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Sony to Add TV Tuner, DVR to PS3 255

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pjhenley writes "Sony has announced that they will add digital TV and DVR capabilities to the PS3 in Europe. TV can also be watched on a PSP using 'remote play' over WiFi or via downloaded recordings. 'The new box will feature two 1080p tuners, which utilize the European Digital Video Broadcasting system (DVB-T) -- which should dash any US hopes for the time being. The system will allow you to store recorded broadcasts on your PS3 drive, and also transcode and transfer the saved files to your PSP.'"
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Sony to Add TV Tuner, DVR to PS3

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  • by MemoryDragon (544441) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:36AM (#20342937)
    We europeans pay around 700-900 USD for the PS3
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Rosyna (80334)

      We europeans pay around 700-900 USD for the PS3
      Before you start complaining about the US price vs the European prices, always remember to remove the VAT from the European prices. Why can't Europeans bother to remember such a simple thing? List prices in the US do not include tax.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        i dont know about the US, but in europe the VAT isnt 50% (comparing the $599 and up to $900 prices). the $700 would be closer, since VAT here (holland) is 19%, which would be close to the 17% the $700 price represents

        but as for US VATs, what are normal VAT rates? wikipedia suggest between 0-9.75%, typically 8.5%

        which still ends up being less then half the VAT of what we pay here, so we still get screwed
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Rosyna (80334)

          but as for US VATs, what are normal VAT rates? wikipedia suggest between 0-9.75%, typically 8.5%

          We do not have VAT in the US. We have a sales tax, which is different. Merchants selling to other merchants items (or components like hard drives for inclusion in a computer box the second merchant sells) for resale are not subjected to sales tax. Sales tax isn't applied until it gets to the consumer. VAT is applied at each exchange.

          which still ends up being less then half the VAT of what we pay here, so we still get screwed

          Don't blame Sony or anyone else on that, blame it on the policies of the silly countries you live in. This is why the VAT needs to be removed before you do any such compare.

          • by iapetus (24050) on Friday August 24, 2007 @10:57AM (#20343919) Homepage

            Sales tax isn't applied until it gets to the consumer. VAT is applied at each exchange.

            But can be claimed back by VAT registered companies, so it all works out the same in the end.

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by Calinous (985536)
            VAT is a value ADDED tax - it is applied at each step, but only on the Added Value. If I buy hard drives for $100 a piece (including VAT), and sell them for $150 a piece, I pay VAT to the one from where I bought them (assume 19% VAT, I pay about $100 * 0.19/1.19 = $16), and the one who bought them from me pays $150 * 0.19/1.19 as VAT ($24). Now, the VAT I get ($24) is returned to the original seller ($16 of the $24), and the rest ($8) is the Value Added Tax I pay in the end to the state.
          • by flibuste (523578)

            I'm not sure I get the difference. Your definition of US sales taxes match the VAT one exactly. VAT is not included in any exchange between merchants, and, if it is, it is refunded at the end of the fiscal year. So the balance is 0 for the merchants and no one has paid taxes while echanging goods. At the end of the day, VAT is charged to the consumer only.

        • by gravis777 (123605) on Friday August 24, 2007 @12:08PM (#20344761)
          There is no VAT in the US, its Sales tax, and the reason it varies from area to area, from 0-9.75% is because its not a federal tax, but is set by the state, and in some cases the county or city will add to it. For example, large Native American areas will have 0% sales tax on items. In the area of Texas I live in, the sales tax is 8.25% (varies when I go from one city to the next, typically between 8-8.75%).

          While at first, that may sound lower, the difference is that VAT is added into the sales price, Sales Tax is not. Therefore, while the unit is $699 in the store, you then add on top of that the 8.25% sales tax. This, in my area, brought the total of the PS3 to $756.67 Of course, the advertised price is $699. Very few places in the US add tax to their advertised prices, i think the exception is when advertising gasoline prices, and a few mom and pop stores.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        We europeans pay around 700-900 USD for the PS3

        Before you start complaining about the US price vs the European prices, always remember to remove the VAT from the European prices. Why can't Europeans bother to remember such a simple thing? List prices in the US do not include tax.

        Fair enough, but taking the highest state sales tax [taxadmin.org] and the price of PS3 [ebgames.com] we top out at $535 USD max. This is still much cheaper than what you get in Europe.

        • Unfortunatley for us Americans, the sales tax story does not end with state sanctioned rates.

          It's common for counties to tack on a percentage point or two to the state sanctioned amount.

          Still not close to VAT levels, but it all adds up nonetheless.
      • by Mr_Silver (213637) on Friday August 24, 2007 @11:36AM (#20344427)

        Before you start complaining about the US price vs the European prices, always remember to remove the VAT from the European prices. Why can't Europeans bother to remember such a simple thing? List prices in the US do not include tax.

        Fair point but Amazon is offering the PS3 60GB version for $499 in the USA and £399 in the UK.

        Take 17.5% off £399 and you get roughly £340 which, according to xe.com, is $683.

        You're looking at $680 vs $499 for exactly the same product - even without the VAT, we have every right to still complain.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by gravis777 (123605)
          Fair point, but I think you are forgetting something - you are comparing the prices based on if you are an American trying to buy a product in the UK, in which case the exchange rate would be against you. You are a UK citizen making a UK salary paying UK prices. I am willing to bet that when you figure in your income in GBP versus the same person with the same job in the US making USD, and then what you are paying for the PS3, it comes out to be about the same. You are not being screwed, the reason the exch
          • by meringuoid (568297) on Friday August 24, 2007 @03:08PM (#20347003)
            Fair point, but I think you are forgetting something - you are comparing the prices based on if you are an American trying to buy a product in the UK, in which case the exchange rate would be against you.

            The exchange rate that ought to be of interest here is that against the yen, Sony being a Japanese firm. If the dollar is unusually strong against the yen at a time while the pound is weak, then we should expect Americans to get a good deal and Britons to get a poor one. But the contrary is true: at present the dollar is weak and the pound is very strong. If anything, the PS3 should be substantially cheaper in Britain.

            The truth is that Sony will charge whatever the market will pay, and the market in Britain is well-known for its tolerance for blatant rip-offs.

      • by flibuste (523578)

        Before you start complaining about the US price vs the European prices, always remember to remove the VAT from the European prices. Why can't Europeans bother to remember such a simple thing? List prices in the US do not include tax.

        Well, USA is so great, everyone should do the same and think like us!
        Including deceiving people on prices by never including taxes. Actually, you know what? VAT is on every european price as to make sure everyone is aware of the real price of things. But companies in USA are

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by hansg (264039)
        And that's just weird to me as a European (if there is such a thing, I'm Swedish, never really think of myself as European).

        Including the VAT in the list price makes more sense to me, at least for consumer goods.
        Then I know what I have to pay. /Hans
    • by Skapare (16644) on Friday August 24, 2007 @11:43AM (#20344519) Homepage

      You should be paying Euros for the PS3, not USD.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:36AM (#20342939)
    We're the US, the greatest country on Earth!

    Why aren't we getting it first?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by LWATCDR (28044)
      Simple. Because of CableCard not really being a standard.
      Sony doesn't want to have another sales disappointment in the US. People will just get their DVR from there CATV if they want one that will just work however feature limited it may be. For those that want more features and are willing to do the work to get it working then TiVO will be the product of choice.
      Too bad really. This combined with a PSP is pretty cool. You could watch TV anywhere in your home even out in your garden/backyard and tanscode it
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Frenchy_2001 (659163)
      We're the US, the greatest country on Earth!
      Why aren't we getting it first?


      I know you said that i jest, but there is a reason: Europe is much further along in its conversion to digital TV (including HDTV) and the tuner they use in a DVB-T, the european norm.
      US use the ATSC norm for over the air digital broadcast and penetration is not nearly as good.

      Although, on this one, your are getting f***ed quite deeply ;)
  • I gotta say (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Pojut (1027544) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:41AM (#20342985) Homepage
    I love the PS3 for all of it's capabilities (especially since I also have a PSP) I think it's a very well built, very well designed machine that has a lot of potential. It's non-gaming feature list is extensive and USEFUL.

    So why do I still very much prefer my 360 over my PS3?

    Games. The fucking games.

    Come on Sony. We all know that it's a powerful beast of a machine, we know it can do a lot of cool shit...but how about investing in some more quality GAMES? My 360 gets FAR more playtime than my PS3...why?

    BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO PLAY, SONY.
    • Re:I gotta say (Score:5, Informative)

      by GeckoX (259575) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:45AM (#20343069)
      Yes, but we're just coming into the first real release season for the PS3. Over the next year that will change. People conveniently forget just how long the 360 has already been out for, and that many xBox games were released on the 360 instead of the xbox. Sony has NEVER had a lot of games out in the first year for a new console. Those that know this know that waiting another 6 months to a year will result in likely a cheaper console purchase, and more game options...and in the meantime, thoroughly enjoying the last and best games to be released on the PS2. (End of console lifecycle games are traditionally the best on sony consoles)

      Now, if there aren't lots of quality games to choose from by this time next year, there will be problems without a doubt.
      • Re:I gotta say (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Pojut (1027544) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:54AM (#20343187) Homepage
        See, that's just the thing though....look at what is coming to 360 or 360/PC in the next year (I'm including BioShock in that which, by the way, is one of the best games ever made)

        Now look at what is coming to the PS3 in the next year.

        I gotta say, just looking at what is on the schedule to be released in the next year, unless something unannounced comes out, it appears my 360 will continue to be putting in overtime while my PS3 takes vacations for months at a time...
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by kidgenius (704962)
          Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone, Ratchet and Clank, and Haze. That's a variety of games, other than just shooters that are coming in the next year. Other than that, most of the stuff that is highly anticipated is coming out on BOTH systems (COD4, Burnout, Need for Speed), plus don't forget that Final Fantasy is huge for the Playstation.
          • by Pojut (1027544)
            For me, anticipated 360 exclusives coming out in the next year or so:

            Ace Combat 6, Beautiful Katamari, Fable 2, GoW 2, Kengo: Legend of the 9, Mass Effect, Too Human, Viva Pinata: Party Animals....
          • by The-Bus (138060)

            That's a variety of games, other than just shooters that are coming in the next year
            Your list is at least 50% shooters.
      • Re:I gotta say (Score:4, Insightful)

        by *weasel (174362) on Friday August 24, 2007 @10:18AM (#20343475)
        Saying things might change in the future just doesn't matter. If it -does- turn around, it can be re-evaluated whenever that -actually- happens.

        And odds are by the PS3 makes sense, it'll be cheaper to have bought a 360 or wii today and a PS3 then, rather than buy a PS3 today and twiddle your thumbs in the interim. Gamers like games. They don't gain anything by denying themselves games in some odd form of platform loyalty.

        That whole 'fan' thing is just silly.
        It used to be XBox fans defending claims that their console has a worse selection of games with lines like:
        'but it's more powerful!'
        'b-b-but A/V quality'
        'its doing better than the PS2 did at the same point in its release!'
        and
        'just wait until A and B killer titles release'

        And now it's almost perfectly reversed.
        Proving once again that people who talk about platforms and potential rather than games are only useful as comic relief.
        • by GeckoX (259575)
          Never said any of that. Wouldn't suggest anyone should buy a PS3 yet actually. I'm just stating historical trends that show that by this time next year, the PS3 should be a decent price with a nice library of quality games available.

          If history repeats itself, the PS3 will be a success, and I'll likely buy one then. If it doesn't...then it doesn't. But anyone that already bought a PS3 and is ticked or surprised that there aren't a ton of games yet really shouldn't be surprised.

          Heck, what was there for killer
          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by flitty (981864)
            If history repeats itself, the most powerful, and expensive system that was later out of the gate with only one or two strong exclusives will stay second on the charts throughout it's generation, even if the price does come down to match it's competition (remember the $200, then $150 price cuts of the ps2 and xbox?). Even if it gets more exclusives that are considered "better" games, they have to come early in the life of the console, or else they don't really matter.

            The reason why the ps2 did so well wa
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by DrXym (126579)
        I got my PS3 at the EU launch and I really haven't had problems finding things to do with it. PS3 retail games might have been slow coming but there are some decent titles to play and the drought is basically over. Aside from that it can play PS2 titles, PSN titles (Super Stardust HD is awesome), DVDs, Blu Ray, ripped movies etc. so I've used it for that as well as Linux. Most mornings my 2 year old kid wants to see a DVD so I've ripped a pile for him to pick from. I can see that if someone only used it for
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:41AM (#20342987)
    Being a half-assed blu-ray player is not enough to convince people to buy a PS3 so now they're trying to make it a half-assed Tivo too.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by 91degrees (207121)
      There aren't actually a lot of good PVRs available in Europe. A half-assed Tivo would probably make it one of the best.
    • by Minwee (522556)

      No, Sony is working to make it a fully assed Blu-Ray player [vnunet.com] to compete with the HD-TnA format.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Highroller (655558)
      It's an awesome Blu-ray player and looks amazing on a HD television. Do yourself a favor a check one out at the store before you pass judgement.
    • by Kjella (173770)
      Being a half-assed blu-ray player is not enough to convince people to buy a PS3 so now they're trying to make it a half-assed Tivo too.

      From what I understand, it's a very good Blu-Ray player. It's being a game console it's half-assed (or at least overpriced) at.
  • by La Gris (531858)
    Be sure it will be crippled so channels not willing to let your record or transmit via network will be blocked for that.

    I just ordered a DreamBox DM7025 (waiting for it in 2 to 3 weeks) with two DVB-S (satellite) tuners. This one run with VDR and Linux. It can't do HD video but, well there are so few or interrestings ones in here...
    And the DreamBox is will not block anything. If I can view a channel, I can record and broadcast it to my LAN via standard protocols and codecs to use with VideoLan.
    • by timeOday (582209)
      In the US, I don't believe there is any way to capture HD digital signals from satellite or cable (except for a locked-down set-top box) is there? That's why I'm still on analog cable. If I can't watch it where and when I want to, I'm just not interested.
      • by vivek7006 (585218)
        In the US, I don't believe there is any way to capture HD digital signals from satellite or cable (except for a locked-down set-top box) is there?

        You can capture unencrypted QAM channels on your cable. All the network TV stations like ABC, NBC, FOX, PBS, etc are available in unencrypted QAM. In my area, even PPV content including pr0n is available! just buy this [silicondust.com] and use it with MythTV or MCE
  • A couple more features like this one and it will be worth to pay $500.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Kjella (173770)
      Umm... you didn't think the dual-1080p tuners would magically grow out of your PS3 do you? It will be an add-on, knowing Sony an expensive one at that. Very impressive all the same though, but you gotta wonder how much 1080p programming you'll fit on the PS3 HDD. I'd sure want to hook up a 500GB external or so.
      • by CastrTroy (595695)
        For $130 [hauppauge.com], you could get a single tuner (one of each) ATSC/NTSC card. That's $230 for a dual tuner set up. Add $500 for a computer capable as a media centre, and $80 for sageTV, and for about $800 you have a really good media center. A little expensive, but it will be more nicely integrated, than what you get with the PS3 set up. You'll get a much better experience, because you can do whatever you want with the videos, convert them to play on your PSP off an SD card, or play them on your ipod, or whatever
        • But doesn't that limit you to stuff that is broadcast over the air? I think the only over-the-air broadcast show I have any interest in is Nova.
  • by cybrthng (22291) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:42AM (#20343015) Journal
    They dash any hopes of this happening :(

    CableCard addons could have worked but comcast would have to certify the whole PS3 video recording "chain" and that would take so long the product would never reach the consumer in time for it to make a difference.

    PS3 or not, i wish more devices could have DVR functionality. I want consumer cablecard in my MediaCenter/360 combination as well but that won't happen unless i re-buy my media center and bullocks to that! I also don't want Comcast flagging my content either.

    OTA FTW
  • by Yvan256 (722131) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:45AM (#20343067) Homepage Journal
    We keep hearing Sony about how the PS3 is the best game system, but so far the only arguments we hear are that it's a Blu-Ray movie player, a Linux computer and now it's also a PVR. Mind you, if the american PS3 had a PVR to begin with, maybe it wouldn't seem too expensive.

    Even as a non-Sony fanboy (I'm a Nintendo fanboy), I do wish Blu-Ray wins against HD-DVD, if only because this isn't a Sony-only attempt at pushing their own crap (Memory Stick, miniDisc, ATRAC, etc) but it's even better than HD-DVD in capacity (especially future potential capacity).

  • by downix (84795)
    Sony just keeps addng feature after feature. What's next, a coffee brewer to allow you to keep playing without getting up for your caffine fix?
    • by superstick58 (809423) on Friday August 24, 2007 @11:14AM (#20344127)
      I think they need to add the Sony CD so that high quality sound and video can be played on the console. Then they can add the PS32X to increase the processing power. Then they can announce that game development for both accessories will halt in about a year after the release and you will be stuck for decades with a monster created of multiple esoteric parts and expansions that completely hide the original machine.

      I'm going to go play some games on my Sega Genesis/32X/CD. Ah the simple days when a console was a console.

  • by amigabill (146897) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:50AM (#20343131)
    While we've heard a lot about cablecards and cablecard2's and mcards, the Tivo-HD compatibility problems show that we in the USA don't have a good standard yet. It works in some places but not in others. Would Sony face the same problem? Are they just avoiding this fiasco until there's a better guarantee that their tuners will actually work for all buyers in America? How is it that Europe gets better defined standards to work with (GSM, DVB) to ensure compatibility while we in America are rolling the dice with cablecards without knowing if we have the switched video stuff or not that might prevent my cablecard device from working? Or that vastly reduces choice in what phones I can use on my cellphone network?
    • by Captain_Chaos (103843) on Friday August 24, 2007 @11:24AM (#20344263)

      How is it that Europe gets better defined standards to work with (GSM, DVB) to ensure compatibility while we in America are rolling the dice with cablecards without knowing if we have the switched video stuff or not that might prevent my cablecard device from working? Or that vastly reduces choice in what phones I can use on my cellphone network?

      I'm actually really interested in whether anyone has some genuine insight into that, as I've often wondered the same thing myself. Why is it that the US, which is one country, apparently has so much more trouble to deploy some decent standards than Europe, which is a pretty loosely held together bunch of countries which couldn't be more different from each other?

  • ...is anyone having trouble with GMail this morning? It just keeps timing out (at least, over https which I have to use at work). I'd ask one of my friends, but they're all on Google Talk, heheh.

    Anyways, in order to make this post slight ON topic:

    Before anyone starts bitching about how stupid it is to add PVR functionality to what is supposedly a game system, just remember the PSX (not the be confused with the original PlayStation). It was a PS2/PVR released in Japan a few years ago that sold surprisingl
  • ... for MS to undermine Blue-Ray adoption...

    Look at my precedent comment [slashdot.org].

    Now you don't need a STB in the last line.

    Both companies struggle for the dominance in the living room. Except that MS is torn between its internal divisions: they get most of their money by licensing software to hardware companies and with the XBox also are a hardware company competing with their licensees... I wonder if they're not limiting themselves with the XBox to not lose these licensees...
  • it slices, it dices (Score:3, Interesting)

    by conspirator57 (1123519) on Friday August 24, 2007 @09:57AM (#20343233)
    it prepares food ten different ways! Don't forget, we just added the kitchen sink!

    Seriously, though. I like having discrete devices because stuff breaks and I like to:
    1. amortize the impact (cost, etc.) of a breakage by having less expensive components
    2. get components that do fewer things, but do them better
    3. have a DVD on while playing a game. PiP, you know.
    and several other reasons i'm forgetting just now.
    • But now only have to buy ONE extended warranty!
    • Seriously, though. I like having discrete devices because stuff breaks

      Then you get an equipment rack like mine, which easily has ten devices in it.

      How often does your stuff break? I know asking people to take care of their stuff or asking them to not buy garbage is hard. I couldn't convince my sister to NOT buy an APEX DVD player, she bought one and it died a year later, even with vent holes added to keep it cool. Maybe in the last ten years, I've had one of my AV components die on me.
  • I thought Sony was afraid of having multiple SKUs..

    (and maybe they should get around to finalizing the Bluray spec first?!)
  • by giafly (926567) on Friday August 24, 2007 @10:00AM (#20343277)

    Sony has announced that they will add digital TV and DVR capabilities to the PS3 in Europe

    The law requires everyone, including students, to be covered by a licence if they use any device to receive television programmes as they're being shown on TV. This includes any TV set, DVD or video recorder, digital box, PC, laptop or mobile phone - TV Licensing [tvlicensing.co.uk]
    I expect Slashdotters to reply along the lines of "but I won't use my PS3 to watch TV so I don't need a license". Tell it to the judge, guys, when you get prosecuted.
    • by lonely (32990)
      Yes, in the UK if you told that to the judge and they couldn't prove you were watching TV then you are okay. I owned a tv and video projector for some time before I finally caved and got a TV license. Until then I didn't watch TV. No problem.
  • Emacs! (Score:5, Funny)

    by alph0ns3 (547254) on Friday August 24, 2007 @10:06AM (#20343337)
    It seems like the PS3 is the new Emacs: It's a good all-around computer, the only thing missing is good games!

  • While PVR functionality would be a nice added feature for the PS3, I have to wonder if it will be capable of recording a program while your playing a game or watching a DVD.

    If it cannot record, than its utility as a recording device is much more limited. My current PVR will let me record the shows I like while I play a console title simply by virtue of being a separate piece of hardware. Otherwise, they would be better off trying to add some sort of background torrent streaming so it can download programs
  • Europe has a lot of terrestrial digital channels via DVB-T. This add-on for the PS3 is essentially a twin tuner that receives DVB-T and allows you to record and watch shows as well as getting listings. Not only that but it appears Sony are future proofing it by allowing it to receive H264 HD channels when they start to appear making it doubly appealing. I think this device will generate a lot of interest for the PS3 in Germany, France and the UK.

    The one concern I have is how this plugs into the PS3. I ass

  • That's a misleading way of saying it has two digital tuners. 1080P is nonsense in that context, the tuners don't play any part in the decoding or display of the video. They just take the broadcast and convert it into a digital stream that the system saves to disk. Just like my HDHomeRun networked Tuners are "1080i or 720p tuners" because it grabs the broadcast and sends t to my MythTV box via UDP.

    But, with the horsepower of the PS3, it could make a nice DVR. The cell processors can be utilized to dec
  • I am seriously getting confused about what the PS3 is meant to be. So far it seems to be doing its best to be a jack of trades and still fairing worse than a PC for the cost. Options of what it is meant to be:
    - Game console
    - Blu ray player
    - PC (I believe it was suggested at some point)
    - TiVo

    Now which one is it successful at being at? There is nothing worse than losing focus and at least with a PC you can do whatever you want with it.
    • PC (I believe it was suggested at some point)

      Suggested? It's a supported function of the thing, called Install OtherOS.

      Now which one is it successful at being at? There is nothing worse than losing focus and at least with a PC you can do whatever you want with it.

      It's not a zero sum game. Having Blu-Ray player functionality doesn't affect it's gaming stuff. (In fact games come on Blu-Ray) Being able to run Games doesn't mean you can't run Linux and do whatever you want.

  • ... CableCard support.

    Seriously. If a game console can do DVR and Tuner stuff, then just add a CableCard slot and the days of the proprietary cable-co. box are numbered. Microsoft, are you listening?

    Then again, if they can manage to get the price-point down a tad, maybe they can just make an OEM deal with Comcast or Cox, and be done with it. It would have to be better than the POS boxes they're using now.
  • Just wait... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DesertBlade (741219) on Friday August 24, 2007 @10:20AM (#20343503)
    Until the release the price point. Sure it may be worth it at $700-$00 but is it worth it at $1500? And I wouldn't be surrised if there was a monthly fee to use the feature. That is where the money is at, reaccuring fees.
  • by maztuhblastah (745586) on Friday August 24, 2007 @10:20AM (#20343507) Journal
    sony - v.

    1. To anger one's customer base in a flagrant manner. Ex: "2KGames really Sonyed us with that SecuROM stuff."

    2. To desperately seek relevance in a market in which your success is dwindling. Ex: "Did you hear that Sony's going to add a TV Tuner and DVR to the PS3?"
     
  • I didn't see any evidence that you'd be able to burn these programs to the Blu-Ray device, just store them on the PS3's hard drive. Are Blu-Ray burners godawful expensive, or is this just an aversion to letting people make hard copies of copyrighted materials?

    It's amusing to see how Sony has jumped the fence since the Betamax days. Now that it's big into music and movies, it suddenly doesn't seem quite so aggressive about marketing devices that can duplicate copyrighted materials.
  • Not mentioned in TFA is another exciting new feature. A wireless bed pan with built in rumble! Experience full gluteal tactile feedback and fully immerse yourself in your gaming experience, defecating right along with your in-game avatar. Now the PS3 is the most amazing console ever.












    For me to poop on!
  • a suggestion to sony, add a keyboard, mouse and allow x86 programs to run, put in satellite fm tuner, audio amplifier, and mixer into the box among others to make it the center of the living room.

    if i were a game developer, i would no longer develop for the ps3. by making the people spend time with the ps3 as a pvr than a game console, my potential sales will be lost.

    i just see it as,
    father: i want to watch the show i missed.
    son: i want to play.
    father: sorry you should have gotten a wii. haha!

"Card readers? We don't need no stinking card readers." -- Peter da Silva (at the National Academy of Sciencies, 1965, in a particularly vivid fantasy)

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