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No More GameCube, Wii 2.0 On the Far Horizon 153

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from the from-the-depths-of-my-heart-i-stab-at-thee-nintendo dept.
The little purple machine that could is no longer being manufactured. Hardware revisions are in store for the Nintendo Wii eventually. These announcements aren't terribly shocking, but they're still interesting admissions from Perin Kaplan, Vice President of Marketing & Corporate Affairs for Nintendo of America. GameDaily has the interview, which also discusses Wii sales, the lull in games, new IPs, and some details on plans online. Don't worry, you won't have to buy a new Wii anytime soon. Kaplan is immediately talking about the planned Japanese version with DVD Playback capability, but does say 'Sure, absolutely' to the question of whether we'll eventually see hardware changes on the order of the DS/DS Lite.
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No More GameCube, Wii 2.0 On the Far Horizon

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  • by Gerocrack (979018) on Thursday February 22, 2007 @03:43PM (#18113398)
    How about "Vagoo"?
  • by creimer (824291) on Thursday February 22, 2007 @03:47PM (#18113478) Homepage
    I would be happy if the Wii was available in the stores.
    • I hear ya! I finally got mine this afternoon... after waiting for two hours at an EB Games in Calgary.

      For those in the Calgary who are Wii hunting, redflagdeals.com has a very usefull thread tracking Wii deliveries. clicky [redflagdeals.com]
  • by ObiWanStevobi (1030352) on Thursday February 22, 2007 @03:49PM (#18113502) Journal
    I'm anxiously waiting for my Wii Zapper [wikipedia.org]. I think that will bring a whole new level of fun to muliplayer shooters. Before worrying about Wii 2.0, they need to get the zapper out and relase a new bond title for the Wii.
  • Wii-tf (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JoshJ (1009085) on Thursday February 22, 2007 @03:49PM (#18113508) Journal
    New hardware? Gah. The abominable hardware upgrade tactics they used on the game boy (2-3 versions of each!) really shouldn't be taken to the console market.
    • Re:Wii-tf (Score:5, Insightful)

      by drinkypoo (153816) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Thursday February 22, 2007 @03:53PM (#18113574) Homepage Journal

      New hardware? Gah. The abominable hardware upgrade tactics they used on the game boy (2-3 versions of each!) really shouldn't be taken to the console market.

      What tactics? They brought out hardware, saw what people liked and what they didn't like, and brought out new software. This continued over time. GB was a winner, but they eventually made it smaller, and we got pocket. 100% compatibility. GB Color had a flat design so GBA got one. Both units have incredible back-compatibility. People bitched about the screen being exposed, so they made a flip unit. Then they made the DS, it was still flip. Then later they did a shrink of the DS and we got a DS Lite. And still, backwards compatible.

      In other words, what we got was a sort of hardware version of release early, release often. And at no time did anyone from Nintendo come to your head and hold a gun to your head and force you to buy it, nor did they ever invalidate your software library. The game I play most often on my GBA SP is Tetris... the cart that I used to stick into my original paperback-book-sized Game Boy.

      Who cares if they bring out new consoles with new functionality? No one made you buy a Wii. I still don't have one - of course, many people have trouble just finding them, but I haven't actually even tried because I like to wait and see what games are coming out before I buy anything and there's not a lot available right now.

      • Minor correction: certain hardware revisions lack backwards compatibility. Namely, the DS can't play GB or GB Color games - only DS and GBA.
        • by drinkypoo (153816)
          Yeah, my bad. Is there a flash cart + emulator solution for that? I don't even know where to look for that kind of stuff anymore since the evil bastards at Sony summoned Satan all over Lik-Sang.
          • Is there a flash cart + emulator solution for [GBC games on GBA platform]?

            Yes, you can emulate single-player Game Boy games on a Game Boy Advance or on a Nintendo DS in GBA mode using the Goomba Color [pocketheaven.com] emulator.

            I don't even know where to look for that kind of stuff anymore since the evil bastards at Sony summoned Satan all over Lik-Sang.

            Froogle perhaps [google.com]? What about gbadev.org's list of retailers [gbadev.org]?

        • The DS isn't a Hardware Revision. Nintendo has stated in the past that it's a different beast than the Gameboy. I believe they referred to the Gamecube/Wii, the GBA and the DS as their "three pillars" or some similar term.

          That the DS plays GBA games is just icing on the cake apparently.

          Although we can probably expect at some point support for original Gameboy/GBC carts drops off even from the direct Gameboy line.
        • Another minor correction/addition: The DS can play GBA games in single-player mode only. This is mainly because the DS lacks a GBA game link port.
    • As long as it doesn't break compatibility why would it matter?

      I suspect Nintendo will be changing the system dramatically to lower-cost (65nm process in 2007, 45nm process in 2008), minor upgrades (2/4 GB built in flash), and make it more pleasant looking.
    • by LKM (227954)
      Yeah, because all those new Gameboy games suddenly didn't work on my GBA anymore after Nintendo brought out the GBA SP. Except... they continued working just fine, and you have no point at all.
    • Sadly this seems to be the trend. I can see a real problem with this though. You won't get as many early adopters if this keeps up. No one wants to buy the latests and greatest Xbox if they are going to make a better one with a larger harddrive and less problems if they can just hold out for a year and half. The thing that upsets me is that the original DS came with no backlighting, but Nintendo has been making handheld units for years and knows damn well that those things need to have a back light to be s
    • You can always flog the old one and get, maybe, 1/2 the money of the cost of the new one if you _really_ can't live without it.

      Failing that they make good hand me downs... err.. presents for siblings or fiends. (I hope my bros isn't reading this. He got my old DS as a prezzy!).

      Also, a lot of people enjoy collecting. I know people who have collected several (or all) variants of a machine just to build a collection and hardware updates especially useful, as Drinkypoo said, is when your SW catalogue isn't mad
  • I would love to get DVD playback and I'd buy. I'd send my old Wii to my brother as a Bday gift or something. As long as a game doesn't REQUIRE you to get one of the new Wii versions, then I'll be fine with it.
  • by ernest.cunningham (972490) on Thursday February 22, 2007 @04:06PM (#18113804) Homepage
    I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback but Nintendo are waiting on software from a third party that is being developed to enable such a feature. Muck like the Wii browser being developed by Opera. I think this is more rumor than fact at this stage.

    I am sure any Wii 2.0 will be much like the Playstation2/Plastation 2 Slim, or the Playstation/PS One type of upgrade. You know, CPU and GPU manufactured with a 60nm of 45nm technolgy resulting in lower power consumption and lower heat dissipation resulting in smaller headt sinks etc. I doubt the feature spec will be much, if at all different.
    • by Osty (16825)

      I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback

      Duh? The Wii has a DVD drive. It can read DVDs. It can also play movies (which you can do right now if you load them up in the right format on an SD card). Thus I would say it's pretty obvious that everything is in place to be able to play DVDs. I'd guess the only thing missing is MPEG2 decoder software and a nice interface. The former requires licensing fees that could increase the price of

    • by AKAImBatman (238306) * <akaimbatman AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday February 22, 2007 @04:18PM (#18113996) Homepage Journal

      I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback but Nintendo are waiting on software from a third party that is being developed to enable such a feature.

      The drive is basically a DVD drive with custom firmware that reads disks encoded at Constant Angular Velocity rather than Constant Linear Velocity. (Basically, the disc always spins at the same speed in the Wii/Gamecube while regular DVDs slow down as the laser approaches the edge of the disc.) A simple firmware update would probably "fix" the drive to be able to read both types of discs. Unfortunately, drives that aren't rated for movie use are more likely to burn out early. (Something that happened to a lot of PS2s.) So Nintendo will probably release a different console with a sturdier drive. Something for which they'll pass the cost along to the consumer.
      • Got a source?

        From what I've heard the rumours about the disc spinning constantly or backwards compared to normal drives were myths from the GameCube discs, which turned out to be regular DVDs with a slightly different encoder or something.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by AKAImBatman (238306) *

          From what I've heard the rumours about the disc spinning constantly or backwards compared to normal drives were myths from the GameCube discs, which turned out to be regular DVDs with a slightly different encoder or something.

          The backwards spin *is* a myth. However, the Constant Angular Velocity is the encoding of which you're thinking about. When you write a disc with CAV, the data spaces out differently than the more tightly packed CLV technology. However, it's easier on the motor because the motor doesn

  • by Anonymous Coward

    GameDaily BIZ: The Wii did quite well this holiday season. At last count Nintendo sold over 3.19 million units worldwide. Did you expect to sell that many or did that level of success surprise you a bit?

    Perrin Kaplan: We actually projected really strong numbers like that before our launch, because any public company needs to do that... But again it was a really high risk to bring out something that innovative and different and we are really kind of in awe that consumers are so high on the product. I mean

  • Welcome to the world of PC gamers.

    I myself have been playing video games both on consoles and on the PC since the commodore 64. If there is one thing I have learned as an avid PC gamer, it's this:

    Never expect your top of the line system to be top of the line the day after you buy it.

    Technology advances. Things change. New releases are let out, and people buy them because they are better. See, Nintendo released their product, heard what the public did and did not like about it, and are going to change it
    • I have also been a console/PC gamer for a very long time and I would say that I already see the end of the constant upgrade cycle for PCs ...

      I'm not saying it is going to happen tomorow, but I suspect that if you bought a top of the line system [alienware.com] that it would take several years before you could no longer meet the minimum requirements of new games. Another thing I noticed is that there are Millions of people who are playing World of Warcraft, which is a 2 year old game that wasn't that (graphically) impressiv
      • by Pojut (1027544)
        I agree with you for the most part, although in the two years since I obtained my X800xt, it has become basically useless for new games...hell, even in the past year PC hardware (namely, video cards) have come a LONG LONG way...eventually though (and likely not too far ahead), we are going to hit the proverbial ceiling until the next big innovation comes around that changes everything...
      • I have a P4 2.66GHz, 1gig ram, and a Radeon 9800Pro. I purchased a Radeon X1950Pro yesterday because I'm unable to effectively run Supreme Commander. I'm still able to run things like Half-Life 2, Doom 3(ick) and Farcry on low to medium settings, but I wanted more. Your point is certainly valid though.
    • "Technology advances. Things change. New releases are let out, and people buy them because they are better."

      Sure, people will buy better hardware when the time and money asks for it. It's not like I should upgrade my graphics card every 6 months just because the manufacturer put out new stuff that is capable of a few more million polygons per second...

      I find the usual 5 year console cycle for hardware technology just right. There's actual effort from software makers to get optimizations out of the aging h
  • by RyoShin (610051) <tukaro.gmail@com> on Thursday February 22, 2007 @04:52PM (#18114518) Homepage Journal
    I DRTFA, but I just wanted to note that just because the Gamecube is no longer being produced does not mean that there will be no more Gamecube games, thanks to the backwards compatibility on the Wii.

    Only last year was the last Dreamcast game released (in Japan), and the system has been out of production for at least four years. Every once in a while a PS1 game is still released, because it can work on the PS2. Since the Gamecube will be cheaper to produce for than the Wii, and there's a fairly good chance that many of the consumers will have the 'Cube controllers or easily get them.

    The PS3 will also see a lot of this with PS2 games, especially with the massive increase of PS3 production costs.

    Gamecube controllers will probably also see continued production by third parties, seeing as how they can be used with VC games and are generally cheaper than the Classic controller.

    It does look like Nintendo is ditching the Gamecube internally, though.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by nuzak (959558)
      > Only last year was the last Dreamcast game released

      I heard it received rave reviews from both Dreamcast owners.
    • by merreborn (853723)

      I DRTFA, but I just wanted to note that just because the Gamecube is no longer being produced does not mean that there will be no more Gamecube games, thanks to the backwards compatibility on the Wii.

      I did RTFA, and it ends with this:

      BIZ: My point is that from a first-party perspective, just like Microsoft doesn't put out new original Xbox games, Nintendo is no longer supporting GameCube. Can you confirm that?

      PK: Right, that's correct.

      There will be no more 1st-party games for the gamecube. There *may* be 3

  • I hope the Wii with DVD support comes to the US. Personally, I would love to see something like WiiTV with some PVR and DVD support built into the Wii. I realize that nintendo was going for something that was cheap, and was puretly a gaming system- as opposed to the PS3 and 360 that want to be everything to everybody, but with the channels interface and the wii remote as it's controler, I can't think there has been a better fit since peanutbutter and chocolate.
  • Remember the early shots of the Wii that were in color back at E3 a while ago?

    Yeah, who wants to bet that will be one of the 'upgrades'? Every Nintendo thing has come in multiple colors, I don't see them stopping that now.

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