Valve Takes the Offensive on Warez Users? 1127
Drull writes "It's claimed by a poster on filefront.com that Valve might have released a "Warez" version of Half-Life 2 to monitor and ban those who attempt to use it. This is the news from some guy with a filefront account, so take it with a grain of salt.
Just asking for trouble (Score:3, Interesting)
I'll really feel sorry for those people who perhaps used this (if real) file to "no cd" their legitimate versions thinking that they were trying to save themselves some Steam hassle only to hose their system/accounts.
Re:Just asking for trouble (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Avoiding to piss off their consumer base? (Score:2, Interesting)
You can't expect perfection right off the bat. It would be nice, but it isn't realistic.
Re:Unlikely, but a nifty idea (Score:2, Interesting)
Several Possibilities (Score:4, Interesting)
"Let's let people mod our game. And what the hell, we'll buy the leading map editor for our format and give it out for free." iD didn't do that. Everyone else followed Valve's lead here.
The way I would like to see Valve approach this, would be to let people get a taste of the game with the pirated version (maybe the first 1-2 chapters) and then lock Steam down tight, wipe out a few of the required game files (like the
I hope Valve does have some kind of a crackdown in progress, we'll have to see where it goes from here. Gabe never replied to my question about the "post-Steam" future of Half-Life 2, which is my only real concern about the authorization system.
Re:Take a lesson (Score:5, Interesting)
Many people are complaining because it took then close to 4 hours to get approval to play the game once they installed it.
Also the word on the street is that you can get the pirate crack for this, and be playing it in less time.
How incredibly astute of them! (Score:2, Interesting)
Side note: it's depressing how much my idioms have changed after living in Saskatchewan for five years.
No soup for who? (Score:5, Interesting)
How can they expect to track people? Bittorrent? The only tracking information specified in BT is IP address, and most people have a dynamic IP which can be changed by unplugging their modem for 10 minutes.
And what's the penalty? They're banned from the service they don't need? So what?
Re:Unlikely, but a nifty idea (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean, they uploaded for everyone else to copy. Freely. With no EULA presumably.
Surely if Valve put it online then it's not illegal to download/use it and the worst they can do is ban you from Steam?
Half-Life 2 for FREE, no warez, no crack (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Take a lesson (Score:3, Interesting)
I bought it to play against my coworkers. I can't install it and use it. It _requires_ an outbound UDP connection on a wierd port. Before anyone makes a comment about playing it at work, we're _allowed_ to where I work. Our corporate security policy has rules about it (after 5 pm, only legal software, yadda yadda yadda), but our bosses will play Warcraft III and such with us. It makes for a great stress reliever or team building exercise.
So, I did it at home instead. Install took 45 minutes (5 CDs?! Gimme a damned DVD!) then Steam took 20 minutes to get "registered" then another 25 minutes to "unlock" the binaries.
Everyone I work with is pissed off about how Steam works.
Maybe it could hurt Valve more (Score:5, Interesting)
Now, how is Valve going to track the user? Look on their computer for a Steam account and ban all accounts found? What if one of their friends had been over playing on their box, logged into steam, and there were two accounts on the machine? Ban both accounts? I know I was showing my friend the CS:Source beta when he didn't have it, I saw my account directory still on his machine last week. What if the user of the pirated software didn't even have Steam? Ban his IP? Not practical due to dynamic IP's. I know, many people have broadband connections with static IPs, but still many don't. Also, if a user owns a steam account, it's a good bet that they have purchased a product, such as HL or CS:CZ. If someone can find in the Steam EULA where it allows Valve to revoke use of a product that a user already owns, please post it in reply to this. Direct quotes only please. So, in summary, this is either bullshit or a pretty stupid plan... I'm betting on the former.
Pah! (Score:3, Interesting)
One, Valve's LAN-gaming policy is retarded -- you have to apply a month in advance if you want to play a Valve game at a LAN-party, but at the moment it's not enforced. However, all they need to do is disable the "offline play" mode on Steam...
Two, what happens if at some point in the future Valve go belly up? What good then your $60 piece of software?
Three, this is just another step towards some sort of stupid broadcast flag/induce act piece of moronicity.
Four, the only people inconvenienced by this (along with every other piece of product activation ever created) are people who paid for it. People with warezed versions are saved the hassle (and in the case of the CS:Source Emporio release, occasionally get extra features).
So long, Gabe -- I waited years for HL2, but I guess I'll never get to play it now.
Re:Take a lesson (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Avoiding to piss off their consumer base? (Score:3, Interesting)
I knew what I was getting into, mostly. Though I was under the impression that Steam was a one-time thing, that once authenticated I didn't need to deal with it ever again. I was obviously very wrong.
But none of this means that I have to like it, or that I can't bitch about it and either improve Steam or make it optional for single player games again, as it should be. Maybe if enough people bitch enough, Valve will see the light. In theory, I could return the game (voting with your pocketbook is very effective), but it does work eventually, and it's fun once started, so I don't really have much of a case to make to return it.
Re:Take a lesson (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Take a lesson (Score:5, Interesting)
They reinvented Divx for games. I can still play System Shock 2, despite the fact that Looking Glass Studios shut down years ago. Prove to me that I can legally play HL2 five years from now.
Re:Take a lesson (Score:4, Interesting)
Uh huh. And WeSpy4U2.33 is part of Kazaa. ("See, the product doesn't work if you try to bypass the spyware component! We're just trying to enhance your Kazaa experience and make sure you have the latest and greatest we have to offer!")
What happens next, when EA writes its own clone of Steam, without which no EA titles will run? And when Activision writes its clone? And Sony writes its clone? And the MPAA writes its clone and bundles it with Windows Media Player 16.666? And RIAA writes its clone as a part of theyTunes 2.0?
How many of these "online content delivery services" will we have to be running, simultaneously, hoping that none of them conflict with each other, cursing the pop-up ads that come as marketeers decide to "monetize" the desktop, and taking "self help measures" when they see us doing something they don't like?
And how many of them will be as "honest" about not being spyware as Steam might be?
Even though... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Take a lesson (Score:1, Interesting)
As good as the game may be, i will not give money to a company that endorses such shit policies. As soon as there is a cracked version that eliminates the need for a net connection i will be using it on my internet free gaming box, but Valve will not see a penny from me. Im not a 'pirate', i just dont support companies with shit policies.
Re:Just asking for trouble (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, a big reason is to play single player (many people buy HL2 just for that reason) without having to be connected to the internet.
You'd risk running some hacker's code on your machine just to save -maybe- 10 or 15 seconds
Or being unable to connect at all if their authentication server happens to be down (it's not like it has never happened before), or being delayed as you say, or having to have your network connection ready which can be annoying if you play with a laptop and move around a bit more from your geek cellar.
Re:Avoiding to piss off their consumer base? (Score:2, Interesting)
I did not find an option in the Steam menu to tell it not to do whatever it was doing (I assume it's talking to the Internet, but I really don't know -- I haven't whipped out the network sniffer yet.)
Either way, from the time I get logged into my computer, it's almost 8 minutes until I can play HL2. Compare to Doom 3, where it's only 90 seconds. If you've got an option in Steam that will remove this delay, by all means, share it. I didn't find it on my own.
Apparantly the fact that I want to play a single player game that still needs to talk to an Internet anti-piracy/advertising service.Have you considered that maybe I'm not as dense as you're assuming I am?
Re:Just asking for trouble (Score:2, Interesting)
I consider HL2 a victory against piracy (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Unlikely, but a nifty idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Thats an interesting legal question. We do know the intent of the participants though (assuming this happened at all, which seems doubtfull.)
The downloaders were trying to get a free version of something they knew was not free.
The company did not want to give away the game for free, just catch pirates.
Given those two intentions, and the governments willingness to make copyright infringement something the Department of Justice can prosecute, the law won't stop this sort of action for long. If companies want to do this and the law won't let them, the law will change quickly.
I think the what makes your argument seem so compelling is an ambiguity: "...they uploaded for everyone else to copy. Freely." Freely as in they did not want people to pay for the game? They may have made it possible (easier) for people to cheat the activation, but they did not intend to have people not paying. Just the opposite: they knew people would steal it and made it possible for them to do so, while collecting info. about the people. It's like putting a copyrighted picture on the web: people might steal it, but their the one's who've done wrong, not you for making it possible.
Makes me think the RIAA should post every song it can to its own web site and just see who downloads what.
Im pirating ASAP! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Take a lesson (Score:3, Interesting)
I will let you in on a secret: I just returned HL2 to EB and I am downloading the said cracked version. It is the first time ever I am pirating a game. This is my answer to Steam.
Not only the fucking thing did not work, I object to the idea of Steam on principle. I do not care if those morons at Valve figure that they will get rich by trying to chain me down by my balls so that every time they yank the chain, I will have to part with more of my money.
I did my duty as a consumer, I went to the store, bought the thing and followed the instructions. They failed their duty as manufacturer and treated me like a thief and via their extreme "protection" measures not only failed to make their product opearational buy also attempted to violate my privacy and take control of my computer.
I have news for you Valve. If you are going to treat me like a thief, assume that only your time is worth something and mine is utterly worthless, treat me with contempt as your "technical support" isn't, I will resort to one of the remedies available to me: I will do the "thieving" you are accusing me of, because if I am going to get the treatment, I might as well get the benefits.
Oh and by now it is you who ows me money since the cost of your "product" is far less then the expense of my time attempting to make it work. The going rate for my type of services is ~$150/hr and I spend in exceess of 10 hours allready on this crap troubleshooting it. Let it be lesson to you! You just turned someone who despite his view of "Intellecual Property" bullshit was up to now a law-obiding consumer into your dreaded nemesis: a "pirate"! Arghhh mateys!
No more of this nonsense. The gravvy train has ended for you scumbags.
Re:Just asking for trouble (Score:4, Interesting)
AMEN!
BF1942 was so bad that about 9/10 times it refused to see my perfectly good OEM disk in the drive. i would have to try restarting the game, many, many times, and sometimes restart the computer also. Sometimes I just gave up. Once I got the no-cd crack, I was finally able to play the game I had purchsed the day it was released. (not cheap either!)
What Would This Be? (Score:5, Interesting)
Or, as someone else suggested, a
Or there's option C. That this is bullshit scaremongering. My money's on the latter.
And since when did rumours in jumped-up forum posts become news, anyway?
Bad Slashdot.
Re:Half-Life 2 for FREE, no warez, no crack OCR'd (Score:1, Interesting)
1 Launch Steam.
2 Right click on Half-Life 2 in the 'Just Released' list and click 'Purchase'.
3 Enter the following cd-key and click 'Next':
(removed due to lameness filter, just use all "*")
4 then it gets to 2 bars. pull out four network cable or disconnect four modem.
5 Let it keep going. don't crash steam. then it finishes you should get a message
saving ''Servers are busy and then Half-Life 2 will appear in Your 'My games' list.
Now put the network cable back in or reconnect your modem Do not attempt to
run the game. if you do. a message will appear saying. "Duplicate cd-key' and the
game will disappear from your 'My Ganes' list.
6 Right click Half-Life 2 in the 'My games' list and click Properties. Change
automatic updates to 'Do not automatically update this Game' and then back to
'always keep this game up to date'.
7 now you should see a message box saying 'Unlocking Half-Life 2 game files'.
When this is finished (should take between 5-10@ mins) Steam will update the game.
8 wait until the update is finished. and then open the following encrypted GCF files
using GcFscape and extract all files to 1 directory:
- half-life 2 content.gcf
- source engine.gcf
- source naterials.gcf
- source models.gcf
- source sounds.gcf
9) Once this is done. Copy your Counter-strike: Source 'bin' folder and paste it where
you have extracted the Half-Life 2 files.
10): Create a shortcut of hl2.exe on the desktop using the -steam command.
(eg. ''C:\HL2\hl2.exe'' -steam)
11): Now run the shortcut on the desktop. You should now be able to play Half-Life 2
and without running through steam.
-- Download GcFscape from:
http://countermap.counter.strike.net/Nemes
NOTES:
This method night not work with the empirio release. since that release was a pack
of a already installed game. most likely you'll have to wait till reloaded or another
game group does the retail of this game so you can put this method to use.
You can stop by #halflife2 in efnet and thank them for this method!
Re:Take a lesson (Score:1, Interesting)
There is a workaround for this (taken from Microsoft's knowledge base, for Office XP, and others, but fixes the same problem with other platforms). The link to the fix is here [microsoft.com], easiest method (for me) was Method 2. I changed it to 256MB, rebooted, and it worked like a charm. If this is a different error than the one you got, then maybe I helped out someone else reading this.
Re:Is it just me...? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Take a lesson (Score:3, Interesting)
It is you who is ignorant. Unlike a car or any other physical object a game is "property" only as far as we all agree to pretend it is in a gentlemen's agreement called "intellectual property rights". If you steal a car from a lot, that car is no longer available to someone else because it is a unique physical object. If I pirate or not pirate the game everyone who is foolish enought to submit to Valve still has it. The fact that you brought this utterly stupid "example" tells volumes about the level of brainwashing you are accepting.
Valve is a company that has been supporting a no-money-making game for the past 5 years with CounterStrike. Forgot that you haven't had to pay one penny to play it for the past 5 years??? Maybe they fucking deserve a little compensation, ok nitwit?
No it is you who is a nitwit and a scumbag since it is you who I did support with my original purchase of HalfLife. I never played CS and probably never will. So now how does it look like? I am the one who paid Valve for their original product which enabled you to ride on my coattails even though I never used the supposed "services" of Valve ever since. Now I come with my money agan... and guess what... I am to be screwed by Steam? You are a pathetic parasite..
Bram Cohen / Bit torrent (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Take a lesson (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Take a lesson (Score:1, Interesting)
If you don't like the company, don't play the game. Don't pirate it, just ignore it and go on with your life
That was an option before I bought it and spent my money and time on it. I did my part of the bargain, they didnt. I now deserve compensation. No matter what various appologists of Valve are about to say.
. Congratulations, your morals suck. The people who worked 5 years on this won't get any of your money...and you are so proud of yourself, that you want them to pay you money. Beyond my comprehension...it's people like you who are the problem.
No, what is immoral is your insistence that only the game developers have rights because they are the ones bringing you new "oooh shiney" moments in exchange for you parting with some of your rights.
I will also add that yes, people like you are indeed the source of the problem. You are the ones who encourage Valve and others to take away more of your rights and institute tighter controls on you. Some of us are of the old school of individual liberties and rights and can still remember the days when the manufacturers had the obligation to make their products work and were not allowed to change conditions of the sale after the fact.
Re:Take a lesson (Score:3, Interesting)
What pisses me off the most (Score:4, Interesting)
Anybody found a no DVD crack for it yet?
Speaking of that I think I'll call Valve right now and about this....
Damn, no phone support; they tell you to go to steampowered.com and there's no phone # there.
I did a domain WHOIS but unfortunately their domain registrations are handled through some sort of third party domain proxy so you can't use the WHOIS information to actually contact the company who really owns the domain. How lame.
Re:Take a lesson (Score:2, Interesting)
Which is fine, if at the end of the that period, they release a patch that kills the need for that authentication. Or earlier, preferably.
Just playing devil's advocate, though... I'm just as annoyed with this authentication as anybody else is.
Re:I just had a disturbing thought.. (Score:3, Interesting)