Sci-Fi Channel Merging TV Show with MMO 216
Erik J writes "In a fairly bold (and quite possibly stupid) move, the Sci-Fi Channel has announced plans to use missions and campaigns of players in their own developed MMO to shape and guide a new 'ongoing' television show. They hope to have the project up and ready to air by 2010, as they work with game developer Trion World Network to create 'the ultimate merging of the TV and gaming mediums.'"
Oh, I Can See the Dialog Now ... (Score:5, Funny)
Actor 1: *makes stabbing motions* "Omg j00 g0t wtfpwnedbbq! I am teh quigley dpwn und3r!
Director: No no no, that was brilliant! Now let's get a take of the next line.
Actor 2: "What are you talking about, Pig, I totally out DPS'd you. You act all 1337 but your gear is L7."
Actor 1: "H4xx. Oh, go cry home to your mother, SirWankenstein, this phat lewt is mine!"
Director: Cut, print, that's a wrap! Now everyone prepare for The Barrens chat scene where thousands herald the deeds of PigBenis69. Remember, this scene is crucial as the dialog is a roller coaster ride of intelligence and will earn us our coveted TV-MA rating.
Could be worse I guess, they could have secured Uwe Boll to direct it
Re:Oh, I Can See the Dialog Now ... (Score:5, Funny)
You left off the griefers. (Score:5, Funny)
Meanwhile, other defenders are busy looting their fallen comrades.
Still another group of defenders is busily arranging items to spell out the word "FUCK" on the battlefield.
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No. (Score:5, Funny)
Leeeerrooooy Jenkins!!!
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Could be worse I guess, they could have secured Uwe Boll to direct it ...
Either this is EXACTLY the kind of material Uwe has been looking for... or he'll take it, produced one of cinema's all-time classics, and drive home the fact that all his other movies were intentionally done just to piss people off (the existance of this movie will send ripples throughout religious and philisophical circles who use it as a proof of the inverse relationship / duality of the natural order of things).
Re:Oh, I Can See the Dialog Now ... (Score:4, Insightful)
And even if there is a reciprocal interaction where the players can give storyline feedback to the writers, there might (*gasp*just might) be some real aspiring writers with some really solid concepts that help feed the TV show storyline.
Hell, even if they just had an advancing time-line in the game, that would go a long way to adding something to the MMO "standard" (why does it take 3 years for the inn in Westfall to get repaired?).
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Because it's not on UPS's route [wowhead.com]?
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No, you'll see "world events" like Warcraft's AQ gate opening or the opening event for Burning Crusade that provide elements of the TV show's plot as teasers, but the exploits of individual players will be very, very unlikely to appear in the show.
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Granted, IANAL, so I could be hideously simplifying a decapitation into a flesh wound.
What a great idea! (Score:2)
"Next week on World of Bender! He gathers 9 rabbits while dodging the fearsome White wolf!"
Actually.. when does this show premiere??
Sounds like a PR stunt (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, think about it in the context of existing MMOs: sure, the quests are fun, but would you really want to see a TV show about most of them? Let's assume you're a SF fan, in fact a SW fan. (Role-play a bit, if you aren't;) Would you want to see SWG footage on TV?
Or maybe you're into medieval fantasy? Well, exactly which of WoW's (or EQ2's, or whatever) quests would be great fun to watch on TV?
This week we follow the adventures of grunt Horribly Polygonal and his trusty sidekick Tusked Girl, two simple hunter-gatherers, as they slaughter Durotar Tigers by the dozen, unaware (yet) that only 1 in 10 Tigers has a skin. And will they manage to pull voodoo trolls one at a time, while the rest of the tribe wanders obliviously 10 ft away from the fight? Or will Tusked Girl get impatient again and over-aggro? Watch them meet a new group member and enjoy the suspense of finding out: is he a n00b and gonna get them wiped? Is he going to leave the group immediately after he gets the last skin?
And next week we can follow them through the Barrens, as they slaughter about 100 Zebras to get 4 hooves each. (You'd think that being asked to bring 4 hooves, would mean one zebra, right? Shows how much you pampered city-folk know about hunting.)
Or watch Tamriel the wise druid preserve the balance and harmony of nature... by slaughtering bears wholesale and waiting for them to respawn. Then slaughtering them again. 'Cause he just got bored of alchemy and went leatherworking, so now he needs leather to grind it up. (Remember, kids: living in harmony with nature means taking all you want, but not more than that!)
Don't get me wrong. In the game it's fun. But 99% of the stuff I did in MMO's, even _I_ wouldn't want to see it on TV.
On the bright side, as a SF fan, I am looking forward to a new SF MMO. Nothing against medieval fantasy as such, but God knows there's no need for 99% of the market to be medieval fantasy. It's nice to have a choice. So I'll probably buy it anyway. But, still, just saying, I doubt that the whole Sci-Fi channel thing is more than a PR stunt.
There is ONE item you did not cover. (Score:2)
On the other hand, who cares? The hero will get a rez and be back to fight the boss monster next week.
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Lich farming for fun and profit. (Score:2)
Kind of like "Buffy" crossed with "Dog the Bounty Hunter" and "The Dog Whisperer". For the average skeleton, their appearance is usually preceded by a bone rattling sound. Which gives me enough time to switch weapons to my mace of undead slaying which gives me a +25 against skeletons. Ghosts are preceded by a howling wind type sound so I switch weapons to my silver scimitar of
Nothing New... (Score:2)
>The hero will get a rez and be back to fight the boss monster next week.
So it's like the old Flash Gordon serials, then? Or, given the state of the SCi-Fi Channel these days, Flesh Gordon.
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This actually might have worked with Ultima Online.
Being an entirely player-driven world, there were some epic wars going on between player groups, some fairly crazy action sequences (despite the fact that all movement was kinda stilted), and some really novel abuses of power.
As a result, the drama factor was pretty high, at least in a "drama queen" sense.
Not to mention some amusing publicity stunts would come out of it, like the original Bob & Jim war on the Great Lakes shard, which raged on for weeks,
Re:What a great idea! (Score:4, Funny)
Turning on the Sci-Fi channel at 8pm on a Friday...
Bad Guy Boss: You've failed! Get ready to fire the planet smasher!
Lackey: Yes, my master!
Bad Guy Boss: And now they will feel the wrath of my -- wha?!?!?!?
(In run 12 robots from 12 necromancers robotic specialists. They begin beating on the boss.)
Bad Guy Boss: (Knocking out the first one) Aha! You'll never take me!
(He puts down several robots, only to see more coming in to replace them.)
Bad Guy Boss: (Knocking out the 17th one) Aha! You'll never take me!
(Half an hour later!)
Bad Guy Boss: Argggggh! But how? (Falls dead)
(Twelve robotics specialists peak their heads from around the corner, then run in and filch through his body.)
Robotic Specialist #1: Sweet! He had the remote electro recharger! A passive recharger you carry that will slowly add energy to your robot or any in your group.
Robotic Specialist #2: Awesome! Um, how awesome is it?
Robotic Specialist #1: It's aqua -- Artifact level!
Robotic Specialist #2: AWESOME!
Robotic Specialist #3: How many does he have?
Robotic Specialist #1: Lemme check...(filches thru the robes some more)...Looks like, yep, he's got twelve! One for each of us!
Specialists Crowd: Awesome! Sweet! Cool! "Yey Leroy!"
Or, same scenario:
Bad Guy Boss: You've failed! Get ready to fire the planet smasher!
Lackey: Yes, my master!
Bad Guy Boss: And now they will feel the wrath of my -- wha?!?!?!?
(In runs a huge guy that makes Hulk Hogan look like Pee-Wee Herman.) Huge Brute: (Hits him, wham, a mediocre punch) Hey ugly! Bad Guy Boss: Now you shall feel my wrath! (In runs a much smaller guy and some chick in heels with a green "+" on her bustier. The little guy shoots laser beams out of his eyes.) Bad Guy Boss: Hey! My minions, attack! Huge Brute: Say what, Bozo? Bad Guy Boss: Wait, attack the big guy! Minion #1: (Running in from around the corner along with 3 others.) Yes, my master! (They pound uselessly on him, but the boss breaks the huge guy's arm.) Chick in High Heels: (A wave of green erupts from her hands, some kind of gizmo. The broken arm straightens itself.) Hand in there, Tuffy! Huge Brute: Ahhh, thanks, Green Luv. Minion #1: Fellow minions, go attack the girl first, then the little guy! They must be stopped! (Minions run towards her.) Huge Brute: (To boss) Hey, ugly! Your momma's so fat a Super Star Destroyer can park in her docking bay! Bad Guy Boss: My minions, stop! Go attack this big guy, hurry! Minion #2: But master, we must take her out or she'll keep healing them, and him and the little guy'll wear you down and kill you! Bad Guy Boss: You doubt my intelligence? You doubt my skills? You doubt my ability to analyze a situation on the fly? Now don't ask and don't try to think. I'll do all the thinking for you! GO DO IT NOW! Minions: (Yes, master, yes yes...) Or same scenario yet again: Bad Guy Boss: And now they will feel the wrath of my -- wha?!?!?!? (Huge blast of laser power burns off the back of his costume.) Bad Guy Boss: Ow! I'll get you! (He runs towards the guy who blasted him, who stands there.) (Suddenly, another blast rips him in the back again.) Bad Guy Boss: Owwww! I'll get you, too! (He spins around and runs back, seeing a small chick with basketball-sized hooters with a smoking raygun, and runs at her.) (Yet another blast smashes him in the back from the other guy, again.) Bad Guy Boss: Owww! I'll get you! (Spins around and runs back at the guy again. (Big blast from chick hits him in the back again.) (Half an hour later.) Chick: Nice! What's he got? (Guy flips through the dead boss's robes.) Guy: Sweet! Two aqua focusing crystals! Chick: Yes! I knew there was a good reason to come
What A Waste (Score:3, Insightful)
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I don't know if I would get involved though.. I managed to kick the MMO habit (after many years of EQ and WoW)... The last thing I need (or rather my wife would kill me) is another MMO to detract from family time... Sure we watch TV together, but there are limits, we prefer to interact with each other rather then with computers
Tonight on SciFi! (Score:4, Funny)
Next week, watch as people complain about the latest changes, and kill 10 of the local wildlife for a trader!
Re:Tonight on SciFi! (Score:5, Funny)
This annoys me (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:This annoys me (Score:5, Funny)
i pointed out to my parents that the eye's on the hud where gold.. meaning the guy was cheating and had godmode turnned on..
they looked at me funny..
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i remember watching the news the day after Columbine - they had an "Expert" showing footage of how Doom was nothing but a murder simulator.. and how games destroy kids.. (all that lovely crap)..
i pointed out to my parents that the eye's on the hud where gold.. meaning the guy was cheating and had godmode turnned on..
they looked at me funny..
My parents thought that Doom was worse than a murder simulator, it was a devil worship game. I was impressed by the game so much that I went and bought a real copy through the mail, even though I already had the pirated one -- I wanted to show my support. Since I was all of 14 at the time and didn't have a credit card or checking account, I had to go and get a money order and mail that off. The mail got delivered before I got home from school and of course my parents opened it. Just from looking at the box
Probably Not Stupid. (Score:5, Insightful)
Combining the millions made on MMO's, and the millions made on stuff like 'American Idol'... i'd say the chance of this making money, is pretty high.
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I might sound overly pessimistic/cynical and my sample might be biased; nevertheless, I have the impression that you have to do something stupid to make money these days.
CC.
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Given that people in general love to feel "famous", and given the popularity of MMO, this could at least be highly lucrative as far as a business goes, however, the quallity of such a combination remains to be seen. Depending on the "plot" of the show and game, I could see this being quite entertaining, especially for those envolved or even if you know someone envolved.
Agreed. As long as it's handled well, this could work out great. What is it modern MMOs are lacking?
1. Plot - Actually having real plot writers write quests instead of setting up "Kill X of Y" would be a big help.
2. Affect the game world - I'm sick of "you saved my family!" knowing the next schmuck coming along is going to do the exact same thing and save their family again. How about if I could make a more permanent change on the game world? Perhaps individuals can't, due to programming constraints,
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*actually taking a circuitous route back to the end of the line when your back is turned.
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What they should do in WoW is have a line of sick kids out the back of the hut. So after you kill the beasts to get the organs to bribe the shaman to give you the potion that you mix with the herbs you get from the carnivorous plants...[more stuff]...and finally lift the curse that's making the kid sick, he goes home* and the next kid goes in.. *actually taking a circuitous route back to the end of the line when your back is turned.
Exactly! WoW actually has a little tiny bit of this. On very rare occasions, a quest will actually result in the quest giver going someplace and doing something interesting for a minute or so, and then coming back to where they started.
I remember one in particular involving some Dwarves doing some target practice. It was a low level quest, and when I saw it, I was psyched up because I thought most of the game would show you results from the quest in an intersting way. But no, that was just about the onl
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For global things, I think you can still accomplish it if you're careful about the kinds of quests you send people on.
Like, don't send anyone on a quest to kill the lich king, unless you can also come up with a plausible reason why he's not dead thirty seconds after you kill him.
In this vein, there's actually some rich storytelling you can get throug
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I could see this concept taken and turned into a sort of fame show and with produced bits that would advanced in-game quests and storyline.
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Sort of like (forget the proper name) those book/novels...
Turn To Page: 118 If You Want To Fight The Dragon
Turn To Page 67 If You Want To Run Away.
but envolving text messages, and other forms of voting, then the in-game player(s) have to abide by the vote, and fight the dragon, or not. This way the player, can make decisions, aswell as the audience to advance the game.
(sort of a redundant explanation, but had to comment anyways)
Say what you will.... (Score:2)
With "Big Bang Theory" on NBC, can anyone doubt its the year of the geek?
Re:Say what you will.... (Score:4, Insightful)
The rest of the Sci-Fi channel's productions are just abysmal. They make Uwe Boll look like Martin Scorcese.
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Not to get all super nerdy on you, but Doctor Who is not a remake, it's a continuation. BSG is a remake. Doctor Who takes place with the history of all the previous shows intact (or, as intact as it's ever been).
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The fact that Sci-Fi channel has the half brain cell required to take
whatever Dr. Who the BBC is offering them is no great achievement.
If Sci-Fi got the classic episodes back on the air then I might be impressed.
My PVR is primed and waiting. Those BBC DVDs are too damn expensive and incomplete
anyways. I can get all of Bab5 for less than what it would cost me to incompletely
re-create Tom Baker's first season.
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Many episodes of Doctor Who suffered a terrible fate [wikipedia.org]. The show was originally recorded on videotape, and those tapes were later wiped and reused. There are many episodes of the first three doctors that were either lost completely, or exist only as slide shows made from production stills. Many of the shows have sound, captured by fans who recorded the audio off of their TVs. Others have been pieced together out of footage used on other shows
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Unfortunately, the only programing worth watching on SciFi other than Galactica are A-list movies that they've bought the rights to air.
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Unfortunately, they forgo this and instead air wrestling (as if wrestling is too big for USA, Spike, and WB(I mean CW)), ghost stories, and giant snake movie N: {more|bigger} giant snakes.
Would it really kill them to sprinkle in a little Gamra now and again? Even Plan 9 from Outer Space is better than the stuff they keep showing. I'm down to one hour on friday nights of what was once my favorite channel.
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Re:Say what you will.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, any show that can make funny jokes based on "The dopler effect, SchrÃdinger's cat, the original time machine, social ineptness of geeks, and so on is not so bad.
I laugh at a lot of the jokes, while my wife just looks and asks "what????"
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Sheldon is my hero, too, I think.
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NBC? It's CBS over here.
Still, it's the only current show with a laugh tract that I actually enjoy. Of course it would be tons better without the laugh tract....
Everything NBC touches turns to shit (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Everything NBC touches turns to shit (Score:5, Funny)
have you meta-moderated lately? (Score:2, Interesting)
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Epic lulz (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean come on why would you give the hordes of gamers, who act a fool just to show off to 3 friends the chance to do the same on cable tv? the temptation is just too strong.
Hell I'll probably do it too if I can sign up fast enough to get the name "Leroy Jenkins"
Re:Epic lulz (Score:5, Interesting)
So, in principle even the actions of griefers could be intelligently woven into the storyline. Any GM worth his salt knows how to rationalize the actions of players, and make things fit into the storyline. A really good GM can even move the story in such a way that griefers will genuinely participate (or at least give up).
So for instance disruptions could be attributed to 'rebels' or 'a virus that is making our men go insane' or whatever.
Of course, that doesn't mean that this will be properly done. But I'm just saying it's certainly possible to implement this idea in a way that show-offs and griefers don't ruin the storytelling for everyone else.
Good point ... but .... (Score:2)
The problem is that the most likely players will NOT be interested in furthering the plot in any reasonable fashion. They'll be out to be griefers. There's only so many times that the main objective can be lost because some group of players start attacking the other players.
Lose the main battle because of mind-controlled "slaves" who turn on the rest
Retreat to the mountains
Where more mind-controlled slaves lead group after group of aliens to the camp
Forcin
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This is actually a way to give people a way to interact with the storyline in a way to move engagement to the next level. People who didn't want to play could still just couch potato it.
They could even do some kind of ranking system and popular or interesting MMO characters could get mentioned or pulled into the show. That would make people even more interested in the game side since there are plenty of fame
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How many internet groups will get into this just to fuck it up for everyone else? I'm sure anonymous, SA, [insert other internet group] will fill the ranks just so they can make the game and hence the tv show an abomination to play/watch.
If the show producers have even half a clue they can take care of this for the show, the game may suffer though... The key is that the game will "shape and guide" the show; i.e. add texture and events to the show's world. If some griefers come and make a horrible mess of some event then the show can demote it to something that gets a casual mention: e.g. "In other news, there was yet another skirmish with an as yet unidentified alien foe; back to you John" on a T.V. in the background of the show. If things
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Can't wait... (Score:5, Funny)
Slight error in logic (Score:5, Interesting)
And that brings us to what will make this particular game better than the fifty bazillion other MMOGs on the market now: your character might get to be on TV. Except you won't care, because your character probably won't get to be on TV, and barring that, you'd rather be playing than watching.
Why don't they drop this schtick and give us a sequel to that halfway-decent D&D movie they made a few years back? (And no, I'm not talking about the one with Jeremy Irons.)
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because your character probably won't get to be on TV
But your clan might. As for playing rather than watching, I'm sure if it was done well enough you'd love to sit down for a 30-60 minute program every week lionizing your otherwise pure time-wasting hours of gameplay. Hell I could see clans getting on teamspeak and watching the show together.
Much like those old television and radio shows that encouraged their listeners to play along with their secret decoder rings, this is really the next evolution of that sort of participation. Hell we have full-grown m
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Teabaging (Score:4, Funny)
44 minutes of teabaging.
Maybe tivo can skip the show and just show the 16 minutes of commercials?
I hate to be a grammar troll... (Score:5, Funny)
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I going out on a limb here, but even though you may be correct I think the more common usage (correct or not) of media is to refer to a set as a whole.
The media contains different mediums just as a herd contains cows.
Re:I hate to be a grammar troll... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:I hate to be a grammar troll... (Score:4, Funny)
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That depends entirely on the type of medium [nbc.com] you're talking about.
It's a gamble but (Score:3, Interesting)
We're grinding Commercials today. (Score:4, Funny)
This will not work. (Score:5, Funny)
MMOs and TV show universes (Score:5, Insightful)
Give these fans a place to 'play' inside a universe linked in with a TV show? Oh yeah-- there's nothing "stupid" about this idea at all.
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Then, JUST at a critical junction in the plot, a massive chunk of the player base will suddenly start spamming the chat channels, or running dance emotes, or attacking the wrong side, or suiciding their spaceships into the wrong thing, or finding some way to take advantage of a game mechanic to introduce flying Dongs [somethingawful.com] into the scene.
Basically, there isn't any reliable way to allow this to function in the stated manner and NOT get PWNED b
Make it more like Temptation Island. (Score:5, Funny)
Ughhh! (Score:2, Insightful)
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I sort of understand that approach when it comes to Lost, given that from the outset they did some fairly unusual stuff with presenting the chronology to actors and audience alike. It can be frustrating and off-putting, but it's also sui
Kind of like that EVE commercial? (Score:4, Insightful)
new meaning (Score:2)
Just when you think it couldn't get lower (Score:2)
Can you imagine? Instead of concentrating on what will make a good game, they will essentially drive game mechanics to boost ratings, decisions made by some corporate marketing "genius" who thinks they know what makes good TV. Pair this with the hordes of people desperate for their 15 minutes of fame and that's a recipe for one of two things.
One, it could be the worst possible TV stunt ever produced, one that could leave some gamers in a lurch when they pull th
PLEASE tell me it will be "Mansquito: The MMO" (Score:2)
This may be a chance to do something new with MMOs (Score:2)
This could (though I won't say will) be a chance to do something new and interesting with the genre-- something that is much closer to the "interactive movie" that gets buzzed around so much. It works like this:
Make the game a living world. That is, events in-game end up changing the game world... the landscape, politics, society, etc. Except that MMOs can't seem to have a single server, right? Not a problem.
The devs plan out world-changing quests/events/whatever. Except that they need to be designed
One word: (Score:2)
How times have changed. (Score:2)
Way 'back in the day', 1996, a group of us hard core gamers who owned a video production company and software development company, took this idea to the SCI-Fi channel . We put forward the idea of a weekly half hour news cast that would tie together the overall flow and development of the game story line with the exploits of both random and key players within the game. In addition it would explain game play new features and such. We did a sample game and news cast.
They wrote us off as a bunch of fl
There's a reason we have authors. (Score:4, Insightful)
The same is true of TV shows with a large pool of authors (say, your average sitcom). Some episodes are good, some bad, but none of them mesh up together, and you're left with a mess.
For both MMOs and TV shows, a dictatorial author is the only route to success. The best MMOs (say, World of Warcraft or EVE) allow roleplaying only within the tight rules of the game world. The best TV shows (say, Lost, Battlestar Galactica, or Firefly) have just one or two guys who call the shots for the layout of the whole show, and set firm boundaries for the writers.
An open-ended MMO inspired by a TV show, and an authorless TV show inspired by the MMO? It's the blind leading the blind, a ship without a rudder, drifting off into banality.
And if the show *does* get a visionary author to conduct the show, then the whole MMO / TV connection is pretty much irrelevant, it becomes, first and foremost, the author's story to tell.
Legal Rights? (Score:2)
It can be BOTH (Score:2)
I think that all "fairly bold" moves are also "possibly stupid", because nobody knows if they're going to work or fail spectacularly. That's sort of the nature of "fairly bold" moves.
I bet we can all think of some of our favorite films, shows or games that could have easily become "stupid" if things had gone differently or mis-handled.
The least we can do when an outfit tries something that has potential coolness i
OMG, what are they thinking! (Score:2)
Someone has not thought this through. People will force the game to go in directions that will make any kind of TV show look silly. It is pretty easy to get all of your team killed off either by letting the enemy through the lines or by fragging them your self.
Time to pick up some books and turn
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How does that differ from regular TV?
In a thunderously creative move (Score:2)
The player's minds melt down and are served as soup for at the next DragonCon - which is held by and for REAL dragons in the game!
Anyone remember Captain Power? (Score:2)
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Captain Power was awesome. Probably because a good chunk of it was written by Babylon 5 guy, who's name I'm not going to even try to write, and can't be bothered to look up.
Quite a few of the original stories could be refilmed today with very little change and still hold up.
Captain Power was by no means a kid show.
Two Words (Score:2)
Odd.
Well, here's two words that seem to Apply to this. "Final Fantasy"
Here is... I'm not sure what to call it... it is a series of games, an MMORPG, and a series of animated movies. Seems like movies were made from the major plot lines used in the games. Sure, you can fire up Final Fantasy XI and grind away, but if you are silly enough to think that TV producers would turn THAT material into a program... you aren't very imaginative.
So this is like... (Score:2)
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MMO == Massively Multiplayer Online? Is that how the kids talk these days? Kinda like "wanna cyber" -- "Hay d00dz, whats ur favorite online?"
I've wondered that myself. So I googled "MMO definition" and this is the best I got: Acronyms [thefreedictionary.com]
How any of those apply to a television show is beyond this old fart. I guess "Massively Multiplayer Online (gaming)" is the only one that applies?
Ah, English, how I miss thee.
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Ah, now I get it! (Score:2)
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Frankly, the whole idea is dumb and will never work for several reasons