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Wii, PS3 Sell Big In First Week 306

Wowzer writes "Nintendo today announced the Wii sold through more than 600,000 units in the Americas in just its first eight days of availability. That's a rate of nearly one per second continuously since the November 19 launch!" From the article: "The company noted that, when taking into account first-party software and accessory sales, Wii sales have thus far amounted to an impressive $190 million. Nintendo also added that sales of the Wii's highly anticipated launch title, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, has already has achieved sales of more than 454,000 units in the Americas, a figure which it notes represents in excess of of 75 percent of all hardware purchasers." I couldn't find any sales figures for the PS3, just word that the company has sold all the units it shipped. Gamasutra is also reporting sales figures via Ebay for the two consoles. 15,000 PS3s were sold, while the Wii cracked 27,000 via the popular online auction site.
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Wii, PS3 Sell Big In First Week

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  • by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <[moc.liamg] [ta] [namtabmiaka]> on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @11:38AM (#17017026) Homepage Journal
    Before anyone mentions nexgenwars.com [nexgenwars.com], I think you should all read this forum thread [nexgenwars.com] about how the numbers are calculated. To anyone who has even an inkling of statistics and probablity, his methods should stand out as highly flawed. Until we have a good sales history and ample supply with which to predict the sales of these consoles, it would be best to stick to the official figures released by the respective companies and retail tracking organizations. (The latter of which is not yet available.)

    Gamasutra is also reporting sales figures via Ebay for the two consoles. 15,000 PS3s were sold, while the Wii cracked 27,000 via the popular online auction site.

    It's worth noting that 15,000 PS3 units could be as much as 10% [gizmodo.com] of the North American supply. Given that we don't know the actual figures shipped, it's just as possible that 15,000 is 5% of the supply. Either way, it's a significant percentage of the PS3 consoles.
  • Analysts (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HappySqurriel ( 1010623 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @11:45AM (#17017138)
    I know you're not to believe analysts, but earlier this week they were reporting that the Wii had 4 times as many units and that the PS3 launched with between 125,000 and 175,000 units ...

    Until NPD releases its November numbers or Sony makes an announcement I think those are about as accurate as we're going to get.
  • by xtracto ( 837672 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @11:52AM (#17017280) Journal
    At one point there were 26000 Wiis and approximately 50 wiis were selling each minute

    Yeah but how many of those Wiis were fake and scams?
  • by JayBlalock ( 635935 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @12:02PM (#17017480)
    The Dreamcast was in much the same position as the 360 was last year - it was vastly superior hardware very early to market. The competition at that time, remember, was the PS1 and the N64. (oh, and *snicker* The Saturn) The N64 had already come to be regarded as a cruel joke, and PS1 was showing its age badly, so *everyone* jumped to get a Dreamcast. And for a short time, it was fantastically successful.

    Then Sony started lying out their asses about what the PS2 would be like and managed to spread the FUD so thick that people nearly quit buying Dreamcasts completely. (despite the fact that the PS2 was, in reality, only incrementally superior to the DC) Sega's marketing department failed to keep up, and the rest was history.

    Point of the story being, the DC situation is unlikely to be repeated in this case. It sort of came out in a weird "in between" time, generationally, rather than this situation where the three consoles have all come out relatively near to each other. (remember, people think of the SNES and the Genesis as being of the same generation, even though they were separated by two years)

    So what it's all going to come down to is customer adoption and games. Personally, I think Sony is at an INCREDIBLE disadvantage, one I'd be highly surprised to see them overcome. It's going to come down, I believe, to a slugging match between Microsoft and Nintendo in a war of prettiness and grittiness vs fun and fluffy. And I predict they'll end up at something of an equilibrium, maybe 40% market share each, with the PS3 taking the high-end business but little else.

  • by Turn-X Alphonse ( 789240 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @12:08PM (#17017562) Journal
    Wow you're a hardcore fanboy.

    I've seen a lot more about the PS3 than I have the wii. The wii just gets positive articles because it's very hard to bash it (beyond LOL OLD GRAPHICS) and the PS3 is just a complete mess which is hard to complement.

    It's like going "This is a bike, it works perfectly" and then "This is a 13 wheeled bike, it sort of works and it's really cool!" You can't find a fault with the bike but the 13 wheeled bike you can easily.
  • by alexhmit01 ( 104757 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @12:16PM (#17017718)
    Sony has a built up brand, people want it... (I've normally only owned Nintendo systems, but I can appreciate that the PS1 and PS2 had HUGE markets)... but they can't get product out the door. To win the marathon, Sony needs to make as many sales as possible to people willing to pay high prices, and figure out how to get manufacturing costs down as they lower price to sell more units... first sell to everyone willing to pay $500, then $400, then $300, then $200, etc.

    However, Sony will be able to keep selling units for top dollar, which will help them, because demand is so high... but they can't supply the market.

    Nintendo appears to have figured out how to get units out the door. It doesn't matter that 2x to 3x the people want a Sony system as a Nintendo system if Sony can't get them off the line and into stores. Nintendo will sell there demand, and some will substitute a Wii for a PS3. Sony blew this launch BADLY. They may win this round, they may make money, they may pull off a lot (they have a LOT of Brand Value), but they screwed up manufacturing.

    If Nintendo keeps manufacturing units and selling them, they will sell games and make money. Some third parties may sign up (if you want to launch a game for next Christmas, if Sony doesn't fix its manufacturing problems by mid-year, Nintendo may be a real option for them). The interesting thing is that Nintendo's system is SO different, it isn't straight ports that will work. Last generation, game companies could switch their target system around without much re-jiggering, but Nintendo's system requires a completely different approach because it is so unique.

    However, Sony blew the manufacturing... marketing did its job, but they didn't get product out there. I expect Microsoft to be the BIG beneficiary of this, as Sony and Microsoft are much more substitutable (similar hardware, similar controllers, similar target markets), but Nintendo will find itself fighting in the normal market, not just a niche...

    Interesting thing as well, Nintendo didn't overspec their system, they may have underspec'd it. That means that they may be able to get costs WAY down. If Sony's botched launch delays games (because nobody wants to sell games to a dead market), Nintendo may be able to keep moving systems and get the costs down fast. If that happens, expect Nintendo to start selling to hardcore gamers because if they can get a $200 package with 2 games out within 24 months, hard core gamers may pick one up to augment their Sony/MS gaming with Nintendo's unique offering.

    Nintendo executed, Sony didn't. Kudos to Nintendo. Sony, get your divisions back in sync.

    Alex
  • by SnarfQuest ( 469614 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @12:26PM (#17017918)
    Gamasutra is also reporting sales figures via Ebay for the two consoles. 15,000 PS3s were sold,

    How many were put up on ebay and NOT sold? I'm guessing that there are not many more people willing to pay $1000 extra just to get a unit before the next shipment arrives. Think of all those thousands of poor people, who are now stuck with a $800 doorstop. Remember, they only bought it to resell it, not to use it.
  • by Colin E. McDonald ( 837162 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @12:35PM (#17018128) Homepage
    I was just looking last night for some stats on sales. I have never been a console fan and I have been a PC Gamer since the IBM PC Jr. but the GameCube changed all that. It was the gameplay and the feel of the controls. I couldn't stand the X-Box or the PS2 hand controls after coming from a PC and was often owned by my kids in FPS which I still think is an exercise in futility on consoles. The GameCube changed that and I really began to enjoy titles such as the 007 and the family oriented games really brought my kids and I together where before we were isolated in our own little PC/console gaming experiences (not that I get much time for it anymore). When I saw the Wii advertised a few months back I instantly saw something that I had been looking for in a gaming experience and that was physical immersion. Of course it was all marketing hype and I would have to see it to believe it. I was also sick of hearing people talk about what a badass system the X-Box and X-Box 360 were knowing that it was nothing more than a crappy PC. I would say, "why not build your own gaming PC and get a really good experience with FPS games". "Well Halo 2 is awesome on the X-Box 360!." I decided to check it out and played Halo 2 for a couple of hours at my in-laws house and to me Halo on the PC blew it away. Yes, the slick cases and "skins" and all of that marketing crap make it seem cool to my kids but it just irked me that it was in no way innovative but then you had to shell out immense amounts of cash for all the items to make it worth playing or owning such as a large hard drive, wireless nic, wireless controllers, headsets, x-box-live. And then PS3 was coming out with an even more expensive system with a HD DVD that could end up going the same way that the PSP's disc format (with movies) went and that is to the grave. Launching with zero titles that I would want on top of that. It seemed like they (MS and Sony) were trying to do what all the home-gamekit builders and outfits like alienware and others had already done a million times better but due to marketing would make you accept that you had to have it and that it was the greatest thing ever. It just pissed me off. I continued to follow the Wii and read about its concepts and Nintendo's approach to development and it just seemed very cool. So for the first time in my life I actually went and stood in line for a game-system on Black Friday with my kids. We ended up getting turned away at a mall Gamestop but I tried a standalone EB-games where in the dark hours of the am I found a group of 5 people waiting for the store to open. My kids and I were 6th in line. When we got in i asked them how many Wiis they had in stock, already knowing that I wouldn't be able to get one and already having decided that I wouldn't waste any more of my time as Thanksgiving livestock. The guy said he had 5 systems and I thought everyone in line was getting one. One guy ahead of me bought a PS3 and a Wii. I stayed in line anyway even though it looked bad and my kids were with me so it would be even more dissappointing for them as the excitement had been mounting for a couple of days. Well, this lady turns around to me and says, "You are going to get one". I kept wondering what she was talking about and lo and behold she was buying her grandkid a PSP. We stepped up and asked for the last Wii and he pulled the bag up with all of the the launch stuff in it and we were just totally jazzed. My oldest boy actually made the sound of angels heralding (cheesy movie/cartoon rendition) when they put the bag on the counter. The kids were off for Turkey Day and we spent the rest of the day having one hell of a time with the new system. I haven't had this much fun playing a game and feeling immersed since I first played the text version of Hitchhikers Guide on my PCJr. The new controls are just amazing and the design of the system both on the physical level and within the Wii menu was just completely sweet. I can really see this system becoming a cornerstone for family entertainment. My wife, who has never had any intere
  • Nope, they are definitely getting sold. Of course after the first few days sellers had to start selling them for $1000 bucks or so. But nobody (unless just just screw up on their auction) is losing money... Unless you count only making $200 for 2 days standing in line.
  • by SilentChris ( 452960 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @12:43PM (#17018286) Homepage
    Nintendo sent out some systems that were previously PR/demonstration units (Google). You can tell those systems from others because the box talked about a startup disc (http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message ?board.id=wii_tech&message.id=213).

    Regardless, why does it matter? Read my other response. The Wii I received had scratches and was already registered to someone in Washington, DC. My guess is that that person had similar problems to me, sent it back to Nintendo, they wiped the firmware and sent it to me.
  • by seebs ( 15766 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @01:09PM (#17018840) Homepage
    Haven't seen any surviving in stores; I stood in line in the cold (sub-freezing) for a couple of hours to get mine and have no regrets at all.

    However, the production rates are supposed to be HUGE, so I bet there will be some soon.

    The killer, for me, is that I can't get the 4th nunchuck for my system. No one has ANY Wii accessories in stock; they sell out so fast it's not even funny.
  • by krakelohm ( 830589 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @01:40PM (#17019480)
    Actually from what I have seen online, the sensor bar is no more then a row of LED's that the wiimote "see's". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote [wikipedia.org]
  • by FatherOfONe ( 515801 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @02:05PM (#17020026)
    Here is what I do know.

    Sony said that they would ship 400k units on launch day in North America. They said that the first 500k would have a movie included. My buddy just went to Target yesterday and was lucky enough to get one of the 20GB systems that "just came in" and it also had the movie. So, by my simple math Sony did not ship 400k to N.A. on 11/17.

    Now for Nintento... They said they would have 2 million for NA launch. However, now it appears that they actually meant 600k worldwide.

    So it looks like both Sony and Nintendo lied. Now Nintendo is saying 2 million by the end of the year, and Sony is saying 1 million. I guess time will tell...

    Having said all that I have a PS3 60GB, and so far I like it. It definitely has its issues, like downscaling 720P games to 480P on my 1080i only TV, and the registration process flat out needs to be redone. The password restrictions are ridiculous and some of the error screens need to be better worded. Having said all that, the downloadable games (motorstorm, blast factor etc) are very fun and Marvel Ultimate Alliance is a great game for an old comic book fan like myself. The sixaxis controllers rock and I love that they are wireless. The wireless worked right out of the box and the quality of the system appears to be excellent. I will say that I had around 25 people over for Thanksgiving and most thought that Marvel was "ok" not much better than other games, but Motorstorm was a HUGE hit, it actually got some people that would never watch a game to play it.

    Also, I have dorked around with putting pictures on it and showing them to the family during thanksgiving. I found this quite easy to do and love the fact that the pictures come out in HD and the sideshow features are great. Family members had no clue the PS3 could do that and started to understand that it is more than "just a game machine".

    I tested a couple of 1080P movies and they look great on my 1080i TV, and coming from the PS2 DVD playback, I can say that the PS3 is much better at playing/managing DVD's and bluRay(PS3 only). Again, I don't have a 1080P set, but I can say that the 1080P content looks better than any of the HD cable stations I have. It isn't a ton better than the Discovery station, but I can tell a difference. I have a 52" RCA Scenium TV...

    At the end of the day the people that saw the PS3, played with it thought it was too expensive initially, but then started to change their toon a bit after "messing" with it. (Seeing pictures, videos, and games) My observation of them is that "if" the PS3 was down to say $400 by next Christmas a few of them would buy it. "If" it was down to $300 then most of the families there would buy one. I want to point out that this is almost exactly what happened with the PS2. My family got it year one, then some year two and then the rest year 3.

    I will say that the ONLY person that flat out wouldn't give the PS3 a fair shake is the 19 year old Windows Gamer. He is a gamer and I thought he would love the PS3, but it appears that if it doesn't run on a PC, then he doesn't like it. He kept wanting to argue that the graphics at 1920X1080 isn't as good as 24XXX by 2XXXX. I wonder what it will take to convince the Windows gamers to give the PS3 a fair shake.

    Lastly I want to say that most enjoyed the "tilt" control of the PS3, few wanted to use if for long and switched back to using a "normal" control. It appeared that people liked to see a motorcycle do weird stuff and would laugh with the tilt controls, but after 20 or so minutes would want to go back because their hands got tired of holding the controller in the "correct" way.

    Anyway, back on topic....

    I think it is pretty much a fact that this year is really BETA for the PS3 and Wii. Next year will be interesting. I can say that I give the PS3 a 7.5 on a scale of 10 so far. If they "fix" the downscaling issue soon that will go to a 8.5. If they continue to put up more fun demos then is could go to a 9.

  • by Criminally Insane Ro ( 982870 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @03:34PM (#17022016)
    If these videos: http://www.vgblogger.com/?p=350/ [vgblogger.com]are any clue, I would say that word of mouth advertising will destroy the PS3.
  • Re:Fuzzy math (Score:4, Interesting)

    by oc255 ( 218044 ) <milkfilk AT yahoo DOT com> on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @03:51PM (#17022410) Homepage
    Hrm, considering that the hardware itself is no cash cow I wouldn't strategize at all on the hardware side. I'd want to get as much hardware crap out there as I can and establish the platform. Sony is sorta-kinda doing that. PS2s exceeded 360 sales even through the 360 launch (which is personally unbelievable). Sony sold 100M PS2s and the PS3 is majorly backwards compatible, now one could argue that the PS2 is $129 and the PS3 is much more at ~$600. But the fact remains that most people already are into the IP that Sony has. Of course one piece of that is GTA which isn't exclusive anymore (this is huge). That combined with the whole center-of-the-living room mess that the 360/PS3 is pimping it's going to be hard to compare the ps2 & ps3. It'll be interesting to see this thing play out.

    There are 1500 ps2 titles listed on wikipedia and I'd estimate an equal amount of ps1 titles. So if they continue, you'd have 1500 * 3 platforms = 4500 titles (just listing quantity not quality). Not that it's apples to apples but the Xbox had about 700, the 360 has about 300 so far. Sony is an electronics and entertainment company first, whereas MS was (and is) trying to break into the market. That's just the reality of the situation.

    I have a 360. But when FF13, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid and especially White Knight (assuming the videos aren't pre-vis) are released you better believe the demand will be there. Although the price is a bit steep and it's so much more complicated than the ps2 was. It's early, hard to say. PS2 launch was the same imho, all that is different is the pricey High-Def age. Tivo Series 3(HD) is $700, Series2(non HD) was $399 at launch. HD just costs a lot, ps3 is right in there. I'd be curious to know if anyone has any old HiFi (audio) war stories?
  • Sony's shipped what, 200,000? So they'd have to nearly quadruple their production IN THE NEXT 4 WEEKS? God, you're funny!

    Um, yeah. You might want to check that attitude at the door. Sony is already missing their projections of 2 million consoles (originally down from 4 million) by half. They're down to a broadcast projection of 1 million consoles for 2006. The analysts that you're quoting for that 200,000 number are the same ones who are saying that Sony will miss their latest target by 250,000 units. Also, if their 125,000 - 175,000 units for North America guesstimate is correct (which has yet to be proven either way), Sony already has 205,000 - 255,000 units in customer hands. (The ~80,000 in Japan were verified using sales figures.)

    Sony has had a crappy launch from day one, and will most likely continue to have a crappy launch. (Depsite their best efforts to airlift in new consoles.) Trying to convince others that Sony is an even more dire situation than even the worst case estimates only serves to brand you as a Nintendo or Microsoft fanboy. Which isn't a very good position to argue from.

    If you're boycotting Sony, please do me a favor and don't advertise it. Otherwise, with friends like you, who needs enemies? :-/
  • no, they don't (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Ender Ryan ( 79406 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2006 @06:01PM (#17024914) Journal
    Sony loses $300+ per unit.

    No. An analyst says that Sony loses $300 per unit. That is the same $900 / unit that analysts were talking about a year ago and was generally thought to be complete bunk. Just before the rootkit fiasco when everyone decided hating Sony would be the new cool thing to do on the Intertubes. Now when an analcyst spouts some bullshit numbers that ignore the fact that Sony owns the production lines for many of the PS3 components, people take it as god-given fact.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 29, 2006 @12:19AM (#17029112)
    Yeah. My store had only 12 360s in stock on Black Friday, and we had a special on them. We were expecting to sell out but we still have 8. I guess everyone who wants one already has one.

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