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Most Parents Don't Game With Their Kids 130

A recent study, reported on by MSNBC, has found that a sizeable percentage of parents don't play games with their kids. Of those that do, many only play for a small portion of the time their kids are gaming, or have no real understanding of what their kids are playing. "Besides those who simply don't play the games with their children, another 30 percent say they spend less than an hour a week doing so. All told, about three in four parents of young gamers never or hardly ever touch the stuff. 'I don't think it's good for them, the violence, the obsession,' said Karen Kimball, 55, of Hale, Minn., another nonplayer who estimates her 17-year-old son plays 25 hours weekly. 'No longer is it, Let's go out and throw a football.'" I wonder how many parents object to their kids watching 20-25 hours a week of television. Is this a sign of current popular attitudes towards games, or honest parental concern over the 'dangers' of gaming?
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Most Parents Don't Game With Their Kids

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  • Lies (Score:4, Insightful)

    by vandon ( 233276 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @12:44PM (#21350465) Homepage
    In the article, it says 43 percent don't play with their kids, that means 57% DO play...seems MOST parents play games with their kids....Of course, this is coming from MSNBC.
    • by rwven ( 663186 )
      It's neat how they re-wrote the definition of "most." I know I'm going to train up my child in the way he should go...er...play. ;)
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      count me in the 43%...

      The wife and I tried playing D&D with our 3 year old, and the kid stabbed the cat with a pencil.

      No more gaming with the kid till she learns fluffy's instestines are not pencil holders.
      • Well, that seems to be easy then. Make the kid a mage or sorc and tell him/her that fluffy is a familiar. People tend to take care of those, what with the penalty for getting your familiar killed.

        'Course, I guess it can backfire. Next thing you know, the kid could decide he/she wants a bat or a pig as a familiar. And may Mielikki have mercy on you if your kid wants to be a Druid or Ranger ;)
    • Re:Lies (Score:4, Informative)

      by Some_Llama ( 763766 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:35PM (#21351395) Homepage Journal
      47% don't at all, then 30% do less than an hour.. poll results:
      The poll also found that among gamers:

              * 44 percent said they play over the Internet;
              * 26 percent said they spent nothing on the pastime last year, another 46 percent spent up to $200 and 12 percent spent $500 or more, with men usually the bigger spenders;
              * Price is the chief factor for people purchasing a gaming console, followed by the availability of games.

      The poll involved telephone interviews with 2,016 adults conducted Oct. 9-11 and 16-18, and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.2 percentage points. Included were 770 people who said they play computer or video games, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.5 points.
  • Duh? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ktappe ( 747125 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @12:44PM (#21350473)
    Is this really surprising? Who here DID think parents game with their kids??
    • Re:Duh? (Score:4, Funny)

      by billdar ( 595311 ) * <yap> on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @12:53PM (#21350661) Homepage
      Yeah, I paid for it... Those lil' ungrateful leeches can watch me game and I might give them a turn.

      • You jest, but when I was in high school I would leave the home PC running Sim City 2000 when I was away to generate cash. But I would often return to find my dads city running and not mine. His logic? "I bought the computer and pay for the electricity, so I get to leave my city running," although he only shut down my game once I generated a sizable amount of cash and he always saved, so I can't complane much. The problem went away when I bought my computer. Then we just argued about civic planing.
    • actually my dad did play video games with me and my siblings pretty frequently, and still does play with my my younger brother who still lives at home. he enjoyed it as much as we did and often plays by himself. so I am not surprised to hear this at all. I think if more parents would get over the media stereotypes they'd find themselves a great way to unwind and take their mind off work while connecting with their kids.
      • I would guess that it is more likely (and will become more common) with fathers who grew up with video games themselves.
    • by seebs ( 15766 )
      I've met parent/kid teams in WoW.
      • I'm one of those parent/kid teams. My wife, son, and daughter all play. In fact, we went quickly from a single home PC to four PCs (plus 3 more WoW & WoW BC, 3 character transfers, and 3 additional monthly accounts). As far as time, my son and I are pretty close but I have him by a little bit (too bad for him that football practice cuts into some of his game time). I also have 3 levels on him (he's a 64 warrior and I'm a 67 mage, wife is 54 warlock, daughter 35 hunter).
    • by Gibble ( 514795 )
      My Dad is 50 and he plays games more than I do!
    • More to the point: does it really matter all that much? On the other hand, I would love to see a study that measures how many parents are aware of the games their kids are playing, who bother to be involved in their kids' activities. I'd like to see a study that sees how well parents are teaching their kids the importance of moderation in gaming (as well as TV watching, etc). Or how about a study to determine whether parents who are involved in their child's moral development have more of an impact on that
      • by hal2814 ( 725639 )
        I don't know if Will Wheaton is the right baseline. I've never gone on a trip in the woods to see a dead body or had leeches stuck to my dugan.
      • More to the point: does it really matter all that much?

        No, it doesn't matter at all. My parents never played video games with me. They just didn't care for it. Parent's should take an interest in what their kids do, not necessarily be interested in it. That is, my parents regulated what I played and how long I played because they had an interest and that interest was my well being. They knew what was appropriate for me both in terms of content and time. That's what's important, not that they are act

    • I for one find it kind of surprising. Both my wife and I are avid gamers, and our kids are too. I play games with my kids all the time. We always have a roaring good time with co-op games like Lego Star Wars or Harry Potter Goblet of Fire or -- the old stand-bys -- Mario Kart, Mario Party, and Smash Bros. Heck, even Project Gotham Racing gets in there. I mean, why wouldn't you game with your kids?

    • We all saw what happened when Homer tried to play that boxing video game against Bart.
    • Re:Duh? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Jarjarthejedi ( 996957 ) <christianpinch@g ... om minus painter> on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:57PM (#21351835) Journal
      Better yet, let's fully generalize it. 'How many parents partake in and enjoy the activities their kids partake in and enjoy?' Something tells me you'll get a similar response level. From my experience around half of the parents I know enjoy the same stuff as their kids. The only difference between video games and something like tossing a football around (I know many parents who don't enjoy playing catch) is that video games have been vilified quite a bit.

      How many parents during the 80s-90s could have honestly said that they listened to Rock and Roll with their kids? How hard would it have been to find a quote just like the quote in the summary about Rock and Roll back then?
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by BoberFett ( 127537 )
      I can't speak for what happens when my daughter is at her mom's house, but when she's with me she I don't let her play video games at all unless I'm playing with her. She's eight right now, and I don't plan to let her game alone for at least a few years. For all I know she won't even be interested in video games by then, but if she is I'm sure I'll still play with her at least part of the time. I want her to view video games as a healthy social activity, not something you do in the basement with the blinds
      • by dvdeug ( 5033 )
        So do you make sure that she does nothing alone? I seriously suspect that if she has tendencies to do things in the basement with the blinds drawn alone, that she will, whether that is reading, hacking, game-playing, or any number of activities.
    • Or at least I do, as well as many other people I know. We're in our mid-to-late thirties, grew up with arcades and Atari 2600s. I still play games as often as I can with the kids. We'll play together (three on one in Halo multiplayer- I'm a tough SOB, they need to gang up on me), or sometimes I will play a game and they will watch (it's funny how the kids and wife would ask me to play Dragon Quest VIII, and sit there watching for hours!)... Lately we've been arguing over the Nintendo DS, only 2 of them in a
  • Since when was it cool for teenagers to hang out and "play games" with their parents? MSNBC, you suck.
  • by wattrlz ( 1162603 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @12:48PM (#21350557)
    Of course I don't game with kids. I'd pwn their n00b 455es all over the screen.
    • You remind me of my dad. His philosophy was that he should let us do well and feel good about ourselves, but that's no reason for him to lose :D
    • by Pxtl ( 151020 )
      This is why games with handicaps are good. Crank it way, way up high, so that you don't have to hold back.
  • by DarthTeufel ( 751532 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @12:50PM (#21350581)
    The guild I help lead currently has several parent/child members. I think its great. I just have to remind our 16-22 age crowd that there is a 12 year old in the guild and please be mindful of that fact.

    I can't wait till the day I can play games online with my kids. I'll finally have a 2v2 partner for Arenas who I can ground if they suck :)
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Interl0per ( 1045948 )
      Our WoW guild is very similar, with many parents with both adult and small children. My own children are members and sometimes my wife or I slide over and let them take their turn at the keyboard with the other parent logged on with them. It's not really different from playing 2-player Super Mario Bros. with my dad as an adolescent, and most days my kids and I would rather toss a ball or play an old fashioned card or board game together. PC gaming is more of a novelty for my kids, probably comes from not
      • PC gaming is more of a novelty for my kids, probably comes from not living the "American Dream" of owning 8 PC's for my kids to get in trouble on where I can't see them
        Why can't you plug four gamepads and a television into a PC and play multiplayer games that way?
    • by Faylone ( 880739 )
      Uh... ground them to grinding?
    • We have a 12 year old in our guild, I hate being on runs with him because everyone changes their attitude from fun (includes swearing etc), to some babysitter mode.

      I find it kinda stupid they're playing violent games yet people cry bout swearwords but meh, life goes on
      • We have a 12 year old in our guild, I hate being on runs with him because everyone changes their attitude from fun (includes swearing etc), to some babysitter mode.
        That's ironic; as adults, your desire to set a good example in front of a 12-year-old overrides the fact that you'd swear and behave badly... despite the fact that if he wasn't with you, he'd be talking and behaving just as badly if not worse. :)
  • Not there yet (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I think the gaming generation (those who grew up with video games being ubiquitous) are just now approaching parenting age. I'm thirty years old and I can't wait until my two children are old enough to play video games with. This is something Nintendo noticed, and so they created their system so that a 30 y/o parent can play along with their 5 y/o child. That parent has been playing video games since Atari, and will continue to play. Ten years from now parents and children will all play together and it will
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      In the last few years, we've seen a number of studies suggesting that, while most people think of video games as something kids play, that it's increasingly becoming a family activity involving parents (and even grandparents) playing video games with their kids. This seemed like a good thing. A common activity over which families can bond seems positive. That's why it was a bit surprising to see a bunch of headlines trumpeting the news that "Many Parents Avoid Video Games With Kids." So when you get down in
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by oncehour ( 744756 )
        A journalist using a misleading headline? Who would have thought! The nerve of some people, I mean really. You'd think they were just trying to inflate their page views and not even bother to report real news. On that note, one of the most funny bad headlines I've seen was "J.K. Rowling turns to crime". Turns out she's just writing crime novels now.
    • I agree with you and can back it up. I am 33 with 4 kids (started young), oldest is 7, youngest 2 are 4 (twins). I play games with all of them. A favorite for all of them is Mario Cart. I played both Star Wars Lego games through to completetion with the 7 year old, we all play Smash Brothers together (mom even plays that one) and we are continually battling for computer time as we still only have one. I have used my company provided laptop to play games with my son and we used to play DAOC together and
  • The same group has published other interesting studies [theonion.com] about teen behavior.

  • by Alzheimers ( 467217 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @12:56PM (#21350715)
    I grew up watching my parents playing Pacman and Asteroids on the venerable 2600, and got my first chops on a computer by making levels for Lode Runner with my dad. My childhood's filled with those kinds of memories, along with the fishing trips and the amusement parks and all the other usual stuff. So it's no wonder that my son's growing up dancing along to Guitar Hero, rolling around the pretty shiny ball in Metroid, and learning his alphabet by playing online games (Fisher-Price [fisher-price.com] and Starfall [starfall.com] are his favorites)

    I do all the usual Dad stuff with him too; we throw the ball around, I read books to him, we push around toy cars (Vrrooms, as he calls them), we hang out the park on weekends. But it's the digital age, and the generation that grew up with the Video game industry is going to incorporate it into their children's lives just as our parents grew up in front of the TV. The interactivity of video gaming just makes it a much better bonding experience -- it's something we do together actively, not passively.
  • My parents don't game at all.
    Is that strange?
  • I actually grew up gaming with my dad. He, naturally, was the owner of the PC and he and I played various DOS games together starting when I was about 6 or 7. When the SNES came out we played a lot of Super Mario Kart together and on the N64 we played Goldeneye and Perfect Dark non-stop. It was a blast. There's no reason playing with your parents can't be fun. Of course... I had to take it easy on him, otherwise he'd get mad and stop playing. :)
    • Of course... I had to take it easy on him, otherwise he'd get mad and stop playing. :)

      Haha. When I was very young, I remember going to arcades with my dad who was pretty good at Pac-Man and Tron. Actually he was very good at Tron, he could get far enough that it started to seem more like Wario Ware with each mini-game lasting roughly 5 seconds.

      But he pretty much stopped playing games at all for some reason. By the time I got my NES he was so out of practice it wasn't funny any more. He tried to play vid
  • Sad.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Unlikely_Hero ( 900172 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:01PM (#21350785)
    Those kinds of comments from the mother talking about obsession etc are born of ignorance. For my generation, the past ones and the coming ones gaming is just going to be part of life (barring some kind of theocrat take over....*gets plane tickets ready*). I would want to see what games my kids were playing, yes, but more out of an honest curiosity and yes...a want to play the games with them (multiplayer is more fun!)

    One of the first things my dad did for me was help me get our 486 to play the games I liked. This involved going into config.sys and autoexec.bat and REMing out a bunch of entries. That not only taught me critical thinking skills (as at a point he just said "ok, you have to figure it out from here") and made those hours upon hours I spent with my dad doing that very fun and rewarding.

    Current parents...give the games a chance, try them, you might find out you actually *shock* like them too. What's the worst that could happen? You could only be as screwed up as your children are, and lets be honest, most kids are allright.
  • I hate the media with their artificial sensation causing slants... "Common Cold Season To Start - Will You Die?"

    What adult has an extra 25 hours a week to play video games? I run a business, I'm raising 3 kids, I try to have some time with my wife. I'm lucky if I get to play an hour or two of games a week.
    Plus my kids don't WANT me sitting in their room all weekend playing video games with them.

    I'd rather them playing games than passively watching TV though.
    • I hate the media with their artificial sensation causing slants... "Common Cold Season To Start - Will You Die?"

      SOME people don't have tinfoil face masks to protect themselves from the germs, man. Take it easy.

    • Plus my kids don't WANT me sitting in their room all weekend playing video games with them.

      I think that's the problem there: video games should be in that room shared by all family members, ie. the living room.
  • My parents never did, but they didn't grow up with electronics anyway.

    It's more interesting to consider those that did.

    It's sad to see a parent just ignore his kid while his kid's in a game. You could be bonding with him, and suddenly you are working on something meaningful. Then he might actually want to spend time with you outside the game world.

    side point: If anything in life can be considered meaningful outside of what we think of ourselves. A hobby is a hobby really. You could knit a sweater, but d
  • Um....duh? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by amuro98 ( 461673 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:05PM (#21350865)
    Is anyone really surprised by this? After all most video games aren't even designed to support 2 players.

    Even those that can usually do so by splitting the screen, which just causes confusion and even headaches for most adults.

    Besides, I can't see it being that fun for either the kid or the parent, especially if the parent is a non-gamer in the first place. It really isn't very fun to get continually pwned by your opponent while you're still trying to figure out how to even hold the controller, much less which buttons do what. And the parent's aggravation will just aggravate the kid. "No, daddy, hit the X button! X BUTTON!" "Uh..." *looks down at the controller* "Which is the X button again?" *splat*

    Yeah, that sounds like fun for all.

    If anyone wonders why the Wii is doing so well, this is why. The controller and included sports games are easy enough to handle for newbie and expert alike, so at least the parent feels he can give the kid an appropriate challenge.
    • After all most video games aren't even designed to support 2 players.

      Even those that can usually do so by splitting the screen, which just causes confusion and even headaches for most adults.

      Even Bomberman and Smash Bros.? Those games are zoomed out far enough to show the whole playfield, including all players' characters.

      And the parent's aggravation will just aggravate the kid. "No, daddy, hit the X button! X BUTTON!" "Uh..." *looks down at the controller* "Which is the X button again?"

      They're all the X button [pineight.com].

    • It really isn't very fun to get continually pwned by your opponent while you're still trying to figure out how to even hold the controller, much less which buttons do what. And the parent's aggravation will just aggravate the kid. "No, daddy, hit the X button! X BUTTON!" "Uh..." *looks down at the controller* "Which is the X button again?" *splat*

      No offense, but... you underestimate adults, and seem to have forgotten your childhood days already too.

      1. I've actually tried teaching grandma to play a Sierra em

    • It really isn't very fun to get continually pwned by your opponent while you're still trying to figure out how to even hold the controller, much less which buttons do what. And the parent's aggravation will just aggravate the kid. "No, daddy, hit the X button! X BUTTON!" "Uh..." *looks down at the controller* "Which is the X button again?" *splat*

      You know, while the XBOX and PS2 & 3 have tried to fix this issue with colors and symbols, I have found the best way to get a parent up to speed using a difficult controller is with two sports metaphors.

      For the face buttons, baseball. First base, second base, ect.. It is highly effective. Almost everyone instinctively knows which base is which.

      For the triggers and top buttons, it gets a little more complicated. With my Mom I found four square notation worked. A, B, C, D box. She instinctively knew wher

    • Disclaimer: I was raised on a 2600. I was hooked from there on out.

      I spend about a half an hour (...or an hour...) each night gaming with my four year old.

      "Dad...Dad? Dad? Halo is a scary game, right? I can't play that game."

      "No, Dad. I want to be Kit Fisto. The green one. Let's do the lava one. Where he turns into Vader. No..no..I'll be Anakin. You be Obi-Wan. Why doesn't Anakin like Obi-Wan anymore, Dad?" (And no...I didn't let him watch Sith. He got that from Lego Star Wars and "Star Wars H". "Star Wars
  • Better question... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SlipperHat ( 1185737 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:05PM (#21350871)
    Would kids let their parents play with them? It would probably depend on the game.

    - Little kids don't like being beaten at a simple game consistently
    - Older ones can be impatient attempting to show their parents the ropes.
    - Sometimes parents want to play when they see their kids playing with their friends. The kids don't like to have their friends see how much the parents suck at the game.
    - Stereotype of parents not being cool *period*

    Disclaimer: I'm talking about parents born during the 50s through to the early 70s.
    • Little kids don't like being beaten at a simple game consistently

      So use a cooperative game instead. Little kids tend to try to help even IRL, so...

      Older ones can be impatient attempting to show their parents the ropes.

      Again, a lot of games are cooperative and basically non-zero-sum. As long as you don't do something as spectacularly stupid as, say, figuring out how to aggro the whole level on top of the rest of the gang, even hanging around as arrow bait in NWN2 can be some modest contribution.

      Sometimes par

  • What's so bad about parents not gaming with their kids? I bet most parents don't play hide and seek with their kids too. And I bet most kids wouldn't like their parents playing with them all the time too.
  • by Alzheimers ( 467217 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:09PM (#21350943)
    "It's just such a waste of time," said Lackman, 47, a power plant operator from Center, N.D. "I tell him, 'Do something that has some lasting value.'"

    And what, exactly, has he accomplished with his life that's got lasting value? The article declines to mention any charity work, artistic endeavours, or community programs he's involved in that his son's neglecting. Odds are good he spends his spare time in front of the TV, watching football and drinking beer.

    News flash for parents: if you want your kids do great things, first you have to do great things with them. If your son's more interested in slaying monsters online than spending time with you, it's probably because whatever he's doing is more engaging than what you've got planned for "Quality Time".

    "I don't think it's good for them, the violence, the obsession," said Karen Kimball, 55, of Hale, Minn., another nonplayer who estimates her 17-year-old son plays 25 hours weekly. "No longer is it, 'Let's go out and throw a football.'"

    I really hope this is misquoted, because if this 55 year old mom is disappointed that her 17 year old son to offer to go outside (where his friends can see) and throw a football with her, she's got more problems than video games. How about challenging him to a game of Madden? Would it kill you to try and engage your teenage son on his level, rather than guilt him into breaking social norms? I'm not saying there's anything *wrong* with throwing around a football with your mother, but try explaining that to the pimple-faced horndog who's just trying to survive the pressures a high school social fishbowl.
  • Don't tell someone got paid for this study?
  • Small Portion (Score:3, Insightful)

    by bateleur ( 814657 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:14PM (#21351033)
    many only play for a small portion of the time their kids are gaming

    I know I do, because my kids spend more time gaming in a day than my total free time. I find it hard to believe this is unusual.
    • I like to watch (Score:4, Interesting)

      by PIPBoy3000 ( 619296 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:29PM (#21351297)
      These days, I often find myself watching or helping my kids play and less time playing myself.

      Last night I had both kids playing Garry's Mod (a HL2 mod) against each other. Emma, who's four and a half, was having a great time spawning in odd things and making rebel companions. I did have to step in and mediate Emma wailed "Sam's murdering my buddies." Ah, parenting.

      They also both spent a lot of time playing the experimental game Darwin Hill [experimentalgameplay.com]. Emma requested it, "The one where there's the bugs and you get to squish them!".
  • GTA Hot Coffee with your mom?
    Some things are not meant to be.

  • My father was an old Unix hacker and had a number of games on an 8086 of...questionable legality, which is where I first played games. Later on he got into stuff like Sim City and Microsoft Flight Simulator, and I got into Nintendo consoles; there was some crossover (I liked Sim City, he liked Dr. Mario) but not a whole lot. By the time I got into disc systems like the PS1 there was almost a complete disconnect in our tastes (jRPGs weren't his thing, it seems).

    I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if most parents
    • Then there are parents who are terrified of all media besides books. A friend of mine claims to only be allowed to play video games of any kind at social LAN parties, and has similar troubles, though not as severe, with television. I do hope that no one in my generation will be so paranoid of the next technology as to govern its consumption in quotas rather reason.
  • 4 year old? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by zoward ( 188110 ) <email.me.at.zoward.at.gmail.com> on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:19PM (#21351121) Homepage
    `Anyone else out there gaming with their four year old? Wii Play has finally found its perfect audience! My son will play it for hours if I let him (he's beaten me quite a few times on that cow riding game).

    At times, I'll also let him run my orc shaman (usually in Ghost Wolf form) around Thunder Bluff in WoW. He loves to make him swim through the pond on the lower rise. He learned to spell his first word - "dance" - by making my orc dance. So if you're logged onto Trollbane and you see an orc dancing in the middle of Thunder Bluff, it's probably him. Feel free to say hi - I'm standing right next to him at all times.
    • Likewise if you see a level 47 Dwarf running around Dun Morogh beating up wolves with his fists it's my 4 year old.

      My toon benefits from having nearly max skill fighting unarmed, and he gets to run around in WoW.

      My dad was impressed how much my son could do, target a murloc at range, build up rage, thunderstomp. He even mines copper.

      Now he wants to run around as my mage. Well son, that's a bit complicated and you don't get to wear plate armor.
  • by jjohnson ( 62583 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:19PM (#21351135) Homepage
    My sister-in-law isn't allowed to play Xbox with her son because she makes him cry. "Get the powerup, Tyler! Get it! You missed it! Jesus, Tyler, it's like you're not even trying..."
    • Oh man, I can see it now. After school video game competitions with "angry video game parents" complete with fights in the stands.

      "He was hacking! Are you blind! Put my son in on this level! That other punk team killed my son!"
  • Ironically, I was just reading this article, [gamedaily.com] that describes Super Mario Galaxy's coaster mode which looks like it is geared toward playing the game cooperatively with younger children.

    As the second player, you don't get a character on screen, you get a cursor that is used to capture gems, gather coins, help give Mario jump boosts and distract would-be foes. So younger gamers still get to control the primary character, feel like they're controlling a game and ensures that the game experience lasts longer than what would occur based on their current abilities.

    • by trdrstv ( 986999 )

      Ironically, I was just reading this article, that describes Super Mario Galaxy's coaster mode which looks like it is geared toward playing the game cooperatively with younger children.

      As the second player, you don't get a character on screen, you get a cursor that is used to capture gems, gather coins, help give Mario jump boosts and distract would-be foes. So younger gamers still get to control the primary character, feel like they're controlling a game and ensures that the game experience lasts longer

  • I wonder how many parents object to their kids watching 20-25 hours a week of television. Is this a sign of current popular attitudes towards games, or honest parental concern over the 'dangers' of gaming?

    How many PARENTS spend 20-25 hours a week watching TV and ignoring their kids?
    Like it or not, raising a child is a full-contact sport and REQUIRES that you spend the time to learn about your children. Who knows? You might even find out that you like them and the video games they play!

  • is playing games with me, his Dad. I found that Co-op games work best with him. In particular, he loves the Lego Star Wars series. I keep an old xbox around just so we can play together. I do limit the time he can play though. He does understand that some games are for adults only (Gears of War, Halo 3) and I make it a point not to play those games when he is around. I have found myself looking for 'E' rated games that are simple enough for him to play.

    I have thought about what my gaming policy will b
  • by PhearoX ( 1187921 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:54PM (#21351771)
    There is no qualification of the participants. I'd wager a guess that these numbers include a large number of parents that don't play with their kids AT ALL.

    Let's see some numbers on parents that actually have a history of interacting with their children to begin with, then I'll be more interested.
  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:54PM (#21351773) Homepage Journal
    My son and I have a shared WoW account, and I try to play most of the games that I buy him for our game consoles and computers.

    But outdoors? Um, dude, he has friends for that. We live in a city, not the country.

    When I grew up in the boonies on a tree farm I played games with adults and older kids a lot more - because there were fewer kids my age in easy distance to play with - in a city, as our society has moved from a farm-based agrarian culture (1900) to a city-based culture (2000) it is very easy for kids to find nearby kids who are the same age to play with - who don't live (true fact) 25 miles away (most of my girlfriends since I was 10 lived about that far away).

    Plus, in some online games, we even coexist on the same server and sometimes run each others characters ... "Dad! Can you make sure I don't die while I go to the bathroom?" "Sure, np".
    • by Alsee ( 515537 )
      "Dad! Can you make sure I don't die while I go to the bathroom?" "Sure, np".

      I'm tempted to steal that as a sig. That is.... ah... quite a quote... when read without of context. LOL.

      It's also amusing to flip around that "Sure, np" answer. "Dad! Can you make sure I don't die while I go to the bathroom?" "I told you not to interrupt me when I'm on the phone!! Just go to the damn bathroom! If you do die while you're in there it's your own damn fault and I'm gonna take all your stuff and sell it on eBay and spe
  • I don't anymore. Mostly because of the controllers. I've been gaming since day one. That yellow ship vs. saucers game seen on Solyent Green!? Played it, with my dad.

    I played Quake against my boyz (4 and 7), but it became increasingly difficult to afford enough machines to play the oncoming games. So I bought an XBox. But after 25 years of computer gaming, the controller is all wrong. joystick on left thumb!? WTF? I played until the screen looking disease took over me. I got p0wned by my eight-year old...
  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:59PM (#21351865) Homepage Journal
    I am their parent.

    We don't have to share interests, although it is nice. However my main priority when it comes to my kids is gaming in the real world.

    One time I caught my son chasing his sister with a whiffle ball bat -- it's not heavy enough to really hurt somebody, but it certainly can sting like the dickens.

    "Here, give me that," I said. "We're going to play a game. You are going to take this bat and tap me on the shin. But the rules of the game say I can tap you back on the shin just as hard."

    So, my son takes the bat and gives me a tiny little tap. I take the bat and give him a tiny tap. Then he gives me a slightly harder tap which I return. Then he gives me a look that plainly says he doesn't believe I'm serious, then gives me a painful whack in the shin. I take the bat and promptly give him an equally painful whack in the shin. He then gives me light tap which I return.

    This goes on for a while, and my son is literally whooping with laughter, when my wife walks in to see what's going on. She snatches the bat out of my son's hands. "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" she yells.

    "I'm teaching our son about the Golden Rule," I reply. "Also, that it hurts to be whacked with a bat."

    One other time, I walked into the room and caught my daughter calling my son a "shithead", for which I remonstrated with her.

    "Do you want me to apologize?" she asked.

    "Of course I want you to apologize," I replied," although I realize I can't keep you from insulting each other."

    "You mean its OK to insult each other?" she asked.

    "Of course it's not OK," I replied. "I simply recognize I can't stop you from doing it. I insist, however, that we don't use potty language in this house."

    "What do you mean?"

    "Well," I replied, "let's play a little game. Try insulting me without using potty language."

    "Er,'You are a stinky idiot.'"

    "No, playground language isn't acceptable either," I said. "How about, 'You are a fetid addle-pate.'"

    We went back and forth a few times, and were just getting into the swing of things when my wife came into the room. "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" she cried.

    "I am teaching our daughter not to use vulgar language," I replied. "I am also working on her vocabulary."

    Sometimes I wonder if women understand child-rearing at all.
  • by nortcele ( 186941 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @01:59PM (#21351869) Homepage
    We give our kids (5, 7, 9 years old) game time equal to the amount of practice they put in on their music lessons. 30min practice gets them 30min computer game time or Nintendo DS time. I rarely game with them... partly because we don't have a game machine with multiple controllers, and partly because I'd rather do some other form of game. The flip side of that is that we commonly go outside and play basketball, football, kickball etc. We also play board games. So the point is they don't suffer from lack of parent involvement in their play time. We limit TV time as well.

    30 minutes a day is plenty of computer time right now. They get more on Saturdays. As they get older, computer time will increase, but it will have to be productive computer time. Programming, typing, i.e. learning...

    Life's 90% work and 10% play. The kids that learn that early on have a better chance at being successful and self-controlled.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Life's 90% work and 10% play. The kids that learn that early on have a better chance at being successful and self-controlled.

      Says you! Some people happen to have jobs that are... FUN! You know, the movie stars, the skydiving insturctors, the mythbusters, and maybe just maybe video game developers?

      If your child has an intrest in video games, I think it's entirely possible to make that into a career someday.
  • football (Score:4, Insightful)

    by bigdavex ( 155746 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @02:01PM (#21351891)


      'I don't think it's good for them, the violence, the obsession,' said Karen Kimball, 55, of Hale, Minn., another nonplayer who estimates her 17-year-old son plays 25 hours weekly. 'No longer is it, Let's go out and throw a football.'"

    The kids and I play catch with the football. As soon as I stop watching, they're crashing into each other and dragging each other to the ground. That's the way football is actually played competitively. They see that and imitate it (without pads of course).

    I understand what she's saying, but what an ironic choice of non-violent activity. I know I'm coming off like a weird hippy, by sometimes I see football games and think that we're not nearly as far separated from the Roman crowds watching the gladiators as we pretend.
  • Regardless of how parents choose to be involved, the underlying and most important fact is that mutually beneficial experiences between kids and their parents must occur for a relationship to be viable and have a basis on which to grow. Active mediums are excellent for this - games, sports, video games, art, yard work, etc. Passive, fat-ass mediums such as T.V., movies, etc. don't generate enough new experiences to contribute to a relationship. Learning to play a video game is no less challenging than le
  • the day I brought home a 48k Spectrum with a few games.
    My wife said "Why couldn't you buy something ALL the family can enjoy!"
    Two days later I couldn't get near the thing. ;)
  • 25 hours is A LOT. And yes, most parents would be extremely bothered by 25 hours a week of TV. I actually think that parents are probably a little more linient on games than TV. Games at least have some kind of interactive involvement, where hour after hour of TV watching is thought of as some sort of "zombieism". But I still come back to the fact that 25 hours a week is A LOT of hours to be doing anything TV/Game related. I'd deffinitely try to get my kid to do other things.
    • by geekoid ( 135745 )
      25 hours can be easy. I know people who watch 5 hours of TV a night, plus weekends.
      Heh, and they think I don't have a life because I game and be social so I don't know who is who in American idol.

  • Why does gaming always mean video games? I have a family legacy of being hardcore gamers. We were hardcore gamers before pong was popular. Road hockey, baseball, golf, cards, board games anything as long as there was somebody to beat. Let's face it a hard core gamer needs an opponent. Playing a solo video game alone for hours is to hardcore gaming what masturbation is to sex. You get the reward but really have nothing to brag about.

    Consequently I played games with my kids and still do (they are now 18 and 2
  • It started with Pokemon on an old Gameboy. I wanted him to start reading more and thought one of the ways would be to simply get him interested in playing a game that he could relate to because he was watching Pokemon on TV all the time. That's all it took. Soon, he was kicking my ass in Quake2 and Quake3, owning me in Unreal Tournament, and by the time he was 11 he was playing tournament grade Counterstrike. Then came WoW, Halo, Halo2, Halo3, etc. We play a lot of the same games together and his skill and
    • Heck, I even took my son to Paris so we could buy Pokeman Electrique Jaune (Electric Yellow) games .. and band dessines (manga for french people).

      A concerned parent plays games with their kids - partially to understand what they're talking about, partially to be able to encourage and discourage actions (my son originally wanted to grief people in WoW but now runs guilds instead and helps out starting players).

      It's just the form of the games that varies.

      Life is a teaching experience.

      My personal fave thing to
  • Just the other night I played HALO 3 campaign with my five year old son. He's surprisingly good for his age. My nine year old reads all my instruction books forwards and backwards. He's the one who explains to me all the stuff I was too stupid to read about. Both boys will play HALO together or anything with co-op (Marvel Alliance, Lego Star Wars). They've developed as a team during these times. Gaming is very entrenched in my family. My wife plays Explorers, Puzzle Quest, etc. As a family we also play Cata
  • by Anonymous Coward
    When I'd whoop his ass and do my "You just got fucking owned dance!" srsly he's super weaksauce. Tore him up hardcore, Little guy needs to practice more before he runs with the big dogs.
  • I've tried to game with my son, I really have.
    My play style... play through things with careful consideration of my next move.
    His play style ... run around like a madman shooting everything and pushing every button you see without giving it any thought.

    Neither of us really enjoys gaming with the other.
    I play like a grownup and he plays like a kid.
    We both end up frustrating each other.
    • by geekoid ( 135745 )
      And it'd your fault.
      Sorry, but you aren't handling this correctly.
      First off, you seem to be bent on winning, when the goal is to ahve a good time with your kid.

      If your moves are carefully considered you should be able to beet him, because you know how they're is going to play.

      Hell, run around like a madman and shoot things, who cares if you are just goofing off?

      Play different games, like a board game. Carcassonne springs to mind.

      I have kids, I know what it's like, but I decided I wanted to spend time so I a
  • My kids were exiled from Azeroth about 3 weeks ago because their first quarter grades weren't so hot. I hope their next report card is better so we can gank Horde together. Azeroth is lonely without them. :-(
  • I have a 3-year-old boy who has been playing games on Noggin.com and fischer-price.com for about a year now. I stay nearby, and make sure he's not doing anything inappropriate. Sometimes, I have to help him drag the little duckies to their Mama duck.

    Several months ago, we got him a game called "Candy Land Adventures" or something like that. I helped him play through it once -- so that I was aware of the game contents. Its about 6 puzzles that are extremely easy and takes about 20 minutes for an adult

  • My dad played video games with me for quite a long time. I was 4 when Super Mario Bros. came out, and most evenings we'd take turns playing single player games like Mario and Zelda, or play together on multiplayer games like Contra and Mario Kart. We kept this going all the way up to Zelda: Ocarina of Time in early 1999, at which point he said new games were too complicated for him.

    Our tastes differed a little. He especially liked gimicky stuff like Gyromite, Pilotwings and Myst, whereas I could handle R
  • by brjndr ( 313083 )
    I've been gaming all my life (I'm 29), but I'd never played a game with my parents. Then I got a Wii and showed them Wii sports. They both loved tennis, and we all had fun playing together. I was amazed how into it they were getting. They didn't quite ge that you only needed to move the wiimote, so they were taking a step toward the ball every time. It was great.

    Then my mom kicked my ass at Wii golf. That sucked.
  • ...but I play Enemy Territory and Day of Defeat with my son quite a bit.

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