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CCP Games, the developer behind space MMORPG EVE Online, made waves in August when they announced DUST 514, a console MMOFPS which will tie into the EVE universe. Eurogamer is now running a preview of the new MMO, providing more information on how it will work and the way in which it will interact with EVE and its players. Quoting: "... battles take place on dynamic battlefields about 5 kilometers across. Unlike EVE itself, there will be a cap to the number of players per battle — CCP is 'still playing with numbers' (and presumably watching the development of 256-player MAG with interest), but assures us that this will not be less than 64 players. There will be a command structure, with infantry and squadron leaders on each side led by a player-commander on board the hulking Mobile Command Center airship. The commander will effectively be playing a real-time strategy game with living units, and will have an RTS-style view of the battlefield. He'll be dependent on the situational awareness of infantry players to clear the fog of war. He'll also be the target, with the ultimate aim of a battle — after several, varying sub-objectives — being to destroy the opposing side's MCC."
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Obligitory Penny Arcade strip (Score:3, Funny)
It will be interesting to see if they do any better.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/7/17/ [penny-arcade.com]
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HAHAHAHA!! (Score:2)
So really, what's your fucking point to posting this repeatedly? What's your point???
Sounds familiar... (Score:1)
Sounds kind of like C&C mixed with Battlefield:2142. This could be interesting, although, when directing people instead of bots, you have to take up a leadership role, which, quite frankly, is difficult for a lot of people. Guild/Clan leaders should be looking at this game to showcase their abilities. I foresee large scale clan battles in the future.
No more imagining... (Score:3, Funny)
The commander will effectively be playing a real-time strategy game with living units, and will have an RTS-style view of the battlefield.
And I thought sending an endless line of marines to their death was fun before!
Enders game: The game (Score:2, Insightful)
I am really saddened that it's taken people this long to realize this was a KICK ASS Idea.
Disclaimer: Everything said below this runs under the assumption the game is made correctly. There are LOTS of ways they could mess this up, interface, command structure, how to reward playstyles, how the teaming is done, etc etc .
But IF they get this right, it will be a fantastic game. Some people love strategy, others love killing shit. Some people like both, but more often some people like one and hate the other.
Re:Enders game: The game (Score:5, Informative)
I am really saddened that it's taken people this long to realize this was a KICK ASS Idea.
Disclaimer: Everything said below this runs under the assumption the game is made correctly. There are LOTS of ways they could mess this up, interface, command structure, how to reward playstyles, how the teaming is done, etc etc .
But IF they get this right, it will be a fantastic game. Some people love strategy, others love killing shit. Some people like both, but more often some people like one and hate the other. Lots of people love having some voice in the sky doing the thinking for them so they can focus on killing shit, as long as that voice helps them kill shit better.
This is demonstrated on a LOT of big multiplayer games with voice enabled, you end up getting 1-5 guys out of dozens who are barking out useful info, the rest feeding off them without much complaint. I think there are better system sthan the everyone can talk to everyone method, but it hink it's a good start.
This has been done before, the human side in Natural Selection [wikipedia.org] had this years ago. One guy on the team was a commander with an overhead RTS view, everyone else played as a standard FPS. The commander could drop items, place buildings (but the FPS players had to actually construct them), and give orders.
My experience was that if you had a good commander, the overall game was good. If you had a shit commander, which was often, then the game was pretty bad. The problem is the ratios. You can't have everyone being the commander. What often happened was that one guy was voted in to become the commander because he was good, but then nobody else got to practice the commander role, so it was very self-reinforcing. The first few times you play commander suck a lot, everyone swears at you while you try to figure out which button does what. A lot of people never really got to play the commander at all, because they'd be kicked from the role within seconds, so they never got any practice.
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I played this game at the top tiers of league play, and I can tell you that it had of the most brutal learning curve of all FPSes I've ever played. It's the reason the game never caught on, it couldn't retain new players because pub strats were not logically linked to pro strats, causing stagnation.
The game style has a lot of potential. Hopefully this will be good, as well as Natural Selection 2 (coming soon), and widen our gaming horizons.
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This was also done with , which is still under active development, though gameplay has many of the same issues as you pointed out in Natural Selection -- you needed a good commander. Additionally, you also need good teammates who will do what the commander asks (and doesn't). [freeallegiance.org]
Nothing is more frustrating (for a player and a commander) than to see a team disintegrate simply because half of the team wants run around and shoot things rather than work together to accomplish a goal.
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Allegiance rests firmly in the category of games I must never, ever try for fear of losing my life to it. It sounds like a really awesome game.
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If you can get past the somewhat dated graphics, it is indeed a really awesome game. I actually played it back when it was a commercial product, and only returned to it a few years ago when I discovered that it lives on in open-sourced reincarnation. You should definitely try it; the community is small but very welcoming of newbies, and the gameplay is a *lot* of fun.
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They seem to have this base covered- there's talk of having player-versus-NPC battles as part of the new player experience, which would give everyone a chance to get to grips with the game without being steam-rolled by a clan veteran.
Having small groups of newbs taking part in small-scale, easy-rated NPC battles seems like a good way of letting people get the feel for commanding (and getting the feel of foot-soldiering too) without pissing people off and getting a terrible reputation. Especially considering
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Single player command training would be cool
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I'll be psyched up to try this if they get it out on a PC at all, which I am doubtful of. I think the pub server area will be a mess just like games like allegiance, savage, natural selection, battlefield, etc...
This is solved somewhat when you step into the 'eve' area of the game. What will be interesting here is effectively forcing players to form rank and structure. This is somewhat what shadowbane did with PVP and it worked well.. in that game if you wanted to go farther you HAD TO join a guild. It shou
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Another game that featured this idea to an extent is/was Allegiance. Teams of players (20 or more per side wasn't uncommon) with one commander for each team. The individual players flew ships (not much like the EVE ships; it's space-based combat flight sim with dogfighting and minefields and such) and would attempt to carry out tasks (hopefully) as the team needed them. The commander meanwhile spent his or her time in a top-down view of explored space, ordering NPC miners or mobile repair carriers, purchasi
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Holy fuckging shit. Tribes 2? Actually functional?!
+5 does not begin to describe how informative this post is.
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Savage has this RTS element for both sides (beasts vs. humans), and is an awesome game.
I don't know if S1 still has any multiplayer servers at the moment, but if not, if you're into these kind of games, Savage 2 can be bought for a tenner or something (and you'd support an indy studio with it).
Planetside (Score:1)
Man, this reminds me of Planetside. Anybody remember that game? I got it free at Gen Con one year, and I stopped playing after running around for about 3 hours and getting killed by things I couldn't see. How is that MMOFPS doing, these days.
An EVE player's perspective (Score:4, Interesting)
As a player of EVE Online who really likes the game but isn't that interested in the battling aspect, I have high hopes for this interesting concept. Particularly, I hope that the MMOFPS integrates with the existing game world through the market. I play primarily industrial efforts in the current game and would enjoy another vector of marketing strategies to pursue to further fatten my wallet.
Also, I think it will be cool to play the FPS as a genre diversion where I can potentially continue to forward my in-game goals from a totally different perspective. All-in-all, as an existing EVE player, I'm definitely looking forward to this game!
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As a player of EVE Online who really likes the game but isn't that interested in the battling aspect, I have high hopes for this interesting concept. Particularly, I hope that the MMOFPS integrates with the existing game world through the market.
Me too. One could imagine a whole secondary market for small arms manufacturing that FPS players could pay ship players ISK they earn from their missions.
So depending on who is selling, it depends on what small arms you can buy for your missions.
The espionage factor? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The espionage factor? (Score:4, Insightful)
Judging from past experiences...they'll give him a pat on the back for a job well done. This *is* the Eve universe, after all... :-)
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Re:The espionage factor? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why should CCP "handle" it? The situation you describe is the very essence of player-generated content. Think of the RP intensity of being a Dust merc clan betrayed in this way... wanting to find out who caused this, and getting revenge on them and the treacherous commander. That sounds pretty awesome in fact. I would guess that CCP would "handle" the situation by publiscising it, as it would be a fantastic advertisment for what differentiates Dust from Halo 4/5/6.
Incidentally there will be a strong incentive for MCCs not to do what you have described, because once they've done it, they will likely never get to command anyone again. So it would only happen when the stakes are really high...
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Like BF2142 (Score:5, Insightful)
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In the second case, if the grunts you are commanding don't follow orders, kick them out the corp. Put black marks by their names. Tell everyone how much they suck. Refuse to c
Eurogamer = Not Professional (Score:2, Interesting)
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Interesting series of links. I have been watching darkfall but after reading the forums a bit and investigating around on the web about it, decided to give it a year or two and come back. Anyway, it may be worth noting that while that first review is trash, the second one has what seems to be a much more fair and balanced view of the game.
It gave it a 4 of 10, but rather then mocking the game, presented a more factual oriented review, and when moving to opinions, was very clear it was a personal preference
Game isn't out yet. (Score:2)
Problem you'll have here with 'reviews', is that this game isn't actually on the market yet. The only time when people have seen it, and some people have played it, has been at the Eve Fanfest this last weekend.
So all impressions and review points come from CCP's own presentations and the battles shown during the fanfest.
Bearcock says.... (Score:2)
I would nuke the MCC from orbit.
Damnit, *that's* what they mean by console! (Score:3, Insightful)
Until I started following links, I thought we were going for retro I/O -- a game with lots of players, and a grunt/commander split, all rendered to ASCII and running in a terminal.
On finding the truth... okay, it's pretty, but I'm very disappointed.
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World of Nethack, sort of thing?
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As a, possibly, current EVE player - why should you be dissapointed? You don't need to have another powerfull PC to be comfortably logged into both full EVE and this, cheap console will suffice.
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If you say "cheap console" and mean a PS3 or Xbox 360, and I say "cheap console" and am talking about the vintage VT220 sitting in the garage... let's say we're in different worlds. :)
Does not work on a PC, hence I am not interested (Score:2)
Enogh said. Consoles are far too expensive if you already have a gaming PC.
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And gaming PCs are far too expensive if you have a console. So what is your point?
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But if you are already an EVE player, and want to try this, console is the cheapest comfortable way to be logged into both at the same time.
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While EVE (even few instances of it) can indeed be comfortably alt-tabbed, this "MMOFPS" will be probably quite gfx demanding, requiring quite powerful machine to comfortably run both (notice I didn't say "cheapest", I said "cheapest comfortable"), so it might even out.
Regarding mouse - you do realise that current gen consoles have USB ports? It's only up to the devs to enable using mouse. Also, it seems they want to make this FPS very "tactical", team-based. I would hope they realise that doesn't include t
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I know there is a little debate going on here on console vs fps, but I just want to throw in here, for me personally, FPS is meant for a mouse and keyboard. I own consoles and play them as frequently as my PC, but I save the sports/action/racing games for the console, and leave the strat and FPS games for the PC. Still, it is just what you like, I know some people could headshot me with easily with a joystick and no autoaim vs my mouse and keyboard. We are geezer gamers :)
I'd grab this thing for sure on the
FPS on console... (Score:2)
- playing an FPS on a console is like playing the clarinet with your anus,
- playing an FPS on a console is like masturbating in a straitjacket,
- playing an FPS on a console is like watching the dungeons and dragons movie...
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Like with any other online multiplayer game. Savage 2 had some learning curve, but I actually liked the game mechanics and there really wasn't any asshole players but everyone played nicely. New players of course, but people weren't harsh to them either. However the initial learning curve probably had something to do with it too, but its a fun game.
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Wouldn't... uhh, Aliens be a better fit?
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Yep, and EVE itself is the same - CCCP listen too much to hardcore gamers who constitute a tiny percentage of the gaming market and don't cater enough to casuals that bring in the lion share of the revenue for any MMO. Thus they have less money to spend developing the game and everyone looses, including the hardcore players. You can hope that they have realied this fundamental mistake by now, but I would not my breath.
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If CCP spend their time listening to casual gamers EVE would likely be thrown in the large pile of failed MMOs. EVE thrives because if fulfills a niche that no other game provides for myself and a few hundred thousand other gamers - I've never played an MMO where combat against other players can be as complex and fun as EVE's. If CCP spent its time listening to casual gamers there would be very little loss, the market would no longer be player-controlled, and it would be possible to obtain every ship withou
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I would like to second this. If Dust goes casual, there are already 8 copies of this game in existence or in the works. I mean, most notably as the article said, it is battlefield 2142 titan mode. What new gameplay will dust offer me casually? A game just as good as battlefield when i have a decent commander, and a crappy game when you have a crappy commander. There are plenty of sci fi shooters out there, bf2142, global agenda, planetside, halo etc. It'll just be another FPS with vehicles and get lost in a