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Sasayaki writes "South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson claims, in an interview with Good Game, that gamers were more of a threat to his family than biker gangs. This is the man who has been the biggest opponent to Australia receiving an R18+ rating for video games and who has the power to veto any such law introducing it."

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Aussie Attorney General Says Gamers Are Scarier Than Biker Gangs

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  • by gandhi_2 (1108023) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:31PM (#31158052) Homepage

    if you are a bag of Doritos.

    • by interkin3tic (1469267) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @02:10PM (#31158698)

      To be fair, the context was that a gamer slipped a threatening note under his door. I think in general, zombies are scarier than my next door neighbor, but if my next door neighbor says he's going to burn down my house, and zombies remain fictional, temporarily my neighbor becomes scarier than zombies.

      It's not a statement that should have been made by a politician in public though, and since he's keeping censorship going, he deserves whatever he gets (quotes taken out of context AND the threats). Furthermore, for him to fairly make the comparison, he needs to try banning motorcycles and then telling us which is scarier. I don't know much about motorcycle gangs, but I think they probably wouldn't have slid a note under his door, I think they would have slid a note on the end of their boot up his ass.

      • by ozbird (127571) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @03:54PM (#31160044)

        To be fair, the context was that a gamer slipped a threatening note under his door.

        A gamer allegedly slipped a threatening note under his door.

        • by jcr (53032) <jcrNO@SPAMmac.com> on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @05:55PM (#31161618) Journal

          A gamer allegedly slipped a threatening note under his door.

          An alleged gamer allegedly slipped an allegedly threatening note under his door. Personally, I would need more than a politician's word on it.

          -jcr

        • Threatening?? (Score:5, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @09:10PM (#31163554)

          Here is a copy of the note itself
          http://imgur.com/CeACw.png

          How does this constitute a threatening letter?
          "Dear Mick, I Can Has R18 Rating Pls? kthxbai"

          Screen shot Taken from http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/02/16/2820930.htm (not by me)

          Talk about the media taking it and running with it and blowing out of proportion

      • by Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @08:54PM (#31163424) Homepage
        No - to be fair you'd have to consider the guys history (and ask why he didn't report the alleged incident to police).

        And it's not just little lies about "bikers roasting cats".

        He has also brought in a law (since revoked) that required that people blogging about elections to publish their name and address, and to support that law claimed that a certain blogger was "not a real person" - an invention of the Liberal Party.

        Prejudiced the trial of people by claiming they were "pure evil - have no hope of rehabilitation".

        So he has a history of "discovering evidence" to support his extreme views

        He has a law degree - and spent a couple of years working for a newspaper (until he was "removed" for fabricating stories)

        So he should know about checking your facts, and, the existence of police.

        I believe the appropriate comment is "sucked in!".

  • by e2d2 (115622) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:35PM (#31158120)

    I hear a challenge Hells Angels/Mongols/Pagans/Insert your club here. This guy just called you all a bunch of pussies!

    • Hells Angles vs Captain N: The Game Master. Now that's a celebrity deathmatch worth watching :)

    • by Deadplant (212273) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @02:00PM (#31158524)

      according to TFA their 'biker gags' are called 'bikies'.
      wtf?
      makes sense now... who would be afraid of a widdle bikie-wikee gang?

    • by TubeSteak (669689)

      I hear a challenge Hells Angels/Mongols/Pagans/Insert your club here. This guy just called you all a bunch of pussies!

      The bikers are running a candidate for Attorney General against him.
      Maybe the biker candidate should co-opt gamers by advocating their cause.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Ninth Marion (1310141)
        I'd be less scared of a biker as Attorney General than a puritan nutjob like Atkinson.

        That originally popped into my head as a joke, but I think it's actually true! See also his recent law banning anonymous speech.
    • by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @04:07PM (#31160242) Journal

      Me and some gamer mates are going to beat up the Amsterdam chapter of the Hell's Angels. I mean, we are thougher then them right? What could possibly go wrong? They are wusses and I will make sure to tell them loudly and clearly, what are they going to do? None of them has scored as many kills in Counterstrike as I have.

  • Bwahahaha! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MightyMartian (840721) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:37PM (#31158148) Journal

    Where does Australia find these whack jobs? I mean, either the guy is a paranoid schizophrenic or a mental retard.

    • by guruevi (827432) <evi AT smokingcube DOT be> on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:46PM (#31158320) Homepage

      He's a politician. What do you expect - he's probably both?

    • Re:Bwahahaha! (Score:5, Informative)

      by Red Flayer (890720) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:55PM (#31158450) Journal
      I don't disagree that he's a whackjob. But if people bothered to RTFA (wishful thinking on my part)...

      Atkinson's got very vocal opposition among biker gangs and gamers.

      The reason he feels gamers are more of a threat to his family is because a gamer left a threatening note under his door one night. No biker has done that.

      Put yourself in the same situation. What would you consider a more present threat to your safety -- a set of organizations who is opposing you politically (the biker gangs are putting forward their own candidate to run against him), or a set of individuals, one of which has made a threat, in writing, at your home?

      Context is everything. The submitter, the editor, and all of the early posters like yourself should do yourselves a favor and (1) read the fucking quote before misattributing words to someone and (2) understand the context in which those words were said.

      I'm addicted to slashdot, obviously so if you see my post history. But I'm sick of it becoming the geek tab of fark.
      • Re:Bwahahaha! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by MightyMartian (840721) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @02:07PM (#31158642) Journal

        As a politician and (assuming Rudd isn't running everything) a setter of policy, it's his job to look beyond personal anecdotes. If he's making policy based solely on the fact that some nutjob left a note on his door, and he can't get past that, then he has no business being in a position where he does form policy. I'm sorry someone made some sort of a threat, but if he's suffered that significant an emotional scarring from it, perhaps he should recuse himself.

      • Re:Bwahahaha! (Score:5, Informative)

        by rale, the (659351) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @02:07PM (#31158644)

        The article also mentions that in his scuffle with the bikers, he claimed they had BBQ'd and eaten a cat. Then was forced to admit he made it up. Why would you give him any credibility with regards to this supposed threat he received, when he has lied about his opposition in the past?

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Red Flayer (890720)

          The article also mentions that in his scuffle with the bikers, he claimed they had BBQ'd and eaten a cat. Then was forced to admit he made it up. Why would you give him any credibility with regards to this supposed threat he received, when he has lied about his opposition in the past?

          Good point, but completely ancillary to the problem I was writing about. :)

          FWIW, the bikers did indeed barbecue and eat a cat. This is no surprise -- cats are a common BBQ treat among bikies down under, second in popularity o

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by Mister Whirly (964219)
            In Australia, they are called "prawns" and not "shrimps", and I have never heard and actual Aussie ever say "barbie". So for the record, "shrimps on the barbie" is something you would never actually hear in Australia. (At least from a real Australian.) They also think Fosters beer is piss, and Crocodile Dundee is crap.

            And saying something damaging about someone you have a political axe to grind, without any proof, is pretty much the definition of "slander". Thankfully he reduced it back down to "hearsay a
            • Re:Bwahahaha! (Score:5, Informative)

              by tdelaney (458893) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @03:18PM (#31159542)

              Actually, I'm an Aussie who says "barbie", as does everyone I know. "Shrimp" OTOH is never used (and if I ever hear the term, I think of really tiny little prawns).

            • "Throw a shrimp on the barbie" was a joke, it's saying "everything is NOT bigger in Texas", eg: Anna Creek cattle station is more than 10X the size of the largest US ranch. Americans failed to get the joke and thought the phrase was part of our lingo.

              BTW, Most Aussies including me enjoyed the first Crocodile Dundee but Hoag's lost his popularity with Aussies when he dumped his wife of 20yrs and ran off with the woman from the movie.
        • by Belial6 (794905)
          There is nothing wrong with eating cat. Just because some countries have decided that they are too cute do eat doesn't make it wrong. In fact, I only wish that eating cat was legal and common where I live. Here in Northern California, cats have gotten to the point of being an infestation. The cat per square mile ratio simply cannot support them all, but people just keep feeding them and letting them breed with no predators. Maybe the Aussie bikers could give US bikers some good recipies.
        • by Xest (935314)

          More to the point, why does a threat from one gamer automatically mean that gamers in general are more threatening?

      • Interesting to note, that he basses his views of the groups as a whole on the behavior of individuals.

        Were he to say, "I am more worried about black people* than Mexicans because a black person slipped a note under my door." he would get eaten alive by the public outcry. Apparently, it's ok to generalize based on traits that are chosen rather than inherited...
    • Re:Bwahahaha! (Score:4, Informative)

      by elrous0 (869638) * on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @02:26PM (#31158914)
      At least in the U.S. we disbarred Jack Thompson. In Australia, they made him Attorney General!
    • by Lumpy (12016)

      It's a requirement for aussie politicians.

      I believe it's a part of their constitution.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Shagg (99693)

      I mean, either the guy is a paranoid schizophrenic or a mental retard.

      Why not both?

  • I'm pretty sure... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SharpFang (651121) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:37PM (#31158156) Homepage Journal

    ...it would be opposite if he was proposing a ban on motorcycles.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by megamerican (1073936)

      The article states that he indeed, did:

      Mr Atkinson was involved in introducing tough new laws to outlaw bikie gangs in South Australia several years ago.

      At the time he said politicians and public officials had to put themselves "on the line" to take the gangs on.

      How brave of him. Now he has to bravely face some teenager leaving a note at his door that most assuredly called him a "nigger faggot."

    • To be fair, the article does say that he banned biker gangs and he's suggesting that he's under more threat over this games business than he was over that. Given somebody has evidently been round his house, slipping a note under the door, I can understand why the guy might be freaked out.

      But as you pointed out, he's only banned / restricted biker gangs, not motorcycles. Banning motorcycles because of biker gangs would have annoyed a larger section of the population, many of whom would resent being grouped

  • by davidwr (791652) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:39PM (#31158194) Homepage Journal

    Biker gangs playing video games while driving - that's double scary.

    But what about Biker gangs playing video games about biker games playing video games while driving, while driving???

    Or what about ERR_STACK_OVERFLOW

  • by gparent (1242548)
    Are the biker gangs in his town dressed up as teddy bears with pink helmets or something?
  • by Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:41PM (#31158234)

    Gamers sometimes learn bad fictional behavior. (Consider the evil character paths in various D&D games.) Gamers frequently learn good fictional behavior. (Consider the hero character paths in many D&D games.)

    In contrast, a chapter of Hell's Angels in Hamburg ran multiple houses for the rape of teenage girls and women held as slaves. (Sources: Victor Malarek's The Natashas, Terry Lee Wright's River of Innocents [riverofinnocents.com].) They were responsible for enabling thousands of rapes in the real world.

    Yes, it's atypical for a biker gang. But all things considered, it's more rare for the gamer.

  • by AioKits (1235070) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:41PM (#31158242)
    I can't count the amount of times I've felt threatened on the highways here as a beat up, patchy painted Honda Civic pulls up with a triforce or horde sticker in one of the windows. If it's one car, you can usually outrun it as they're not really going to be paying attention, usually debating the merits of pixel shading with others in the car at this point. However, if it's more than one car, you can bet they have you in their sights. Especially after playing that brutal and vicious car game I saw in the arcades once.. Spy Hunter I think it was?

    Or if I actually make it to a gas station and am fueling up, one of em might come over, push his glasses up or adjust the tape holding them together, asking what if I'm gonna reserve the new StarCraft! The horror!

    I always feel much safer knowing that the guy next to me on that bike on the highway has a full body tattoo and a mustache, and so does his girlfriend on the bitch seat! I mean, at least they're not gamers, right?

    * PS - This is intended as a lame attempt at humor, don't hurt me, I play games too! >.>
  • Soo.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by binarylarry (1338699) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:42PM (#31158252)

    What he's saying is, every person under 30 who lives in Australia is scarier than Biker Gangs?

    Does he ever leave the house?

  • Veto? (Score:5, Informative)

    by afidel (530433) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:46PM (#31158308)
    Wow, the AG has the power of the veto in .AU? That's a pretty strange arrangement where the guy charged with enforcing the law gets to decide if something should be a law.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Beezlebub33 (1220368)
      If there is a law, and the AG doesn't enforce it, it might as well not be a law. That's an (implicit) form of veto. Of course, the summary is hyperbole, but the key point (that the guy's a loon and in a position to affect how the law is applied) is correct.
      • by pavon (30274)

        On the other-hand, the AG isn't normally allowed to continue to enforce laws that have been repealed. Having the power to veto bills that change laws in ways he doesn't like would effectively give him this ability (limited to any override process).

    • Re:Veto? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Falconhell (1289630) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @05:34PM (#31161376) Journal

      This is a STATE AG, and for the relevant changes the approval of all the states AG is required.

      Atkinson is the holdout.

      He is the darling of the Right faction of the Labor
      party, which confusingly used to be left wing before they sold out.

      Please note in au liberals are the conservative party!

  • Of course! (Score:3, Funny)

    by geoffaus (623283) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:47PM (#31158330) Homepage
    Of course they are scarier - they get multiple lives!
  • And Bikers would be more of a threat to me than terrorist if I tried to outlaw motorcycles.

    Christians would be more of a threat than street thugs if I tried to ban religion.

    It's stating the obvious here....

  • Aren't all Australians compelled by law to watch Mad Max? Surely that should provide suitable education on the dangers of biker gangs...
  • ok... (Score:3, Funny)

    by kaoshin (110328) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:53PM (#31158418)
    "He was later forced to apologise. The animal was not a cat, the incident happened at another location and bikies weren't involved."

    This bloke is a dill mates.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Mathonwy (160184)

      "He was later forced to apologise. The animal was not a cat, the incident happened at another location and bikies weren't involved."

      Wait, what?!

      "Oops, my bad, it was a cow, not a cat. And it wasn't at my house, it was at the local Burger King. And I guess it was just a family of 4, not bikers. But it looked so delicious that I was understandably confused!"

  • What a tit (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Attaturk (695988) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @01:53PM (#31158424) Homepage
    I'm not sure whether my biker self or my gamer self is more offended by this arsehat. I've met and hung out with dozens of "biker gangs" at various rallies - yes including the patch clubs that people refer to here like they're comprised of mindless hooligans - and felt safer in their company than when taking a trip through a town centre on a Friday or Saturday night.

    In short, "biker gang" is not shorthand for dangerous thug. Nor is "gamer" shorthand for brainwashed serial killer. And while we're at it I'm pretty sure that "Australian politician" doesn't mean paranoid, misinformed and dangerously ignorant jerk"... but I could be wrong.

    Just a thought Mr Atkinson but perhaps your ill-considered bigotry is what causes people to take such a dim view of you. A single gamer harrassing you is more likely indicative that you've pissed someone off personally than that all gamers are out to get you and your family. Gah.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by mooingyak (720677)

      And while we're at it I'm pretty sure that "Australian politician" doesn't mean paranoid, misinformed and dangerously ignorant jerk"... but I could be wrong.

      It does actually, though it means it if you drop 'Australian' from there too.

  • I think he is!

    Thats to say... I agree that biker gangs are about as ridiculous of a thing to worry about harming your family as video games.

    Unless you have lots of contact with a biker gang, or have 1%er in the family, or have some other factor which makes you more likely to be involved in biker gang violence (maybe you are a meth addict with a penchant for not havening the money?) or maybe if you live next door to a particularly disliked gang member or chapter president, then... really.... what a stupid th

    • by TheCarp (96830)

      Ok, I am going to fucking shut up now.... I got p0wn3d:

      "I feel that my family and I are more at risk from gamers than we are from the outlaw motorcycle gangs who also hate me and are running a candidate against me," he said on ABC TV's Good Game.

      Wow...um.... so if you live in Australia...do worry about the biker gang party.... holy shit.

      -Steve

      • You know, I always thought Mad Max was a futuristic post-apocalyptic film series, not a documentary on the Australian socio-political scene.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Lumpy (12016)

      Most 1% er's people see are actually posers. I've been an official photographer for most of the BIG motorcycle events in the eastern half of the USA and real bikers that are real 1%er's are far and few between.. Most of the time you have a 1%er poser. someone that wants to look like a badass but in reality is a big pussy that wants attention. Problem is at Sturgis these posers get their asses kicked by the real 1%ers because they try and pull their bullshit in front of them.

      a Real 1%er when you find one

  • by MindlessAutomata (1282944) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @02:00PM (#31158512)

    This guy is going to piss himself if he meets a gamer that's in a biker gang.

  • by Mysticalfruit (533341) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @02:16PM (#31158776) Journal
    That a bunch of gamers got together and raised 1.7M dollars for charity last year to give to sick kids in the hospital, including two hospitals in Australia on the east coast...
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Macrat (638047)

      That a bunch of gamers got together and raised 1.7M dollars for charity...

      By smuggling drugs or weapons?

  • If you ever wiped a raid in World of Warcraft, you'll believe this guy, those guys can get really scary, specially when they found out you did it on purpose just to see what the "fear button" did :P


    Believe me there is nothing more scary than 24 angry players with huge repair bills, and no epic loot.....
  • I'd agree that gamers are more of a threat to my family than biker gangs. But that's just because, as far as I have observed, biker gangs don't exist; or at least they don't exist in my world. However, gamers do exist, I've seen them with my own two eyes.

    However, if they did exist and a biker gang were trying to break into my house, I'd want a bunch of gamers with me. I mean, if there isn't already a training simulation out there with that story, I'm sure there will be one soon.

    Coming soon from Big Lizza
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by edraven (45764)

      Yeah, it's always good to have a few fat slobs to cover your escape while you run out the back door.

  • by HTH NE1 (675604) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @03:19PM (#31159562)

    You don't wanna mess with the Yu-Gi-Oh! Card-Gaming Gang [google.com].

  • by Millennium (2451) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @04:13PM (#31160330) Homepage

    So basically, this guy is to Australia what Jack Thompson would be to the US if he ever got into a position of power. Guys like him would probably faint at the words I typically use to talk and think about them, not because of any actual obscenities, but because phrases like "enemies of freedom" would remind him too much of the way them thar turrists talk about the West.

    That said, I can't help but wonder if maybe JonKatz was onto something. Not even 15 years ago, gamers and geeks of all kinds tended to be seen as mostly harmless: bumbling and socially-inept, but generally well-meaning (albeit odd). We were condescended to, and even bullied from time to time, but we were more or less given the benefit of the doubt.

    That's changed, and it hasn't been for the better. The condescension and bullying haven't really gone anywhere, but now there's a palpable sense of fear mixed into it. We're seen as ticking time bombs, holding on by a thread that a pin drop in the wrong direction could snap. Some see us as pre-murderers, others as pre-rapists, yet others as pre-saboteurs, but the common thread is clear: we are sleeping monsters to be tiptoed around.

    The stereotype is of course false, or at least it's no more true than it's ever been for any group of people. But like the old stereotype, the new one wasn't born in a vacuum. Gaming and geekdom have always had a few Creepy People doing Creepy Things, but it's only recently that they've risen to the forefront. That's our image problem, and it would do us as a group a lot of good to think about why it happened and how to reverse it, before people like Thompson and Atkinson manage to do it for us.

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