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An Evening With Sony Computer Entertainment 253

Posted by Zonk
from the some-balls-were-thrown dept.
Thursday evening, senior Sony representatives such as Phil Harrison (President of Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios) and David Karraker (Head of SCEA's PR division) sat down with the posters from a bunch of websites, looking to ease relations between the company and their customers. Along with folks from The San Jose Mercury News, Joystiq, Kotaku, and MTV, we discussed a number of the issues raised in the comments here on Slashdot the day before yesterday. My goal in going to the event was to make sure that your concerns were heard. Over the last several months, I've heard many complaints leveled against Sony and their products, and I was hoping to bring back some answers. To be honest, I walked away not fully satisfied. Read on for answers to some of the criticisms you, the readers, have leveled against Sony in the last several months.
I took notes, but a lot of ground was covered, and not all of it was probably of interest. To give you a sense of context, we were all gathered around a large table in a hotel just off of Union Square. The event was held in the early evening, and lasted for approximately two hours. While everyone was certainly civil, there were a number of tough questions passed around. Here is what I felt was most important to you folks:
  • A goodly amount of the discussion centered around Sony's newly announced Home project. The dangers of allowing uploadable content were raised, and we were assured that PSN parental controls will be fully in place within the game world. There will be a few quick button options to black out the screen (in case of offensive images) and to kill the audio (in case of offensive language). Public spaces will be moderated (and instanced, if you're curious), though they were a bit vague on just how those individuals would work economically. They're still working out the details.
  • I was intrigued on Wednesday (as were a number of readers) by the possibility of indie games in the Arcade rooms they showed off. Phil Harrison responded by saying that it is something they're very interested in. Originally, all of the games were going to be done in Java but technical problems arose. The games are now done in C. If they can wrap up the tools in an easy package, they'd be very happy to release them and allow community-created games onto the service.
  • Revenue for the service will be handled via object sales, advertising, and b2b elements in vendor areas. Those concerned about the 'amount of free' that you'll get as an intro Home user should know that they're hoping to offer a fair amount off the bat. 'Free' includes a basic apartment, access to the public spaces, a 'reasonable' number of avatar customization options, and a 'starter' set of furniture. Better views out your window will be purchasable, along with new apartments.
  • Everyone from Sony in the room heavily resisted comparisons to Second Life, and other services. In Mr. Harrison's words "That would be heavily oversimplifying both Home and Second Life." Along the lines of hacking the service to allow Second Life-style sexual animations, the reps were fairly confident that they'd dodge that bullet. The service itself doesn't allow avatar touching, and doesn't currently have emotes that approximate those actions. They eventually hope to have 100% of online-connected users on the service. Currently, the number of online connected PS3's is somewhere around 500,000 in NA; roughly 50% of the North American consoles.
  • Right now the download is around 450 megs, but that's going to probably shrink and grow over the course of development.
  • The subject of Sony's arrogant public demeanor was broached, as well as the poor public relations message we've been getting in the last several months. The ThreeSpeech blog was broached, and the folks in the room actually clarified the purpose and reality behind the 'semi-official' blog. ThreeSpeech is actually a European entity, intended to be a public forum in which Sony-related matters can be discussed and information can be brought to the public's attention. The people behind ThreeSpeech are some of the most respected games journalists in the UK; it would be like if a US version of the site were staffed by the likes of CNN's Chris Morris, and man-of-many-talents Geoff Keighley. Because UK gamers know and trust the ThreeSpeech staff, there's an implicit understanding (in that country) that the message coming from the site is not 'tainted.' It was pointed out the lack of attribution to posts across the site is a barrier to acceptance, and they took that under advisement. For the most part, it seems, the bad reputation that ThreeSpeech here in the states seems to be a case of cultural misunderstanding. While I still don't like the term 'semi-official', I did feel as though the concept behind the site made a great deal more sense to me after this chat. Some of the other attendees were not as reassured.
  • The element that I want to convey, which I took away from the discussion of Sony's arrogance, was that arrogance is not the feeling I get from them in person. These people are, instead, supremely confident in their products and services. Thanks to the impersonal nature of quotes and the numerous (rightly decried) public relations gaffes they've suffered, their confidence can easily be seen as arrogance by third party information consumers. This is not to say the company on the whole is not arrogant; I just want to make it clear the people I was in the same room with Thursday night did not have the attitude of inherently arrogant individuals.
  • This discussion went on to include the question of the PS3's pricetag, which was a subject never fully addressed to my satisfaction. There was some talk of the PS3 as a lifestyle, and the still-important question of why Blu-ray technology is necessary. Peripherals such as the EyeToy were mentioned as 'making the PS3 disappear from the equation', which given the cost of the system seemed to be a poor choice of words. Not much of substance resulted from the Sony 'side of the table' on this subject, and that attitude left me feeling a bit frustrated. The system's cost won't be changing for some time now, and there's apparently not much to talk about on that subject. This was the one element that I went into the session hoping to deal with directly, and unfortunately came away feeling let down.
  • As a final note, it was stated directly that "There is no direct evidence that Blu-Ray has been hacked." Their attitude is that the encryption is strong, and that it will be a long time before it's cracked.
I came away from the meeting with a sense of cautious optimism. To be sure, any time you put a personality to a face and media quotations you'll be more inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think it's human nature to empathize with people that we've met with in person; I hope that you'll view the above with that in mind. Just the same, the folks that spoke for Sony yesterday honestly seemed like passionate businessmen with an interest in making a good product. I certainly don't think that one good press conference and a well-attended meeting can undo the public relations nightmare of the last six months, but (as I said on Wednesday) it does give me cause for hope. Assuming that the company keeps its nose clean through the European launch, it's possible the games arm of this particular megacorporation may have put its launch troubles in the rear-view mirror.
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An Evening With Sony Computer Entertainment

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  • by unity100 (970058) on Friday March 09, 2007 @05:21PM (#18294142) Homepage Journal
    critisizms in the past months ? They are fucking up customers for over 3 years in star wars galaxies. Not only that, but they are fucking up entire star wars fan community as well. Ask them why.
    • by Joe U (443617) on Friday March 09, 2007 @05:28PM (#18294238) Homepage Journal
      Unfortunately, this is not SOE, this is SCE. Sony Online Entertainment is the company currently fucking up the following games:

      Everquest
      Everquest 2
      Everquest in space (SWG)
      Everquest in computer (Matrix)
      Everquest in space with less content (Planetside)
      Everquest alpha .5 (Vanguard)
      Non EQ related filler (Stationpass)

      • > Everquest in space with less content (Planetside)

        FYI: that's humorous, but inaccurate. Planetside neither takes place in space, nor does it really follow the EQ formula at all. It's a FPS, for one.

        -lw
        • by Joe U (443617)
          I was going for humor. I actually play PS now and then. It's a fun game, but like all SOE games, it suffers from SOEitis.

          Sony, would it kill you to design a new base layout once a year? Or balance the game (yea good luck).
    • by Kohath (38547)
      Because SWG was a failure? SWG was a huge flop from day one.

      It was a long time ago. Consider getting over it eventually.
  • Supremely Confident? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by drinkypoo (153816) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Friday March 09, 2007 @05:25PM (#18294206) Homepage Journal

    This is not to say the company on the whole is not arrogant; I just want to make it clear the people I was in the same room with Thursday night did not have the attitude of inherently arrogant individuals.

    Is there actually a difference between arrogance, and being supremely confident when you have no reason to be?

    Arrogant: "making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud"

    Why yes, yes that does sound like practically everything we've heard from anyone influential at sony regarding, well, anything that's come out since the Playstation. Playstation 2 was supposed to be the god box, the supercomputer. It fell DRAMATICALLY short of the announced specifications. Playstation 3 is too cheap. PSP is a fantastic value and UMDs are highly desirable. Blah blah blah.

  • I don't care how confident those people are, PR folks have got to put at least a LITTLE thought into what they are saying and how it will be interpreted. Quotes like "$600 is too cheap!" don't sound remotely like a statement of confidence on paper.
  • Blu-Ray comments (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    As a final note, it was stated directly that "There is no direct evidence that Blu-Ray has been hacked.

    I wouldn't expect them to say otherwise. If they admitted that Blu-Ray was in any way flawed, the non-Sony content providers would be much slower to adopt the standard (if at all).
  • by pla (258480) on Friday March 09, 2007 @05:45PM (#18294448) Journal
    Peripherals such as the EyeToy were mentioned as 'making the PS3 disappear from the equation'

    Ummm... How does an overpriced and underutilized webcam accessory accomplish that? And what does that have to do with the price of the base system?



    The system's cost won't be changing for some time now

    Then neither will the sales figures.



    They eventually hope to have 100% of online-connected users on the service

    Sony, Microsoft, and even Nintendo need to understand something...

    A lot, probably even the majority, of casual gamers, don't want the whole live/home/online "experience". We want to pop in a game and waste a few hours to unwind between getting home from work/school and having dinner.

    I don't care if the world knows how much I rock (or suck) at the newest games. I don't want trinkets and scenery and furniture for a virtual apartment. I don't want to spend time doing anything beyond slaying dragons, drag-racing through densely populated urban areas, slappin' hos, and getting the little colored blocks lines up just right so they go "bleep" and vanish.

    My style of gaming doesn't fit Sony's ideal revenue model. Too bad - Give me what I want, or you don't get any revenue from me.



    arrogance is not the feeling I get from them in person. These people are, instead, supremely confident in their products and services.

    Trying to tell people what they want to buy doesn't count as confident. It counts as arrogance.

    People generally have some sense of shame and humility, and in live meeting, few people will come off as truly arrogant. That doesn't make the company itself any less so.

    I'll repeat myself - Give me what I want, or you don't get any revenue from me. If Sony responds to that by trying to explain to me why I really want what they have, you have arrogance, not confidence.
    • by feepness (543479)
      I'll repeat myself - Give me what I want, or you don't get any revenue from me.

      Someone mark this as informative. I keep buying shit I don't want and it's getting really old.
    • by ucblockhead (63650) on Friday March 09, 2007 @06:51PM (#18295202) Homepage Journal
      "Then neither will the sales figures."

      FYI: The PS3 has sold slightly more units then the XBOX 360 sold in its first three months [vgcharts.org].

      I find the rest of your comment confusing...you are mad because they're giving you a casual gaming environment in addition to the more traditional big blockbuster game model. I didn't see anything about a requirement that you use "PS3 Home" to play all games. Seems to me that you can just not download "PS3 Home" and "pop in a game and waste a few hours to unwind". Seems to me that if all you want to do is "slap hos", you can just buy GTA4 when it comes out and ignore the whole "online experience"

      Does it occur to you that perhaps they want to appeal to a variety of different markets? Does it occur to you that perhaps they want to give different consumers different things, and that perhaps they are attempting to use multiple revenue models to support different sorts of costumers?

      Seems to me that they showed a shiny new toy you can have for free, but only if you want and you said "OMFG! YOU FUCKING BASTARDS! I DON'T WANT THAT SO YOU SUCK!" It's like screaming that Toyata sucks because they make SUVs and you want a hatchback hybrid.
      • by CorSci81 (1007499)

        Actually, being the same sort of gamer as the OP, the real issue comes down to "Why would I pay more for product X which has features I don't use when I can get just what I want from product Y for less?" It's all well and good for the PS3 to appeal to the "hardcore" gamer, but as a casual gamer, I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay an extra $350 for a PS3 with a ton of features I won't use when a Wii can provide me with a quick hour of gaming here and there.

        Does it occur to you that perhaps they wan

  • by Spad (470073)

    Because UK gamers know and trust the ThreeSpeech staff, there's an implicit understanding (in that country) that the message coming from the site is not 'tainted.'
    Being from the UK I must have missed that bit - I'm not entirely sure how "cultural differences" mean that I somehow trust a Sony puppet blog more than someone from the US would.
  • price FUD (Score:2, Insightful)

    by codyk (857932)
    I really don't understand why people go on and on about the PS3's price.

    It retails for $499 usd

    Not $700, not $800, not whatever other made-up numbers people use (although yes, europe got screwed here as usual).
    What do you get for that price?

    $800 worth of hardware.

    Hardware that no other console has. Hdmi, standard high capacity optical drive, user replaceable hard drive, in a package that has had essentially no manufacturing defects.
    Yeah, its expensive, but it's a lot of machine for the money. I
    • I really don't understand why people go on and on about the PS3's price.

      It retails for $499 usd

      Not $700, not $800, not whatever other made-up numbers people use (although yes, europe got screwed here as usual).
      What do you get for that price?

      $800 worth of hardware.

      Hardware that no other console has. Hdmi, standard high capacity optical drive, user replaceable hard drive, in a package that has had essentially no manufacturing defects.
      Yeah, its expensive, but it's a lot of machine for the money. If you don't w

    • Re:price FUD (Score:5, Insightful)

      by drinkypoo (153816) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Friday March 09, 2007 @06:20PM (#18294872) Homepage Journal

      Hardware that no other console has. Hdmi, standard high capacity optical drive, user replaceable hard drive, in a package that has had essentially no manufacturing defects.

      Oh man, where to start, where to start. HDMI? This provides very little advantage over component connections, and as most people on this planet have NO HDTV, let alone one with HDMI, this is pretty irrelevant.

      User replacable hard drive, that's a nice touch. But 99% of everyone doesn't give a shit.

      No manufacturing defects? tee hee hee. There's been overheating issues and the HDMI timeout issue. That's not strictly sony's fault, but it is their responsibility to test their device with the most common output devices, and this is something they clearly did not do.

      Yeah, its expensive, but it's a lot of machine for the money. If you don't want to pay for it, don't buy it, but stop acting like sony owes you a cheaper machine.

      Anyway it's not worth anything like $800 to me. For one, I don't want or need blu-ray. Its primary effect is making games more expensive. I don't have an HDTV and probably won't have one any time soon because they are seriously fucking expensive, at least anything worth owning. I'm not going to buy some 720p shit unless it's incredibly cheap. And 1080p definitely isn't cheap.

      You can argue that we should all unlimber our wallets if we want what they have. But ultimately, Sony is a corporation, SCE is a company or collection thereof, and if they want people's money, they're going to have to give them what they want. They are not selling what most people want, which is why the Wii is flying off shelves within hours of when it shows up on them, but you can buy a PS3 almost anywhere, in spite of the fact that there's been significantly more Wiis actually produced.

      Sony is trying to force us into supporting Blu-Ray, and I'm not interested. Not that I would give those assholes at Sony any money after rootkits and destroying Lik-Sang, among other faux pas.

      • by Jarlsberg (643324)

        Oh man, where to start, where to start. HDMI? This provides very little advantage over component connections, and as most people on this planet have NO HDTV, let alone one with HDMI, this is pretty irrelevant.
        I don't know if this is just the Slashdot segment, but this argument keeps popping up. I've got two HD-TVs, and all of my friends have got HD-TVs. They're getting inexpensive, and you rarely see SD-TVs advertised for sale anymore.
        • by CorSci81 (1007499)
          I work for a company where most of us make a pretty good income, and I'm in the minority of people who own HDTVs. The vast majority of people don't have them in the US.
    • The 20GB model without cables or controllers is $499. Most of the extremely basic packages you'll find at the big retailers like Walmart and Circuit City will start at $725 or higher (connection cables, one controller, one game). Nobody is making up numbers, they're just saying what they're seeing at the store.

      Contrast that with the XBox 360, which starts at $399 for the "premium" package. If you're at Walmart or someplace like that you're going to see premium packages with two controllers and a game at
    • by bugnuts (94678)
      Consider this awesome aspect of the PS3 [ibm.com] and watch the /. sony haters heads splode. Cheapest Cell you can get your grubby fingers on.
      • Although I have a PS3 and think it's worht the money. The Cell isn't that special. It's a parreleism monster for very specific functions. If you have a problem that can be solved this way then it's awesome. The rest of us have a video game machien that plays blu-ray movies.
      • by Bluesman (104513)
        I don't understand the vitriol for the PS3 here on /.

        It's the first home computer since the Commodore 64 that you can hook up to your TV and hack on.

        There are even articles showing you how.

        It's like I've come full circle.

    • As an added note:

      in canada the price of the 20gb PS3($599) is close to the launch price of the PS2 after adjusting for inflation ($526.33). Part of the price difference in the Us is a weak US dollar compared to the Yen(JP)/Yaun(CN). They pay for parts and labour in yen.
    • by cowscows (103644)
      I could spend millions of dollars to design and build a machine that would dig 20 miles into the surface of the earth, bring up a single piece of rock from that depth, and then destroy the digging machine so that no more rocks could be retrieved. In some sense that rock would be worth a fortune, because it was collected at great expense and was part of a project that makes it a one-of-a-kind item. On the other hand, I'd have a hard time convincing an average person to give me $5 for it, because hey, it's a
      • That's a bit of an extreme example, but it's important to remember that value is relative. The stuff inside a PS3 might be worth $800 to them, and worth $800 to you, and that's great. But to me a pile of silicon and plastic and metal has very little intrinsic value, regardless of how well it's organized or how great other people think it is. A game console on the other hand, has its value created by the games it is capable of playing. I have seen very little software for the PS3 that would convince me it wa
        • by cowscows (103644)
          $800 is what the grandparent comment said was the value of the hardware in the PS3.

          His point was that he feels like he's getting $800 worth of stuff for only $600. My point was that nothing that the PS3 currently offers is worth $500, much less $800 to me.

          I hope you're enjoying your PS3. Motorstorm looks interesting.
          • I got my $699 worth. I now have a web browser and a linux machine on my 50" HD LCD. I can play some snazzy over priced blu ray movies. I have a replacement for my seriously aging SNES/NES (eventually) and a PS1/PS2. My umm special movie collection also looks good! I'd say thats worth $699 to me.
    • by Jartan (219704)

      Hardware that no other console has. Hdmi

      It's just like the difference between VGA and DVI. It's a nice little bonus feature at best.

      standard high capacity optical drive

      This is the one I understand the least. Was there something wrong with a DVD drive? Developers are often struggling already to find a use for a single DVD disc. Is something horrible going to happen to you if you have to switch to disc 2 after playing final fantasy 13 for 60 hours?

    • Sony subsidises the hardware, as do the other manufacturers. Value for money is not at issue, and never was.

      The only question is, how much is a PS3 worth to you, right now? Those that want a cheap Blu-Ray player + two decent games and have $700 to spare, can buy it today and feel happy if they want. Those of us who are accustomed to paying no more than a $300 entry fee for a games platform will probably want to wait, regardless of what else is thrown in.

      Personally, I'm not big on paying extra for "poten

  • ..as threespeech doesn't seem to have any details?

    There aren't exactly a large number of journos that'd be respected, so I guess the lack of identification is because they're all employed on one of Sony's various "Official" magazines?
  • by Lightwarrior (73124) on Friday March 09, 2007 @06:07PM (#18294670) Journal
    This will probably come across as trollish, but this is a serious question - Zonk, what is your love for Sony / the PS3?

    "Sony Keynote Offers Hope For PlayStation 3 Fans"
    "Today was Sony's day to deliver: and in my opinion they did with flying colours."
    "Finally, finally, there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel for the console."
    "Note the first: There may finally be a great reason to buy a PlayStation."
    "Your avatar is customizable, and extremely detailed. These is *not* Miis, these are better than Second Life quality digital characters."
    "[Little Big Planet] is the reason to buy PlayStation 3." (bolded)

    And from this op-ed:
    "The element that I want to convey, which I took away from the discussion of Sony's arrogance, was that arrogance is not the feeling I get from them in person. These people are, instead, supremely confident in their products and services."
    "I came away from the meeting with a sense of cautious optimism."
    "...it's possible the games arm of this particular megacorporation may have put its launch troubles in the rear-view mirror."

    Maybe it's just my view of things, but everything *sounds* sugar-coated. Your (Sony) article(s) read more like hype than unbiased reporting.

    It's fine if you're personally excited about what goes on, but I think in the interest of full disclosure, you need to say *why* you're so interested. I don't own a PS3; I have seen nothing in these recent articles to indicate, to me, that Sony has taken any steps to change their ways. And yet, you repeatedly say that this is the case.

    Why? Because they're implementing a Sony-branded Second Life rip-off? Because of one good game? Because they put their best personal face forward during one meeting?

    We've seen this exact pattern before, from a number of companies: nicely worded "promises". Pretty ideas. Friendly faces. The reality of it from Sony has been, consistently, lies and dashed hope. Does meeting these people face-to-face really make you want to forgive and forget so easily?

    -lw
    • by drinkypoo (153816)
      You know, perhaps you should consider the possibility that Zonk is simply a Sony fanboy. I mean, he's an editor, not a journalist. Not that he actually edits, but you get what I mean. Just think of every post from a slashdot insider as one of those opinion-piece "letters from the editor". But I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that. At least he is predictable. We know he will cuddle up to Sony no matter how abusive they are, and that means that we know how to read his articles.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Rycross (836649)
        Wasn't he being called a huge XBox fanboy just a little bit back? He was regularly accused of only posting anti-Sony pro-MS/pro-Nintendo stuff. Has he turned sides, or is he just calling them like he sees them?
        • by drinkypoo (153816)
          Zonk has often times posted news about Sony that makes apology for their idiocy, and in any case to avoid being branded at utterly biased he more or less has to post comments talking about the things they do wrong. I don't actually know which he is, because I don't care. :) I like the news no matter what the spin is; I can read between the lines for myself, I don't need someone to do it for me.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by king-manic (409855)
        Before a few days ago, Zonk was rabidly anti-PS3. I mean rabidly. Any story about sony beign dumb or Ps3 being bad was on the games section. I don't think zonk is a fanboy.
    • by BarneyL (578636) on Friday March 09, 2007 @06:40PM (#18295072)
      One of the greatest achievements an editor can make is to be accused of being biased by all sides of an argument.

      From what I read on /. Zonk is an xbox, wii and ps3 fanboy and so must be well placed to provide a balanced view...

      (and as a Wii owner who would just love to see the ps3 do so badly all those nice looking exclusives come over to Nintendo, I have to admit this is the first thing I've seen from Sony regarding the PS3 which gives me the impression the it might still be a success)

    • by Kohath (38547)
      Zonk spent a long time bashing Sony -- posting every bit of "news" where Sony looked bad, even when it wasn't news or it was completely made up. This is balance.

      Basically, instead of being misled by negative hype about Sony, now you're being misled by positive hype. That's the modern definition of news.
  • by kinglink (195330) on Friday March 09, 2007 @06:18PM (#18294838)
    Coming in to GDC Sony is in a hard last place in a lot of ways, yet apparently at this talk it sounds like a huge amount of the time is spent on Home, that's a huge win. Avoiding talking about the Blu-ray, price and games for the most part and talking up their new Home is good. Let's forget that GDC is about developers rather then the press, and the fact that they have taken the first steps to turning GDC into the next E3.

    But from the sound of this they really got away with something at GDC this year, and kudos for them, too bad most of us are already too jaded to turn back and most developers still find the system a hassle even with this new item. Overall though it sounds like a huge win for Sony at least this week.
  • Did you ask them why they hate their customers? That's what I really want to understand.
  • by FleaPlus (6935) on Friday March 09, 2007 @07:11PM (#18295368) Journal
    As was reported on slashdot a few days ago, Kotaku was "blackballed" by Sony for reporting on rumors about Sony Home. Even though Sony and Kotaku are back on speaking terms now, the following is quite amusing:

    http://kotaku.com/gaming/oddities/gdc07-warhawk-de v-hands-me-my-balls-242974.php [kotaku.com]

    GDC07: Warhawk Dev Hands Me My Balls

    There was this moment, just seconds after I sat down between Phil Harrison and David Karraker, when the entire table of bloggers, PR people and developers at Sony's Blogger Congress were quiet.

    Then Dylan Jobe, Warhawk game director for Incognito, spoke up.

    "Before we get started, I have something for Brian."

    I noticed Jobe had a small box on the table in front of him. He is a big fan of Kotaku and was impressed with what the site did last week over the whole Sony Home dealio.

    So he said he wanted to give me a present to thank me. Opening the box he revealed: A set of brass balls.
  • Sony? Baloney! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Whuffo (1043790)
    After personal experience with one too many Sony CD drives (computer, home stereo, clock radio) that died before their time - but not before the warranty expired, my attitude about Sony started to change. Not better-than-average equipment, just more shoddy Asian electronic crap.

    Then - as promised by their leadership ("we'll firewall it at the PC!") they embedded a rootkit on music CDs. This criminal act, followed by their arrogant defense of this action, proved to me that they are nothing more than the lo

  • I don't seem to have noticed any great consumer demand for the console to come bundled with a HiDef drive. The games don't need it (not noticed many 2 disk 360 games anyway) - and as one of the main advantages I see for the PS3 over the 360 is the use of the hard drive to spool in games AND all machines having a hard drive - if they did need more space, they could've just put a data DVD to put on the drive and a Boot DVD to shove in the PS3 in the case and been done with it.
    The BluRay drive is in the PS3 a
  • "Just the same, the folks that spoke for Sony yesterday honestly seemed like passionate businessmen with an interest in making a good product"

    No, Sony could give a crap less about making a good product, just like they could give a crap less about making a good movie, music, game, hardware, software or ANYTHING.

    If they make a good anything it's simply a BYPRODUCT of trying to make money, which is all sony has ever cared about.

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