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Pre-Order Valve Games Via Steam Next Week, Enter the TF2 Beta 141

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The British Gaming Blog notes that the Orange Box (Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Episode 1, Half-Life 2: Episode 2, Portal, and Team Fortress 2) will be available for pre-order via Steam starting next week. What's more, ordering the games via Steam will give you access to an advance Beta test of Team Fortress 2. "The Orange Box contains Half Life 2, Episodes 1 and 2, Portal and Team Fortress 2; you'll have to purchase the entire package to receive the Beta. Valve recommends giving the extra codes for Half Life 2 and Episode 1 (if you already own them) to someone who's been missing out. Not explained on the actual pre-purchase page is an added bonus for early adopters, Peggle Extreme; a special edition of Popcap's Peggle featuring new challenges and Orange Box related artwork." Apparently current HL2 fans will miss out on the Beta ... because we've already paid them money.
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Pre-Order Valve Games Via Steam Next Week, Enter the TF2 Beta

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  • Oh, come on now... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Gothic_Walrus (692125) on Tuesday September 11, 2007 @03:33PM (#20559923) Journal
    Apparently current HL2 fans will miss out on the Beta ... because we've already paid them money.

    There's no possible way that the beta could support everybody who bought Half-Life 2, or even the fraction of that number that'd be interested in it. Given that you bought and played the game (ages ago, most likely) and I would assume enjoyed it in the process, I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. If you bought the game three years ago at launch, then I don't see why Valve owes you anything after this much time has passed.
    • by Nos. (179609) <andrew@@@thekerrs...ca> on Tuesday September 11, 2007 @03:46PM (#20560159) Homepage

      Since when do you offer support to beta testers, other than typically informal, forum type support? That's all I would expect from this. As far as allowing people to beta test, why not? Other than the forums may get overwhelmed with posts if there are issues. Its not like Valve will be the only ones running servers.

      What I'm upset about, is that as a loyal Valve customer for years, I'm actually being treated worse than someone who has never owned the game before.

      • by AvitarX (172628)
        Please buy it and send me the codes as they suggest.

        Then nothing is wasted.
        • by Thansal (999464)
          exactly.

          I prordered HL2, and EP1 and now the orange box.

          Sure, I am sorta miffed that the black box is not offered on Steam, but what ever, the Orange box is still cheaper then EP2/Portal/TF2. so my GF gets her own copies of HL2 and EP1 (now I can get her to play Zombie master with me :P)
          • Bah, I forgot to add:
            Any one else preordering:
            make sure you set TF2 to Preload NOW so that you are all set up in time for the beta (even if you tick off all of the games to install they don't install any of them, so you have to manually tell it to install peggle extreme and TF2)
          • by Babbster (107076)

            Sure, I am sorta miffed that the black box is not offered on Steam, but what ever, the Orange box is still cheaper then EP2/Portal/TF2.


            Well, gee, I wonder how that happened! Such a shockingly great deal that one can't help but wonder why the damn things aren't $10 a piece in the first place...
            • by Thansal (999464)
              b/c they are worth more then $10 a pop?

              EP2 is worth at least $20, and might actually be worth the $30 they are charging (supposedly it is much longer then EP1, and I was content with $20 for EP1). TF2 I am content with a $30 price tag, and I am (probably) content with a $20 price tag for Portal (depending on how long it is).

              All in all, I will probably get much more play time out of this then I did out of BioShock (And I am also content with the $50 spent on BS). Especially with the amount of time I spend
              • by Babbster (107076)
                Well, bully for you. Me, I'll pay no more than $20 for online delivery of an expansion pack and no more than $40 for online delivery of a full game. Considering how much Valve and company save by not having to produce the physical package and pay retailers to sell it, I don't think that's unreasonable. If it means I have to wait a bit to get in on the fun, well, that's not a crisis either. I've been obsessing over World of Warcraft lately so I'll hardly notice the TF2 gap in my life..."hardly" being the
      • by Novotny (718987) on Tuesday September 11, 2007 @04:23PM (#20560785)
        Typical Slashdot whining. I may not have a lot of karma to burn but I'll explain why you're making no sense.

        You get into the beta for buying three new games for the price of one, these being Episode 3, Portal & Team Fortress 2. It just so happens they're bucking in the original HL2 and Episode One (both of which I paid for) as well. So that's actually 5 great games for the price of one. Yes, that's right. The Orange box is priced comparably to any singular title also in the market.

        And typically, you guys whine because you bought HL2. One of these five titles. Whine whine! We want the last three years of development work for free! This from an Editor too.

        Er, no. I'm so with Valve on this one. And I don't give a damn if I come over like a fanboi or you all burn me at the stake for heresy.
        • Perhaps you were not aware but Valve originally planned to offer a "Black Box" with the same content, mines the two older titles, for $10 less. This offering was canceled because retailers didn't like the idea which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.

          But digital distribution is supposed to be the answer to this conundrum. Valve wanted to save their loyal customers a few bucks but apparently ditched the whole idea because they couldn't have parity between their retail and online offerings. I'll prob
          • Perhaps you were not aware but Valve originally planned to offer a "Black Box" with the same content, mines the two older titles, for $10 less. This offering was canceled because retailers didn't like the idea which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.

            But digital distribution is supposed to be the answer to this conundrum.


            Valve has never said they wouldn't offer the Black Box on Steam. If it bothers you that much, why not wait and see if they do release it? Maybe they are only allowing pre-orders on
            • by Pluvius (734915)
              Valve's loyal customers shouldn't have to wait for the people just joining in. If anything, it should be the other way around. Besides, if it turns out that there will be no better packages, then you'll just end up missing out on the $5 discount and the bonus Popcap game on top of everything else.

              Rob
            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by Ford Prefect (8777)

              Valve has never said they wouldn't offer the Black Box on Steam. If it bothers you that much, why not wait and see if they do release it? Maybe they are only allowing pre-orders on one box set at a time.

              When I was at Valve in June [hylobatidae.org], I asked about the dropping of the Black Box at retail. Apparently the standalone Episode One wasn't welcomed by retailers since, despite having high-level production values, it was effectively at a budget price - and thus was treated accordingly.

              The great-big-bumper-Orange-Box is

              • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

                by Psiven (302490)
                In regards to your last comment, I'd say that has to be some of their motivation. I have friends who've bought the CSS/DOD/HL2DM pack for lan marties, but still never experienced EP1. I will happily try to turn them on with my extra copies of HL2.

                I guess I just don't see the issue. I'd pay $30 for Portal, $40 for TF2, and $20 for EP2 (sry big multiplayer guy here). This just seems like a great value to me. It's $45 to preorder, and I get TF2 early. Holyshit, whats the issue?
        • by KingK (148438)
          Only posting because I hit the wrong mod button. Please ignore.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Deadbolt (102078)
        You're being retarded. For $45 (counting the $5 off preorder), you get Episode 2, Portal, and TF2. That's, say, 15 hours of single-player game and god knows how many hours of TF2 (at least 24 over the life of the game). Plus they throw in a 10-level Peggle, which is actually pretty damn fun and is even more awesome for being free. $45 for all that is a hell of a value, especially since Bioshock costs $50 for 10 hours of single-player. (Really awesome single-player, yes, but kinda short, and no multiplayer
        • by StikyPad (445176)
          Soft and gently, apparently. Like date rape.
        • by Nos. (179609)
          Yeah, because its wrong to think that as a loyal customer for years, I could actually expect something more than someone just walking in the door, so to speak. Don't get me wrong, the price is not the issue, and they could arbitrarily set the individual prices to anything anyways. The point is, a new customer is getting more benefit than an existing customer (that being HL2 and Ep1). I already have HL2, so giving a gift to give away, really isn't any value to me. I'd rather have seen a $5 or $10 off for
      • by Stele (9443)
        What I'm upset about, is that as a loyal Valve customer for years, I'm actually being treated worse than someone who has never owned the game before.

        Kind of like a loyal Apple customer, who buys a new iPod every year, a new Mac every three years, and an OS upgrade very 18 months.

        What bugs me is their "episodes" seem to take as long to make as full-blown games do, and one third the time to play them!
      • by kindbud (90044)
        What I'm upset about, is that as a loyal Valve customer for years, I'm actually being treated worse than someone who has never owned the game before.

        Don't worry, I'm still not buying their Stream-powered crap. Not until it gets into the $9.99 bargain bin. That's a fee more appropriate for software rental, which is what Steam/HL2 really is.
        • by Sporkinum (655143)
          I just played HL2 and Ep1 for the first time about 3 weeks ago. I wouldn't buy it because of steam, so I just used my son's account. After I finished it, I promptly deleted everything. Fun game for the most part, but load time between sections was horrendous and really took you out of the game. BTW, he got EP1 for $5 through some special deal. I'd say it was worth maybe $10 tops.
    • by aarmenaa (712174)
      I believe may stem from the fact that the Orange Box is going to include the original Half-Life 2 and Episode One (as well as TF2, Portal, and Episode 2), and is currently the only package I see available on Steam. Well, being the loyal fan I am, I already purchased Half-Life 2 and Episode One - I would really prefer a cheaper package that didn't include stuff I already paid for.

      Apparently Valve has already thought of this, as this is at the bottom of the order page:

      Already own Half-Life 2 or Half-Life 2: Episode One?
      Give your extra game as a gift to a friend when you purchase The Orange Box. Learn more here.

      But still, it's not an ideal solutio

      • You're looking at it the wrong way. I personally would pay $50 for TF2, but let's say it's only worth $29.95 to you. HL2:E1 was $20 at launch. Let's say pOrtal is mediocre and worth less than an average budget game, $10. $30 + $20 + $10 = $60, even in the new math. $45 (or $50, if you don't preorder) is a ridiculous bargain. Don't look at it as having to pay extra -- it's getting two additional games (or 1.5, if you like) -- HL2 and HL2:E1 for free! You can even sell them on the open market and make
        • by Pluvius (734915)
          $30 + $20 + $10 = $60, even in the new math.

          More like $20 + $20 + $10 = $50 at most, since Valve usually packs online mods in for free (or at least much cheaper than $30) with its other games. So the package is the same price as what the new games are worth, at best. Even though the point of Steam packages is to get discounts from buying multiple games, this still wouldn't be a bad thing if Valve wasn't dishonestly making it look like $50 is a great bargain.

          All I'm asking is that Valve offer a package tha
          • TF2 was developed from the ground up as a new game. Look at Counterstrike: Source -- $27.99 at Amazon. That's after being out for what, 3 years now? And TF2 has been in development for a heck of a lot longer and is far more of a completely new, remade game from TF:C than Counterstrike: Source is from vanilla Counterstrike. Are you arguing that Quake Wars: Enemy Territory should be free since, hey! Castle Wolfenstein:ET was?
            I can't decide if you're being deliberately disingenuous or if somehow you actual
            • by Pluvius (734915)
              Look at Counterstrike: Source -- $27.99 at Amazon.

              Free with HL2, and it always has been. I.e. CS:S isn't worth anywhere close to $30 either.

              Rob
              • "Free with HL2, and it always has been. I.e. CS:S isn't worth anywhere close to $30 either."

                I just went to a lan party in San Jose where Valve gave out free copies of HL2 but you had to reg thru steam, i grabbed one and installed it on my son's system so he could play CS:S with me.. unfortunately having HL2 DOES NOT entitle you to CS:S.

                What you have must have been a bundle.
        • I want TF2. I either own the other games or do not want them for any price. Valve clearly wont let me do that. Does this make me a moaner?
          Would you buy World Of Warcraft if it only came in a package with Star Wars Galaxies and Guild Wars?
          This is an insane pricing strategy.
    • by neoform (551705)
      >If you bought the game three years ago at launch, then I don't see why Valve owes you anything after this much time has passed.

      Oh come on. You don't see how they owe you anything? You're a paying customer, who is more likely to buy a half-life 2 game than a previous half-life 2 buyer? treading on your user base is very stupid, no matter how loyal they are. I loved half-life 2 and will buy episode 2 either way, but not all fans like the game as much as I do.
  • by Chris whatever (980992) on Tuesday September 11, 2007 @03:33PM (#20559925)
    want to blow out steam.....
  • This might be slightly tangential but does Valve run slowly for anyone else? They have some great games available and I'm more than happy to pay for the good ones out there but the whole Valve service seems bloated, clunky, and wasteful. I can buy games online without needing a Valve interface, albeit those will be indie games and not professional ons. I can download cracks from bittorrent and not need Valve running in the background. To run even the simplest game it has to fire up the whole Valve app and a
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by fo0bar (261207)

      This might be slightly tangential but does Valve run slowly for anyone else?
      Yes, it's quite slow to pick up Valve HQ and move it. Their employees need to get on the treadmill, that's how slow Valve is.

      (Steam is the content delivery service, Valve is the company name. And yes, to a degree. It's a bit slow starting and stopping (maybe 30 seconds to do either), but once it's up and running, it works fine for me.)
    • No, I think it's just you. On high-speed internet, the interface is very fast, and only slow if you're using the store on dial-up. If the "authenticate online" function is breaking it for you, all you have to do is set it to offline mode, and it won't call out any more. As for it running in the background, at the moment it's only using 8MB of RAM. I don't see a problem there (Disclaimer: I'm not doing video/image editing or any other RAM-intensive thing most of the time), as long as it Just Works (tm), whi
      • No, I think it's just you. On high-speed internet, the interface is very fast, and only slow if you're using the store on dial-up. If the "authenticate online" function is breaking it for you, all you have to do is set it to offline mode, and it won't call out any more. As for it running in the background, at the moment it's only using 8MB of RAM. I don't see a problem there (Disclaimer: I'm not doing video/image editing or any other RAM-intensive thing most of the time), as long as it Just Works (tm), which it does for me. And booting at startup didn't slow my computer down any appreciable amount, like Symantic Antivirus or Cisco Clean Access.

        Hmm. My machine is starting to get to the oldish side. It was fairly kick-ass as of 2002 but it's still running Win2K. That's an oldish OS, not sure if it's going to be having conflicts with the newer software out there.

        • by Thansal (999464)
          Steam runs perfectly fine on 2K (I was running 2K up untill shortly after Vista came out when I switched to XP for a few games that are 'XP only')

          My old system ran Steam effortlessly, My new one has problems (all of the games end with XP tellign me they crashed, kinda odd, haven't poked at it yet).

          Old system specs:
          aprox 2ghz AMD CPU (don't remember off the top of my head)
          1 Gig Ram
          decent graphics card (but nothing overly impressive)

          if your system approaches mine, I would check out other things for beign the
          • Steam runs perfectly fine on 2K (I was running 2K up untill shortly after Vista came out when I switched to XP for a few games that are 'XP only')
            Hmm. Looks like I'll have to poke at it some more. I'm catching up on some of the classics I've missed over the past few years. Loving the new Pirates, it runs fine, it just takes way too frickin' long to load up with the steam crap. I'll have to try that offline thing that was suggested, that might help a bit.
    • my computer is midrange this generation and I don't have any problems at all
      I even prefer the steam thing, because I can let friends play when I'm away from good computers for months at a time. Or when I reinstall an OS I just grab steam instead of searching for install discs, which are long gone by the way
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by labalicious (844887)
      Have you tried the new version of Steam? My computer is 5 years old and runs it just fine. Try downloading the beta, it's really light weight >20mb used at a time. Just in case people don't have the link... http://steampowered.com/ [steampowered.com]
      • I'll check to see if it's updated. I'll also try that offline feature that was also mentioned, that might help a bit.
    • by stg (43177)
      I don't have any of the problems you mention. You might want to note that you can click on Cancel when it's logging on and it will stay off-line. I haven't tried it lately, but when I only had dial-up on one of my computers, all games still worked fine on off-line mode.

      Sudden updates when you want to run a game and THEN has to wait for an update to download are very annoying, though.
    • by Pragmatix (688158)
      I use direct2drive, which has a pretty good selection of major titles you can download. They have some activation process you have to go through once you download, but after that you can play the game and don't need to be connected to anything.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by nuzak (959558)
      Yes, I find Steam to be pretty buggy, from not launching games except the second time I select the launch, to losing games in my list until I log out and back in, to a very sluggish store UI, which is merely an embedded IE component.

      But it still beats the living crap out of dealing with physical discs, and it's still a much better delivery service than Direct2Drive. I've never found the authentication to be slow, and BTW, it only has to do it once if you're not doing multiplayer.

      Your criticisms might carry
      • my gf's mother
        You know, you can just call her a great-grandmother. (We all know the other meaning of gf doesn't exist for Slashdot :P)
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by jollyreaper (513215)

        Your criticisms might carry a little more weight if you even knew what the name of the app was called. You sound like my gf's mother, who says things like "My Microsoft is slow".
        Oh, give me a break, my intertubes were clogged. My interweb company says there's some spam caught in there, they're sending a guy in there to clear it out.
  • Bah! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jacksonic (914470)
    True fans will shell out whatever monies are necessary to get their hands on the ambrosia that is Team Fortress 2.
  • by senahj (461846) on Tuesday September 11, 2007 @03:47PM (#20560173)
    If Valve has extracted a few more dollars from me than from another person for the same merchandise, I really don't give a toss.

    If there is any company in the world that I think deserves my money, it's Valve.
    Thanks, guys.

    (I can see that my friend the GTA addict has actually gotten more replay value from San Andreas than I have from HL / Blue Shift / Opposing Force / HL2 / Lost Coast / Episode One, but he's welcome to it; I just don't enjoy being Carl Johnson, though it's fun to watch, and the music is superlative)
  • by Datasage (214357) <Datasage AT theworldisgrey DOT com> on Tuesday September 11, 2007 @03:55PM (#20560315) Homepage Journal
    Lets see here: Orange box $49.95, or pre-order for $44.95.

    Or if you were to buy the new games separately:
    EP2 = $29.95
    Portal = $19.95
    TF2 = $29.95

    I suppose they could make a package containing only the new games, but I doubt that it would be any cheaper.
    • I wish they'd sell EP2 alone, since I have no interest in Portal or TF2.
    • Is this really the final price list? I really enjoyed Half Life 2 and I though Ep1 was pretty good. However, I refuse to spend 30 freaking dollars on an EPISODE. At this rate, they will extract over $80 for episodes 1-3 and that is absurd. I thought $20 was a bit on the high side for Ep1, but this is rediculous.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by MtlDty (711230)
      It's a cunning move. Seeing as I already own HL2 and EP1 my obvious choice is to buy the orange box, and gift the extra HL2 and EP1 to a friend... who then likes them enough to want to buy EP2, and decides the orange box is best choice, so he passes on the extra HL2 and EP1 to a friend...etc etc...
    • Re: (Score:1, Redundant)

      by The MAZZTer (911996)
      I already have HL2 and HL2EP1 but I bought Orange Box anyway. It's $35 cheaper than buying the games I didn't have, and it includes "Peggle Extreme", an Orange Box exclusive PopCap game... Peggle Deluxe with a Half-Life 2 theme! It's hilarious.
  • Quite frankly I'm not sure if I dare buying any more Source engine based products. TF2, Episode 2 and Portal all look absolutely awesome, but considering all the problems I've had with HL2 through Episode 1, I'm not sure if I'm willing to spend anymore.

    I could barely finish Episode 1 because it kept crashing and hanging and generally running like a bucket of shite (across a couple of different computers well above minimum specs and with reasonable FPS when it actually works). Something is fundamentally bro

    • by Stevecrox (962208)
      Meet my antecedental evidence I've run HL2 Episode 1 maxed out on four different machines on XP and Vista without a problem, Two of the machines were apparently below spec's (that warning thing popped up) and yet ran it at maximum settings.

      Some off the cuff idea's for your problems, lock ups and crashes usually occur because of three things Hard Drive, Ram or your graphics card/driver. Some games don't like certain graphics drivers for example Uru: Ages beyond Myst has huge rendering issues (with texture
      • by hr.wien (986516)

        Instead of attacking the game as many clueless people do why not sit back and try and figure out whats broken or not working as it should, it takes less time.

        Oh I've tried. My god have I tried!

        I've tried drivers old and new, I've tried formatting (several times), I've tried shutting down any programs that may interfere, I've tried messing with the Windows virtual memory and scheduler settings, I've tried every god damned command line option available in Source and I've tried changing hardware (memory, CPU

    • by Datasage (214357)
      I had issues with my old hardware, were steam would take 100% power locking up any game running with it. Which made playing EP1 an exercise in frustration. I think it was an issue with the motherboard, or in combination with the RAM and video card. Since I've replaced it, those issues have since gone away.
      • by hr.wien (986516)

        Steam you say? I haven't been able to bring up the task manager when it locks up, so I haven't been able to identify the process hogging the CPU, but if it's Steam maybe a crack could do the trick? Worth a try anyway...

        • by Datasage (214357)
          Well when steam is running, you can set its process priority to a lower level, and then launch a game. That way if it does start hogging CPU, you can alt-tab out and not be forced to reboot. Assuming you have the same issue.

          It seemed for me, to only be an issue with source engine games. And not all of them either.
  • From the summary it would seem that Peggle Extreme is an improved version of Peggle. AFAIK, it isn't - the start screen already offers you to buy Peggle Deluxe. It's more like a themed trial.

    I played the original trial, and the "themed" stuff is pretty funny, though.
  • Even if you own HL2 and Episode 1 already, this Orange box deal isn't a waste. For one, TF2 (which I've been waiting for for about 6 years now) and Portal together should be worth the ~$50, plus you do get Episode 2. Additionally, when you buy Orange box you can give the HL2 and Episode 1 games away to a friend as a gift.

    Part of me still thinks the TF2 release will somehow manage to get foiled again. I mean, I remember seeing screenshots for TF2 about 6-5 years ago with a vid detailing what the new sen

    • by Nos. (179609)

      Part of me still thinks the TF2 release will somehow manage to get foiled again. I mean, I remember seeing screenshots for TF2 about 6-5 years ago with a vid detailing what the new sentry gun was like. Then more recently there was some hype before HL2 was even released that showed TF2 in production as more of a military game, the trailer had some tanks and the engi held an MP5 and such. So, now that I've had my hopes up a couple times now for this, it's hard to believe TF2 is finally here...and cel shaded.

  • ... where can I get Peggle Extreme *independently* ??
    • by fo0bar (261207)
      Peggle Extreme is a HL2-themed trial (10 levels). If you want the whole thing, Deluxe is available standalone (and when you play Extreme, it's a big ad for buying Deluxe).
      • by revlayle (964221)
        Ahh, I already have Deluxe (which is why I asked), but, the way you described it makes it less note-worthy to me
        • by fo0bar (261207)
          It has some neat HL2-themed graphics, but yeah, it's not too noteworthy by itself. Conversely, I had never heard of Peggle before today, but it's fun enough that I'll probably buy Deluxe.

          Mission accomplished, Valve and PopCap :)
          • by revlayle (964221)
            Yeah, Peggle Deluxe was (and still is, to a degree - trying to get the final trophy) suprisingly addictive... the whole "EXTREME FEVER" and "Ode to Joy" thrown in your face at the end of each level was so ridiculously over-the-top I literally laughed my ass the first time I witnessed it.
  • I just pre-ordered the Orange Box a few minutes ago. The TF2 beta starts next week, but the pre-order is live already. Worth it to me, even though I already have HL2 and HL2 E1.
  • The article is right, but the summary says that it will be available for pre-order next week. That is incorrect - it is available now (I just got it myself).

    The TF2 beta is what will be available next week.
  • Though I do think it's crap that owners of the original HL2 don't get a discount, that's not the point of my post. I used to like steam as a distribution method--no need to search for random discs. However, I was trying to host a session of garry's mod 10 I had purchased on my desktop, while connecting to it on my laptop (to separate processing, give me more interaction controls, and provide a 3rd person recording device while i interacted on my laptop) Steam not only told me that I was already logged on
    • by Nos. (179609)
      You purchased a LICENSE to run the game on one machine. Yes, you can run it at different times one different machines (I believe), but you can't run it on tow different machines at the same time. As for your issues, have you tried reinstalling? I had a similar problem with DoD: Source (as did a friend). Uninstalled the steam client, deleted registry.blob, reisntalled steam, and things were great. Didn't even have to reinstall Steam. Its happened before, and I found the solution on the forums. A 5 min
  • I remember playing TF over quakeworld, all the different iterations as the y worked through the betas.

    Two castles... Alcatraz. Such fun, so long ago.

    Maybe I oughta pickup HL2 and TF2 and see if I've still got it as a sniper.
  • I played and loved Half Life 1, but then I got married, got way in debt, and had a kid. When my gaming rig died, I frankly couldn't afford to rebuild it. Recently I've rebuilt my budget gaming rig, but hopefully it should be capable of running HL 2 (AMD X2 3600+, GeForce 7600 GT). If anyone does buy the Orange Box just for the beta, I'll happily take those extra codes off you. If not, I'm assuming I can pick up HL 2 cheap these days, but I might as well ask.

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