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Winter Carnival of Gamers 50

Posted by Zonk
from the snow-covered-clowns dept.
The monthly roving blog-feature The Carnival of Gamers has pulled into station at the 'Kill Ten Rats' blog. This month offers up features about such diverse topics as MMOG holiday events, the first year of the DS, and the ambiguous morality of Shadow of the Colossus. From the latter article: "I absolutely loved Shadow, but to want more colossi? I actually made it all the way to the last colossus. The killing has to stop somewhere, people. If the price of love is my soul, I would gladly pay it. But was it love I was fighting for, or my own selfish desires I was commiting murder for? It took far too long, but I came to realize it was the latter. And that's not something I was willing to do any longer. Once I laid eyes on the final colossus, I just sat the controller down. And I turned the game off. I still haven't beaten that colossus and I don't plan to." Slashdot Games is playing host to the carnival next month. Look for the call for submissions in a week or two.
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  • Once I laid eyes on the final colossus, I just sat the controller down. And I turned the game off. I still haven't beaten that colossus and I don't plan to.

    Wuss.
    • Definately. Yes the last Colossus is frickin' huge, but the ending to teh game is so bitter sweet you need to finish it just to experience it.
      • Yeah, I have to wonder what his reaction at that unusual ending would have been. "I've killed all these creatures so *this* can happen?" Kind of a shame he didn't finish...
      • Wierd he balked on the last one. That was the only colossus that was really "evil looking" as opposed to many of the others. Perhaps one of my favorite ones and probably ones i felt were the most docile was the flying desert one you had to use Agro to catch up to becuase he flew around so fast. That guy never once attacked you, you just rode him down and slaughtered him. I guess he had no problem with that one and the giant fireball spewing monster at the end gave him a sudden dose of morality. :)

        But in the
  • heh (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    It seems that the plural [bartleby.com] of colossus is, indeed, colossi.

    I go to bed less stupid each day.
  • What about all those poor car owners whose ride is stolen in Grand Theft Auto?
    Don't the zombies in DOOM have a right to shamble?
    Should we be force feeding Pacman?

    Seriously, what's next? Will we hear an argument from a Veegan that they can't play Mario because eating flowers is wrong?
    • by The NPS (899303) on Thursday January 05, 2006 @04:43PM (#14403512)
      I think the significance here is that the zombies in doom are two-dimensional (literally and figuratively), and therefore it is easy to write them off. Likewise, the pedestrians of GTA are again, comical, two-dimensional representatives of real people, and are just as easy to write off.

      But the world of Shadow of the the Colossus is vivid enough that it feels less like a video game, and more like a something real. It's easy to watch people die in Evil Dead, but terrible to watch it happen in Saving Private Ryan (which oddly, has about the same amount of gore).

      • It's easy to watch people die in Evil Dead, but terrible to watch it happen in Saving Private Ryan (which oddly, has about the same amount of gore).

        Kinda how we don't care about Arnold shooting up rent-a-cops who just happen to work at EvilCorp.
        He's just some poor guy getting minimum wage, waiting until his shift is over so he can go home to his run-down apartment and spend time with his wife and kid. And we cheer when he gets a shotgun blast to the chest just cause he pointed his flashlight and said "s
        • Hell, even the stormtroopers were probably guys who just graduated highschool, and needed money to go to college and see the galaxy.

          The problem here is that as any fan of Star Wars would know, all of the stormtroopers are subserviant clones of Jango Fett and therefore property of the Empire.

          I don't know if it was originally planned like this, but it's kind of ironic how this is referenced in Episode IV. When Luke and Han arrive at the prison cell, Leia says "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?
          • I don't know if it was originally planned like this, but it's kind of ironic how this is referenced in Episode IV. When Luke and Han arrive at the prison cell, Leia says "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?". Since all stormtroopers are clones of the same person, they would all be the same height.

            Like many other things, I'm sure it wasn't. If you look at the OT there were troopers of different heights, different voices (handwaved away by GL as multiple clone sources). You also have the scene w
            • by eudas (192703)
              iirc not all of them were clones; the clones were just the initial army. after that, they went into conscription and/or stepped up regular enlistment, so they had more non-clones later.

              eudas
          • The problem here is that as any fan of Star Wars would know, all of the stormtroopers are subserviant clones of Jango Fett and therefore property of the Empire.

            Impossible. A Star Wars fan, by definition, could not have sat through Episode 1, or seen any of II or III at all.

            Since all stormtroopers are clones of the same person, they would all be the same height.

            Plenty of official Lucas-branded media prior to the release of Episode 2 explicitly said that Stormtroopers were recruited from the normal populatio
        • Don't even get me started on the contractors working on the second death star, not to mention the adminstration staff on the first death star. Probably just some guys thinking they had a cushy government job watching the clock and filing paperwork for prisoner transfers to cellblock 1138. Hell, even the stormtroopers were probably guys who just graduated highschool, and needed money to go to college and see the galaxy.

          Have you not seen Clerks?
        • You sound like you enjoyed Austin Powers.
        • Did you even watch Terminator 2? The kid ordered him not to kill anyone and he didn't.
    • Dude, plants are a major food source for Vegans. You might be thinking of carnivores.
  • Of all the games of which to worry about the morality I'm not sure Shadow of the Colossus would be top of my list.

    Grand Theft Auto series anyone ?
    • There's no question in GTA. The morality of everyone involved is unambiguous. You assume the role of a violent gangster. Killing off an entire race of peaceful behemoths one by one so you can present trophies to an idol in an effort to revive your girlfriend is slightly more challenging ethically.
      • So what you're saying here is that it's fine to murder provided the people you're murdering aren't very nice ?!
        • That's not what he's saying at all. The point is that characters in GTA are very clear in their moral standpoints. There is no mistaking their morality. Killing for greed (revenge, just for kicks, etc.), stealing, driving recklessly - all morally reprehensible acts that the game glorifies but still makes no grey areas on the issue whether it's good or bad.

          SotC, on the other hand, posits the question of morality of taking a life to save another. Is it admirable that you risk your own life and limb for lo
          • I meant to add that the question SotC poses is much harder to answer in terms of what is right morally ("more challenging ethically", to quote the first comment). With GTA, it isn't hard to answer at all - it's much more clear-cut.
            • I'm not sure it's that I've misunderstood so much as we seem to have a fundamental disagreement.

              I believe that murder is morally wrong. This applies to SotC. This applies to GTA.

              Both are fictional, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. :-)
              • I agree that murder is morally wrong, but I guess that perhaps the question is not whether it's morally right or wrong to kill but rather is the protagonist in SotC more justified in his choice to kill than a GTA character because his end goal is more admirable? I suppose it's another question of ends justifying the means...
                • The important thing to note here, actually, is that the main character in Shadow of the Colossus is considered to be a fairly moral figure. The main characters of all of the GTA games are not. It's the irony of a good person doing bad things that makes the ethics of the situation come to light.

                  Rob
    • This is an interesting topic for me. I'm not so much of a gamer as I am a gamer cultural analyst. I hear all the time from teachers that gaming is destroying our youth, blah blah blah. Same arguments probably could be heard about TV long ago. Anyway don't fight the inevitable but roll with it and use the medium to work for you. good economist article on morality and gaming: http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id =4246109 [economist.com] Eric Jones http://www.gamedaily.com/ [gamedaily.com]
    • For what it's worth, I sometimes top twenty readers when I post, which itself is infrequent. I don't write to be clever so much as to sort out what I think about topics. And I just thought it'd be fun to toss it into the Carnival and see if anyone else felt like me. But there's where my point was missed. Yes I completely understand that the game was supposed to make you question your morals. But I was actually posting about the concept of people 'finishing' games, and using the delimma excellently pres
  • So when Slashdot hosts a blog carnival, can we all officially stop pretending that Slashdot isn't a blog? As a purely professional blogger (philosophy--see the link above), and one who reads mostly academic blogs (CrookedTimber, LanguageLog), I'm tired of Slashdotters ranting about blogs, which despite their quality-control-issues (not so different from /., eh?) are NOT simply endless whining.
    • can we all officially stop pretending that Slashdot isn't a blog
      You must be new here.
      Slashdot began as CmdrTaco's Blog.

      I'm tired of Slashdotters ranting about blogs
      You are on a blog, bitching about people who bitch about blogs.

      Pot, meet Kettle. I hear you two have something in common.
      • Aside from this site, I think I have visited all of 5 blogs and paid them any attention. Upon brief inspection, all 5 involved bitching about another blog at some point or another.

        It's not being hypocritical - it seems to be a requirement of being a blog.

  • A gamer with - dare I say it - morals and remorse? (Over an NPC even!) This is going to ruin Jack's entire day.
    ;)
  • by mwheeler01 (625017) <matthew.l.wheeler@gma i l . com> on Thursday January 05, 2006 @05:39PM (#14404050)
    If you had even skimmed the article you would have read the last paragraph

    Y'know what? Nevermind. I'm already a murderer fifteen times over. My soul is as damned as can be. At this point, if the sacrificing of one life can bring my love back hers, then it's something I've got to do. I'm going right now to kill that fucker.

    So the article was about a decision and a debate, external and internal, quite well written I think.
  • That seemed to surprise a few people, who insisted I had to finish it, to see the ending. Now, instantly I could draw the parallel to books or a movie. If you stop reading a book, that doesn't change what happens in the story.

    When you stop reading a book, it does indeed change the story--for the reader. I refer to The Lady or the Tiger. The point of the story was that it forced you into finishing the story, even if you were happy at leaving it unresolved.

    I'm happy to see that the blog author "got it." It
  • by Guspaz (556486)
    Bah, just celebrate Wintereenmas (http://www.wintereenmas.com/ [wintereenmas.com]) and call it a day.
  • Had a quest where I had to kill some innocents who were standing in between me and my objective. It was also against my alignment (at the time - A neutral priest tends to sway across the line). In the end I got the Quest Points...
  • But was it love I was fighting for, or my own selfish desires I was commiting murder for? It took far too long, but I came to realize it was the latter. And that's not something I was willing to do any longer. Once I laid eyes on the final colossus, I just sat the controller down. And I turned the game off. I still haven't beaten that colossus and I don't plan to.

    I hope you didn't pay for that game with money out of your own purse.
  • Lastday. Virgin 21s. Year of the city - 2005. Carousel begins.
  • Collosi. The REAL poloticians.
  • If at some point we get an AI that the researcher has to have pangs about turning off/shutting down, in terms of having a unique intelligence , then there's gonna be a good chance that a few years later, we have similar moral issues in games....

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