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America's Army As a High School Education Platform? 133

GamePolitics reports on a recent press release from the US Army which says they will be partnering with various military, education, and non-profit organizations to bring an education curriculum to high school students via America's Army. Quoting the press release: "The partnership ... will incorporate Army technology, gaming and simulation resources to enhance student achievement in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. The platform for the new curriculum is the America's Army PC game, a free online game that provides civilians with a virtual role in the US Army by introducing them to Army technologies, Rules of Engagement, training and missions. Used as a communications tool, the game has also been adapted for use within the military to produce effective and engaging virtual environments that enhance Soldier training in a number of areas including force protection, convoy survivability and nuclear, chemical and biological detection."
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America's Army As a High School Education Platform?

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  • by subl33t ( 739983 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @01:41PM (#25094453)

    Lessons on how to obey without question.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  • by FrostDust ( 1009075 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @02:32PM (#25095037)
    It sounds to me like they're modding the America's Army game to make physics simulators for students to try out, and maybe increase their interest in science or engineering. It's probably cheaper for the government to do this than to develop a whole new system that incorporates many of the same features AA already uses. Just because the programs are based off of a popular shooting game doesn't mean 15 year olds are going to be playing military shooters in school (although I'm sure many of them have no qualms over playing Halo, CoD, or Tom Clancy games). Likewise, playing a game based on the Unreal or Source engine doesn't necessarily mean you're playing a FPS.
  • by Aurisor ( 932566 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @02:58PM (#25095329) Homepage

    He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
    contempt.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21, 2008 @03:06PM (#25095417)

    Is this really a problem? Aren't we all smart/mature enough to not turn into soldiers because of a Army math problem?

    How many of you protesting this idea also think there should not be restrictions on violent video games because they don't really influence behavior?

    You can't have it both ways.

  • by morari ( 1080535 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @03:40PM (#25095837) Journal

    Not too different than what is taught in school anyway. This is just more overtly propaganda.

  • by Daimanta ( 1140543 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @03:49PM (#25095925) Journal

    Sounds like a good idea but personally I am against it. It is a disease of the modern society that everything you do has to be fun. If you make everything "fun", people will be more likely to refuse doing something because it lacks fun. People need do things because they need to do things. You need to learn how to calculate if you want to do anything that involves numbers(like filling in your tax papers). Having the knowledge should be its own reward.

    Note, I didn't post this because it is fun, I posted it because I felt like I needed to respond to you.

  • by the linux geek ( 799780 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @05:49PM (#25097045)
    I remain mystefied as to the origin of the "illegal war" argument. Congress authorized the President to invade and occupy Iraq in accordance with the War Powers Act of 1973 - how is that illegal? Not even the UN has challenged the legality of the US presence in Iraq.
  • by JonathanBoyd ( 644397 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @05:51PM (#25097065) Homepage

    Jack Thompson accuses games of corrupting our youth: results in moral indignation from Slashdot, saying that games don't turn anyone into anytihng.

    Schools mod America's Army for educational purposes: results in moral indignation from Slashdot, saying that the military is using games to brainwash people.

    Don't know if any individuals hold to both views, but it's interesting how these seem to be vocal opinions.

  • by Kagura ( 843695 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @05:55PM (#25097107)
    An illegal order is something like "Shoot this prisoner we just captured. I don't want to fucking bring along extra baggage for 24 hours until we can get him to the rear." These kinds of orders are rare enough that most people go their entire enlistment without coming upon an illegal order.

    Most people in the Army are not crazy and are reasonably well-natured enough that stuff that falls into the category of "illegal orders" are very uncommon.
  • by LingNoi ( 1066278 ) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @06:04PM (#25097183)

    The first educational module will be incorporated into the PLTW Principles of Engineering course. Students will use the America's Army gaming technology to explore kinematics in a ballistics project. They will be able to test the accuracy of their calculations in the virtual environment to observe how different variables such as displacement, time, velocity and elevation angles affect the principles of engineering.

    ROFL! Please tell me this is some kind of joke. The guy is saying that kids will get better at shooting in the AA FPS..

  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @08:14AM (#25102199) Homepage Journal

    Well, let's get out of the realm of the abstract for a moment. Anybody who is reasonably educated knows that an order to do something illegal, say to murder a prisoner, is not valid. So you don't have to feel so injured by misunderstanding. There's always going to be a few or course.

    On the other hand, the principle that soldiers should not obey an illegal order is really only good as the ability of a soldier to distinguish between legal and illegal. There isn't always a clear line, say between legal, aggressive interrogation techniques and illegal torture. One of the benefits of ROTC is, hopefully, and officer corps with greater critical thinking skills. Still, by in large troops and the officers who lead them are not lawyers, they have to use their ethical common sense to get them through dilemmas.

    The real danger when you give a man a lethal weapon and put him under orders is not particular to the military. It is group think. And don't say that isn't a problem. Every military person I have talked to has plenty of stories of bureaucratic pigheadedness on a massive scale.

    I have known many military people over the years, and one thing that I think is fair to say is that good soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors have a can do attitude. That contributes to the both the dynamism and dysfunction of the military. Survival may trump that, but the first response to an order to take a fortified position is to view it as a solvable problem. This takes an implicit trust in the competence and judgment of your superiors, and that habit means going along with things you know are damnably stupid -- so long as they aren't illegal or immediately fatal.

    Trust and a willingness to go along with anything short of illegality are good things in a soldier, but bad things in a citizen and especially a civilian leader. A good citizen has to question the competence and judgment of the leadership. When political mistakes reach the military, it's too late to question. One military saying I've heard is that shit rolls downhill, and it's the military's job to deal with the politicians' shit. A politician's ought to avoid handing the shit down to the military by being skeptical.

    Skepticism is not a military virtue, which is not to say anything negative about military service. No profession is the beginning and end of all virtues. One of the problems I see of certain political viewpoints is that they like to promote the military as the entire repository of American virtue because obedience or rather willingness to get behind the mission, is so useful to them.

    Look at Colin Powell, a great soldier, a top notch military leader, and a bad Secretary of State. He brought his military values of duty and loyalty into the job, and ended up being a catspaw. It wasn't that he accepted an order to lie; he accepted the mission he was given and took ownership of it, the way good soldiers do. It made him both useful and an object of scorn within the administration. By giving his superiors more than they deserved, he gave his true masters less.

  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @09:47AM (#25103237) Homepage Journal

    Actually that is fair statment. Soldiers of free country march not out of joy but out of duty. They understand that they are sacrificing so others can be protected. They take pride is service and not out of the shear glory of military service.

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