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New Nintendo DS to Include Camera, Music 261

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the and-it-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand dept.
BobB-nw writes "Watch out Apple, here comes Nintendo. Nintendo plans to launch a new version of its popular DS portable gaming device with a camera and music player function, according to a report in the Sunday edition of The Nikkei Business Daily. The new version will have better wireless capability for connecting to the Internet and will cost under $189, the report said. It will be offered first in Japan, it said. The DS first went on sale in 2004, and a second version, called the DS Lite, debuted two years later in 2006. Both have sold extremely well, with worldwide sales of the DS products at 77.5 million units as of the end of June this year."
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New Nintendo DS to Include Camera, Music

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  • by Aetuneo (1130295) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:06AM (#25193327) Homepage
    Any piece of technology will advance until it has an MP3 player function. This includes household appliances, and, apparently, the DS.
  • by AKAImBatman (238306) * <akaimbatman@gma i l . c om> on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:08AM (#25193339) Homepage Journal

    Calling the new DS "Gameboy DS" is incorrect. The GameBoy line of portables ended with the GameBoy Advance. The DS is known simply as the "Nintendo DS".

    • by Ironchew (1069966) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:29AM (#25193571)

      They threw Game Boy Advance backwards compatibility in there, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a Game Boy (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

      • by tepples (727027) <tepples@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:46AM (#25193705) Homepage Journal

        They threw Game Boy Advance backwards compatibility in there, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a Game Boy (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

        When the Nintendo GameCube was priced at $149.xx, some units were shipped with an accessory that ran Game Boy Advance games. Yet it was still called a GameCube.

      • by Bagels (676159) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:49AM (#25193753)
        Actually, it makes perfect sense. They wanted to distance themselves from the old brand - just by dint of the name, GameBoy has connotations of a (male) child's toy. The DS has seen success in much broader markets, just as the Wii has, and at least some fraction of that is due to the more approachable branding. Yes, people really do get hung up on names that much.

        They threw the backwards compatibility in simply because it was convenient (the DS has an ARM7 processor that can be clocked down to behave identical to GBA hardware) and because the folks who actually care about such compatibility will know to look for it. Amusingly enough, Slashdot is the only site that I've ever seen confuse the name of the system... this isn't the first time they've done it.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          They wanted to distance themselves from the old brand - just by dint of the name, GameBoy has connotations of a (male) child's toy.

          Or they wanted to protect the "Gameboy" brand from the (then) threat of Sony's PSP with what they called the "third pillar" [kombo.com], a handheld with gimmicks like two screens, touch sensitivity, and a microphone. Only after DS exceeded all expectations ("It prints money!") did they let the Gameboy line quietly die.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by gfxguy (98788)

          GameBoy has connotations of a (male) child's toy.

          I know you're right, but when my son upgraded to a DS he let us take his GBA; I replaced the cover with a pink one we ordered off ebay (and a new battery, as well), and gave it my daughter as a "GameGirl."

      • They threw GameCube backwards compatibility in on the Wii, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a GameCube (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by philspear (1142299)

        They threw Game Boy Advance backwards compatibility in there, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a Game Boy (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

        Calling their console the "wii" shows nintendo has some odd ideas about names.

    • by poot_rootbeer (188613) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:47AM (#25193711)

      The GameBoy line of portables ended with the GameBoy Advance.

      GameBoy Advance begat GameBoy Advance SP, which begat GameBoy Micro...

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Enderandrew (866215)

      Actually the Gameboy Micro was the last Gameboy.

    • by Abreu (173023)

      I know people who call the PSP a "gameboy", so it shouldn't surprise you.

  • I'm disappointed.

    • Ha ha only serious. The cell phones I've had seem to be poorly-thought-out portable game consoles with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. If Nintendo made a game console with a phone added in, at least the gaming part wouldn't suck.

  • I wonder if... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Darundal (891860) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:09AM (#25193365) Journal
    ...the camera will be useful for any games? Something along the lines of how it was used with some Gizmondo games, or that weird card game with the PS2 EyeToy? And what about the media player functionality? Could this herald the appearance of games like Audiosurf, games that react to the music playing, on the DS?
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Xs1t0ry (1247414)
      There's definitely going to be a cutesy app where you can scribble on photos and give yourself anime eyes and stuff... just what the world needs.
  • by Millennium (2451) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:10AM (#25193373) Homepage

    Nintendo has generally been about not bloating its systems in the past. Why would they release a new DS with all this crap while it's still going strong?

    • by Ngarrang (1023425)

      Nintendo has generally been about not bloating its systems in the past. Why would they release a new DS with all this crap while it's still going strong?

      Because it will make them trillions of more yen?

      What if Nintendo has the expertise to add the new functions without ruining the existing game-play features? And there is also a chance it won't be called a "DS" and will be a new product line that won't affect the game-players.

      • by Millennium (2451)

        Because it will make them trillions of more yen?

        Probably not, actually. DS units are still selling out, and Nintendo cannot sell a DS that it has not yet built.

        What if Nintendo has the expertise to add the new functions without ruining the existing game-play features?

        If it were entirely in Nintendo's hands that would be one thing, but it's not. Give third parties even the slightest chance to take the easy way out over putting in the effort to make quality games, and they'll take that way out every time.

        And

      • by sapphire wyvern (1153271) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:46AM (#25193701)

        If it has WPA support, I'll be upgrading my current DS the day that I can. I haven't yet used the online mode because I don't want to downgrade the security on my AP to WEP.

        • by tzhuge (1031302) on Monday September 29, 2008 @10:14AM (#25194043)
          I bought the little Nintendo WiFi USB adapter [wikipedia.org] for this exact reason. I can just plug it in when I want to use my DS online, and pull it out once I'm done.
          • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

            by mallow95 (1369047)
            The only problem is that the USB adapter is a PITA to use. It has some strange dependence on Internet Connection Sharing, and its auto-magic configuration means you can't troubleshoot it.
  • by XxtraLarGe (551297) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:11AM (#25193387) Journal
    I own both a DS Lite & an iPod Touch (1st gen). I enjoy both of them, though I have been getting a lot more use out of my iPod Touch in the last month or so. Most DS games have music, so I really don't see myself listening to different music while playing a game on the DS. Likewise, unless the DS will include an address book, calendar, e-mail, scientific calculator and web browser on board, plus the ability to sync with my computer & download free apps wirelessly, Apple has nothing to worry about.
    • DSOrganize much? (Score:5, Informative)

      by tepples (727027) <tepples@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:17AM (#25193445) Homepage Journal

      Most DS games have music, so I really don't see myself listening to different music while playing a game on the DS. Likewise, unless the DS will include an address book, calendar, e-mail, scientific calculator and web browser on board

      You just described the feature set of DSOrganize 3.1129, a very popular homebrew application for the Nintendo DS.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by pandrijeczko (588093)

        Remember, he's using a totally locked down Apple device - you might want to explain the concept of "homebrew" to him.

      • You just described the feature set of DSOrganize 3.1129, a very popular homebrew application for the Nintendo DS.

        I appreciate the DS homebrew scene, but it's still not enough. I'd like to have these things on board the unit, not on a separate card I have to swap out with games. I can play a game on my iPod Touch, hit the home button and go right back into my other info. So still, until Nintendo includes these things on board, it's almost a completely different market than Apple.

        • by Chyeld (713439)

          Arr matey, you can do all that on one card depending on the flag you fly.

          Kidding aside, though my card doesn't support commercial roms, the one thing that has tempted me in getting one that can is having all the games I own on one 2 gig card.

  • by Scutter (18425)

    When the DS Lite was introduced, the supply of aftermarket accessories for the DS dried up completely. I wonder if the same thing will happen to DS Lite accessories. It would make sense as it will help to drive sales for this new hardware release.

  • Better wireless? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chris Pimlott (16212) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:16AM (#25193439)

    Hopefully that means WPA capability (finally...)

    • WPA (Score:3, Informative)

      by tepples (727027)

      Hopefully that means WPA capability (finally...)

      Probably not to existing games. WPA would need driver support, and the Wi-Fi driver is part of the game, not the DS firmware.

      But in my opinion, WEP + MAC filtering is good enough. It won't prevent everyone from breaking into your network, but it still establishes an attacker's intent [wikipedia.org] to break into your network and diverts wardrivers to your neighbor's open network.

      • Are you sure it's not part of the firmware? There's obviously some bits and bobs that exist outside of the game (hence why WFC settings persist from game to game)...
        • by tepples (727027)

          There's obviously some bits and bobs that exist outside of the game (hence why WFC settings persist from game to game)

          This area of the firmware contains only settings, not code. The only Wi-Fi-related code in the DS firmware is code for the ad-hoc protocols used by PictoChat and DS Download Play, which don't use WEP or WPA.

          • by tlhIngan (30335)

            This area of the firmware contains only settings, not code. The only Wi-Fi-related code in the DS firmware is code for the ad-hoc protocols used by PictoChat and DS Download Play, which don't use WEP or WPA.

            That's actually in some battery-backed up SRAM - remove the battery and you'll see your DS reset to defaults (a good way to clear it before selling it).

            There are several parts of the wifi puzzle. The first is the WiFi driver itself, which is probably in DS ROM since it's needed by ROM based utilities. Th

  • by alvinrod (889928) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:24AM (#25193527)

    I think most of us saw this one coming, but the article is completely devoid of any information. First it's still just speculation that this is going to be the new announcement. For all any of us know it could be another new device to interact with the Wii. The only evidence the article even presents is that another news publication carried the rumor yesterday.

    There's no mention of how they're going to add music and make it easy to put music on the device. There's no details on the camera either or even if the physical dimensions of the DS are going to be further reduced. Wouldn't it have been better to wait until Thursday when the product is actually announced and all of the details are released?

    I don't mind a little speculation, but this had absolutely no substance to it at all. It's just a rumor repeated from another publication without anything of value added. Without the rest of the fluff about sales figures and release dates this article would have been one or two lines at most. What a complete waste of time.

  • Gameboy DS? (Score:5, Funny)

    by dancingmad (128588) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:25AM (#25193531)

    taco, you sound like my mother.

  • To be honest... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gfxguy (98788) on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:26AM (#25193549)

    I'd like to see more productivity apps for the DS. My son cracked the case of his DS, and I tried fixing it with a new case. It worked, but I guess I didn't plug in the secondary video cable too well because it acts all wonky sometimes; so I got him a new one and kept the old one for myself.

    But I don't use it at all (it's stable when you are... it'd go wonky in the car when we hit a bump or something). I don't have any electronic organizers or anything, so I'd really like to see some productivity apps for it. I mean, it's got wifi and everything built in, it seems you should be able to do email, address books, calendars...

    I know there is a homebrew group of people who are working on such things, but it seems like another giant pain. I don't have time to tinker. It's odd that Nintendo didn't see fit to release something along those lines themselves.

    • Re:To be honest... (Score:5, Informative)

      by tepples (727027) <tepples@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Monday September 29, 2008 @09:32AM (#25193597) Homepage Journal

      I know there is a homebrew group of people who are working on such things, but it seems like another giant pain. I don't have time to tinker.

      You don't have to tinker much to run homebrew:

      1. Go to dealextreme.com or another online electronics store carrying DS homebrew accessories.
      2. Buy a CycloDS Evolution, M3 Real, or other microSD-to-DS adapter. These are the size of a DS Game Card, and they usually come bundled with a microSD writer. You'll also need to buy a 2 GB microSD card.
      3. Download homebrew apps and unzip them to the microSD card.
      4. Put the microSD card in the DS adapter, put the adapter in the DS, and power on.

      As far as anyone can tell, this rumored product is Nintendo's attempt to kill the market for microSD adapters that are also capable of running unlawful copies of DS games.

      • by gfxguy (98788)

        Wow. This is one of the reasons I still read slashdot... despite the crappy signal to noise ratio, I learn cool stuff like this.

        Judging by the other responses, can I assume the apps will use the card itself for storage?

        • by tepples (727027)

          can I assume the apps will use the card itself for storage?

          Yes. DS homebrew programs that use libfat [drunkencoders.com] can read and write the FAT16 or FAT32 file system on the microSD card inside the adapter using C standard library calls (fopen family). But if you buy an SD card bigger than 2 GB, you'll have to buy an adapter that supports SDHC.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by orielbean (936271)
          Yes, the CycloDS which I have will let you store everything on the microsd card that inserts into the DS Slot1 card. The homebrew card is the shape of a regular DS game with a little slot on it for the removable microsd. The card is like 50 bucks, and you also need to provide your own microsd (8 gig is like 30-40 bucks I think). Really easy to use, no friggin firmware flashing or hacking required. Plug and play in every sense of the word. Will also store your backup roms if you've made backups of your DS g
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by crimson30 (172250)

        With an M3 Real you can use microSDHC cards. I have just over 60 games on mine and that takes up 2.89 GB. If I didn't have a 6GB card, I'd have to cut a lot and wouldn't have much room for music and movies OR I'd have to have a bunch of cards to swap around.

        I'd recommend at least 6GB if you want to stick something in there and not have to bother with swapping the card (mine is a little finicky and I have to reseat it a couple times for any swap, so I don't care to do it if I don't have to).

    • I'd love to see some more language learning apps. The platform is perfect for that kind of thing. Unfortunately, the only ones I've seen are horrible--there are only three languages available (AFAIK) and in the one I bought (French) I've already spotted numerous errors in the first few lessons I've done (had a couple years of French in college). The concept is solid, though, and the interaction using the stylus is perfect.

  • When will this be released in Japan? I'll be flying through Tokyo in November and the Narita Airport has a huge number of stores. I'm sure one of them will be carrying this thing.

    • by abigsmurf (919188)
      That's actually a lot different to their standard denial.

      For one thing it's carefully worded so that there won't be egg on the PR guy's face if it is announced. The biggest suspicious thing about that though, is that Nintendo's denials are almost always "Nintendo doesn't comment on rumours and speculation".

  • The 'larger screened' DS has been rumoured for over a year. Long rumoured Nintendo products almost always turn out to be true (look at the Ultra 64, Dolphin, Revolution, Nitro product codes for proof).

    Nintendo DS sales are starting to slow (the PSP has gained popularity over it) and Nintendo always announce successors to handhelds just after they've peaked (DS was announced when the GBA was going strong). The graphics on the DS have long since peaked, developers really aren't able to squeeze any more out

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