The summary doesn't mention it, but there are signs that they may announce a price drop for the PS3 at GamesCom as well. For example, they've doubled PS3 production since the cost of making the PS3 has dropped some 70% since launch, while Amazon reduced the cost of one of the 160GB bundles by around US$50. Probably won't be anywhere near Xbox360 levels though.
Yeah, don't price drops often coincide with "slim" versions? My impression is the slim versions of these things are a result of improved manufacturing of the chips and such, which often (though I suppose not necessarily) means that they're able to produce equivalently powerful chips more cheaply.
I'd be happy if they just made a flat-topped PS3, so I could stack other things on top of it.
Apparently Sony has been starving the supply chain for the PS3 for a month or so now in an effort to work through the old systems before announcing the new one. I'd also expect stores to offer deals on old fat PS3s "while supplies last" to get them out of the door.
Comparing the price of a base PS3 to XBox360 is quite frankly ridiculous. The extra features of the base machine offered is completely different, if you get the Xbox 360 with the addtional attachment cost included, comparing the cost would than be more realistic. I do think that the PS3 price need to come to but not necessarily down to 360's.
Yeah you can buy a 360 without the additional attachments, but if you do buy them, they are going to hose you with their proprietary hard drives and wireless adapters. If you end up spending $130 for a 120gb hard drive and $77 for a wireless adapter and the PS3 isn't really more expensive, plus you get free online play. I'm sure not everyone needs a blu ray player(well aware of the people who still insist that it barely looks better than a regular dvd), or wireless, and that xbox live is superior to PSN, but I think that for the average gamer there really isn't much of a price difference once you take everything into account.
Not sure why my original post is a troll though - I guess that it could offend someone, though I'm not sure who.
Because there's way too many gamers who, for whatever reason, seem to have tied their sense of self-worth to whichever gaming platform they've chosen. I've never understood that, and likely never will.
Myself, I don't want a cheaper, slimmed down PS3. I want a deluxe mode. I would likely pick up a new console if Sony would create a new PS3 with full hardware PS2 support. Yes, I already have a PS2, but I would love to be able to get rid of it and just play on the newer system. Oddly enough, my PS2 is still getting more gameplay time than my PS3 (I currently have a 20GB model) as I plow through a lot of the great older PS2 titles I missed (some JRPGs, Tales games, Ico & Shadows of the Colossus, etc).
It feels like Sony hasn't had a clear direction with their hardware for a long time. They keep changing models and reducing features (except HD space in later models). I guess this economy is more conducive to less expensive systems, so they felt they had to cost-reduce at the expense of features.
It's a perfectly valid comparison for price of entry (the only thing that matters to the vast majority of consumers). Also, this should be obvious, people buy products, and not feature lists.
people don't care, they see they can get an xbox360 for alot less than the ps3 they don't care that: ps3 can run normal software and browse internet, watch DVDs, etc ps3 on-line gaming is free ps3 controllers are bluetooth and can be used on computers ps3 has much better hardware ps3 games can contain much more content.'. better graphics about a million reasons that ps3 is technically better, all they see is xbox360 is cheaper+ everybody else has then+ more friends to play online against
Not really. They've both sold quite a bit (about 30 million 360's to 24 million PS3's), so it's not like EVERYONE is flocking to one console. you exaggerate.
I for one will not buy an Xbox 360 because they continue to fail and fry themselves. I'll save up for PlayStation 3.
And I'm honestly curious out of the 30 million 360 sales, how many were replacements for broken units? Everyone I know that has a 360 has replaced their unit at least once.
I replaced my PS3, but it wasn't a fault of the hardware. My daughter just filled the optical drive slot with pennies.
You misunderstood him. He's saying that while those might be true, people still go and buy the 360. Funny that you jumped right on his back, there. You're seeing Sony fanboys where there aren't any!
Furthermore, PSN isn't nearly as bad as you suggested (it was at launch, but firmware heals all wounds!), and the Playstation 3 can run Linux very easily.
I'm not a console fanboy. I buy all the consoles each generation. Let me debunk your FUD.
What do you mean by "normal software"? I agree that the PS3 can browse the Internet, but I'm not sure that's so useful. The Xbox 360 can play DVDs, too.
The PS3 can install Linux out of the box and can play BluRays. A BluRay player is still $200+, and $250+ for a decent one. Add $250 to the price of an XBox 360 and then tell me which is cheaper.
Xbox Live is far superior to the PS3 offering, and I pay only about $35/year. I don't *want* a free, crappy online experience.
XBox Live is better. I agree. But I prefer a free experience since I don't have 25+ hours a week to play my console online.
So? Why would I want to use my console controller on a PC?
I still play PC gaming, and I love the PS2/PS3 controllers. I don't have to buy separate PC controllers fo
After I bought a PS3 I did quite a bit of reading and the unanimous conclusion was that the XBox360 had superior hardware capabilities, and was also easier to develop for than the PS3.
Pound for pound, the XBox 360 would be the console to get if you wanted to concentrate on gaming. The PS3 has the Blu-ray capability going for it, among other things.
Comparing the price of a base PS3 to XBox360 is quite frankly ridiculous.
Features or not, they're both gaming platforms of the current generation with most of the same games. It's not like we're comparing a gameboy original to an alienware computer.
And we're talking about him wanting it or not. It's entirely up to him. If he didn't want it because it had a "P" in the name, that might sound ridiculous, but it's all the criteria he would need.
It all depends on what you want. The basic 360 has half a gig of Flash, like the Wii. That may not be ideal if you want to download XBLA games or demos, but is probably sufficient for saves, patches, and a bit of DLC.
The 360 doesn't have wireless, which can be a major problem if your console isn't near a network jack. But you may not need it if it's close enough to a router (my TV is next to my computer, so wireless would be overkill to get network connectivity 3 feet).
Unless it has PS2 game emulation, I have no reason whatsoever to upgrade to it from my 60GB model. A 60GB model which Yellow lighted and had to be repaired so I could save my saves. I'm still using the danm thing despite the imminent risk of another YLOD due solely to the fact that it plays PS2 games with upscaling. I don't want to go back to using a regular PS2 if I can help it. The difference is truly is like night and day.
If there's no PS2 backwards compatibility (and ffs PS1 game texture smoothing), I see no reason for prefering the model to the cheaper 80/160GBs.
I'm going to 2nd this one, except I'm not going to buy it for the first time unless they put the PS2 functionality back in. If I'm going to get a PS3, I want to replace my PS2 with it. I don't want to have to keep both around.
Which is the one I have as well. The first 2 PS3's, the 20GB and 60GB both played PS2 games and both had the complete hardware to do so. (Newer PS3 were missing one of the big chips but still could pull it off. Current systems don't have any of the old PS2 hardware which is why they arn't BC.)
Anyway I hope they put BC back in. (Either that or I hope my PS3 doesn't break as much as my 360.)
Ya, I have an original 60gb "120 now" that had the emoticon? chip and natively plays ps2 games just fine. For my part I own a Wii, 360, and PS3. PS3 is my media center that I game on the 360 is my kids machine that does most of what my ps3 does but also wants me to pay to play.
My son will never have a purchased live account until he's 12 or older so it kind of sucks that some multiplayer features and demos are blocked. "I have a 30 day live account card but I almost never play on his system so why use it?"
The only PS3s that have full PS2 BC are the original 20GB and 60GB. Some of the early 80GB versions had partial BC (they had the GPU in hardware but the CPU was emulated in software) but they didn't last long.
Being on my 5th 360 and still on my launch PS3 means that your situation might be considered anomalous,
The YLOD is an unfortunately common problem on the 60GB models apparently. Other models are more reliable. Unfortunately, the 60GB model was one of the last which supported backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. Yoy.
I don't know how the PS1 smoothing is on the newer models, though.
No PS3 has ever supported texture smoothing for PS1 titles. It has supported HD upscaling, but that's hardly the same thing.
Unless the price comes down to 360 levels. It's not like the PS3 has an exclusive I particularly want anyway.
Besides, this is just going to be another one of Sony's stupid box things that doesn't fucking do the thing it's goddamn fucking supposed to. Most of Sony's products are motherfucking time vampires anyway and are completely ass backwards as fuck, even if they do have more megabytes and megapixels than all the TV shit that I already have.
Yes, I shamelessly ripped off the ONN. [theonion.com]
You can get $100 off a PS3 by applying for the Playstation credit card. When I did it, they gave me $150 off the 80 GB model, but apparently that deal has since expired.
I won't buy a 360 due to the way MS treats the PC. It's not so much that they no longer release anything for the PC (although it's funny that Sony seems to make more games for MS fucking Windows than MS), that's their right. It's the sheer hypocrisy. The way they tout their efforts to "enhance" PC gaming while even their head honchos admit that they want to kill it because they have more control over the 360 - not to mention that they get their cut of every game sold. (see here [shacknews.com])
If you're a smug 360 owner and don't give a fsck about the PC then remember the fate of the original Xbox. Sony's keeping the PS2 around forever and they'll likely do the same with the PS3, you're still gonna get new games years after the PS4 launch. MS killed the Xbox immediatly after the 360 launch. Oh, they say it's gonna be different for the 360 because they don't have to pay intel and Nvidia etc etc, which brings us back to all the crap they spout about their support for PC games.
That's a good suggestion, and don't get me wrong, I love Wipeout. I just wouldn't buy a whole console for it.
Back when it was Squaresoft, Metal Gear and things like Tekken, I would have half considered it, but the number of games that are going cross-platform removes the need for me to own two.
I don't own a PS3, but there are a few exclusives I've enjoyed when hanging out at a friend's and a few upcoming ones that are making me tempted (although I'll probably get a 360 because I'm involved in game dev and my company wants to try to branch to consoles with our 3D engine):
Metal Gear Solid 4 (it's coming out on the 360, but I strongly doubt it'll look anywhere near as nice) Wipeout HD Uncharted and Uncharted 2 (I thought they were lame when they were first released, but they grow on you fast) Gran Turi
Take a look at Forza 2, or the upcoming Forza 3 if you want high fidelity in a racing console game. As I understand it, it models all the way down to the non-Newtonian physics level at the interaction between the tires and the road, with different interaction as the chemical compounds in the rubber heat across multiple levels. Any race sim that models the sheer angle (the twisting of the sidewalls in the tires during a hard cornering) and the weight of the drive shaft and flywheel with respect to how the
Seriously! I want to play the exclusives, like inFamous, Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone 2 and Ratchet and Clank. I really want a system. But $400 is way too much, no matter how many wonderful features are inside of it. I'll stick with my old PlayStation 2 until then.
There have been reports that the software emulaation works better, so I'm not sure we need the hardware emulation.
A price drop is a must. However, what many people weren't aware of is that Sony was doing a deal if you applied for the Playstation credit card, you got $150 off a PS3. When I purchased my second PS3, I did it through that deal and paid $250 for a PS3, which is the same price as a Wii, for an 80 GB model. That was a pretty good deal.
Even if the Slim materializes, I strongly believe that it will retail for the same price as the current PS3 (which may get a fire-sale price just to get rid of the things). Sony can't afford any other move with all the red ink they're bleeding; they need to start making money now, and a Slim can only provide them a profit if the cost savings from making it are not passed on to consumers.
I also doubt there will be any BC. While it would provide the PS3 with a source of good games -its own predecessors- Sony's own arrogance will block the move. They've spent too much time arguing that people don't want to play older games anymore.
The original 80GB and 60GB PS3 units had PS2 game support with upscaling. Those motherfuckers at Sony decided to scrap it since PS2 consoles were still selling.
I thought the embedded PS2 hardware was just a temporary solution, and they would eventually provide the same compatibility via software emulation. Anyone know what the current status of this is?
No news as of yet. Unless Sony is bothering the emulate the (pain in the ass that is known as the) GPU inside of the PlayStation 2, they cannot go completely software. That's why the GPU was included inside of the PS3 at launch. They removed it to cut costs.
Just want to point out that early models releasted in Nov. 2006 had hardware support for PS2 games by embedding the the Emotion Engine CPU [wikipedia.org] into the PS3. The EE CPU is the same processor in the PS2.
I missed the boat on those, but I don't own any PS2 games so it wasn't a big deal to me. A good friend of mine managed to pick one up and had a large collection of PS2 games, and as far as I know hasn't had any issues with them not working.
Are you just spouting random buzzwords? GCD works by combining thread pools with queues of closures. This is an absolutely terrible model for the Cell. If you'd said OpenCL, then you might not have sounded like you're just repeating terms that you heard someone else say to try to sound clever...
Do not want!! (Score:3, Interesting)
Unless the price comes down to 360 levels. It's not like the PS3 has an exclusive I particularly want anyway.
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Yeah, don't price drops often coincide with "slim" versions? My impression is the slim versions of these things are a result of improved manufacturing of the chips and such, which often (though I suppose not necessarily) means that they're able to produce equivalently powerful chips more cheaply.
I'd be happy if they just made a flat-topped PS3, so I could stack other things on top of it.
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The difference I see is - I can buy a 360 without the additional attachments. With the PS3 I have no choice.
Not sure why my original post is a troll though - I guess that it could offend someone, though I'm not sure who.
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Not sure why my original post is a troll though - I guess that it could offend someone, though I'm not sure who.
Because there's way too many gamers who, for whatever reason, seem to have tied their sense of self-worth to whichever gaming platform they've chosen. I've never understood that, and likely never will.
Myself, I don't want a cheaper, slimmed down PS3. I want a deluxe mode. I would likely pick up a new console if Sony would create a new PS3 with full hardware PS2 support. Yes, I already have a PS2, but I would love to be able to get rid of it and just play on the newer system. Oddly enough, my PS2 is still getting more gameplay time than my PS3 (I currently have a 20GB model) as I plow through a lot of the great older PS2 titles I missed (some JRPGs, Tales games, Ico & Shadows of the Colossus, etc).
It feels like Sony hasn't had a clear direction with their hardware for a long time. They keep changing models and reducing features (except HD space in later models). I guess this economy is more conducive to less expensive systems, so they felt they had to cost-reduce at the expense of features.
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Saying it's ridiculous is ridiculous :p
It's a perfectly valid comparison for price of entry (the only thing that matters to the vast majority of consumers). Also, this should be obvious, people buy products, and not feature lists.
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people don't care, they see they can get an xbox360 for alot less than the ps3 they don't care that: .'. better graphics
ps3 can run normal software and browse internet, watch DVDs, etc
ps3 on-line gaming is free
ps3 controllers are bluetooth and can be used on computers
ps3 has much better hardware
ps3 games can contain much more content
about a million reasons that ps3 is technically better, all they see is xbox360 is cheaper+ everybody else has then+ more friends to play online against
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I for one will not buy an Xbox 360 because they continue to fail and fry themselves. I'll save up for PlayStation 3.
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And I'm honestly curious out of the 30 million 360 sales, how many were replacements for broken units? Everyone I know that has a 360 has replaced their unit at least once.
I replaced my PS3, but it wasn't a fault of the hardware. My daughter just filled the optical drive slot with pennies.
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I replaced my PS3, but it wasn't a fault of the hardware. My daughter just filled the optical drive slot with pennies.
Hilarious. Let me guess; she overheard you saying, "Damn, I wish I could see some change in this machine!"
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Furthermore, PSN isn't nearly as bad as you suggested (it was at launch, but firmware heals all wounds!), and the Playstation 3 can run Linux very easily.
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I'm not a console fanboy. I buy all the consoles each generation. Let me debunk your FUD.
What do you mean by "normal software"? I agree that the PS3 can browse the Internet, but I'm not sure that's so useful. The Xbox 360 can play DVDs, too.
The PS3 can install Linux out of the box and can play BluRays. A BluRay player is still $200+, and $250+ for a decent one. Add $250 to the price of an XBox 360 and then tell me which is cheaper.
Xbox Live is far superior to the PS3 offering, and I pay only about $35/year. I don't *want* a free, crappy online experience.
XBox Live is better. I agree. But I prefer a free experience since I don't have 25+ hours a week to play my console online.
So? Why would I want to use my console controller on a PC?
I still play PC gaming, and I love the PS2/PS3 controllers. I don't have to buy separate PC controllers fo
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After I bought a PS3 I did quite a bit of reading and the unanimous conclusion was that the XBox360 had superior hardware capabilities, and was also easier to develop for than the PS3.
Pound for pound, the XBox 360 would be the console to get if you wanted to concentrate on gaming. The PS3 has the Blu-ray capability going for it, among other things.
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Comparing the price of a base PS3 to XBox360 is quite frankly ridiculous.
Features or not, they're both gaming platforms of the current generation with most of the same games. It's not like we're comparing a gameboy original to an alienware computer.
And we're talking about him wanting it or not. It's entirely up to him. If he didn't want it because it had a "P" in the name, that might sound ridiculous, but it's all the criteria he would need.
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It all depends on what you want. The basic 360 has half a gig of Flash, like the Wii. That may not be ideal if you want to download XBLA games or demos, but is probably sufficient for saves, patches, and a bit of DLC.
The 360 doesn't have wireless, which can be a major problem if your console isn't near a network jack. But you may not need it if it's close enough to a router (my TV is next to my computer, so wireless would be overkill to get network connectivity 3 feet).
The 360 doesn't have an HD-capable opt
Needs Backwards Compatibility. (Score:5, Insightful)
Unless it has PS2 game emulation, I have no reason whatsoever to upgrade to it from my 60GB model. A 60GB model which Yellow lighted and had to be repaired so I could save my saves. I'm still using the danm thing despite the imminent risk of another YLOD due solely to the fact that it plays PS2 games with upscaling. I don't want to go back to using a regular PS2 if I can help it. The difference is truly is like night and day.
If there's no PS2 backwards compatibility (and ffs PS1 game texture smoothing), I see no reason for prefering the model to the cheaper 80/160GBs.
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He means the original 60GB one (Score:5, Informative)
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Ya, I have an original 60gb "120 now" that had the emoticon? chip and natively plays ps2 games just fine. For my part I own a Wii, 360, and PS3. PS3 is my media center that I game on the 360 is my kids machine that does most of what my ps3 does but also wants me to pay to play.
My son will never have a purchased live account until he's 12 or older so it kind of sucks that some multiplayer features and demos are blocked. "I have a 30 day live account card but I almost never play on his system so why use it?"
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The only PS3s that have full PS2 BC are the original 20GB and 60GB. Some of the early 80GB versions had partial BC (they had the GPU in hardware but the CPU was emulated in software) but they didn't last long.
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The YLOD is an unfortunately common problem on the 60GB models apparently. Other models are more reliable. Unfortunately, the 60GB model was one of the last which supported backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. Yoy.
No PS3 has ever supported texture smoothing for PS1 titles. It has supported HD upscaling, but that's hardly the same thing.
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Unless the price comes down to 360 levels. It's not like the PS3 has an exclusive I particularly want anyway.
Besides, this is just going to be another one of Sony's stupid box things that doesn't fucking do the thing it's goddamn fucking supposed to. Most of Sony's products are motherfucking time vampires anyway and are completely ass backwards as fuck, even if they do have more megabytes and megapixels than all the TV shit that I already have.
Yes, I shamelessly ripped off the ONN. [theonion.com]
$100 off (Score:3, Interesting)
You can get $100 off a PS3 by applying for the Playstation credit card. When I did it, they gave me $150 off the 80 GB model, but apparently that deal has since expired.
http://www.sonyrewards.com/en/gateway/?offerlink=srnowps3 [sonyrewards.com]
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If you're a smug 360 owner and don't give a fsck about the PC then remember the fate of the original Xbox. Sony's keeping the PS2 around forever and they'll likely do the same with the PS3, you're still gonna get new games years after the PS4 launch. MS killed the Xbox immediatly after the 360 launch. Oh, they say it's gonna be different for the 360 because they don't have to pay intel and Nvidia etc etc, which brings us back to all the crap they spout about their support for PC games.
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That's a good suggestion, and don't get me wrong, I love Wipeout. I just wouldn't buy a whole console for it.
Back when it was Squaresoft, Metal Gear and things like Tekken, I would have half considered it, but the number of games that are going cross-platform removes the need for me to own two.
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I don't own a PS3, but there are a few exclusives I've enjoyed when hanging out at a friend's and a few upcoming ones that are making me tempted (although I'll probably get a 360 because I'm involved in game dev and my company wants to try to branch to consoles with our 3D engine):
Metal Gear Solid 4 (it's coming out on the 360, but I strongly doubt it'll look anywhere near as nice)
Wipeout HD
Uncharted and Uncharted 2 (I thought they were lame when they were first released, but they grow on you fast)
Gran Turi
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Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't coming out on the 360.
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He may be getting confused between MGS4 and Metal Gear Rising, which is what I'm talking about.
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Take a look at Forza 2, or the upcoming Forza 3 if you want high fidelity in a racing console game. As I understand it, it models all the way down to the non-Newtonian physics level at the interaction between the tires and the road, with different interaction as the chemical compounds in the rubber heat across multiple levels. Any race sim that models the sheer angle (the twisting of the sidewalls in the tires during a hard cornering) and the weight of the drive shaft and flywheel with respect to how the
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What it would take (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Bring back HARDWARE emulation of the PS2. Not the software version (which isn't even offered anymore).
2) Drop the price.
That is all. Do that and I'll buy. Seriously.
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There have been reports that the software emulaation works better, so I'm not sure we need the hardware emulation.
A price drop is a must. However, what many people weren't aware of is that Sony was doing a deal if you applied for the Playstation credit card, you got $150 off a PS3. When I purchased my second PS3, I did it through that deal and paid $250 for a PS3, which is the same price as a Wii, for an 80 GB model. That was a pretty good deal.
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I checked, and Sony isn't doing the same deal anymore, but they are doing $100 off a PS3 right now.
http://www.sonyrewards.com/en/gateway/?offerlink=srnowps3 [sonyrewards.com]
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Meh. Still no price cut, still no BC (Score:3, Interesting)
Even if the Slim materializes, I strongly believe that it will retail for the same price as the current PS3 (which may get a fire-sale price just to get rid of the things). Sony can't afford any other move with all the red ink they're bleeding; they need to start making money now, and a Slim can only provide them a profit if the cost savings from making it are not passed on to consumers.
I also doubt there will be any BC. While it would provide the PS3 with a source of good games -its own predecessors- Sony's own arrogance will block the move. They've spent too much time arguing that people don't want to play older games anymore.
They had PS2 compatibility (Score:2)
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Just want to point out that early models releasted in Nov. 2006 had hardware support for PS2 games by embedding the the Emotion Engine CPU [wikipedia.org] into the PS3. The EE CPU is the same processor in the PS2.
I missed the boat on those, but I don't own any PS2 games so it wasn't a big deal to me. A good friend of mine managed to pick one up and had a large collection of PS2 games, and as far as I know hasn't had any issues with them not working.
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Then you'll be waiting for a long time. With the poor sales of the previous Yakuza games in NA I doubt they'll bother to release this version.