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Valve Delays Portal 2, Squashes Duke Nukem Rumors 135

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SKYMTL writes "In a tongue-in-cheek commentary, Valve has announced the delay of Portal 2 and thrown water on the rumor fires regarding its E3 'surprise.' This surprise was rumored to be either Half-Life 3 or the revival of Duke Nukem, and it looks like neither will happen anytime soon."
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Valve Delays Portal 2, Squashes Duke Nukem Rumors

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  • Half-Life 3? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 10, 2010 @05:57AM (#32521550)

    Shouldn't they get Half-Life 2 Episode 3 done first?

    • by vrmlguy (120854) <samwyse.gmail@com> on Thursday June 10, 2010 @07:06AM (#32521798) Homepage Journal

      Personally, I'm interested in the narrative direction that Valve takes in Portal 2. The original's protagonist started as a relatively weak, essentially passive, woman, who only comes out of her introverted shell after much prodding by GLADOS. The sequel needs to go in a different direction, with an extroverted male protagonist. He should be a body builder, with a blond crew-cut, wearing aviator glasses, and smoking a cigar. You know, like this [ripten.com].

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I thought the whole point of episodic releases were that they reduced the time for releasing the product? You know, smaller chunks of the game more often?
      HL2 - Nov 2004
      Ep1 - June 2006
      Ep2 - Oct 2007
      Ep3 - its goddamn mid 2010 and still no sign of it.

      Hmmm, that worked out well then. Think of this Valve - people expected ep3 out at the end of 2008. Each year you put the damn game back, all your customers expect even more for the game to be. By the time this actually comes out, there is no way you could ever liv

      • by D'Sphitz (699604)

        I just don't get it, millions of people have been waiting for years, cash in hand, to buy Episode 3. Almost 4 years later still not a peep, no preview, no release date, no news, nothing, hell who knows if it's even in development at all?

        If it comes out this year, or in 2011, will people still want it? I'm sure it will hurt them, the engine is getting old, fans are feeling alienated. Way to blow a fantastic franchise Valve.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          I remember saying almost this exact same thing while Half-Life 2 kept getting pushed further and further back: they'd waited too long, any hopes of a franchise were dashed, nobody cared, etc. etc. Remember, it was a delay of almost six years between HL and HL2. And imagine how foolish I felt when I actually played HL2, it sold extremely well, and I ultimately had to eat those words. The franchise is gonna be fine, even if it takes them another year to release it. People will still buy it. The fact that peop

        • Re:Half-Life 3? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by IndustrialComplex (975015) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @10:47AM (#32523500)

          If it comes out this year, or in 2011, will people still want it? I'm sure it will hurt them, the engine is getting old, fans are feeling alienated. Way to blow a fantastic franchise Valve.

          And yet people still put faith into Activision/Blizzard that by the time they get around to the third installment of Starcraft2, they won't have lost interest/developers/goodfaith and will put out something at the same quality (if they ever get around to it) as the first 'third' of the game.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by zerocool^ (112121)

            To be fair, Starcraft is ENTIRELY an anomaly in the entire history of video gaming. Blizzard have a pretty good idea that people are and will be interested in Starcraft... because the game is still selling.

            Seriously, the game came out 11 years, 2 months, and 10 days ago. Literally a week ago, I was in a GameStop and saw a brand new, in box copy of the starcraft battlechest edition on the shelf, for sale.

            I cannot think of any other game that is still being sold as new that's anywhere NEAR that old - discou

            • by bhiestand (157373)

              To be fair, Starcraft is ENTIRELY an anomaly in the entire history of video gaming. Blizzard have a pretty good idea that people are and will be interested in Starcraft... because the game is still selling.

              Seriously, the game came out 11 years, 2 months, and 10 days ago. Literally a week ago, I was in a GameStop and saw a brand new, in box copy of the starcraft battlechest edition on the shelf, for sale.

              I cannot think of any other game that is still being sold as new that's anywhere NEAR that old - discounting things like the Civ anniversary pack or the C&C: First Decade pack, and other re-releases. This game has real staying power.

              And that's not even counting Korea, where you can watch tournaments being played LIVE with commentary on national TV.

        • Re:Half-Life 3? (Score:5, Informative)

          by VGPowerlord (621254) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @01:22PM (#32525362)

          If it comes out this year, or in 2011, will people still want it? I'm sure it will hurt them, the engine is getting old, fans are feeling alienated. Way to blow a fantastic franchise Valve.

          The Source engine is continuously updated. The most recent version is the one used in Left 4 Dead 2, released in late 2009.

          As of right now, there are two major versions of the Source engine that are continuously bugfixed, and sometimes have features backported from the newer to the older:
          1. Orange Box Engine*, used by Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat: Source, and Counter-Strike: Source Beta (last updated 2010 May 18)
          2. Left 4 Dead 2 Engine, used by Left 4 Dead 2 (last updated 2010 June 09 (yesterday))

          Team Fortress 2 is being released for Mac today, so we may see an update for the Orange Box game engine as well.

          * The Orange Box engine was split into two separate engines during an engine update earlier this year. One version is used by HL2: Episode 2 and Portal, the other by Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat: Source, and Counter-Strike: Source Beta.

          • by IICV (652597)

            * The Orange Box engine was split into two separate engines during an engine update earlier this year. One version is used by HL2: Episode 2 and Portal, the other by Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat: Source, and Counter-Strike: Source Beta.

            That's an interesting split - one is optimized for online coherency, and the other for offline experience maybe?

            • * The Orange Box engine was split into two separate engines during an engine update earlier this year. One version is used by HL2: Episode 2 and Portal, the other by Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat: Source, and Counter-Strike: Source Beta.

              That's an interesting split - one is optimized for online coherency, and the other for offline experience maybe?

              I think it was more along the lines of not updating the single player games, but redoing how parts of the engine works for the online games. I learned that they

      • by Psaakyrn (838406)

        Think of it this way. Without episodic content, we wouldn't have HL2 yet.

    • They did. I believe it aired May 23 at 9pm. There were some glitches, such as names and faces changing, but the ending was about what you'd expect.

  • the revival of Duke Nukem, and it looks like neither will happen anytime soon

    There is only one sensible reaction from a sensible person:

    Noooooooooooooooo! Why, oh why? Nooooooooooooo!

    Repeat until nauseous

    • by TubeSteak (669689)

      Duke Nukem Forever will happen eventually.
      It's a huge pile of money sitting on the table, waiting for someone to pick it up.

      • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Well it needs to hurry up, that game is taking forever to happen.

      • I agree with you on this. We want Duke. We *need* Duke!
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Pharmboy (216950)

        Duke Nukem Forever will happen eventually.
        It's a huge pile of money sitting on the table, waiting for someone to pick it up.

        I have said the same of the 1997 game "Redneck Rampage" [wikipedia.org], which the rights has been bought and sold many times but no one has developed the next generation. Still one of the funnest FPS games ever made. There are rumors of a new version [incgamers.com] but they are only rumors. Granted, not exactly as big as Duke, but it was still a hugely successful game.

        As silly or goofy as the game might seem, it

        • The same goes for Elite - fantastic game, first sequel was decent, second sequel was terrible and nothing for 15 years :( I would love a modern Elite (EVE is almost it, but I would like something that doesn't tether me to the internet).
          • by mike2R (721965)

            I would love a modern Elite (EVE is almost it, but I would like something that doesn't tether me to the internet).

            It's called X3: Terran Conflict, published by a company called Egosoft. You can find an extremely well-written gameplay story here [egosoft.com] if you want to get an idea of the possibilities.

            See you in six months :)

          • Try Vega Strike [wikimedia.org]. Oolite keeps the same gameplay as elite but updated for modern hardware, Vega Strike keeps very similar gameplay but updates it a lot. You have multiple factions, a missions, different stations that produce different things. You can trade or fight, explore or do missions. In the last version, there was a nice trade route buying coffee on a planet and trading it for refined metals on an asteroid mine - unlike some other games, the commodity pricing actually makes sense.
            • by drinkypoo (153816)

              Vega Strike is very much the new Elite. Unfortunately it has a fake economy, all planets of a certain type will always buy certain commodities at a profitable price, and so on. When polled more users said they wanted continuous flight down to a planet than a functioning economy, even though the latter is way more important for a game in which you can trade, so it's doomed to continue to be basically a glorified arcade game for the foreseeable future.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by EllF (205050)
            X3 is great, but the best modern space sim I've played is an indie title (albeit, a very serious one by a dude who's been making space sims for over 10 years): Evochron Legends [starwraith.com].
        • by mcgrew (92797) *

          I have said the same of the 1997 game "Redneck Rampage"

          I think that was my all time second favorite game (right behind Quake). The sound track got me into Mojo Nixon music, too; "Lets go burn old Nashville Down", "Burn Down the Mall", "Stuffin' Martha's Muffins", "Gonna Tie My Pecker To My Leg".

          Oh, man, the nostalgia almost brings a tear to my eye. For those of you who haven't heard Mojo Nixon, well, you've heard of Punk Rock? Mojo Nixon is Punk Country.

          If anybody does a remake of Redneck Rampage I hope the

          • by Pharmboy (216950)

            And on that point, the fact that the CD contained 9 songs, AND the interface for choosing which song is playing in the game was an 8 track tape player, well, what more can you say? Even cooler was the fact that you could play the CD in ANY CD player, except that track 1 (data) was just noise.

            • by mcgrew (92797) *

              Even cooler was the fact that you could play the CD in ANY CD player, except that track 1 (data) was just noise.

              I had a few games like that, only better; Screamer, Screamer 2, Quake 2 (I don't remember of the first Quake was like that) -- the data wasn't on track 1.

              When you drive down the road with your stereo blasting the Quake 2 soundtrack, you get some really funny looks...

      • by Abstrackt (609015)

        Duke Nukem Forever will happen eventually. It's a huge pile of money sitting on the table, waiting for someone to pick it up.

        It's also the laughingstock of games and the posterchild for vaporware.

        Personally, I wouldn't touch that steaming pile of shame with a ten foot pole.

        • by AdamThor (995520)

          which is why you save the publicity until after you've finished the project. If you announce you're starting work on it everyone will roll their eyes, but if you announce that you've gone gold then everyone will freak out.

    • by elrous0 (869638) *
      There are a lot of franchises that were once "money on the table" that have been allowed to die or stagnate for whatever reason. LucasArts could have made a fortune with a console release of Knights of the Old Republic 3, but it never happened. The Castlevania series never got a modern entry. The Doom franchise seems to be sitting this generation out. And those are just a few. Duke Nuke'em may seem like money on the table, but it takes a *lot* of money to develop a modern game these days. That's a big up-f
    • There is only one sensible reaction from a sensible person:

      That after the long ridiculous development process that apperantly still isn't there, there is no way duke nukem forever could be anything other than a terrible amalgamation of different visions. Much like "Too Human" took forever to come out and was pretty poorly executed.

      I am by no means an expert on the game industry, but I'm guessing a new duke nukem game won't come out for a long time. You want to buy the rights to duke nukem? Alright, half the cost will be buying what we have made on "Duke nukem fo

  • Eh... (Score:1, Troll)

    by f3rret (1776822)

    I really have a hard time getting exited about these sorts of things anymore. I mean Portal and HL2 are good games and all but still they're just games.

    Ostensibly whatever it is Valve is going to be revealing at E3 is going to be a game, a new game perhaps or something like that. Either way it's hard to get exited about.

    • Re:Eh... (Score:5, Funny)

      by sammyF70 (1154563) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @06:15AM (#32521606) Homepage Journal
      Which might be the reason why it's in slashdot/games ... I'm just guessing here of course.
    • by AndrewStephens (815287) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @06:29AM (#32521656) Homepage

      Ostensibly whatever it is Valve is going to be revealing at E3 is going to be a game, a new game perhaps or something like that.

      +1 Insightful

    • Re:Eh... (Score:5, Funny)

      by xtracto (837672) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @06:43AM (#32521692) Journal

      Ostensibly whatever it is Valve is going to be revealing at E3 is going to be a game, a new game perhaps or something like that. Either way it's hard to get exited about.

      OMG Sherlock, have you got inside info or something?
      You mean that what a game publisher company will reveal at an Electronic Entertainment Expo is ... wait for it, a video game. Man, you really got amazing inference skills!

      Now, that you do not get excited about that only means that you do not care about such type of entertainment; but hey, that's a completely different stories.

      • by Tei (520358)

        Ok, the joke is fun, but is poking fun about a guy that is doing something different than you think.

        A game studio can release:
        - A patch that enhancs the original game in a dramaticall way
        - A teaming with other studio
        - Buying the license to X
        - A Expansion Pack
        - A DLC (see above)
        - Buying another studio
        - ...

        Now.. Velve manage Steam, there are lots of things that can affect steam and are newswhorty:
        - Steam going "standalone" as a separate company (

        • by Robadob (1800074)
          I thought about their 'big surprise' at e3 being steam for linux because its been implied multiple times that that's in the works. However it wouldn't be much of a big surprise considering how most of the source fanboys wont even have heard of linux. And for steam supported inside xbox360 as a game acquiring tool, surely Microsoft wouldn't allow that because they wouldn't be making the profit?
    • Re:Eh... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by brunes69 (86786) <slashdot&keirstead,org> on Thursday June 10, 2010 @06:51AM (#32521724) Homepage

      Why do you have the Slashdot/Games section on if you don't care about games?

    • Re:Eh... (Score:5, Funny)

      by quantumplacet (1195335) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @07:06AM (#32521794)

      Man are you gonna look stupid when Valve releases the cure for cancer at E3 this year.

      • by MrHanky (141717)

        Well, perhaps not a cure, but cancer will be a lot more pleasant when you make a game out of it.

      • by St.Anne (651391)
        <quote><p>Man are you gonna look stupid when Valve releases the cure for cancer at E3 this year.</p></quote>

        Unfortunately it's the cure for Thumb Cancer, brought about by playing too many video games...
    • by ledow (319597)

      I don't see the point in getting excited about any press release to be honest. When something pops up in my Steam window saying I can "buy game X now" then I can get excited about the prospect of a new game / addon / etc. More likely, unless it's cheap, I'll wait for some other pillock to try it first and then tell me if it's any good. Until the time I can actually play it, it's vapour and I refuse to be coaxed into seeking out information, giving ad views, pre-ordering or any other nonsense. I don't do

      • by cowscows (103644)

        Wow, that's some first class complaining there.

        While you're busy writing essays about how much it sucks that everything in the world isn't perfect, the rest of us will continue to enjoy talking about things we find interesting, enjoy well done or amusing advertising, and not go around looking for a reason to hate every single thing we see or read about.

  • by silentcoder (1241496) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @06:33AM (#32521668) Homepage

    safely addapt Stephen Hawking's theory to this situation and state that laws of the universe conspire to prevent anybody ever actually finishing the development of Duke Nukem Forever.
    True the evidence is purely anecdotal, but then the same goes for his original application of the concept to time machines so that's alright then.

    • by MichaelSmith (789609) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @06:57AM (#32521756) Homepage Journal

      safely addapt Stephen Hawking's theory to this situation and state that laws of the universe conspire to prevent anybody ever actually finishing the development of Duke Nukem Forever.
      True the evidence is purely anecdotal, but then the same goes for his original application of the concept to time machines so that's alright then.

      There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

    • by elrous0 (869638) *
      It's already happened somewhere in the multiverse, so all we have to do is establish a link to a universe where 3D Realms wasn't made up of a bunch of lazy fucktards and steal a copy.
      • >It's already happened somewhere in the multiverse, so all we have to do is establish a link to a universe where 3D Realms wasn't made up of a bunch of lazy fucktards and steal a copy.

        The multiverse theory only predicts the existence of any POSSIBLE universe. A universe like you describe would probably require a radical rethink of the entire nature of time to even be conceivable...

      • by AvitarX (172628)

        No, simply one where the finished game was released.

        The articles about the demise appear to hint that twice it was almost released, and quite awesome.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The metaphorical cake (duke nukem forever) is a lie!

    • by delinear (991444)

      The metaphorical cake (duke nukem forever) is a lie!

      Duke Nukem's not really like cake. It's more like bubblegum. And Valve're all outta gum.

  • Makes sense (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheRealQuestor (1750940) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @07:16AM (#32521852)
    If they admitted that it was either of them there wouldn't be much point of a surprise then.
  • From now on, if there's a project, company, or anything that's taking a very long tome to complete or doesn't look like it'll ever be completed, we can now say "It's been Duke Nukemed!"

    A new manager becomes in charge of a project and the finish date gets pushed out: "Yeah, this new guy Duke Nukemed our project. I'm gonna be laid off!"

    Obama has Duke Nukemed the Moon landing and Ares project - for a real World example.

    Or, Polaroid was a great company but digital Duke Nukemed the company.

    We can do this! Come

    • by mr_mischief (456295) on Thursday June 10, 2010 @07:55AM (#32522056) Journal

      There have been several good Duke Nukem games actually finished and released, you realize? This one is "Duke Nukem Forever". So one might say "Duke Nukem Forever'ed", or just "DNF'ed". "DNF" has a long history from auto racing (and probably from other racing before that). It's an abbreviation for "did not finish", which is apropos for the game.

      So I think you'll find "DNF" is the phrasing of choice for such a situation, really.

      • by pellik (193063)
        Better would be to say drivers duke nukem when they don't finish a race.
      • So when my wife SMS'es me after my monthly duty and I head downstairs for a bear, she is NOT telling me "Dude, Nice Fuck"? Damn, what does she want from me. TWO seconds?!?

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by mobby_6kl (668092)

          I was always meaning to ask somebody about this situation. How do you keep your bear from destroying the basement? I can get mine to stay calm for a while, but eventually it gets pissed off and goes berserk on anything that happened to be in there. Once it even managed to get upstairs and ransack through the kitchen, eating everything I had prepared for dinner. Needless to say, it's a huge pain in the ass and I'm considering some drastic actions at this point, so any tips would be appreciated.
          TIA

  • Full Press Release (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 10, 2010 @08:53AM (#32522374)
    VALVE ANNOUNCES MAKING GAMES IS HARD
    June 9, 2010 — Aperture Science, doing business as Aperture Laboratories LLC, in partnership with Valve today announced the successful completion of an ethics-review-panel-supervised release date restructuring process. Portal 2, the sequel to the ground-breaking title that earned over 30 Game of the Year awards despite missing its original ship date, is now targeted for a 2011 release.

    Representatives from both companies acknowledged that public safety concerns factored into the decision. They went on to say that even though Portal 2 will arrive slightly later than planned, all life on earth won’t instantaneously stop as every molecule in your body explodes at the speed of light, which is what would happen should a rip ever appear in the fabric of Valve Time.

    “Also, the game will be even better,” they added, missing an historic opportunity to create the first product delay press release to mention that a product is being delayed to make it worse.

    To ask questions about how close we all came to dying, or to ask futile questions about the previously announced E3 ***PORTAL-2-THEMED-FOR-GOD’S SAKE*** surprise or, less futilely, to schedule an appointment to attend a Portal 2 screening at the Valve booth during E3, please contact Valve’s delegate to the EU’s Valve Time Studies Group, Doug Lombardi.
  • Another rumour was of a new source engine, as far as I know valve has not yet ruled this out, so the surprise could be that portal 2 will be the first game on the new source engine? In the concept art that has been released you can see plants, and generally plants do not look very good in the current source engine, so I hope that a new engine is used otherwise this will look very dated.
    • And given the art surrounding portal 2, that would make sense. I believe the supposed box cover had quite a bit of flora.

  • by rwa2 (4391) * on Thursday June 10, 2010 @10:41AM (#32523434) Homepage Journal

    Hopefully they're delaying Portal 2 so they can dedicate their best and brightest to port Steam and all their Source games over to Linux by the end of this summer:
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1 [phoronix.com]

    I just sold my old gaming rig (Dual SMP Athlon XP-M + nVidia Geforce 6800GS), so if Valve pulls this off, I wouldn't need to buy a new Windows gaming machine to go alongside my Linux system (Dual core Athlon II + nVidia Geforce 8800GT), and would be happy to spend the money on new Steam games instead :-P

    Yes, wistful thinking, I know :P

    • why not dual boot?

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Fallingcow (213461)

        Or run Linux in VirtualBox.

        If you don't use Linux for 3D stuff, it feels damn-near native on a modern machine. No more rebooting. Bonus: you don't have to install duplicate apps in both environments (like OpenOffice).

    • Re: (Score:1, Flamebait)

      by spire3661 (1038968)
      Hey genius, you dont put your best and brightest on a project that is a guaranteed revenue LOSS. Linux gaming is a lost cause, please stop asking for dev resources to be wasted on it. Once you can get a desktop userbase that exceeds Apple's, then you can start asking.. There is no reason why you cant pony up $120 for a gaming OS.
      • by rwa2 (4391) *

        Hey genius, you dont put your best and brightest on a project that is a guaranteed revenue LOSS. Linux gaming is a lost cause, please stop asking for dev resources to be wasted on it. Once you can get a desktop userbase that exceeds Apple's, then you can start asking..

        You haven't been working for Aperture Labs for very long, have you...

        There is no reason why you cant pony up $120 for a gaming OS.

        Sure there is, I'm poor (AKA married with children) and whenever it comes to a decision between a buying a gaming OS or hardware, the hardware always wins :P

  • Did hardwarecanucks even read the press release they wrote about?

    The press release mentions neither Episode 3 nor Duke Nukem. So where the hell did the "Looks like all those rumors about Duke Nukem rising from the grave or Half Life 3 putting in an appearance have been shot down in one fell swoop. Sorry folks. " comment come from?

    • It came from this:

      To ask questions about how close we all came to dying, or to ask futile questions about the previously announced E3 ***PORTAL-2-THEMED-FOR-GOD'S SAKE*** surprise or, less futilely, to schedule an appointment to attend a Portal 2 screening at the Valve booth during E3, please contact Valve's delegate to the EU's Valve Time Studies Group, Doug Lombardi.

      The rumors were about the "surprise" being Half-Life 3 or Duke Nukem Forever.

  • Is it really necessary for anyone to announce that Duke Nukem is not forthcoming?

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