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A Top Ten and A Definitive Dozen 95

Posted by Zonk from the lists-are-fun dept.
End-of-week lists are always fun. From CNet, we have a list of the top ten games of the last ten years, and from 1up.com the definitive dozen titles from the PS1's lifetime. From the 1up article: "Resident Evil Capcom, 1996 Admittedly a straight-up rip-off of the PC adventure series Alone in the Dark (all the way down to the polygonal characters in static environments), Resident Evil was the first great example of Sony's commitment to quality, adult-oriented entertainment. Sure, the controls sucked, and the voice acting was worse. But for all intents and purposes, this was the game that helped the PS1 grab gamers by the throat, chew on their jugulars, and gnaw on their brains."
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  • No Nethack? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dasunt ( 249686 ) on Friday September 09, 2005 @07:21PM (#13523221)

    Shouldn't Nethack get a nod? It may not be a well-known game, and the graphics are a tad primitive, but its supporting most of the roguelike genre, and its a hell of a game.

  • I just glanced through both, and aside from Madden in the GameSpot list both are pretty alright.
    • I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you, nearly every game on that list had a console port, or was a console game.

      I could see an argument saying there were too many fps'es but that it is pc biased is hardly fair.

  • The problem with these lists... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by frederec ( 911880 ) on Friday September 09, 2005 @07:32PM (#13523298)
    The problem with top whatever lists is they seem designed to start flamewars. For example, the first list seems to me to be very biased towards pc games. It's almost as though the console games there were tossed on because even PC gamers know all about them.

    The second list seemed very biased towards early games. Though you could argue that if it is a list of games that "defined" the PS1, then it's to be expected.

    But someone already noted that the lists seem very good to them. So it shows what I know. Possibly means I'm biased, not the lists.

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday September 09, 2005 @09:12PM (#13523786)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion

      • Re:Flame-free list! (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Tyir ( 622669 )
        I agree with you on several counts, but I am guessing you have never played the original Half-Life. Don't get confused by the hype, just because it was really popular doesn't mean that it wasn't a innovative and influential game.

        Saying that Half-Life doesn't have the staying power of FF7 is silly, considering it's massive influence on the FPS genre, especially if you consider its mods (Counter-Strike being the obvious example).

        In fact, I seem to get the urge to replay the entire game every year or so, and

      • I agree with you on Ocarina of Time and GTA 3. I'd also vouch for The Sims, although geek circles have largely turned against the game, it really was truly original.

        The rest of the article's list doesn't measure up to the intro given it. As games, none of the others really changed gaming all that much; they may have made it more popular, but they didn't *change* it. Three of the ten games are first-person shooters....


    • I suppose you didn't RTFA - the 1up article does state in a big graphic "twelve games that defined the playstation"

    • These lists are merely a function of the reviewers. Perhaps the reason the CNET list is "biased towards PC games" is because even today PC games tend to have more depth to them--if you are a fan of arcade/action and/or have too short of an attention span for such games then you might think such a bias is unjustified, but in my opinion the PC games dominate the list becase they are actually BETTER. A PC screen is always capable of crisper graphics than a TV, and PCs simply have more power and capacity to s
      • I'm sorry, but I disagree with almost everything you say. Most of the reason is that in the debate between PC games or console games or old games versus new games, I don't think either is decidedly better than the other, just different. There are a number of genres that primarily just exist on the PC, like strategy, sim, and FPS, and others that are primarily on consoles, like Japanese RPGs, surivial horror, platformers. Naturally there is some crossing over and ports, but it seems that people who worshi
        • If you honestly believe that PC games are better partly because they are capable of better resolution and have better processing power, then that seems to go against your later argument that older games - made when the capabilities were even lower - are better.

          You're right---the technical specs of a platform are not an indicator of how well the games play. The platform DOES influence the game however--as I suggested, action oriented games tend to work better in a console environment with decent controllers

  • Castlevania SOTN (Score:4, Interesting)

    by superpulpsicle ( 533373 ) on Friday September 09, 2005 @07:39PM (#13523327)
    Hands down still the best 2D scroller ever made. The replay value is just insane, I can't believe I played a 2D game for like a year nonstop.

    The PS1 version was great, but the Japanese saturn version supposedly allow you to play as Maria too.

    • Huzzah! I still play through this game at least every other month. It is, hands down, the best Castlevania ever. For me, however, it is tied for side-scroller with Super Metroid. I can play that game through countless times.

      I'm kinda gitty for the new Castlevania on the DS. The GBA's last game (the name eludes me) was also quite amazing, and is sequaled by the DS game.

    • I thought the PC Engine Dracula X was better myself, but what aspect of SOTN makes it your favorite?

  • Some 'list' (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Propagandhi ( 570791 ) on Friday September 09, 2005 @07:39PM (#13523330) Journal
    They couldn't even bother to get an actual screenshot of the original HL. I have no idea where that bastardization came from, but I can guarentee it's not from the original campaign/models...

    Not only that but the oldest game on the list is Quake, and it's 2+ years older than all the others. Lack of persepective much?

    • Re:Some 'list' (Score:3, Informative)

      by yoyhed ( 651244 )
      That screenshot is from Blue Shift, an expansion released for Half-Life.

      To answer to both you and the child poster, Blue Shift came with a high-definition model pack (which updated Half-Life as well), and that scientist in the screenshot (a main character in Blue Shift) was a good demonstration of the HD pack.

      And yes, I would agree that Blue Shift was a bastardization, as you put it. It was only a few hours long, and the story wasn't nearly as interesting or well-done as that of the original Half-Life.

  • No WE/PES? Must be a joke, or an american list. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Saiyine ( 689367 ) on Friday September 09, 2005 @07:44PM (#13523349) Homepage
    Most of the games in the list, but a couple, are fine games... but the list is clearly made by an american, because is incredible that they left out the Best video game. Just the Best: the Winning Eleven/Pro Evolution Soccer series.

    When I was young, I played Wolfenstein so much... I spent hour after hour playing, I played so much one evening I reached a secret passage with a text like "If you've reached here, call Apogee Software" (Or was it Id yet?). Well: I think those soccer games are better than wolfenstein.

    Every PS2 I know, about ten, has been bought just because back in the day there was the rumour that Konami was going to launch the next WE/PES games only for PS2! And exactly the same with the PS3. Real people don't think "dude, the PS3 will have a zillion CPU's working in a cluster" but "dude, the next WE/PES is only for PS3".


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    • Are you ok? Great, you liked the soccer games, no need to get all pissy because they're not in the tops 10 or 12 lists.

      And Winning Eleven 8 is available for the Xbox, so why mention the PS3?

      • Winning Eleven 8 is available for the Xbox

        Yeah, and for PC, in a really strange move from Konami. Maybe they had some problem with Sony and this was a way hitting them, menacing with a lower sell of the PS3.

        Well, and to say the truth, is just that the XBox didn't even crossed my mind. I know nobody that has or even want one.

        The other day, a friend of mine was offered an used XBox for about 100 bucks, and maybe he will but it for its superior capabilities as divx player compared to the PS2 that he ha
        • Umm, no thanks. I'm more of a hockey man myself (though NHL 2K6 is taking forever to even ship from Amazon), but I was mistaken, WE9 is out for Xbox. If you're looking for good Xbox games they're out there, the Otogi series is amazing and Jet Set Radio future is still a blast. Not exactly a list but I really don't feel like going off on another subject.

  • CNet lost me at their 2nd pick. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by OpMindFck ( 204177 ) <edkearns.edkearns@com> on Friday September 09, 2005 @07:55PM (#13523414) Homepage
    OK, so they put Starcraft right by the top. I'm for that. The game still holds appeal for me today whenever I manage to tear myself away from WoW. My only question, did anyone at CNet every play the game?
    The gameplay itself was so addictive that players often played the game through three times just to experience it from the perspective of all three races.

    I seem to recall a storyline formula in both the original and the expansion that required playing all 3 races on one playthrough.

  • Hm , strange list (Score:5, Insightful)

    by FidelCatsro ( 861135 ) <fidelcatsro&gmail,com> on Friday September 09, 2005 @08:39PM (#13523624) Journal

    I would definitely keep Ocarina of time (still number one on my list) , half life and GTA 3 .

    The rest are very subjective , Starcraft was not a personal favourite , but i can see how it got listed .

    The Sims may have done a lot for the Casual gamers , but it was dull as dishwate. Sim-city 3000 was far superior .4/10

    Madden .. well ... I did not enjoy the game .. may have been a cultural thing ( I played rugby) .. but then i did really enjoy some other American football games. 5/10

    Quake .. well it was very influential .. but the single player game was rather under par , though i have great respect for the online component . 7/10

    Halo is one of the most over-rated games of the past 10 years .It was not a bad game , infact it was rather good .. just not as good as the hype made it out to be . 7/10

    Everquest bored me silly . Again i can see that a lot of people enjoyed it , but if credit goes to any MMORPG of the past ten years it should be Ultima online . 5/10 ...

    In the place of the other 7 i would have

    Mario 64 . the game the legend 9/10
    Unreal tournament , amazing fun .I prefer it over the sequels . 9/10
    Deus Ex , Taking System shock to the next level 9/10
    Thief 2 , Removing the Zombie levels was a great idea 9/10
    Pokemon Gold/silver/crystal :Fashionable to hate ,wonderful to play 9/10
    GoldenEye 007 , Countless hours spent living the life of Bond 9/10
    Gran-Turismo 3 ,I like Skylines 9/10(That or soul calibur)

    These lists are very subjective , and as such these are just my opinion .
    I couldn't really do a top 10 properly , these are just a few from my top 50 list of games since Pong .
    it's in non specific order(bar ocarina of time which sits solidly at #1).

    There can be no definitive top 10 list .It is all based on your personal opinions.

    • as the game that got the masses playing multiplayer FPS's. And you're right, where the heck's mario 64. It's up there with FFVII for influnce. And where the heck is Tekken (Sony's answer to the immensely popular Virtua Fighter 2)? Tekken 2 was particularily noteworthy for being _better_ then the arcade (still a big deal at the time).
      • And where the heck is Tekken (Sony's answer to the immensely popular Virtua Fighter 2)? Tekken 2 was particularily noteworthy for being _better_ then the arcade (still a big deal at the time).

        I don't see what big deal over the Tekken series is. Tekken has to be the slowest, most unresponsive fighter out there. Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat were better, came out earlier, and had great console ports.
        • For me, I was able once (by accident), defeat someone as skilled as myself using Akuma's taunt. I meant to hit the other player when he was on the ground, but I had a finger/brain impulse misalignment and ended up doing a taunt. The other players character was in the middle of getting up at the time and unknown to all 14 people playing (loser gets replaced each fight) taunts can do damage. It did just enough to finish off the other player (we were both near empty on health bars), and was funny as heck. Mad
    • You are dead on about Pokemon. Without Pokemon there would be no handheld market to speak of. I would also include Tony Hawk. I don't particularly like the Tony Hawk games, but its influence is undeniable.
    • "The Sims may have done a lot for the Casual gamers , but it was dull as dishwate."

      The Sims relies upon the player to provide the interest. It is more of a write-your-own-soap-opera than a traditional score-points-and-win game.

      I found much to like in The sims, including house design, interior design to creating stories with the characters.

      There are lots of dedicated Sims players, who neither are "casual gamers", or find it "dull as dishwater". Your opinion is noted.

      Sim City is a different game.
      IMHO Civilisa

  • woxl (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Eil ( 82413 ) on Friday September 09, 2005 @10:17PM (#13524053) Homepage Journal

    I would like to add one more to make it a baker's definitive dozen on the PS1:

    Wipeout XL.

    Insanely great racing game that was nothing like other racing games at the time. Or since, for that matter, since nothing so far as been able to quite match it.
    • Or Wipeout 2097, as it was known in Europe. You could connect two Playstations with two TVs and play head-on games, and the racing/combat balance was ever so perfect. Wipeout 3 was OK, Wipeout Fusion for the PS2 suffered from the oh wow syndrome, and I really want to see what comes out of Wipeout Pure for the PSP, but... XL/2097 was the it.
  • The image corresponding to Half-Life is actually from Half-Life: Blue Shift, using the high definition skin pack, originally released in 2001, not 1998, and recently re-released on Steam. The scientist model is a telltale sign. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure Half-Life 1 had only 3 scientist models, while a 4th was created, for Dr. Rosenberg, who appeared in Half-Life: Decay and Blue Shift.
  • First, Jumping Flash. I've never heard of it, and by the looks of it neither has anyone else. If you're going to include obscure but very good games then I have no objection (lord knows Valkyrie Profile largely defined the PS1 for me) but other than this game the list does not. Second: Battle Arena Toshinden. It is flat out the worst fighting game I've ever played. Now, if you want to include a PS1 fighting game that actually sold a million copies (like, oh, say, any of the Tekken games ...er, Tekken 1

  • Top 10 of last 10 years too PC Centric... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by LordZardoz ( 155141 ) on Saturday September 10, 2005 @03:35AM (#13525102)
    The list does have 4 console games on it, 5 if you count Madden, but there are some key rankings I disagree with.

    1) Ocarina of time should be higher on the list, somewhere in the top 4. The game is essentially as close to being perfectly made as any game can be. I do not think anyone who enjoyed the game can honestly pick out a part of the game that was particularly weak.

    2) Everquest should be in the top 3. It basically proved that MMPORG's were a viable business model. And I also think that if you were to total up the number of man hours spent on that game, it would eclipse the rest of the top 10 handily.

    3) Madden does not belong on the list. It is little more then an annualized re-hash of its self each time out. Any improvements to the series are strictly evolutionary, no revolutionary.

    4) I find it highly suspicious that the top 4 games on the list were all PC titles.

    END COMMUNICATION
  • From TFA:
    I don't think there's a man alive who hasn't played Madden.

    Try looking outside "the world" a.k.a. the United States for a change, the rest of the world really doesn't care for your kevlar-clad people carging against each other for 5 seconds and pausing.

    We prefer ice hockey, football (soccer to you) and rugby - the real men's version of your "football".

  • Kingdom Hearts
    Resident Evil
    Tomb Raider
    GTA: San Andreas
    Final Fantasy XI
    Dark Cloud
    LotR: The Third Age
    Ico
    Metal Gear Solid
    SOCOM

    Sure they're all PS2 titles. But it's my list so that's the rule. :) Some had multiple versions released, generally in those cases I refer to the 1st one. Unless it sucked, then I refer to the best one. My list will probably be different tomorrow, or even later today if I talk to a friend and he reminds me of one I forgot.

    Lists are fun.
  • I was looking through their screen shots of SOTN, and found this... http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=4&mt= 0&cId=2016823&mId=1053111/ [1up.com] Either I don't remember that, or someone screwed up.

  • Hmm (Score:3, Funny)

    by Khuffie ( 818093 ) on Saturday September 10, 2005 @12:07PM (#13526319) Homepage
    From Cnet: Not so much a game as a lifestyle, I don't think there's a man alive who hasn't played Madden.

    I haven't. Does that mean I'm dead?

  • It's hard to believe that its been almost 10 years since Quake was first released...

    I feel old now. Oh wait, it's been about 20 since Super Mario Bros. was released.
  • "The gameplay itself was so addictive that players often played the game through three times just to experience it from the perspective of all three races."

    Ok, i played through the game way more than three times, but isnt the campaign itself designed so that you play through it with each race? You don't need to play through the campaign three times....

    "I don't think there's a man alive who hasn't played Madden."

    Me. I hate sports games. I hate sports in general. I've never had an interest in them. The re
  • Every other reply to this "article" is just pure gold.
    Here's how to build your own to match:-

    1. Make mention of how pointless top ten lists are, since its all down to "personal opinion".
    2. Make a list of your favourite games and compare that with the top list, criticising the journalist's choices.
    3. Mention personal opinion again, just so everybody knows that you're fair.
    4. Then say "But I still don't see how Crash Team Racing wasn't number one."

    Repeat until satisfied.
    • You know, I can't believe how pointless top ten lists are, since it all comes doesn to "personal opinion."

      Here is a short list of my favorite games:

      Daikatana
      Battlecruiser 3000 AD
      Duke Nukem Forever

      I don't know what the writers of this article were thinking. Star Craft made the list, yet Derek Smart's quintessential classic Batttlecruiser 3000 AD didn't even make a mention.

      I know this is all personal opinion, but there's no way you can ignore John Romero's Daikatana and still call yourself an 'authority' on
  • (Well, not counting Madden, obviously) Does that mean we can infer that there haven't been any truly spectacular games since 2001? Or that the quality of recent games is less than the quality of those older titles?
  • It's really hard for me to take lists like this seriously when they say things placing them squarely outside the domain of the things they speak of. They (CNet) said in the StarCraft description, for instance, that the single player campaign and overall gameplay were so compelling that people would often play through the campaign three times just to experience it from the perspective of the three different races, and that's flat out wrong. The campaign taken as a whole was composed of three chapters, told
    • The first game I remember using mouse + WASD by default was Terminator: Future shock from Bethesda, which really should be on any innovation list... its about the same age as Quake, but has:

      Indoor and massive outdoor environments
      Ground and air vehicles that can be entered and exited in realtime during levels
      offhand grenades
      objective based missions (as opposed to 'find the exit')

      The sequel, Skynet, also added excellent multiplayer (LAN only, unfortunately) including usable jeeps and hunter killers. Unfort

  • GTA3 (Score:2)

    by BenjyD ( 316700 )
    I never found GTA3 that much fun. Once the novelty of being a criminal wears off, it's just a bad driving simulator with some repetitive missions thrown in. I had high hopes for it (I only just bought a PS2+GTA3:vice city) but it's now sitting unplayed on my shelf after maybe five hours total gaming.
  • The article clames Battle Arena Toshinden is the reason people bought their ps1, but it's more likely that the announced release of mk3 a few weeks after launch was the reason people bought a ps1 considering how hot that game was in the arcades at that time. Battle Arena Toshinden was the game you bought because you were waiting for mk3 and wanted a ps1 at launch.

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