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"E For All" Game Expo Withers, PAX Thrives 64

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from the supply-and-demand dept.
After the continued struggles of E3 this year, it looks like another IDG-based games conference will have its own troubles. BigDownload reports that most major game manufacturers are skipping E For All, in part due to their focus on the upcoming Penny Arcade Expo (PAX) and BlizzCon (which will be televised). E for All will have major presentations by Microsoft and EA, but you'll have to go to PAX to see events and exhibits from other big publishers; for example, the playable Jumpgate Evolution demo, the Guild Wars tournament, or the Omegathon. The Seattle Times ran a story about Penny Arcade's creators and how PAX came into existence. Further competition for E For All is coming from the Tokyo Game Show, which runs in the beginning of October.
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"E For All" Game Expo Withers, PAX Thrives

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  • by Sethus (609631) on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @04:36PM (#24756827)
    There is so much truth to this. I went to PAX for the first time last year (and I'm going again this year, driving down to Houston from Dallas, and flying up) and the thing that struck me was how they don't sell games there. They showcase all these awesome games and you really get your consumer head going; but the total lack of stores there makes you realize; hey this is a Con for people who just love gaming.

    Will Wheaton gave an excellent Keynote last year (and hopefully he's there again this year and I can have a chance to play some Smash or something with him) but really brought together my floating thoughts what it means to be a social gamer. In some ways it's simply parallel play, but PAX is about getting together with your best friends, going to have a blast and enjoy everything about gaming.

    I'm no wordsmith, but this article comes as no huge surprise to me; PAX is awesome (and hopefully it continues to be).
  • by tepples (727027) <<tepples> <at> <>> on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @05:09PM (#24757157) Homepage Journal

    Did anyone else notice that many of the sound effects in Jumpgate appear to have been ripped from the first season of Babylon 5.

    And a lot of games use the "pneumatic door open/close" sound effects from id Software's Doom.

    I wonder if they ever got in trouble for that.

    Probably not. I'd start by assuming good faith and guess that Jumpgate and B5 just happened to license the same stock sound effects library.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @05:19PM (#24757253)

    It could be Babylon 5 got them from some pack of stock sound effects, rather than make their own. Not that uncommon, actually. I know there's one distinctive "holstering pistol" sound effect that's been used in a few older (98-2000) games and more TV shows than I can remember.

  • by Bieeanda (961632) on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @05:25PM (#24757293)
    E for Everyone eradicated a lot of goodwill the other year, when it had people wandering around outside PAX with televisions shoved up their shirts, handing out E4E advertising crap. Their chief organizer's smarmy attitude, an 'Oh, we didn't realize that this other little con was going on' probably damaged a lot of what was left.

    I still love how PAX's would-be competitors just don't get it, like there's some kind of Feng Shui about their display rooms that draws fans, instead of not being treated like a walking wallet with a desperate libido.

  • by MoFoQ (584566) on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @05:26PM (#24757297)

    It's not PAX's fault that E for All is failing.
    Just think of just the name "E for All" sounds so.....cheesy (for lack of a better term).
    (plus there's that dreaded drug reference in the name....not so good for the public image).

    anyways...the last good "E"-anything conference (formerly "E3") was the one in 2005 before they started instituting just stupid rules for a conference; they banned booth babes [].

    Then in 2006, attendance numbers were less than previous years and they announced that the 2007 E3 would be "downsized". (nail in coffin)

    They tried to salvage it by spinning off the "non-invite only" conference as "E for All" but the damage was done. By then PAX was gaining lots of the price was right. It had a bigger attendance numbers and wider range for its attendance demographics.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @06:50PM (#24758125)

    That'll bring the kids in, right? Right?

    I did have to laugh that PAX promised that fatal1ty wouldn't be there [] -- I think it's clear which convention understands their market.

  • by ElectricTurtle (1171201) on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @10:21PM (#24760145)
    Have you even been to PAX? Ever met Jerry and Mike (Tycho and Gabe)? There's going to be an East Coast PAX because metric ftons of people begged on their knees for it. It will have all the same features for what I would wager will be the same cost. How is that profiteering? Sources on the inside of PA Inc. have said that at their current, dirt-cheap ticket price they only about break even. I don't see how doing the same thing in another place that other people have requested is somehow magically sleazy. There's no sound ethical rationale for that.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @10:42PM (#24760381)

    There's going to be an East Coast PAX because metric ftons of people begged on their knees for it.

    And there you have it. They're doing PAX currently because its fun. They'd be doing PAX east because there is demand for it.

    The best you can hope for it PAX east to be a shadow of the real PAX and the real PAX will be completely unaffected.

    That's highly unlikely, what's much more likely is that the real PAX will suffer while PAX east will simply have none of the things that make PAX what it is: no concerts, no developers, no point.

    There are already plenty of conventions on the east coast, but there's a reason all the big conventions (ComicCon, PAX, BlizzCon) are on the west coast. Hell, even "E For All" is on the west coast.

    PAX east is doomed to fail, and the best we can hope is that it doesn't take PAX with it.

  • by NevermindPhreak (568683) on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @11:08PM (#24760641)

    Why don't we just try it out once, and see if it's something that would be good to do again.

    You know, kinda like they did with the first PAX?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, 2008 @11:20PM (#24760713)

    Because there already are east coast conventions?

    There are two other east coast game conventions mentioned in this thread. There's no need to stretch the PAX organizers (and I don't just mean Gabe and Tycho) thin just to get Penny Arcade in the name.

  • by ElectricTurtle (1171201) on Wednesday August 27, 2008 @12:47AM (#24761329)
    I think you're afraid that PAX East will kick the ass of everything over there right now. Might your name be Ed Fleming?

    No concerts and no developers? What are you smoking? What sound, rational basis do you have for believing that PA Inc. would abandon all the things that have made the PAX model a success in the first place? Robert Khoo has already said the developers are not only on board, they were a force in bringing this about. Perhaps you forget about the East Coast game companies like Firaxis?

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