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id CEO Claims PC Hardware Manufacturers Love Piracy 676

arcticstoat sends a link to an interview with the CEO of id Software, Todd Hollenshead, in which he suggests that hardware manufacturers count on piracy to help drive profits, rather than doing something to prevent it. Quoting: "...I think that there's been this dirty little secret among hardware manufacturers, which is that the perception of free content — even if you're supposed to pay for it on PCs — is some sort hidden benefit that you get when you buy a PC, like a right to download music for free or a right to download pirated movies and games. ...And I think that just based on their actions...what they say is one thing, but what they do is another. When it comes into debates about whether peer-to-peer file-sharing networks that by-and-large have the vast majority, I'm talking 99 per cent of the content is illicitly trading copyrighted property, they'll come out on the side of the 1 per cent of the user doing it for legitimate benefit."
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id CEO Claims PC Hardware Manufacturers Love Piracy

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  • What a secret! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MahJongKong ( 883108 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @03:33PM (#24720659)
    That's business as usual, not a "dirty little secret".
  • Re:What a secret! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hedwards ( 940851 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @03:36PM (#24720685)

    Precisely, that's been the case for decades. Back 20 years ago, it was pretty much assumed that when you got a computer people would come over with disks of commercial software that would be installed.

    It makes it hard for me to take piracy complaints seriously since, the actual rates are probably only a fraction of what they used to be. Sure that means more piracy in terms of numbers, but a much smaller amount in terms of actual percentage of users.

  • Confused CEO (Score:4, Interesting)

    by EmperorKagato ( 689705 ) <sakamura@gmail.com> on Saturday August 23, 2008 @03:39PM (#24720755) Homepage Journal
    When was the last time your company released quality software?
  • by Harmonious Botch ( 921977 ) * on Saturday August 23, 2008 @03:48PM (#24720845) Homepage Journal

    If the claim in TFA were true, wouldn't we see lots of manufacturers pushing Linux? If they see pirated software as having a significant effect on demand for their product, they should see free software as having the same effect?

    I suspect that they are just indifferent.

  • by cdrguru ( 88047 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @03:59PM (#24720951) Homepage

    Tell that to the folks that are paid because if intellectual property.

    The problem is, in reality, all "intellectual property" has maybe five years left to it. At that point the non-cooperation between nations will mean that if it isn't stolen and remarketed by someone in the West, it will be done from Asia. The pirates are there today with a goal of eliminating the revenue from digital media as well.

    Creativity will NOT be rewarded in the future. Too bad, because we have so little of it anyway.

  • The real problem (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:00PM (#24720957)

    When you have paid for the hardware needed to play those games, you don't have enough money left to pay for the games. You could try to buy low-end hardware so you could afford to pay for the games, but they would be barely playable on a shitty resolution (rather buy a Wii instead :) ). So you choose the lesser of the two evils : pay the high-end hardware and pirate the games.

    That's how hardware manufacturers profits from piracy. The solution of this problem would be making games playable on low-end hardware. :D

  • Re:What a secret! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PC and Sony Fanboy ( 1248258 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:02PM (#24720963) Journal
    Exactly. Years ago, when I lived at home, if I bought a computer and it didn't come with software, it was unheard of...

    These days, if my parents buy a computer from anywhere that isn't a big box store, they expect it to come pre-loaded with software - even though they havn't paid for it. Otherwise, the computer doesn't "work", and they've asked them to fix it. That is the price for their customer loyalty (and money).

    If I buy a computer with no software, it isn't a problem. I'm plenty capable of installing thousands of dollars of pirated software on it - by my self.
  • Counting on Piracy? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Phillibuster ( 1232966 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:02PM (#24720965)
    The simpler explanation is that the hardware manufacturers don't want to increase the complexity and cost of their product in such a way that would decrease their product's usability and their customer's satisfaction with the product. Crippled hardware and unhappy customers would likely lead to lower market share, which would equal lower profits. And the hardware manufacturers are in business to make money, not to protect the failures of other company's business models.
  • Numbers and Guilt (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Sniper511 ( 1350103 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:05PM (#24720993)
    1) I would LOVE to see where he's getting that "99% of peer-to-peer is piracy" number. Sounds like something he came up with off the top of his head that we're just supposed to accept as common knowledge.

    2) Even if that were true (and I doubt it... I'll give him that most peer-to-peer is probably illegal, but 99%...? Really?), is it still fair to punish the 1% of us that use Bittorrent for Linux ISO's, free software, or the odd WoW patch?

    3) Even if ISPs did do away with / block bittorrent or other P2P traffic, you really think the geek thinktank that is the Internet wouldn't come up with something else? Hell, you really want to stop piracy, we oughtta do away with this "Interweb" thingy!

    Give it up, gang. No matter what you do, somebody's gonna find a way to steal your crap. Deal with it, and move on. Quit punishing the rest of us for it.
  • by Bieeanda ( 961632 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:12PM (#24721061)
    Why should they care? If a dedicated gamer pirates $200 worth of FPS games, that's $200 that they can put toward buying the latest video card instead.

    And again, why should they care? Piracy is not their problem, and it's not worth their R&D time to bolt 'trusted computing' modules onto their products. Suggesting that they have an obligation to act is like suggesting that firearm manufacturers have an obligation to prevent gun-related crimes.

  • by Gavagai80 ( 1275204 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:14PM (#24721075) Homepage
    Speaking as someone who makes a living from my copyrighted software, I agree that it's different from physical property and I'd like to see a 5 year copyright term on software (20 years might be more appropriate for other media). I've public-domained my five year old stuff anyway.
  • by Kamokazi ( 1080091 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:21PM (#24721147)

    I disagree. Years ago, when PCs cost a hell of a lot more, you actually got full versions of MS Office on your computer, along with a licensed copy of Windows. People building their own systems have pretty much always been in the minority (except a loooong time ago), and pre-built systems from any major manufacturer have always had licensed copies of Windows.

    Office stays popular among consumers today probably due to piracy. How many people do you think actually paid $500 for Office Pro? Heck how many paid $150 for Student and Teacher edition? Disks get shared around, borrowed from work or school volume licenses, etc. I would say businesses, in general, pay for most of thier copies of Office, and always have.

  • by Zero__Kelvin ( 151819 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @04:32PM (#24721241) Homepage
    U.S. law is based on the fact that it is better that ten guilty men go free than one goe to jail for a crime that he didn't commit. Clearly, the government loves murderers!

    (caveat: in theory; in practice District Attorneys, and other prosecutors, are more than happy to convict people of crimes they know damn well the defendant didn't commit to further their own agenda(s). In theory, theory always works. In practice it often doesn't.)
  • Re:What a secret! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bert64 ( 520050 ) <bert AT slashdot DOT firenzee DOT com> on Saturday August 23, 2008 @06:12PM (#24722039) Homepage

    PC games were pirated too, just as much if not more than Amiga games...
    There were still plenty of games coming out, they just weren't as good as other platforms any more... The other platforms had caught up and surpassed the Amiga. Piracy had very little to do with it, although the rampant anti-piracy brigade did a lot to drive what few Amiga users had internet access away from the platform....

    Pay for a TCP stack...
    Pay for a (pretty crap) telnet client...
    Pay for a (massively inferior to other platforms) web browser...
    Pay for an IRC client

    I mean come on, what other platform did quite so much to discourage uptake of the internet? And if you did pirate any of those apps, you could expect to be shunned from any amiga related forums.
    The IRC client especially had a backdoor allowing people to see if it was pirated or not, if you went on irc to an amiga related channel with a pirated client you would get banned.

    I recently tried setting up an old amiga i had in my loft, i was unable to acquire any of the software aside from demo versions... Even if i was willing to pay for it, none of the sites which sold it are still up, the only versions available are crippleware which crash out after 30 minutes.

  • How easy one forgets (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MrShaggy ( 683273 ) <chris.anderson@NosPaM.hush.com> on Saturday August 23, 2008 @07:04PM (#24722351) Journal
    When Doom 2, and Quake was released John Carmach was happy that everyone was pirating the game. He felt joy in the fact that EVERYONE wanted to play HIS game. Not to mention the mad cash that they made after the fact. A lot of people would pay after trying it out. Not to mention some chip manufactures might have tried to include some form of DRM. I think that utimatly if that happened every one would just simply move to something else.
  • Lame logic (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hackingbear ( 988354 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @07:05PM (#24722353)
    Lame logic:
    • Traditional software is a product, not a service. (In the new software-as-service model, it is subscription which you pay continuously as you use.) You are like asking Toyota to release all its design and manufacturing process of Camry to public domain after 5 years of selling that model, or even asking them to allow anyone go into the production plant and make a car for himself, freely.
    • Once you acquired a software product, nobody asks you to buy new upgrade versions. It is the consumer who wants the latest and greatest. You are like asking the car maker to send you a new car each model year after you buy one at particular year.

    The only real difference between a software product and a hardware product like a car is that the "manufacturing plant" for software product usually costs about $1000 operable by a single person, whereas the one for car costs $1,000,000,000 and must be operated by a team of people.

    I'm always amused by the level of altruism of people in the software field -- to the point of idiotic -- no professionals in other fields are so eager to eliminate their competitive barriers.

  • by FishWithAHammer ( 957772 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @08:59PM (#24723063)

    Perhaps it's more obvious to me because I know some of them. ;-)

    And this might surprise you, but of the folks I know who work at Microsoft, I can't think of one who doesn't own a Mac and/or also run Linux. They take note of what works and adapt it.

    The people who say "OMG, Windows is unusable, GNOME is so awesome," etc. etc., are doing more harm to their cause than good. The majority of people who claim that GNOME, KDE, or whatever else is great are generally just used to its failings. (I'm including myself in this; for a long time I held up KDE as being absolutely awesome. Then I went back to Windows and realized that both have pluses and minuses, and both have very stark minuses when compared to the other.) The negatives matter far more than the positives, and the developers need to see those negatives because blowjobs over the positives don't improve the product.

  • by GaryPatterson ( 852699 ) on Saturday August 23, 2008 @09:40PM (#24723247)

    My wife and I, when we combined our CD collection, realised that we had over 300 CDs, with only a handful of duplicates. Our DVD collection is perhaps only 100 or so.

    We easily have > 500GB (depending on encoding quality) of media, and I can point to physical discs we've encoded from.

    Now maybe it did cost $6000, although I'd say it was far less, but over 20 years of collecting music and stuff, I'd be surprised if by age 35 anyone buying an iPod could *not* fill it with their own stuff. Before we combined I had 30GB of music from my CD collection.

    Don't buy into Steve Ballmer's line about iPods being full of pirated material.

  • Re:What a secret! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Ilgaz ( 86384 ) on Sunday August 24, 2008 @02:45AM (#24724471) Homepage

    and sadly, people still pirate $10 cell phone games, software which takes huge amount of work compared to Windows or even OS X. Even more sad? They are running them on $500 smart phones. So there comes DRM, accepted evil being such a de facto standard that I have 3 separate DRM frameworks on my smart phone running Symbian.

  • by plasmacutter ( 901737 ) on Sunday August 24, 2008 @01:22PM (#24727261)

    That's bullhockey.

    You can buy an osx capable first gen intel macbook for 500 bucks off ebay.

    You don't have to join anything. Their dev tools are free and their documentation is open on their website and available through onboard files.

    You don't even have to use apple's SDK either, you can just use the interface builder and link it to a pure posix backend.

    I think you're a consultant alright, and i think your primary employer is microsoft. That's the only way i can conceivably think anyone would put out that much blatant FUD.

    You want to know what it cost my friend to start developing small finished apps on osx? 30 bucks for a book to learn objective c, and that's it!

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