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FPS Games That Need a Remake 518

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kube00 writes "With the release and successful sales of Goldeneye 007 on the Wii, this opens the doors for other 90s FPS game remakes. Games like Jedi Knight, Red Rampage and Tribes could all use remakes and would look great with next-generation graphics. Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that lets gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer."
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FPS Games That Need a Remake

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  • Duke Nukem (Score:5, Funny)

    by cosm (1072588) <thecosm3@nospaM.gmail.com> on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:44PM (#34301882)
    Oh wait.
  • That what? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let's gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer.

    You just wrote "Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let is gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer."

    • by cosm (1072588)

      Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let's gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer.

      You just wrote "Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let is gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer."

      Or perhaps 'let' just happens to be the possessor of the gamers.

    • by Haeleth (414428)

      Or more likely let us.

      But more problematically, exactly who is going to choose to play as Jar Jar? And who is going to want to play multiplayer with the kind of person who would choose to play as Jar Jar?

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Jar Jar is the ultimate character to teabag opponents with. Nothing compares to the humiliation of a Gungan's junk engulfing the screen after you just got pwned.

      • by fotbr (855184)

        exactly who is going to choose to play as Jar Jar?

        Someone who's drunk enough to think that it would be funny.

        And who is going to want to play multiplayer with the kind of person who would choose to play as Jar Jar?

        Other drunks.

        • by Lumpy (12016) on Monday November 22, 2010 @09:13AM (#34304948) Homepage

          I played many a Quake III tourneys as Barney the dinosaur. It usually made it more fun for me as everyone would gang up to kill me and that made it far more interesting and a challenge.

          Plus nothing like getting Rocket jump ambushed as you come around the corner by a purple dinosaur.

      • by retchdog (1319261)

        Each client can just re-skin other players as Jar Jar... ideally, the bottom 20% or so.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by larry bagina (561269)
      how about Star Wars: TSA screener? There's been too much terrorism and planetary destruction, so everyone needs to be screened before flying. Here's your chance to make sure princess Padme doesn't have anything hidden in her coochie. You can also arrest jar-jar for not wearing pants. How can you be sure he doesn't have a bomb strapped to his leg if you can't check his pants!!?!?!!?
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Firehed (942385)

        "Hey Leia, I know you're already having a lousy day from the whole being Jabba's slave thing, but your metallic clothing is setting off the metal detector. Please step over here..."

    • by sanman2 (928866) on Monday November 22, 2010 @12:54AM (#34302924)

      I think Zork would look great with the latest generation of graphics. Would be a tremendous improvement.

  • by Sowelu (713889) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:46PM (#34301894)
    Seriously, this is terrible.
  • by WoRLoKKeD (1142351) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:49PM (#34301910)

    Firstly, take Tribes 2. Take as many of the original team as possible, and make them replay their game.
    Then, add to that. Improve the netcode and get 64x64 players running smoothly as a minimum. Play with some of the community-made enhancements and mods, perhaps integrate them.
    Thirdly, more maps. Larger maps, open and with a great many routes.
    Fourth, include a well-optimized in-game VoIP system.
    Finally, upgrade the graphics. This is the LEAST important part, but it'd be nice.

    Create this game for the PC and then port it to consoles if it will work well, and congratulations. You've just made the best FPS ever.

    • by bhcompy (1877290) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:52PM (#34301942)
      Tribes 1 was superior to Tribes 2. Otherwise, I like the cut of your jib.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Blakey Rat (99501)

      Tribes 1 with the Shifter V.1 mod was much better than Tribes 2. I always said Tribes 2 *should* have been the Shifter mod with new graphics, bam, game done.

      Tribes 2's real claim to fame is "most botched game sequel ever."

      • Tribes 2's real claim to fame is "most botched game sequel ever."

        Now that's a funny way of spelling Tribes: Vengeance.

      • by Thalagyrt (851883)

        If Tribes 2 is the most botched game sequel ever, then what the hell is Tribes: Vengeance?

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Blakey Rat (99501)

          A sane person who bought Tribes 2 would not also buy Tribes: Vengeance. Therefore, I've never played it.

          • by Thalagyrt (851883)

            You have a good point, haha. The Tribes community (yep, still exists, I'm still a part of it because I don't know when to give things up) pretty much are T:V deniers. IT NEVER HAPPENED!

    • by TOGSolid (1412915) on Monday November 22, 2010 @02:38AM (#34303340)
      It's called Firefall sir. Look it up. :D
  • by IICV (652597) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:53PM (#34301946)

    Tribes is kinda sorta being remade - it's not really a Tribe remake so much as the clumsy, bastard offspring of Tribes and Planetside with some antlions mixed in for kicks. The in-game footage I've seen has none of Tribes' grace, though apparently there are some Tribes devs on the team so it might not turn out to be completely bad.

    They're calling it Firefall [firefallthegame.com], and I am prepared to be disappoint.

  • Rise of the triad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by assemblerex (1275164) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:55PM (#34301970)
    Ohpleaseohplease
  • Would that perhaps be some kind of Jedi Outcast? [wikipedia.org]

    I know 2002 was a long time ago for those who are only entering high school in 2010, but seriously, an eight year old game is not that old, and it's a classic for the ages.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Nermal6693 (622898)

      Jedi Outcast was a sequel, not a remake.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by lennier (44736)

        Strictly speaking yes. But it was a sequel that was heavily influenced by both Dark Forces and Jedi Knight in both level design and story, importing elements from both to the point of nearly 'remaking' them both. That's why it started you out without a lightsaber so you could do DF-style Imperial base runs and mine crawls, and then gave you a lightsaber later. Story-wise, it had the Valley of the Jedi mythos and a renegade Jedi mixed with a Dark Trooper-style Imperial mass production project. It really did

  • That's assuming... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by hipp5 (1635263) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:57PM (#34301988)
    That's assuming they can get these remakes right. That being said, I'd love to see a good remake of Battlefield 1942 for PC. Seriously don't change anything. Just bring the graphics up to modern standards.
    • by jshackney (99735)

      I was going to cast my vote for River Raid or Zaxxon.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Skater (41976)
      Test Drive 2: The Duel comes to mind. Update the physics and graphics, but keep the gameplay as fun as it was then. Pretend Test Drive 3: The Passion doesn't exist.
  • by Fallingcow (213461) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:58PM (#34301996) Homepage

    From what I've read, they've removed the best parts of the game and turned it in to a mediocre Modern Warfare clone (and given that Modern Warfare is, itself, pretty mediocre, that's saying something).

    No bots(!!!), no weapon pickups (so you can't have a proximity mine match unless everyone picks the "class" that has them, for example) and horrible framerate issues when there are explosions in multiplayer.

    That's what I've read. Can anyone who has it verify that this is accurate? If so, let's hope that's not the kind of "re-make" we're in store for with other older FPS games--re-makes that gut the original of what made it great.

    As for my own FPS re-make wish list:

    Deus Ex
    System Shock 1 and 2
    The Gunman Chronicles
    Dark Forces
    Thief (all of them, even 3 could use a re-make)

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      FYI two of the issues that you've listed are part of the original. Goldeneye 64 didn't have bots either (They were added in Perfect Dark) as well it had horrible framerate issues when there were explosions in multiplayer.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by shish (588640)

      Deus Ex

      It's not a remake, but the nameless mod [thenamelessmod.com] is basically deus ex with the bugs fixed, compatible with the high-def graphics pack, some cool gameplay elements added, and a new plot (which seems silly when described, but having actually played the game, I'd say it's easily on a par with the original - maybe even better, as TNM has multiple plot branches all the way through compared to the original's single branch at the very end)

  • by MintOreo (1849326) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @09:59PM (#34302010)
    Done by someone who can actually direct, like Christopher Nolan.

    Oh, FPS games, nevermind.
  • by joeflies (529536) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:02PM (#34302018)

    It seems like FPS are still alive and well, even if it isn't the same IP from the 90s. There are some genres from the 90s that completely died off.

    What happened to the space flight simulators of the 90s? Lucasarts can't make a better X-Wing with modern technology nowadays? The last great space flight sim was Freelancer or HomeWorld and that was 10 years ago. That genre completely disappeared.

    What about the great god games of the 90s? I still play populous the Beginning, partly because I like the game but mostly because there hasn't been any newer game that has the same kind of fun to it.

    • by EdIII (1114411)

      Absolutely.

      Microprose had a game (maybe in the 80's?) called The Legacy. Was not full FPS, by any stretch. Basically, you chose a direction to go and it changed the screen. Walking down hallways was a series of "steps".

      The plot and detail of the game though was what made it a classic to me. Very worthy of a complete remake just from the story alone. Just add better graphics and full FPS engine behind it and I think it could stand on its own with any game today, including Portal.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by spencerogden (49254)

        How about Combat Flight Sims? Seems like pretty slim pickings lately. Mostly more Arcade style than proper Sims like Falcon. And what about Formula 1, is GP4 still the best that can be done?

    • by Change (101897)
      Homeworld was a space-based RTS, not a flight sim. It was fun though. Freespace 2 has a lot of community work [indiegames.us] going into it to update the models and effects. There are also several total conversion projects including a Babylon 5 [hard-light.net] conversion and a Wing Commander conversion. [wcsaga.com] (Oh, how I miss Wing Commander...
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by WCLPeter (202497)

        Oh, how I miss Wing Commander...

        100% agreed. They could repackage the exact same story, missions, everything (throw in some voice overs with Malcom McDowell, Mark Hamill, and John Rhys-Davies to maintain consistency with Wings 3, 4, and 5, which would also be released with remastered footage on a Blu-Ray disc so I could play the whole thing without swapping discs) and I'd pre-order right now and be there opening day to pay full retail for all 5 of them. Also, if possible, I'd love to see a Mac port, I hat

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by drinkypoo (153816)

      You have it exactly. Put new models and textures into Tie Fighter and I'd buy it all over again.

  • No System Shock? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by GrumblyStuff (870046) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:03PM (#34302024)

    How disappointing.

    The game was waaaay ahead of its time with a large variety of weapons, alternate ammo and power modes, gobs of explosives and grenades and landmines, upgrades for the player (jumpjet boots, powered skates, night/infrared vision, a camera for the back of your freaking head!), stat boosting drugs with side effects, objectives/tasks, cyberspace in that laughable 1990's 3d style... Oh, it's glorious. AND IT WAS RELEASED IN 1994!

    I suppose I'll just have to keep hoping to interest in remaking the engine [sourceforge.net] or remaking the game using the System Shock 2 engine [ttlg.com] rekindles.

    At least Thief got a decent remake of sorts on Doom 3 engine. http://www.thedarkmod.com/ [thedarkmod.com]

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by nine-times (778537)
      Similarly, Thief: The Dark Project. Great level design, fun weapons, and to this day it might be the best stealth game ever. Extra-awesome if you try to ghost through all the levels. Unfortunately Thief 3 was not very good.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by TitusC3v5 (608284)
      Glad to see someone mention these two gems. System Shock 1/2 and the Thief Series were among the best games released during their time. The day Looking Glass Studios closed their doors was the day that a significant portion of my faith in the PC gaming industry died. It seemed sick and cruel that such an innovative company could wither and die due to lack of profit while Blizzard ranked in cash hand over foot with a mediocre sequel to a mind-numbingly boring game (Diablo II).
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Jesus_666 (702802)
      Shock 2 is more important. Why? Because Shock 1 runs adequately in DOSBox while it's almost impossible to play through Shock 2 nowadays unless you have a vintage 1998 computer running Windows 98 around. The Dark Engine was nifty but it's incredibly bad with regards to upward compatibility.

      Yes, I know of OpenDarkEngine but OPDE doesn't look like it'll get to a playable state in appreciable time.
  • by Joe The Dragon (967727) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:08PM (#34302040)

    Shadow Warrior

    Also doom needs a good remake and not the doom3 mess we got.

  • by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:09PM (#34302052)

    Is Tie Fighter. All time greatest space shooty, it just needs to be able to run on modern hardware without messing around with emulators.

    I've never understood why Lucasarts doesn't remake it. It did real well, fans love it and have wanted a remake forever, and it would be pretty cheap. Reason it would be cheap is that a lot of the development is done already. They already have high quality models and textures for all the Star Wars ships, and those are by far the largest amount of graphics assets in the game. Since it is a remake all the mission design can stay as is. Mostly you need a new engine, and some voice actors. Put it all together and you have a remake fans want. Still wouldn't be bargain basement to produce, but you'd get a AAA game on the price of a much lesser title.

    I'm happy to see new properties as well, don't get me wrong. I don't think we should have nothing but game remakes, but sometimes a game comes along that is just great. It is extremely fun and worth playing. Those sort of things are good to remake every so often, to bring them to new technology and new gamers.

    Tie Fighter is by far the most in need of that in my opinion, in particular since space shooties are so rare these days.

  • Controls (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Aladrin (926209) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:14PM (#34302084)

    I'd be happy with remakes of a lot of old games with simply better controls.

    I have very, very fond memories of Wolfenstein 3D, Doom and Duke Nukem, but when I tried to replay them recently, I realized how horrible the controls were. Straging by itself makes a huge difference in a game.

    Graphics are nice, but hardly reason enough to remake a game.

    • by gringer (252588)

      Straging by itself makes a huge difference in a game

      I presume you accidentally strafed the 'f' key in that statement.

    • by Hatta (162192)

      You could strafe in doom, and Duke 3d even had mouse look. You should be able to customize the controls to something usable, but the enhanced source ports are the best way to play them these days.

  • Why FPSes? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 0xdeadbeef (28836) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:15PM (#34302090) Homepage Journal

    Give Homeworld the modern graphics it deserves.

  • I presume the poster meant the excellent redneck rampage? And yes, that should get a remake! And fast!
  • Bungie's Marathon (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AHuxley (892839) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:35PM (#34302182) Homepage Journal
    was added to Unreal Tournament.
    http://resurrection.bungie.org/images.html [bungie.org]
    Aleph One does exist to make sure the game can run on todays Mac, Windows and Linux (and other OS) - but a pro remake beyond MS xbox limits would be nice :)
  • Very few (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Junta (36770) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:35PM (#34302186)

    One aspect of low tech level of a game is that the player fills out some of the details with their imagination, and in a way, viewed the game in a customized way that suits their tastes.

    When a remake comes along, things will change. Presume that the original creative staff is involved and does the remake even without changing their minds about any existing details. They will still flesh out the material according to their original vision, bringing out details that may not work well with how your imagination filled in the blanks. It could be cosmetic, where conversion from 2D sprite or low-detail, untextured model to high-detail textured 3D model didn't present what you'd expect. It could be voice-actor work reading the original script completely not matching what you thought the character would sound like. It could even be entirely different dialog, as the developers didn't have time to write more content or didn't have the room, or it was written in a foreign language and different translations would be used.

    There are exceptions of course. X-Wing/TIE-Fighter represent a sufficiently detailed universe that it would take a lot of screwing around to create a remake that would disagree with players' previous experience. Some games had detailed cut scenes laying out pretty well how things should look, and these could probably do an ok job with a remake.

  • As a OO7 Fanboy, the issue I have with the new GoldenEye game is that they captured Daniel Craig as Bond. They should have captured Brosnan, like they did with Connery for the "From Russia with Love" game of a few years back. I *suppose* I wouldn't have a problem with it, were it not for the fact that they re-booted the series with Craig, so in effect the GoldenEye mission never happened - Craig's Bond isn't the same Bond that Brosnan/Dalton et al's Bond was.
  • Easy one: Descent (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LynnwoodRooster (966895) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:37PM (#34302206) Journal
    You could make it work with a controller AND a motion detector (Kinect, Move, etc) so that you can use the controller for weapons/maps, and body movements for ship control.
  • I wanna see a new FPS game set in the C&C universe.
    Since none seems forthcoming from Electronic Arts, I will have to make do with Red Alert: A Path Beyond, Reborn and Red Alert 2: Apocolypse Rising plus all the unofficial 3rd party engine enhancements (enhancements that I happen to be lead programmer of) that underly these 3 mods :)

    The Renegade engine has held up surprisingly well given its age.

  • please don't (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Punto (100573) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .botnup.> on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:45PM (#34302234) Homepage

    if "remake" means "slow it and dumb it down so that people can play it with console controllers" then please don't do it

  • I'd love to see remakes of Jedi Knight and (especially) Quake. A remake of Quake with all the same levels, monsters and gameplay, but with just the rendering quality updated, would be my perfect game. Also I really liked Kingpin, although I'm not so sure it needs remade. Can't really explain why, I just have a feeling that it works best as a fond memory.

    • by pinkj (521155)

      A remake of Quake with all the same levels, monsters and gameplay, but with just the rendering quality updated, would be my perfect game.

      Tenebrae [sourceforge.net]
      Darkplaces [icculus.org]

  • Daggerfall (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Samah (729132) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:50PM (#34302268)
    Seriously. First Person RPG, but a decent remake would be epic. That world was HUGE. Not Minecraft huge, but it'd take you many hours to walk from one side of the country to the other. That's not even including the convoluted procedural dungeons.
  • I've been replaying it lately - it runs reasonably well in DOSBox. A remake could be dreadful, but it could also be great.

  • by Posting=!Working (197779) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @11:12PM (#34302372)

    They need to release an updated graphics package for Adventure. I can't wait to play this game as a high definition square block.

  • Magic Carpet is one of my all time favourite games and, to my knowledge, no game since it's release back in 1994 has similar gameplay.

    The game is very much an FPS at its core, and, like a good FPS, there is a lot of strategy in it. You fly around on a carpet trying to build your castle while you fight off enemy wizards, which are either controlled by AI or other players. Killing monsters drops balls of mana which you cast a possession spell on so that balloons from your castle will go out and pickup the man

  • by pookemon (909195)
    MW2 - with dedicated servers and some kind of anti cheat system. Maybe a kick vote system too.
  • I want Oni back. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WaroDaBeast (1211048) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @11:23PM (#34302448)
    Yeah, I know; not an FPS. Still, Oni needs a remake. With less dull colors though, please, 'cause everytime I played that game, it felt like an episode of Derrick vs color TV.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by jack2000 (1178961)
      Oh yes, Oni a million times yes. I loved that game. Reinstalled it recently and got through it in a single sitting.
      I'm a big fps and fighter games fan and there definitely need to be more stuff like Oni.
  • Hexen (Score:5, Interesting)

    by d6 (1944790) on Sunday November 21, 2010 @11:36PM (#34302488)
    Hexen [wikipedia.org] was a lot of fun. I'd love to see it updated
  • by grapeape (137008) <mpope7@NOSpam.kc.rr.com> on Sunday November 21, 2010 @11:42PM (#34302508) Homepage

    Both are nearly forgotten but both were fundamental in establishing the genre.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 21, 2010 @11:47PM (#34302524)

    Wing Commander 1 & 2 basically revolutionized PC graphics expectations, story, game engine, etc. Give it some love.

  • Strife (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Tyler Eaves (344284) on Monday November 22, 2010 @12:32AM (#34302808)

    How about Strife? A very early (and largely successful) FPS-RPG. Was based on I think like the Doom2 or Hexen engine.

  • by Khyber (864651) <techkitsune@gmail.com> on Monday November 22, 2010 @01:44AM (#34303140) Homepage Journal

    DESCENT.

    I think that would be the shit.

  • by Gaygirlie (1657131) <(gaygirlie) (at) (hotmail.com)> on Monday November 22, 2010 @03:46AM (#34303624) Homepage

    I really miss Little Big Adventure. It wasn't about killing everything as fast as possible, it was about a journey through a great story, great atmosphere, and logic. With updated graphics but everything else kept intact exactly as it was, including the gameplay, it could still stand to gather quite a few players. LBA2 wasn't as good, but it too was still worth playing and could do with updated graphics, but it'd probably also benefit from slightly improving the gameplay.

    Anyone else who misses LBA? Or is there some other game you enjoyed back then and which wasn't about killing everything in sight?

  • Interstate '76 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Aggrajag (716041) on Monday November 22, 2010 @11:16AM (#34306080)

    Ok, this is not exactly a FPS but I've never managed to play it with other than software rendering.

    I'll vote for NOLF 1 & 2 as well.

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