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Sony Update Bricks Playstations 510

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Stoobalou writes "A controversial update which was seeded by Sony in order to remove the ability to run Linux on the Playstation 3 games console has caused a storm of complaints. The 3.21 firmware upgrade, which removes the security hole provided by the 'Install Other OS' widget used by lots of educational institutions and hackers alike, also removes the console's ability to play games... turning it into a very expensive doorstop."
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Sony Update Bricks Playstations

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  • Par for the course? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bjourne (1034822) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:04AM (#31760034) Homepage Journal
    So is there any console or other electronic gadget you can buy nowadays which does not include forced locked own firmware updates that has the possibility of breaking it? Both Xbox360 and the Wii are just as locked down as the PS3.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Both Xbox360 and the Wii are just as locked down as the PS3.

      Is that why there's a massive piracy scene for the first two, and zero piracy on the PS3?

      • by elrous0 (869638) * on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:14AM (#31760148)
        No, there is one word to explain that: blu-ray. It's the same reason there as very little DVD movie piracy in the mid-late 90's (very few people had burners and security cracks yet).
        • by drinkypoo (153816)

          I don't agree, I think it has to do with videogame piracy, not movie. You can already rip Blu-Ray with a drive cheaper than a PS3. It is EASIER on the PS3, of course.

          • by HAKdragon (193605)
            All PS3 games that ship on disc ship on Blu-ray.
            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by toastar (573882)

              All PS3 games that ship on disc ship on Blu-ray.

              Yes but all PS3 owners, have a Bluray Reader.

              Dump the thing across the network if you have to

        • by marcansoft (727665) <hector@@@marcansoft...com> on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:35AM (#31760360) Homepage

          No, there are two words to explain that: Other OS. Check out this table [marcansoft.com] (slightly outdated, it's a year old or so) by console hacker Michael Steil (or watch him talk about it on any of his talks). Every console post-PS2 was hacked for homebrew, and then those hacks were abused for piracy. The PS3 comes with homebrew, therefore there is little motivation to crack the native system. Pro-piracy people are rarely good hackers, and need homebrew to piggyback on. In fact, the reason the PS3 was recently attacked was neither homebrew nor piracy; instead, geohot attacked it solely as an ego boost and to get media coverage (note how he hasn't even tried to develop a useful application for his exploit, such as GPU access under Linux).

          Blu-ray is a minor inconvenience. There are a myriad potential ways of copying PS3 games that don't involve blu-ray discs.

          Sony are shooting themselves in the foot by removing Other OS, and pissing off legitimate customers on top of it.

          • by EdZ (755139)
            I wonder about that. I know the old adage of 'never attribute to deliberate malice what could be simple incompetence', but this could be a very shrewd move on behalf of Sony. People will pirate games, but you can't download console hardware (yes, yes, LOLemulators). Part of the PS2's success could be attributed to widespread casual game piracy making the console hardware attractive. And once you have the hardware, the temptation to impulse-buy games is greater. Even if you generally pirate everything, the l
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Idiomatick (976696)
            Totally true.

            Though I don't think pro-piracy crackers are BAD. I think many of them are pretty damn good. But their skill set is very different. They can get into games and sites and reverse engineer lots of bits of software. BUT to crack a ps3 you need very high level hardware cracking skills. Totally different things. You also likely need some amount of money if you might end up breaking a ps3 or 10. Crackers are generally not wealthy people. Really though I think it is like saying "That celloist is a t
            • by marcansoft (727665) <hector@@@marcansoft...com> on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @10:53AM (#31761410) Homepage

              I can only speak from my experience in Wii hacking, but I can safely say that the dude who "developed" wii softmod piracy on the Wii did so by duct-taping together existing homebrew in a very poor way. He can barely reverse engineer software and he hasn't contributed a single breakthrough to the hacking community - all he does is leech off of homebrew and present his duct-taped solutions and GUIs as breakthroughs. At the same time, he doesn't understand the implications of what he does, nor does he properly comprehend the system architecture, and he also doesn't bother with safety. This conspires to make Wii softmod particularly dangerous to the uninitiated, as you're almost guaranteed to permanently brick your Wii if you blindly do stuff, and still dangerous even for experienced pirates, as some of his tools just flat out randomly brick consoles for no reason at all.

              The day he preannounced his USB loader for the Wii (something highly predictable, as someone had recently released high-speed USB drivers for homebrew), I decided to carry out an exercise and see how long it would take me to build the core functionality by doing what he does - duct-tape together existing modules and tools. The answer is that what is widely considered to be his major breakthrough amounts to 6 hours of actual work, plus polish and a bad GUI. I had a video proof-of-concept [youtube.com] going before he even had a chance to release his loader.

              It might be different on other consoles; that I do not know.

        • by mikael_j (106439) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @10:13AM (#31760818)

          It's the same reason there as very little DVD movie piracy in the mid-late 90's (very few people had burners and security cracks yet).

          Doing a straight copy of a DVD doesn't require cracking CSS, you just copy the contents of the disc. The main thing that held DVD piracy back in the mid-late 90's was bandwidth and storage. While most people here in scandinavia would prefer 700 or 1400 MiB rips at the time we still hadn't convinced the average american "w4r3z d00d" that 250-300 MiB wasn't good enough for a full length movie...

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by Ltap (1572175)
            It's interesting to chart the course of stuff like this. After 300/350mb rips, people moved to a semi-standardized 700mb AVI with DivX/XviD and MP3 (later proper AC-3). This was mostly motivated by speed of encoding - even with a largish 700mb file, they could do AC-3 passthrough and quickly encode the video. Now some more properly done rips are appearing - either 350mb files with x264 (equal quality) or higher-quality 1.2 or 1.4gb rips (usually scaled down from HD sources).
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Aphoxema (1088507) *

          No, there is one word to explain that: blu-ray. It's the same reason there as very little DVD movie piracy in the mid-late 90's (very few people had burners and security cracks yet).

          I partly counter your example with UMDs; absolutely no one has UMD burners yet the PSP has been an extremely convenient medium for playing games unlicensed, along with other homebrew software.

          What is especially different between movies and games is movies can be reformatted into smaller sizes. Those 5 gigs of video can be turned into a few hundred megs which is easier to disseminate online. Games, though, can only have content taken out and some aspects of it compressed or reformatted.

          Since dual-layer Blu-R

    • by commodore64_love (1445365) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:21AM (#31760214) Journal

      Yes. In addition to a PS3, X360, and Wii there's also the iPhone and iPad that can be bricked via forced updates. Also certain DVRs and Bluray/HDDVD gadgets. I've also heard complaints about DTVpals being bricked by the Dish Company's updates.

      And my response?

      - Call Sony to demand restitution for the PS3 they broke.
      - Wait.
      - If no response to repair or replace the broken PS3, then I'd buy a new PS3 from some store (like amazon or walmart), put the bricked one inside the box, then return it as defective ("It just won't turn on. No I don't want an exchange; I want a refund."). The store would eventually return it to Sony who would have to deal with the property THEY destroyed.

      • Ooops. I just noticed I didn't answer your question. I'm not aware of any gadgets you can buy New which does not have firmware. Of course you always have the possibility of simply not updating your TV or DVR or Bluray Player so it can't be bricked, but you also run the risk of not being able to play some new Blurays that require the latest firmware. (There's also talk of blocking output to the Component Video cables.)

        Older gadgets don't have firmware. For example the Super VHS I bought a few months ago

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Vectormatic (1759674)

          AFAIK the nintendo DS doesnt have firmware upgrades, not sure about the DSi though

          but that's all i can really think off to be honest, off course your PC doesnt REQUIRE bios upgrades to run new games, but they might be beneficial for the entire system as a whole

      • by bami (1376931) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:33AM (#31760338) Homepage

        "put the bricked one inside the box, then return it as defective"

        That's fraud, also, I think they print the serial of the PS3 on the receipt so they wont match when returning it.

        • by commodore64_love (1445365) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:48AM (#31760510) Journal

          >>>That's fraud

          Yes it IS fraud for Sony (or any other company) to destroy people's personal property. As I said I would follow proper procedure and give Sony an opportunity to do the right thing (repair/replace), but if they don't I will not just sit on the property THEY destroyed and do nothing.

          I'm tired of corporations running over citizens as if they were smashed squirrels on the road to wealth. Oh and also dipping into taxpayer wallets by giving themselves free handouts (Congressional bills). I will do what I feel is necessary to protect myself from loss.

          • by QuantumRiff (120817) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @02:08PM (#31764216)

            Or, instead of committing fraud, and hurting your local retailer in the process for something that is not their fault,
            you could, you know.. Take Sony to Small claims court. This is exactly the kind of stuff that Small Claims court is made for. Sue them for the cost of a new device, plus filing fees.

        • by Sporkinum (655143) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:50AM (#31760546)

          Not only that, it's primarily fat PS3's that are bricking. I don't think they sell those anymore.

          • by GameboyRMH (1153867) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {hmryobemag}> on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:59AM (#31760666) Journal

            I was on the verge of buying a used fat hardware-emu PS3 before this stupid "update" came out. Now those old ones are going to be even harder to find and more expensive.

        • **"put the bricked one inside the box, then return it as defective"**

          A friend of mine was banned for life from Best Buy for trying this.

          They had an issue with a Linksys router they purchased from the (IMHO) worst online retailer...buy.com. They couldn't get buy.com to agree to replace it, so they went to Best Buy, purchased an identical piece of hardware, put the bad one back in the box and attempted to return it. The folks at Best Buy compared the MAC address of the one in the box to the sticker on the o

      • Consoles have serial numbers. Those serial numbers are visible through a window on the box they are packaged in. Said serial number is scanned when you purchase the console.

        In other words, your proposed attack against "The Man" wouldn't work.

    • by penguinboy (35085)
      Apple does not force iPhone and iPod updates.
    • by tagno25 (1518033) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:23AM (#31760250)
      I cannot brick my Android phone. Event deleting the firmware it still boots to the flash loader.
      • I think Nokia N900s are also "unbrickable" - even an interrupted firmware update is recoverable, but that's because the "lowest level" firmware is never updated (or at least hasn't been updated so far and there's no info about doing it) - what they call a reflash is actually just re-imaging a regular disk partition in the solid state memory that contains the OS.

        I wonder why more manufacturers don't use a similar "sub-BIOS" system that can be used to recover from failed firmware updates. I know some PC mobos

    • by PopeRatzo (965947) *

      So is there any console or other electronic gadget you can buy nowadays which does not include forced locked own firmware updates that has the possibility of breaking it?

      So far, the PC's I put together from parts don't have forced locked down firmware updates.

      Seriously, this locked-down stuff is going to kill everything many of us love about computers, gaming, etc.

      Does anyone out there doubt that at some point the iMac is going to be locked down to only allow apps via some iTunes like channel?

      Why do Sony, A

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Skylinux (942824)

      So is there any console or other electronic gadget you can buy nowadays which does not include forced locked own firmware updates that has the possibility of breaking it?

      The Nokia N900 is such a device.
      It is one of the few devices you truly own and where the vendor will not dictate what you are allowed to install.
      When a new firmware update is available you get a notification asking you if you would like to install it or not, nothing is forced onto you.

      But don't get me wrong, The N900 is not perfect. It is a new device with a new OS and some of the applications reflect that. The E-Mail client, for example, is a piece of crap without proper IMAP support and spell checking. Th

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:04AM (#31760042)

    Yes, every single system update brings out dozens of "complaints" how it bricked their system. You'll note the very low number of posts against each of these user in the forums too, creating their account to troll or complain is the question? You get the same thing when major games are released. Trolls or genuine reports has never been determined because no one ever follows up the complaints with real people to determine validity, but nevertheless, people write these problems "stories".

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by X0563511 (793323)

      I would wager that the false positive reports balance with the false negatives. (ie, your trolls vs the unreported angry people)

      • by gsslay (807818)

        So if I write stuff here about you that's untrue, on balance it becomes true because of stuff that other unspecified people haven't written here????

        Rrrright...

    • by Anonymous Coward

      "You'll note the very low number of posts against each of these user in the forums too"

      Every major PS3 firmware update and game release has pathetic and desperate Xbox fanboys racing to console forums creating dummy accounts making up inane stories about bricked PS3s.

      Owning the worst console in history, the Xbox 360 and its unprecedented garbage hardware, has created a bunch of foaming at the mouth nutcases desperate to smear other consoles in hopes it will somehow salvage the reputation of their piece of c

      • by wjousts (1529427) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:34AM (#31760342)

        a bunch of foaming at the mouth nutcases desperate to smear other consoles.

        Pot calling kettle, come in kettle.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by RogueyWon (735973) *

      There's a degree of truth of this. I've noticed that if I research any purchase online, I always have to employ a mental "negativity filter" to reflect the fact that by and large, it's unhappy people who post on these forums. My "fat" PS3 has been updated (reluctantly) for several days and has had no problems (touch wood) - unless you count the loss of functionality that I had never used, but had liked knowing was there.

      However, firmware updates do genuinely seem to have a habit of causing problems with the

  • Doorstop? (Score:4, Funny)

    by bytethese (1372715) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:05AM (#31760046)
    Clearly the article said it turned it into an expensive brick!
    • Clearly the article said it turned it into an expensive brick!

      But a brick that can still contribute to your electric bill.

  • This always happens (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:05AM (#31760052)

    Over the life of my PS3, updates have commonly caused severe issues. I've had to reformat the hard drive several times and I even had to send it in to be "repaired" after updating. Sony really needs to work on not breaking their own system.

    • by elrous0 (869638) * on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:22AM (#31760234)

      The problem is that Sony cares way more about locking down and commoditizing their media content with DRM and "security meseasures" than they do about their customers (one of the inherent problems of having a hardware maker who is also a media producer). They're not alone on that (MS and Nintendo are hardly open themselves), but they do seem much more obsessed about it than just about anyone else--short of maybe Apple.

      The problem is that Sony doesn't seem to be thinking much about the fact that their media is only worth something in the first place BECAUSE of their customers. And, if they're not careful, they could very easily lose their balance and fall. After all, the perfect way to produce a piracy-proof blu-ray of a movie or videogame is to simply release it as a blank disc. But no one is going to buy it then, are they?

    • by Pharmboy (216950) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:24AM (#31760256) Journal

      In this respect, even Microsoft does a better job. They have to update a more sophisticated operating system that runs on a HUGE variety of systems and processors. Sony knows 100% the exact software and hardware they are updating on, and 100% of the software that will run on the console, yet they can't manage an update without borking somebody's box. If they worried more about quality than piracy or someone running linux on their hardware, they might actually be able to produce a decent product some day.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Over the life of my PS3, updates have commonly caused severe issues. I've had to reformat the hard drive several times and I even had to send it in to be "repaired" after updating. Sony really needs to work on not breaking their own system.

      I have owned a PS3 for years and have never once had a problem with their updates.

      Out of curiosity, are you doing anything "weird" with your PS3, such as running other OSs or anything?

  • interesting... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by X0563511 (793323) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:05AM (#31760062) Homepage Journal

    Sony shoots one foot while trying to shoot the other...

    I don't really have much to add that doesn't get beaten-to-death any other time Sony is brought up.

  • Haven't Installed it (Score:3, Informative)

    by j33px0r (722130) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:06AM (#31760068)
    I use the PS3 to play games so I typically don't mess with the online stuff or updates until I'm really bored of a game. Laziness pays off this time!
    • by somersault (912633) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:11AM (#31760122) Homepage Journal

      It's fine if you want to play games. And the update is required if you want to play online games.

      Both my and my flatmate's PS3 went through the update with no problems. It only becomes a "very expensive doorstop" if you don't use it to play games, or watch DVDs and blu-rays, the article is a bit flamebaitish because we already knew this would happen, and the update has a page which specifically informs you about the removal of the Other OS feature and then confirms (I think twice) that you really want to go through with it.

      • by jimicus (737525) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:22AM (#31760238)

        TFA didn't dwell on the "removes other OS" feature - that was already well known.

        TFA explained that the update tended to stop the affected units from doing anything useful - eg. playing games, connecting to the Internet. Which I'm sure does have the side effect that installing an alternate OS will no longer work, but I don't think this is quite how most people interpreted Sony's original description.

        • by somersault (912633) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:34AM (#31760346) Homepage Journal

          TFA explained that the update tended to stop the affected units from doing anything useful - eg. playing games, connecting to the Internet. Which I'm sure does have the side effect that installing an alternate OS will no longer work, but I don't think this is quite how most people interpreted Sony's original description.

          The article says that is the case for people who have not installed the update. That has been the case every time Sony releases an update (apart from a couple of non essential updates such as the one that updated the slideshow facility). It is not news.

          The only real bit of news in there is that some people are experiencing infinite loops in the update process, which does suck.

      • by Andy Dodd (701)

        It appears that you only lose the ability to play games (Online ones) and Blu-Rays if you DON'T install the upgrade.

        The article doesn't indicate that anyone has lost this functionality as a result of the upgrade.

        • Actually the first paragraph does. It is very poorly worded:

          The 3.21 firmware upgrade, which removes the security hole provided by the 'Install Other OS' widget used by lots of educational institutions and hackers alike, also removes the console's ability to play games or connect to the Interweb according to forum posts, turning it into a very expensive doorstop.

          Emphasis mine. There is no also about it. The two outcomes are mutually exclusive depending on whether or not you install the update.

          It is always the case that if you don't install a required system updated, that you can no longer use online features. I've got no idea why some users are saying that their PS3 suddenly "refuses to play or eject blu-ray discs" though. With the standard of reporting in the article I wouldn't be surprised if one person

    • I'm sorry but you do realize that by "online stuff" people mean "playing games", right?

      For example, my copies of Warhawk, SOCOM and MAG all very much appreciate being online.

      PS my PS3, an original fat 60GB model (now a 320GB model not that its relevant) went through the update fine.

  • by p1r4t3 (1139441) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:07AM (#31760072) Homepage
    Ever since the update I've had issues with games freezing up on me. I haven't noticed any real slow down of the net connection or any issues with PSN. But if this is a ploy by Sony to get me to give up my thick PS3 that has the ability to play PS2 games then they better add that functionality to the slim PS3 because I'm not about to go out and buy 2 consoles just to have the same functionality as the one I have now.
    • This is why I kept my PS2. It has 99.9% compatibility with my older PS1 collection (since it's basically a PS1 inside a PS2).

      The PS3's compatibility is nowhere near that high. And companies wonder why we turn to emulation..... the emulators work better than the actual paid-for product.

    • My PS3 has been broken since the update. I cannot connect to PSN, Playstation Home, play online or watch a bluray. When I try to connect I get error "Z(7,-100)". I have told by some people that it is broken server side if I get that error, Sony support are clueless.

  • by derrickh (157646) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:08AM (#31760090) Homepage

    The article doesnt describe bricking. It barely describes real problems. It describes (rather vaguely) sluggish internet and third party controllers not working. And it never actually shows or links to actual complaints. The only real information in the article is that people who dont install the update can't connect to PSN, which is standard for these updates.

    D

  • by For a Free Internet (1594621) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:08AM (#31760092)

    It's a front for the Iraqi-Italian axis and this "bricking" is part of their war on the Christian American Family. What we need is Communism, and ham.

  • Am I the only one? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by courteaudotbiz (1191083) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:10AM (#31760108) Homepage
    Am I the only one who has not had a single issue with my fat PS3? No clock problem, no update / bricking problem, no connectivity problem.

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact the I never played around with "install other OS", never opened the hood to replace the hard drive, never tried to jailbreak it...

    Still, I think it's sad that Sony is trying to prevent power users to exploit the full potential of this otherwise marvelous piece of technology!
    • And yes, I updated to the latest FW update yesterday and I have not had a single problem. I own it since april 2007, so 3 years without a single glitch!
  • Is this even legal? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dialecticus (1433989) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:15AM (#31760152)
    I wonder whether the intentional removal of a major feature which was present at time of purchase, and which for many was the primary reason for said purchase, is in any way actionable.
    • You mean like when Creative upgraded the firmware on their XM satellite radio receiver to remove the ability to record MP3s from the radio feed, which was advertised on the box as THE major feature?
    • by blueZ3 (744446)

      I think Sony would say that the EULA makes it so. I think a lawyer would/could argue that if they brick your system with an update, they owe you a new one. Unfortunately, you'd never get a lawyer to take this case as the value of a PS3 and "damages" aren't enough to cover one billable hour...

      Morally (though that's so gauche to say these days) I think if you buy a product and the company borks it well after the purchase, they owe you a fix or new one. Using the classic /. car analogy, it's like taking your c

    • by jimicus (737525)

      I wonder whether the intentional removal of a major feature which was present at time of purchase, and which for many was the primary reason for said purchase, is in any way actionable.

      That's an extremely good question.

      IANAL, but AFAIK current consumer law in most countries was drafted when the idea that a manufacturer could change how the item you've bought works, months or even years after you bought it and force you to accept this change if you want to continue using the item was little more than fanciful dystopic science-fiction.

      Complicating the issue further is that (certainly in the UK, YMMV) legally speaking, it's the retailer's problem to ensure you get what you paid for, not the

    • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

      by Theaetetus (590071)

      I wonder whether the intentional removal of a major feature which was present at time of purchase, and which for many was the primary reason for said purchase, is in any way actionable.

      Aside from what others have said regarding the EULA, which really does control here, if you wanted to go to the Uniform Commercial Code and sue the retailer for breach of an implied warranty as jimicus suggests, you'd have an additional problem:

      2-315. Implied Warranty: Fitness for Particular Purpose.
      Where the seller at the time of contracting has reason to know any particular purpose for which the goods are required and that the buyer is relying on the seller's skill or judgment to select or furnish suitable goods, there is unless excluded or modified under the next section an implied warranty that the goods shall be fit for such purpose.

      Installing a secondary OS may have been your particular purpose, but a retailer wouldn't know that... It's something that less than 1% of purchasers would do. Furthermore, even if you told them expressly, "I'm purchasing this to install Linux," note that second claus

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by moniker (9961)

        IANAL

        The FTC needs to step into this. I filed a complaint with the FTC earlier this week, it only takes a few minutes, so please do the same if you are a PS3 FAT owner unless you enjoy losing features you paid for. Judging that any post I make on the playstation blog containing the word FTC is instantly censored by string matching, I believe this is what Sony is afraid of.

        From the FTC statement on unfairness, "To justify a finding of unfairness the injury must satisfy three tests."
        source: http://www.ftc.gov

  • I understand how MS could sometimes release updates that are harmful to some computers, they control on the hardware and the other programs installed on their customers machines.

    But in the case of consoles and Sony they know exactly what they will encounter, one of a few versions of the Playstation 3.
    And I believe this is the second of their updates to brick PS 3s.

    So my questions is, do they not even test their updates on the PS 3s?

    Or are PS 3s of the same version radically different enough to brick or not

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      There's really only ONE report of a bricking. Meanwhile my Microsoft console is doing a mandatory, 26 minute update before I can use Xbox Live this morning. I don't know whether I should be more scared that the update should fail, or that it will RROD before the update finishes. And all I want is to play Forza 3... (I'm throwing rocks at Gran Turismo now, wewp)

  • My $0.02 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Pojut (1027544) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:23AM (#31760248) Homepage

    Our 250GB PS3 Slim has been fine after the latest update...no freezing or game launching problems. I can't RTFA due to work filters, but I would imagine that this update wouldn't cause problems with Slim PS3s anyway, since out of the box you already can't install Linux on there.

    Can anyone tell me if TFA says anything about Slim PS3s?

  • by Duradin (1261418) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @09:31AM (#31760324)

    It is archaic definition bricked or "inconvenient to repair" bricked, as is the new usage.

    Given that "literally" is the new figuratively it's hard to tell what people mean these days.

  • Really glad I didn't install this one. I wanted to keep the "Other OS" feature so I skipped it. I was going to pick up a slim anyway, so I guess I'll do that and save my "Other OS" feature on my current console. My only problem is if I can continue hunting trophies when I move all my data over to the slim :/
  • I ran the update when it dropped, have been playing games and connecting to PSN, NetFlix and various web browsing with zero symptoms... maybe it only affects certain models? I have the last gen "phat" ps3
  • by gillbates (106458) on Wednesday April 07, 2010 @11:20AM (#31761772) Homepage Journal

    Honestly. It's their hardware.

    Look I understand that you "thought" you became the owner when you forked over the cash. But that's not how corporate America works these days. For a given amount of green, you get to place a Sony-owned piece of hardware in your living room, and play it until Sony decides it's obsolete. You then get to put it in the garbage, give Sony some more money, and replace it with another box with even less features. And to top it off, you rebuy all of the games you liked to play.

    I know it sounds cynical, but this is how the console market works. Unless you're using FOSS on open hardware, you don't really own it anymore. There are EULAs to contend with, the DMCA and DRM, and the ever-increasing term of copyright.

    If you don't want the pitfalls of proprietary hardware, don't buy it.

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