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The Almighty Buck Entertainment Games

Using Money As Incentive For Competition On Consoles? 40

Posted by Soulskill
from the or-is-it-just-gambling dept.
MTV's Multiplayer blog reports on a company about to start offering a service that will allow players to compete in matches and tournaments over their PS2, PS3, or Xbox 360 with real money as a prize. Doing so will, of course, require entry fees, but the contests are set up and opted into by the players themselves. Quoting: "To prevent cheating, the company has access to the game data and promises a knowledgeable in-house customer support team. There's also a reputation and feedback system, which Levy compared to eBay, that will allow gamers to make informed decisions about who they're playing against. ... [Company co-founder Billy Levy] ultimately thinks World Gaming will open up the field for gamers who want to make money from games but can't make it to live competitions due to the expense or having to take time off from work or school.
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Using Money As Incentive For Competition On Consoles?

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    What's going to kill this idea first? Laws on gambling? Tax revenue at the state or federal level?

    Not a good idea. Stick to prizes.

    • Why? It seems to be a model that works well for Golden Tee [goldentee.com].
      • but some Laws have shut down games is some areas I have hear of places with stern pinball tops that got shut down by law and that is Local only.

        This will go across state lines and maybe even us borders.

        Will you have to use western union to fund this like you do with on line sports books / poker sites?

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Fluffeh (1273756)
      I dare say none of those three.

      It's not gambling - unless they try to add gambling on outcomes by non participants, which I think would be very unlikely, and the article gave no mention of this.

      Tax revenue could possibly do it, but given the steady flow of money into the events through players, they should be able to keep local taxes paid if needed.

      Federal Revenue, possibly but also unlikely, see above.

      If you ask me, what's going to kill this is getting people to play for real money.

      Thnk abou
  • by GrpA (691294) on Monday October 06, 2008 @10:48PM (#25280845)

    People have been trying to stop cheats for years. It's damn annoying on a MP game when you keep getting headshot through a mountain, by a pistol every few minutes.

    And those cheats aren't even inspired by money - just their own motivation to be assholes.

    So put real money into it and watch what happens... The cheating will go hightech no matter what they do.

    Think "Dogfight" in William Gibson's "Burning Chrome" Anthology.

    Someone will always find a way to cheat, and who want to put up cash to let the h4x0r2 screw up your game and take it?

    GrpA.

    • by corsec67 (627446)

      Yep, and some kind of cheating rely on packet sniffing, so there is nothing that they could get from the "system ram" to show that the person is cheating.

      Imagine a second computer with a radar screen in a FPS, etc.

    • I don't think the company would care too much about cheating. As long as people pay a fee to enter they make money. Microsoft and Sony will be the ones that will most likely try to shut this down.
      • by jasonjas (774456)
        If everybody cheated then the non-cheaters would simply just not enter the competition anymore after the first year. That would kill the company too.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Catil (1063380) *
      Agreed. Feeling cheated in various online FPS games, I wrote some cheats myself for research purposes to see how hard it really was and if it was even worth my time playing those games competitive in an online gaming league.
      Although that was several years ago and the game and anti-cheat programs have been updated many many times, the majority of my old cheats will still work while some of them would need a simple adjustment of two lines of code to make them work again. That's because I didn't even bother b
  • ultimately thinks World Gaming will open up the field for gamers who want to make money from games but can't make it to live competitions due to the expense or having to take time off from work or school.

    Here's a metric: If you can't make enough money from gaming to take the occasional vacation from work or school, then you're not good enough, and should not get a handout.

    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      No one is handing anything out, it just seems like an online poker alternative, except you get to play an fps instead of using cards.

    • Yah, because only professionals should get to compete for cash, etc. For that matter, lets do away with all just lower level competition altogether. First to go, the Olympics.

    • by Fluffeh (1273756)
      It's not a handout. It's more an A grade league for the top end, and a "Little League" for the kiddies with some small cash prizes derived off entry fees.
  • How will they handle lag / disconnect protection? So people with a good ping can't get a leg up on people with higher pings?

    Will they have disconnect / time out protection?

    Game / system crash protection?

    Will you need to pay for live + per game fee + World Gaming fee + more?

  • Chances are that a contest that you must pay to enter and that gives out money as a prize will be considered as gambling by most countries.
    That's going to get them in a lot of trouble.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by NoName6272 (1376401)
      Well, carnival games are gambling as well; you pay money, to play a game, to win a prize, with uncertain outcome. That is basically the definition of gambling.
      I mean look at WoW, they had a tournament (a few people I know couldn't shut up about it...) awhile ago, and there was an entry fee. Since that was world wide as well, am guessing this will sneak through one of those loop holes or technicalities that we all so love.
      Either way, if they can't control cheating, then it will die. If they can (and I mean
    • Not in that many places and certainly not in Europe. It's a grey area in America. Perhaps they'll decided there's more skill to this than poker, who knows?
    • by Icarium (1109647)

      Odd. There are all kinds of sporting and recreational tournaments that require an entry fee and have prizes consisting of, or at least including, cash. I've never seen my local chess club being accused of organising gambling even though they hold several such tournaments a year...

  • Three words: (Score:3, Informative)

    by David Gerard (12369) <slashdotNO@SPAMdavidgerard.co.uk> on Tuesday October 07, 2008 @02:11AM (#25282281) Homepage

    Trusted client problem.

    Imagine the creativity that will be applied to hacking consoles with actual money - any actual money whatsoever - as an incentive. You thought bot runners were bad on PC games? Look at online poker.

  • "Company offering a service" ... "incentive to competition"? Oh please, get real....

    It's a commercial company that wants to make money and has come up with a business model to make lots out of daft gamers. Does this company have charitable organisation or non-profit cooperative status? I'd guess not. I don't see "service" or "public good" as part of their agenda.

    It's just a straight-down the line business model. People pay to compete, the company pays out a percentage of the entrance fees and keeps the rest

    • by ethanms (319039)

      Umm... it's not a public service, and they didn't say it was... you seem to have taken that leap all on your own...

      It's just like any other gambling organization... they pay out some fraction of what they take in, the remaining fraction is their income... as a player you hope you're one of the small minority of who walks out with more money then they walked in with, and the ones who walk out with much less will console themselves by saying how it was fun to play, and they enjoyed the free buffet.

      Sounds like

  • Bring on the steroid scandals!
  • ...when I started work on my Halo playing robot... well who's laughing now???

  • With the stuff going on with the on-line poker cheating (UltimateBet), best to stay away from this too.

    "A fool and his money are soon parted."

  • Anyone ever heard of Skillgrounds? I borked around with them a couple years ago but got banned for reasons I shall not go into. Anyways, they end up taking 15% of the fees! and trust me, THEIR ANTI CHEAT DUDES ARE WATCHING YOU!

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