Should Game Consoles Make Breakfast, Too? 292
Ryan writes "Is the idea of 'convergence' (the notion that a single digital appliance will handle multiple tasks) in gaming consoles even worth it? CNET News has an article discussing the issues of convergence related to gaming - it seems like a lot of consumers aren't worried about the bells and whistles, yet they keep throwing them at us." The article mentions the "underwhelming" response to Sony's PSX console/DVR combo, whose "arrival in North America--originally slated to happen in time for the 2004 holiday shopping season--is now set for an unspecified date in 2005."
Kinda obvious (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Kinda obvious (Score:4, Insightful)
This was at a time when DVD players were well over $150/ea. Seemed like a great bargain to me.
The cell phone guys should take note of this. (Score:4, Insightful)
Separate But Equal (Score:5, Insightful)
A better idea is to have all these 'parts' interconnect in a more seamless way - have additional devices plug in to a master controller, which would allow infinite connections (instead of the current setups where the 3rd game system is connected on the 'tape' monitor.
convergence? blech! (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, convergence is good (Score:5, Insightful)
But don't try to do it all with hardware.
Imagine a device that I can plug into my TV. It will play DVDs, it will take my CD's, convert them to MP3s (autmatcially putting in track names and authors), it will allow internet surfing (yes, a TV isn't as good as a monitor), PVR, game playing, paying bills online, etc. it will handle VOIP (with built in message manage), IM, home automation, home security, water the lawn when it needs it, etc.
Sounds nice, I'd buy one. Oh wait I have one, its called a computer. None of the things I mentioned above are new. Rolling all of these features into one device is going to take forever. However, build a nice fanless computer. Make it a DVD player and have some basic MP3 functionality. Release. Do a software update to allow web surfing. Do a software update to do home automation (thermostat, time lights, etc). Do a software update to ... you get the picture. The thing is, this can all be done today, nothing is new. But trying to build it all at once is the wrong way to go at it. Start slow, release often. Sure most of us on slashdot aren't going to be the target market, but our families, friends, and other non-techno people are.
Nothing New (Score:3, Insightful)
Plus, I would rather have devices that performed one function, and did them well, than one device that could do several things rather poorly. The PS2 is a great game playing machine, but makes a lousy DVD player.
Re:The cell phone guys should take note of this. (Score:5, Insightful)
I've got the same problem with my new wizbang Nextel/Motorola cell phone. It's smaller does a zillion neato things, but it gets consistantly worse reception than the one I had for the last three years that simply called people.
Sigh.. No, and this isn't news (Score:5, Insightful)
I have a seperate DVD player and XBox. The fact that the XBox can play DVDs didn't stop me from getting the DVD player. Why? Because I want to watch a movie upstairs while my kids play Soul Calibur II. Simple, huh? Why should I buy two $500 devices when a $40 DVD player and $120 Xbox do what I need?
And hey, when my XBox breaks, I can still watch DVDs, play CDs, pay my bills online, keep my milk cold and fresh, and make delicious toaster pastries.
All-in-one devices are single points of failure.
Not to mention the "jack of all trades, master of none" angle. Sure the XBox can play DVDs. But not in 640p (ok after modding and hacking it can). Even a $40 DVD player has progressive scan these days. It's a specific example, but of a general trend.
Just like instead of a reliable phone with good battery life, manufacturers think we "really want" is a shitty phone, grainy camera, buggy PDA, and laughingly unplayable games.
Hell, a clie is small enough that I can duct-tape it to the phone myself, if that's what I need.
I can see niche markets for some of this convergance stuff. The rich guy who did a 100,000 dollar remodel of his living room, and an a/v rack with room for a DVD player, TiVo and PS2 just aren't in the budget. Fine, he can pay the premium.
Question (Score:5, Insightful)
Business would be a lot better if management would stop looking for the ultimate money grab and spend more time on the quality of their products and the non-monetary value of their business.
Your Chocolate's In My Peanut Butter! (Score:3, Insightful)
As for bringing PCs into the picture, I think Apple may be on the right track with their Airport networking which allows streaming of music from your computer to your stereo system. I like that because it keeps the computer in the office where I want it. So I like the idea of various devices being able to work together without having to be in the same box. Unfortunately, I can see entertainment industry's paranoia getting in the way of these efforts since they are so worried about people pirating music and movies.
Pffffft!! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm tired of manufacturers shoving convergence down my throat. For example, I want a cellphone that does one thing...gives me excellent performance as a phone. I don't give a damn about it being a camera, I have cameras for that. I don't give a rat's ass if it can function as a PDA, I have a PDA for that. I just want it to be a phone, and be a damned good one. Not a piss-poor phone/PDA/camera/kitchen sink.
Re:Kinda obvious (Score:5, Insightful)
1. All-in-one = single point of failure when something breaks, and needs to be replaced.
2. Generally speaking, all-in-one devices incorporate propietary technologies to promote lock-in and/or reduce 3rd party tech licensing costs for the company (SONY!!!!).
3. Quality of stand alone components is usually much higher. Think stereo equipment.
4. Modularity = more cost effective upgrade path.
5. All-in-one = usually more complex than individual devices. Stand alone means you can learn and understand the functions fully before moving onto the next component. Sometimes the 'role' of a device is confused when it is consolidated. e.g. Does 'play' mean play the
6. All-in-one convergence not always a logical combination. Digital camera cell phones? mp3 player cell phones? Cell phones tend to be the worst examples of this phenomenon.
Convergence usually is successful if its the result of a natural evolution of a product. I don't think that marketers can force convergence on its audience...especially when its marked up substantially.
Re:The cell phone guys should take note of this. (Score:2, Insightful)
Ok: Everybody that's gotten a virus through their phone, raise their hand. Nobody? Ok. Anybody that's played games on their phone, raise their hands. Hmm quite a few.
"when they don't even have the basic voice features working yet."
Uh, yeah they do. Been working great since 97.
Make a call: Check.
Recieve a call: Check.
Save phone numbers into a phone book: Check.
Recieve voice mail: Check.
Voice Mail indicator: Check.
Caller ID: Check.
Decent rate plans: Check.
No roaming or long distance charges: Check.
Pretty darned good coverage across the country: Check.
I have no clue when it became so fucking fashionable to complain about cell phones here. There are a lot of people these days that don't even have a landline because their cell phone handles the job just fine. So spare us al the "basic voice features" karma-whoring line. Every single story that mentions cell phones has one of these comments modded up, even though it's so obviously wrong.
Nintendo has it right. (Score:3, Insightful)
Good games.
Good, high quality, fun, games with recognizable characters.
People line up for the next "mario" game because the last 20 have been fantastic. It sells systems, and has a great track record.
I mean, have you played windwaker? Its a friggin work of art!
Just 3 buttons please! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:The cell phone guys should take note of this. (Score:2, Insightful)
How about the "save my voicemails for archival purposes" that the grandparent post mentioned. Old tape-based answering machines did this. Seems a new one could easily upload a .mp3 to a computer in the same way they do it with videos.
I'd much rather a phone upload a voice mail than upload a digital picture - yet the phone vendors added the latter feature but not the former. This is so much more silly because I already have a digital camera that takes better pictures than the phone.
PC = multifunction. Most else, single function (Score:2, Insightful)
I prefer a regular alarm clock and a seperate radio with better sound, so even that one doesn't fly.
Sure I like doing lot's of things on my PC, but when I make a phone call, I like to do it from a telephone. When I fix my car, I like ordinary ratchets with regular sockets (sorry Bob Vila, no pocket socket). When I want a fork or a spoon, I do not want a spork. The Mega-Gadget 2000 may look cool, but using any one feature is far more cumbersome than using the individual tools it replaced, and if it breaks, I no longer have my whatcha-ma-callit, my doo-hickey, or my whirli-bob. Plus, if I buy a PSX, I still can't play Halo.
Re:Question (Score:4, Insightful)
Products and services can thrive without being the biggest or best. But that will always be the goal, because the returns are almost always greater.
Killing a project that costs more than it's worth is good business. For the most part, Sony devices perform their primary function very well. Their TV's are great for watching TV, their consoles are extremely fun, their cameras take good pictures.
A company as big as Sony doesn't get where it is without having business smarts.
RCA HDTV Convergence Problems (Score:3, Insightful)
Now I want to add a tivo. Hmm... No video out from the TV. There's nothing. No RCA, or even COAX outs from this HD receiver. It's all routed internally. Even pulling the back cover off revealed nothing useful to "hack" into.
And now I see HDTV external turners with built in Tivo. Those are really cool, and I'd love to get one, but there's no HDTV inputs on the back of my RCA. Guess the engineers didn't think people would ever be connecting such devices to their HDTVs. I mean WTF?!?
Convergence blows. It basically locks you into something that might be obsolete in a few months (or years, if you're lucky).
Re:Only Nintendo really "gets it". (Score:2, Insightful)
I like how my XBOX is a high speed DVD player, replaces my CD player (and CDs).
Its not like these software features cost a lot to add, they simple copy/pasted the code from their other products (ie: Windows media player)
If it doesnt add to the cost, why not add it?
I found it pathetic that the SegaCD could play audio CDs and the cube cant
Convergence isn't popular because.. (Score:1, Insightful)
1. The components they put into the consoles never work as well as a stand alone versions.(See: DVD Playback in PS2)
2. People balk at paying $400-$500 for something all at once. They are more comfortable paying $150 for a console one month, buying a DVD player for $100 the next, and a DVR for $150 the following month.
3. People like to have THE BEST. The best console, the best DVD player, the best DVR. A Converged Console isn't going to be the best at anything other than saving space.
4. People like to have their gadgets seperate because it looks "cooler". Lights. So. Pretty.
Re:Kinda obvious (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Separate But Equal (Score:3, Insightful)
Think computers (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Only Nintendo really "gets it". (Score:2, Insightful)
Seriously, I thought /. users knew more about gaming in general to insult Nintendo. Where did it all go so wrong
Re:Pffffft!! (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, maybe you enjoy carrying a separate cellular phone (make that two, actually--one for GSM and another for TDMA), pager, PDA, camera, MP3 player, calculator, stopwatch, and handheld videogame all around everywhere, but I'd much rather carry one device that does it all.
No, we're not at the point where all of those functions can be adequately performed by a single device YET, but we're getting closer.
No one's forcing convergence on you. If you don't want an address book in your mobile phone, just don't use the address book -- it's not like they were going to offer a model without the address book for $20 less anyway. It's basically no-cost.
Or, buy a deprecated handset model on closeout -- almost every phone manufactured in the past 5 years is still supported by the carrier networks, and you can get an entire case of no-frills phones dirt cheap. Problem is, you'll miss out on all the other advances in technology the hardware guys came up with while integrating cameras and IR ports in the handsets -- things like improved reception quality, longer talk time...
Most annoying thing about convergance... (Score:3, Insightful)
So, that $900 PSX can record TV shows and Movies to DVD or internal HD or play games, but not both at the same time. If you want to play Final Fantasy X while you're recording Stargate SG-1, tough.