles... balls.. up and down movement... brainwaves... paypal interface... yup, all in place!
Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars (Score:2, Informative)
They had a table at the Wired NextFest [nextfest.net] in SF a few months back.
It was one of the most entertaining things for me there. (The Z-Printer was
another cool thing. (Printed 3D models.))
As they describe, a person per side, each with a headband to read brain activity
like an EEG. Press a button for game reset and the ball moves to the center
(magnetic mechanism under the table). I believe the graphs' Y-axes corresponded
to brain activity *frequency*.
(Brain wave frequencies for your ref
Keep it away from me.... (Score:2)
In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
More SF turns to reality (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Competition of the slackers (Score:2)
As someone else mentioned, though, watching two people act constipated may not be any more fun.