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Nintendo Announces DSi XL 179

Posted by timothy
from the time-for-some-side-talkin' dept.
lbalbalba writes "This morning, Nintendo announced the third upgrade to the DS family, the DSi LL (or DSi XL). It will be released in Japan on November 21, one year after the DSi debuted, for ¥20,000 (approx. $220). The LL's main improvement is the size of its screens, which have been increased from 3.25" to 4.2" with a moderate increase to the size of the chassis. The device also includes a much bigger stylus, which looks to be the size of a ballpoint pen, and battery life has reportedly been increased to five hours at maximum screen brightness."
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Nintendo Announces DSi XL

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  • by MilesTails (1413987) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:26PM (#29916753)
    It prints free money for nintendo.
    • by tlhIngan (30335) <slashdot@wSLACKWAREorf.net minus distro> on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:59PM (#29917261)

      It prints free money for nintendo.

      You jest, but that's exactly right.

      The target market for this DS is big and growing. Older people (parents, etc) find the current DS line with screens that are too small - now Nintendo sees a huge market for large screens and less agile hands.

      Nintendo's no longer just a "kiddy" company - their products are aimed at everyone, particularly non-gamers. Nintendo might not win the console wars, but they'll infiltrate the homes of everyone else.

      • I'm about to give Nintendo some more money.

        I lost my Gameboy Advance's power cable. :-( Can I just borrow my friend's DS cable instead? Will it work with the GBA?

        • by Toonol (1057698)
          I bought a squid adapter for something like $3 from dealextreme, that had USB -> Every Nintendo handheld power plug in existence. I should have bought several of them, honestly.
          • How well does it work? Does it take about as long to charge? I wanted to buy something like that from Gamestop but I was kind of wary of plugging in a third party power charger into my handheld.
      • by thule (9041) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @06:12PM (#29917459) Homepage

        Nintendo's no longer just a "kiddy" company - their products are aimed at everyone, particularly non-gamers. Nintendo might not win the console wars, but they'll infiltrate the homes of everyone else.

        I think their products have been aimed at everyone for a long time. Look how many NES' Nintendo shipped (over 60 million). Tetris on the Gameboy was HUGE! Nintendo sold over 100 million Gameboys. The original Mario Brothers was an arcade like game that worked with two players. Their products are not aimed at "non-gamers". Their products are designed to *create* gamers. Maybe not the gamers the "hardcore" or the "game industry" thinks of (M-rated of course), but gamers none-the-less.

        • by brkello (642429)
          I really hate the stupid "hardcore" term. To me, hardcore gamers we created on the NES. Just because a game is rated M, doesn't make it hardcore. Quite frankly, it is more about the gamer than the games. And not all M rated games are bad. There are plenty of E and T rated games that are utter garbage.
      • Nintendo might not win the console wars, but they'll infiltrate the homes of everyone else.

        They already won the console wars. While the others still think about who creates the most powerful console, while making losses, Nintendo made money like crazy.

        And before they know what the real goal was, Nintendo will kick their asses through total dominance.

        (*Hopes it will not come to a monopoly.*)

        • by the_arrow (171557)

          Well, sure they are making money, but not as much as they used to. The big news today is that their profit is halved compared to last year.

  • Price (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Ceiynt (993620) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:26PM (#29916757)
    When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.
    • Re:Price (Score:5, Interesting)

      by SomeJoel (1061138) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:27PM (#29916775)

      When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

      Yes, since laptops have never cost more than desktops.

      • Re:Price (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Ceiynt (993620) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:31PM (#29916833)
        Laptops are expected to be able to do the SAME thing as your desktop though(with the exception of high end current games), in portable form. Take the same tech and shrink it, it will cost more.
        • by ookaze (227977)

          Laptops are expected to be able to do the SAME thing as your desktop though(with the exception of high end current games), in portable form. Take the same tech and shrink it, it will cost more.

          But no laptop can do what a desktop does for the same price, and you already thrown in an exception in your statement, that renders it irrelevant.
          Besides, there are several things that the DS can do that the Wii can't.
          So what's your point?

          This analogy with computers is just plain wrong anyway.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Avalain (1321959)
      Or maybe your portable is more popular than your home system?
      • by brkello (642429)
        You made a really good point. But no matter how good your point, there are people on here that are going to defend Nintendo at all costs from any criticism and get modded up for it.
        • I understand fanboyism because I used to be one. First it was "Commodore is better than Atari" then "Amiga is better than ST" then "Motorola/Mac is better than Intel/IBM PC".

          Now that's I've grown-up I just buy the top two systems (Nintendo 64/PS1, Gamecube/PS2, Wii/X360) and be done with it. I no longer care whose name is on the box, and recommend the fanboys do the same.

          • Now that's I've grown-up I just buy the top two systems (Nintendo 64/PS1, Gamecube/PS2, Wii/X360)

            Shouldn't that read XBOX/PS2?

            • by node 3 (115640)

              Now that's I've grown-up I just buy the top two systems (Nintendo 64/PS1, Gamecube/PS2, Wii/X360)

              Shouldn't that read XBOX/PS2?

              No, it should read PS2/PS1 (in the more natural #1/#2 order, instead of the OP's Sony-diminishing reverse order). Or if you want the top five (for context):

              PS2/PS1/NES/Wii/SNES (the last three having sold far fewer than the first two).

              • by Toonol (1057698)
                You're missing his point. This gen it's Wii/360 as 1st and 2nd. Last gen it was PS2/Gamecube (or PS2/xbox, 2nd place was close). The prior gen it was PS1/N64.
              • >>>No, it should read PS2/PS1 (in the more natural #1/#2 order, instead of the OP's Sony-diminishing reverse order)

                (rolls eyes)

                Kiddies, kiddies, stop fighting. It doesn't matter that was my whole point. And for those who wondered why I chose a PS2 and Gamecube instead of an Xbox, it's because the Cube and Box were essentially tied and there was little on the Xbox that interested me, but the Gamecube had Metroid and Mario Sunshine and Zelda, so I picked that one.

                >>>PS2/PS1/NES/Wii/SNES

                You

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

      To be fair, the DSi is cheaper than a Wii. This is the 'premium' edition for those who want it to look a little nicer cosmetically.

    • by tbradshaw (569563)
      Only holding the assumption that a portable gaming system is less valuable than a home system. This assumption turns out to not be universally true...
    • How is this insightful? Making things smaller has always been half the point of hardware manufacture, and has always been one of the most expensive things to achieve.

    • by joeflies (529536) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @07:56PM (#29918527)
      It's the same price (in Japan). The Wii is ¥20,000 in Japan, and apparently so is the DSi LL. It looks like you're converting the price of the DSi LL against the weak dollar and using the $220 price, and comparing that against the US price of the Wii ($199).
    • by Toonol (1057698)
      Not if your portable is still outselling your home system, which in turn is outselling all competitors. That probably indicates you're doing something right. It's not like products are 'supposed' to be certain prices.
  • Demand? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hansamurai (907719) <hansamurai@gmail.com> on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:31PM (#29916831) Homepage Journal

    I'm wondering where the demand for this was? It's not like they're increasing the resolution and now the DS size history has gone from its original size, shrunk down to the Lite version, then the DSi came out which was comparable to the Lite, and now they're making it larger than the original DS with the XL.

    But Nintendo usually knows what they're doing, as long as they don't color it red and require it be strapped to your face, that is.

    • Re:Demand? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Ceiynt (993620) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:33PM (#29916873)
      I hope they realized that a large portion of gamers don't all have tiny Japanese school girl hands? Even with my original DS, it can be a hand cramper to hold when using the stylus and playing.
      • Re:Demand? (Score:5, Funny)

        by Princeofcups (150855) <john@princeofcups.com> on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:49PM (#29917109) Homepage

        Not to mention that my old eyes are going. It's getting hard to tell a pikachu apart from an electabuzz.

      • by Hadlock (143607)

        Does this have larger external dimensions as well? Obviously the screen is larger but nowhere does it say the actual unit is wider. PSP-width with this size screen would be about perfect.

        • From the summary (which was copied from the article): with a moderate increase to the size of the chassis. Of course they don't say how much larger it actually is.

          Fortunately, a Google for "DSi LL dimensions" yields some useful results. Product-Reviews.com [product-reviews.net] has this:

          According to a recent Cnet article it seems as if the handheld has had to be almost completely re-designed around the display, the physical dimensions of the device are (when closed), 161mm wide, 91.4mm height and a 21.2mm depth.

          It also suggests checking out the image on CNET's article [cnet.com], which appears to be the same image as in the story /. linked to, except it shows the dimensions.

          Also, someone has made a comparison chart [sizeasy.com] on Sizeasy.com [sizeasy.com].

        • by maglor_83 (856254)

          It is wider, taller and thicker. It is thinner than the DS Lite though.

          Size comparison at Engadget [engadget.com]

          • by Hadlock (143607)

            Hunh. so it's 16cm wide. A NES controller is 12cm wide for comparison (DS Lite is 14). That puts it on par with an SNES controller, which is pretty comfortable. Unfortunately the DS XL uses the same buttons as the DS Lite, which are fucking tiny. I think I would have been a lot happier with a half inch smaller screen with SNES-sized D-Pad and ABXY buttons. Not bad though.

      • I hope they realized that a large portion of gamers don't all have tiny Japanese school girl hands? Even with my original DS, it can be a hand cramper to hold when using the stylus and playing.

        There's a joke in there, but I'm afraid to go there...

    • Re:Demand? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Hatta (162192) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:40PM (#29916977) Journal

      It's for the old people they introduced to gaming with the Wii. Now they have a handheld they can see with their aging eyes, and probably a larger stylus they can grasp with their arthritic hands. If you spend a lot of time in doctor's waiting rooms, these things come in handy.

      • Re:Demand? (Score:5, Funny)

        by Buelldozer (713671) <cliff@@@gindulis...net> on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:49PM (#29917119)

        I'll get off your lawn Sir.

      • by dbIII (701233)
        I'm not all that old, but yes I have spent a lot of time in doctor's waiting rooms reading books on the original DS since the thing fits in a jacket pocket. So far I've been through Lord Jim (Conrad), Treasure Island and part way through King Solomon's Mines.
      • by thule (9041)
        What about all the old people they introduced to gaming with the Gameboy and Tetris? Nintendo moved over 100 million Gameboys. Do you think only "hardcore" gamers bought them?
        • The Gameboy was only released twenty years ago. If we arbitrarily set "old" gamers to be fifty, then that would only be people who used gameboys when they were thirty or over.

          The vast majority of gameboys were played by children, who are now in their twenties or thirties, and still have perfectly fine eyesight.

    • by Bagels (676159)
      I believe they mentioned that customers were asking for bigger screens on surveys. Also, speaking anecdotally, I remember my mom wondering aloud "how can you see anything on that tiny screen?" several times with the older Gameboys and the original Nintendo DS. Of course, she now uses a smartphone with a screen that's not much bigger, so I suppose she's got that worked out now.
    • by dbIII (701233)
      Something like this actually tempts original DS owners like myself, which I suppose is the way to sell them since the main mode of failure for a DS seems to be theft.
      It would be nice with the "100 classics book collection" as an ebook reader (original screen is a bit dark) and nice for the "colors" howebrew in paticular.
  • So is this "DS 39" or "DSi 40" or "DS9L" or "D6L" or what?

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by siddesu (698447)
      DD XXL
    • by maglor_83 (856254)

      It's a DSi XL.

  • Makes sense (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Weedhopper (168515) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:41PM (#29916999)

    The one person who uses his NDS Lite more than any other person I know is my 63 year old father. He likes to play all those brain games as well as card/puzzle games and those My Language Coach series. His only complaint - the size of the screen and the size of the stylus.

    Nintendo knows EXACTLY what they're doing. Giving "casual" gamers exactly what they want.

    • by Aladrin (926209)

      "Casual gamers"? Are you kidding? Hardcore gamers want it, too. I wasn't going to bother getting a DSi because it didn't offer anything over the DS for me. Now that it's got a larger screen, I'm probably going to import it. (I'm learning Japanese, too, so the import is so I can get the Japanese DSi games. The downloadable ones, at the very least, are locked to the region.)

    • by mqduck (232646)

      The one person who uses his NDS Lite more than any other person I know

      Yes, that number usually turns out to be 1. ;)

  • by grapeape (137008) <[moc.rr.ck] [ta] [7epopm]> on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:46PM (#29917071) Homepage

    Nintendo has been trying to broaden its market with handhelds the same way that they have with the Wii. Games like brain age, professor layton and the Personal Trainer series appeal to and older crowd but the small screen size can make it rather limited. My mother for instance loves her DS but constantly complains about the text being too small or icons being indistinguishable, a larger screen size would be great for her. Based on the included bundle that appears to be the audience they are going for...smart idea IMHO.

  • by Avalain (1321959) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @05:51PM (#29917135)
    One of the comments that came out from people reviewing the PSP Go was that the screen looked "sharper" because it was smaller with the same resolution as the PSP 3000. Wouldn't this just have the opposite effect for the DSi? As it is the DSi has a rather low resolution and I'd be worried that increasing the screen size will just make games "bigger and uglier". I'm skeptical that this is going to do anything but highlight the shortfalls of the system; it being both the oldest and the slowest architecture on the market.
    • by macshit (157376)

      I'm skeptical that this is going to do anything but highlight the shortfalls of the system; it being both the oldest and the slowest architecture on the market.

      Actually the DSi has a fair bit more processor power (and memory I believe) than the DS, but few devs have taken advantage of it (for many games it's not really necessary, and obviously at this point the original DS still has a lot more market share).

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Toonol (1057698)
        16 megs instead of 4 megs ram, clock speed is about doubled. Still no powerhorse, but enough to make a noticeable difference in games... except nobody's made games for it, yet. It mainly perked my interest in emulation and modding, though; the web browser that barely worked in 4mb might do a pretty good job in 16mb.
        • note: the web browser for the original DS and DS lite used an extra ram pack in the GBA cart slot (there are two variants of the rampack, one that looks like a GBA cart and a smaller one designed to sit flush in a DS lite).

    • by ookaze (227977)

      One of the comments that came out from people reviewing the PSP Go was that the screen looked "sharper" because it was smaller with the same resolution as the PSP 3000. Wouldn't this just have the opposite effect for the DSi? As it is the DSi has a rather low resolution and I'd be worried that increasing the screen size will just make games "bigger and uglier". I'm skeptical that this is going to do anything but highlight the shortfalls of the system; it being both the oldest and the slowest architecture on the market.

      You can be worried. But this isn't aimed at the tiny group of people that care about this.
      Instead, this is aimed at older people that don't care one bit about these silly technical things, and just want to entertain themselves.
      The games are not ugly to most people owning a DS, and actually most people don't care about that.

      And don't care either about highlighting shortfalls. The DS is on its way to become the most successful dedicated videogame system in history, already at 110+ millions units sold in 5 yea

  • by Overzeetop (214511) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @06:34PM (#29917751) Journal

    Technology from a couple years ago, larger fonts for older eyes...they're clearly targeting the Korean market.

  • by wandazulu (265281) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @08:09PM (#29918681)

    I kept wep on my router longer than I should have because I just liked playing Mario Kart just that much. I lost my dslite and thought to buy the new model, but it still doesn't support wpa, just wep. I decided I wasn't going to switch back just for one game, and opted instead to buy nothing. Maybe I'll get the new one if it can do wpa, but if not, no sale.

  • Larger screens, more legible text, better wifi features... perhaps Nintendo is trying to break into the e-book reader market with this device. After all, e-book readers are popular in the DS homebrew scene, which Nintendo is not totally unaware of, and a company with Nintendo's clout could arrange a deal with Amazon for a Kindle app. I have limited pocket space, and when I'm on the go, I know I'd rather carry around a sightly larger DS than a DS and a Kindle...

  • by garynuman (1666499) on Thursday October 29, 2009 @09:32PM (#29919477)
    anyone else think its possible- nay probable- that Nintendo and Apple are locked in a vicious Trading Places-esque gentleman's wager over who can most rapidly refresh their product lines

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