The Most Violent Video Games of All Time 287
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adeelarshad82 writes "Switzerland and Australia already feel that violent video games are an issue, and in June the US Supreme Court will also take matters in its own hands. Revisiting some of the most violent video games made over the last couple of decades shows exactly why this is such a huge concern." Warning: this slideshow contains imaginary violence.
Almost all video games are extremely violent. (Score:2, Insightful)
The real motivation (Score:5, Insightful)
Violent video games make ME uncomfortable. Therefore, nobody should be allowed to make or play them.
Most laws that forbid civil liberties are based on this thought process, though they all have completely different ostensible justifications.
Religion makes ME uncomfortable (Score:4, Insightful)
Violent video games make ME uncomfortable. Therefore, nobody should be allowed to make or play them
I don't like people who talk about their religion to me. My solution? No, I don't want to ban religion. I just avoid it. Don't go to church, avoid people who talk about religion.
Even though thousands of years of history prove that religion motivates people to perform the most atrocious violence, I'm not proposing to ban religion.
Therefore I cannot understand why people want to ban games without even presenting credible evidence that games cause any harm.
Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (Score:5, Interesting)
Sometimes violence can be a learning experience.
When I watched the videos of Russian soldiers having their heads cut off, Jews being burned in furnaces, cats being set on fire "for fun", and a Ukranian man having his face bashed in by two teen boys, it taught me the world is a violent and disgusting place filled with dark, deranged people.
Had these videos been censored, I'd still naively think everyone is good.
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By the way the Supreme Court decision is obvious - enforce the law as written. "Congress shall not prohibit free speech... free press..."
If it's felt that needs to be changed, then let the Member States amend the Union government's constitution to ban violent speech. It is not the job of the Court to do anything else but enforce the law.
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And end up with the bad situation they have in Alabama with their bajillion page state constitution? No thanks. What really needs to happen is for people to recognize that the constitution was never intended to be all inclusive and literal in its nature. Or have you missed the bit where nowhere in the constitution does it state that everything is to be taken literally as you choose to interpret it later on? It was written to handle events in the future which couldn't be foreseen by them, which would be impo
The Job of a Judge (Score:3)
Actually, the 9th and 10th Amendments make it pretty darn clear that it was to be taken as a closed document even if the copious notes and essays from the founding period did not (which they do). The Founders very explicitly and directly wanted to create a limited government of expressly delegated powers, one with a more powerful central government than under the Articles of Confederation, true, but strictly limited in nature nevertheless. Many people said so publicly and no one said otherwise--- not in the
Media Violence researchers have no leg to stand on (Score:2)
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Even though thousands of years of history prove that religion motivates people to perform the most atrocious violence, I'm not proposing to ban religion.
Thousands of years of history tell us no such thing. They tell us that religion can be used both for good and for bad, thus indicating that the cause of the atrocities you mention is rooted somewhere else, not in religion.
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I cannot understand why people want to ban games without even presenting credible evidence that games cause any harm.
It is a scape-goat thing. Persons who are convinced that the games are to blame do not have to exert the effort to look for any other cause.
This is a pure example of evil at work. These persons in their righteous indignation will actively get in the way of others who are using more reasoned or even scientific approaches to finding causes and effecting solutions. These persons do not want a solution; they want to be part of a Crusade. Because Crusaders are never wrong, and the comfort of not being wrong is
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Well is it so shocking people think differently from you?
For the life of me, I cannot comprehend why the average person doesn't want something like school choice... and yet... I know these people exist.
Why do you want to dis-empower yourself and give it to some bureaucratic entity?
I don't know... but people do.
There is one theory that I'm increasingly thinking is probable (not mine... read it in a book I cannot recall right now).
People have a natural desire to be told what to do. In every society there is
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If there's even a chance that something could cause harm, it must be immediately banned!
If the criminal wasn't born in the first place, they wouldn't commit crimes. Outlaw reproduction!
Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (Score:5, Funny)
i got a flashback to Demolition Man just then...
"spicy food is bad for you and hence it is illegal"
Re:Religion makes ME uncomfortable (Score:5, Insightful)
Aggression or Frustration?
They are very similar when it comes to gaming, but neither make you a murderer, unless you have the capacity to murder.
Losing your job is frustrating. People have murdered their boss or taken it out on someone. Shall we make firing people illegal?
ALL competitive sports, which are GAMES.... are both frustrating and generate aggression.
Games arent always fun. It shows a lack of intelligence by anyone to think that a challenging form of entertainment will be blissful. A challenge is frustrating at times.
Perhaps the problem is the human condition, and not the stimuli that we chose to blame this week.
Cancer is frustrating. It will make you angry.
A broken car can make you angry. Injustice can make you angry... Republicans can make you angry, and Democrats can make you lose hope in politics.
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if watching kittens or going to church was the only thing a mass murderer did to entertain himself, would you raise idea to ban these things?
Well... they ARE banned/censored for the children. (Score:2)
they must be banned/censored for the children!
There is this thing called Entertainment Software Rating Board... [wikipedia.org]
Lazy parents make ME uncomfortable (Score:5, Insightful)
But then the spoiled rotten "what about me?" generation might actually have to...oh I don't know...RAISE THEIR OWN DAMNED KIDS instead of handing them over to mommy government! Gasp! they might actually have to get involved and shit instead of just plopping them in front of electronic babysitters! The horror!
Sadly I wish that was a fricking joke, but it ain't, as I have seen waaaaaay too many of my boys little school chums being raised by electronic babysitters. No books in the home, no real meaningful interaction, just plop them in front of (insert DVD, X360,PC,etc) and let it "keep them out of my hair".
When my sister was struck down by MS and her husband decided that "taking care of a sick wife and two kids ain't for me" and skipped town I took it upon myself to be the best damned parent I could be despite deciding years ago not to have kids, and by God that is what I did, even when my back was so messed up from a car wreck they had to climb on a table just to get a hug or picked up.
I didn't care about them playing violent games because I sat down and educated them by showing how what they saw was created on screen**, how scripting created the illusion of AI, how DOOM wads (dating myself here) could be edited to stick pictures of them in the game. I also didn't just stick them in front of a damned screen, even though many nights the pain in my back was terrible. I sat there and actually engaged their growing minds by reading Asimov to them (just like mom did to me when I was little) or watching Nova with them and teaching them how to research answers on the net when I didn't know the answer to one of their questions.
TLDR? PARENTING IS HARD! And if you aren't willing to step up to the plate then don't fricking have kids! they ain't dolls, or little vanities for your ego, they are little human beings that need plenty of love and attention if they are gonna have a decent shot at a future. Now the oldest is started his first year of premed I'm proud to say, and the youngest still hasn't decided whether he wants to become a chef or do graphic arts. It has been damned hard but worth every second.
**-This had a funny and unintended "side effect" whereas my boys have a unique method of "cursing" at a game, such as "Who made this thing? Look at all the tearing! What is this 1997? And what idiot wrote the AI routines for this thing? DUCK YOU STUPID ENEMY!!!
Re:Lazy parents make ME uncomfortable (Score:5, Interesting)
My daughter has seen me edit photos since forever. With the GIMP open, I often remove things, improve things, duplicate things, or just make things plain improbable. When we started letting her watch movies with any violent effects, we would also pause or later discuss the storytelling side of it, and demonstrate how scenes can be shot out of sequence to lead the viewer to believe bad things happened. Now she regularly asks me how they did certain things, and I try to find "the making of" footage that illustrates it. Beheadings in The Last Samurai. Motion capture in Avatar. Forced perspective in Lord of the Rings.
Learning about special effects is a great way of learning not to trust what you see... and incidentally, to become a critical thinker when it comes to the media shown by news organizations and corporations and even her school, as well.
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The catch with your rant of course, it does not resolve the issue of parent's who dump the children in front of electronic babysitter's only to have them run amok once their thought processes and judgements have been distorted.
The reality it is only a small percentage that are affected, some more than others, now that result's in innocent victims. It is not so much about allowing lazy parents, on protecting children from lazy parents. It is about protecting everyone else from 'impressionable' children wh
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Children getting their hands on such material is always a concern, and rightly so
Why?
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Plenty of children play violent games, yet most of them aren't anymore violent than anyone else. Funny, that.
Besides, even most children can differentiate between fiction and reality (as long as a trusted authority figure isn't lying to them, of course). And, if it so happens that they can't, the parent needn't ban the entertainment outright. Instead, they should do their jobs as a parent and educate their child so that they know it is fiction. I think this [slashdot.org] post sums that up well enough. Outright banning/ce
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Ah, I see. It seems I misinterpreted you, then. Though, most children can still tell the difference between fiction and reality.
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Perhaps you -should- be.
No, we shouldn't, because people who harm nobody in their practice of religion should not be punished because some do.
Not to mention that its impossible to enforce it - the Chinese government tried and failed.
Because they believe it causes harm. They may not actually be correct. But its very easy to understand.
Even if they do, they shouldn't be banned - I have the right to harm myself. And of course, they are already banned from children so that argument is moot.
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I know I"m feeding a troll..but WTF are you talking about???
I know of no christian uprising to go out and kill muslims in recent history..the crusades are LONG past us brother...
It's always third person effects (Score:2)
Moralists are always using third person effects. Moral outrage is always about some at risk group. Always has been.
There are a few flaws with the reasoning, but there is no point being reasonable with a moralist. They really do think that they are smarter than
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Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. Isaac Asimov
This quote reminds me of what you wrote. Im going to go ahead and "friend" you here on Slashdot because you actually sound like you would agree with most of my own thoughts. As far as my first reaction to what you wrote, you seem like you actually have something worthwhile to say.
Re:It's always third person effects (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, most laws that forbid civil liberties are based on third person effects. For example: *I* haven't been too adversely affected by violent media, but other less educated and less mature people are. Why else is there an epidemic in violence?
There isn't.
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Of course there isn't if you look at the actual figures, but who wants to do a silly thing like that?
No, we need to use gut feelings and media outrage, that way we *know* there's an epidemic of violence and society is collapsing right in front of us, without needing silly little things like evidence.
DUH!
I wish I wasn't becoming quite so misanthropic...
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Violent video games make ME uncomfortable. Therefore, nobody should be allowed to make or play them.
Most laws that forbid civil liberties are based on this thought process, though they all have completely different ostensible justifications.
So the basis for society limiting your freedom to murder people is just based on the fact that a few do-gooders don't like killing people?
Please.
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Almost all video games are extremely violent.
Complete Hog Wash. I mean unless you consider DDR and Rock Band to violent games, but I think that would be quite a stretch. There are plenty of other non-violent games as well, and many that are violent but not to the extreme.
Amount of flying meat (Score:3)
Count of flying meat pieces usually seems pathetically low when compared to this game:
http://icculus.org/jumpnbump/ [icculus.org]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuNeV0X0mKc [youtube.com]
I like the gore in Left 4 Dead 2 better. Not cartoony, or exaggerated, but very well done.
Happens to every new media (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Happens to every new media (Score:5, Insightful)
This post rated PG for use of sexually orientated wording.
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Report to the port nearest to Cuba in the US for your transfer, punishment and educational water boarding.
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Pretty soon, we'll be seeing stuff like "most violent blogs of all time" and "webcomics are destroying our youth". Just as soon as the mainstream media catches up with this decade.
And in the decade to come, the schlock blogs and webcomics that caused all the fuss will be buried and forgotten.
You only remember the good stuff.
Think of the films released in 1939, all released until the strict production codes of the mid to late thirties. 1939 in film. [wikipedia.org]
Films which have never left the air since their first release for television. You might have been fortunate enough to see some of them shown in a restored Art Deco era theater.
Now try to name 10 pre-code sound films.
"I'm No Angel"
"Wh
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Do we really need this? (Score:2)
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This one is notable by virtue of the absence of Jack Thompson in the proceedings.
Slashdot & Censorship (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember everybody, anyone who suggests that playing violent video games 18 hours a day everyday might have any negative consequences what so ever is obviously a deluded Christian fanatic who just wants to censor everything. Censorship is evil!
Also please be sure to remember that talk radio and Sarah Palin are so evilly powerful that they single-handedly caused the shootings in Arizona even though the shooter didn't even listen to talk radio! (it was the evil permeating waves). Finally, remember that if any school child even hears the word "God" used in anything other than a derogatory manner or even sees a Bible that isn't being desecrated, that school child will forever mentally scarred beyond comprehension. Censorship is good!
No, I don't take all of the preceding comments seriously, but Slashdot is strewn with +5 insightful mods that do state all of those positions seriously... and sometimes in the same post.
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CC.
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Remember everybody, anyone who suggests that playing violent video games 18 hours a day everyday might have any negative consequences what so ever is obviously a deluded Christian fanatic who just wants to censor everything.
Oh, I'm sure it would have negative consequences. Besides lack of sleep, they probably wouldn't get much exercise or sunlight. Or even have time to work or do anything productive.
Video Games Need Lobbyists! (Score:3)
While the points you make are true of many of the knee-jerk left-leaning individuals here (but not necessarily true of the more level headed ones--yes, they're out there), your post reminded me of something else that's mostly unrelated. So, here's my wholly tangential thought:
Going back to the summary (which is light on details--and the slideshow is kind of silly), there's a huge double standard both in the media and our government. I'm talking about the double standard that exists between the treatment of
PARENT IS RIGHT (Score:2)
Previous calls for game censorship were really calls for attention by the politicians NOT getting enough bribes. So, after years of failing to get the hint it has ended up in the Surpreme Court (mild pun intended.)
The industry missed its chance to avoid this; however, its not a big deal, its only a question of selling to minors that is going to court. They can still pay up and avoid future troubles.
Disturbed people will find plenty to set them off. We could just update our midevil justice system to handle
Re:Slashdot & Censorship (Score:5, Insightful)
Slashdot is not Borg. There are different people here, with varying political, philosophical and religious outlooks. That's why you can have several "+5" comments in a single story which disagree on key points - so long as those points are subjective and not factual.
Curing Zombies (Score:4, Interesting)
Idiots... (Score:5, Insightful)
The idyllic gameworld, on the other hand, offers a few PG-13 "situations", some morally unambiguous violence, and a world were death is a temporary setback.
Video games are protecting the children!
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I have never understood people that believe they must impose there beliefs and supposed morals on others.
Being surrounded by people who are wrong is just more than decent, right-thinking, members of society should have to stand...
And words can hurt forever... (Score:5, Interesting)
I have never understood people that believe they must impose there beliefs and supposed morals on others.
Largely because they, themselves, gained their belief system by having it imposed on them, often with cruelty, and despite their innate belief that what they were being taught was wrong. If they don't impose their belief on others, then they have to admit that what was done to them was wrong, and then they have to deal with all that pain.
Spirituality is not the problem. Belief in a God who wants us to follow a path ("Torah") as part of our relationship with What Is, is not the problem. Religion often is. Religion is the belief in men who somehow know more about what God wants than you do or what He can communicate with you directly. Religion, at its foundation, is therefore idolatry and forbidden by the cardinal rule of Torah.
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Indeed.
When TV was new there was similar ruckus about how TV causes immoral and aggressive behaviour, even so much as to inciting people to murder eachother. The same thing happened with comics, too. Hell, looking back at history the same thing happened even with radio!
The truth is, there has not been a single study that did clearly prove that the invention of video games caused a rise in violence when taking population growth into account.
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Speaking of history, we can't let children learn of the atrocities that have occurred over the past couple thousand years. That would give impressionable young minds ideas which will lead them to repeat the worst acts mankind has ever seen.
Kids may decide they want to be like Edward I who had traitors hanged, drawn, and quartered [wikipedia.org]. They may decide to have some women burned at the stake. They may fancy themselves slave masters who ca
Re:Idiots... (Score:4, Interesting)
Prime-time TV crime dramas. These shows contain some of the most violent, disturbing themes and imagery I've ever seen: Some unlucky bloke gets decapitated by an out-of-control steel beam. Bad guy #1 shoots bad guy #2 full of blood-oozing bullet holes and kicks him off a pier. And then pan into a full shot of a rotting corpse on a autopsy table. This is all within the first 5 minutes of one episode.
But put the same thing in a video game and it's going to corrupt the children.
I am against all forms of censorship. Shielding kids from disturbing content is the parents' responsibility. However, if they're going to ban violent video games, I insist that they also ban the same content in all broadcast and cable television shows because such content is not only much more lifelike, it's also a lot easier for children to access. All they have to do is turn on the TV, whereas a violent video game must be purchased by someone...
Re:Idiots... (Score:4, Insightful)
You pretty much have to resort to import-only, often not even available in English, Japanese stuff to get close in a video game context. And pretty much all of that is cartoon/animated, rather than FMV live action...
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That sounds more like "World of Rockstar" than "World of Blizzard"...
Where is Stuntman on the list? (Score:2)
Nothing made me wants to kill and harm people more than Stuntman. That game makes Demons Souls look like Super Mario Galaxy. I must have smashed hundreds if not thousands of Dualshock 2 controllers in frustration and anger at that game.
*overtake*
*squeeze past truck*
*hard right*
After five minutes of Stuntman I'd have to spend a good week playing milder and gentler games like Doom or Grand Theft Auto to calm myself down.
Time Killers? (Score:3)
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I remember doing that in an old adventure, I think it was called Bioforge, but I might be mistaken.
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Shoot, you can go further back than that. How about "Death Race", where you ran down pedestrians. Which then turned into litte cross-shaped tombstones that you could wind up caught up on if you weren't careful. I remember playing that game, too.
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Before there was Mortal Kombat, before there was Time Killers, back in 1986, there was Chiller [ironicconsumer.com], by Exidy. Over-the-top even by today's standards.
Casual observation (Score:5, Informative)
Personally, I'd rather people with issues do their beating, raping and killing in video games rather than in real life.
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Personally, I'd rather people with issues do their beating, raping and killing in video games rather than in real life.
Well, that's the question, isn't it?
Will their "issues" be resolved in the game or be carried over into real life?
Thanks! (Score:2)
DNF (Score:3)
The uncensored release of Duke Nukem Forever, here in Australia, I'm convinced is a plot from the censorship lobby. Once it's been out for a week, there'll be a media shitstorm stirred up by the likes of Michael Arkins saying "this is what we protect you from, it's regrettable this one made it past our screening, but surely you can see we must outright ban such vulgarity!".
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Missing entries: (Score:2)
Carmageddon, Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM.
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But that stuff were so pixelated you couldn't tell the car wheel from the body, a high-def remake would be scary though...
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Carmageddon, Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM.
The violence in Carmageddon is on the level of a Roadrunner and Coyote cartoon. Doom is an amusement park's dark house ride.
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Actually, graphical fidelity aside, Carmageddon is still the king of gratuitous violence. Many of the games in that list involve the use of violence to achieve a specific aim, or as the result of mental illness (e.g. Postal). Carmageddon's use of violence was entirely and only because it happened to be fun.
Ah, joyful memories of electroshock upgrades and cunning stunt bonuses. There's a game that needs remaking...
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Maybe somebody should make a couple more lists.. (Score:2)
That last one would make for an interesting list, humans had some pretty messed up forms of entertainment back in the day. Public blood sport, torture, rape, execution, etc..
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It's a fair point. I haven't seen any video games in which the consort of a high ranking official gets raped to death by a giraffe then eaten by lions - a real event used to 'entertain' a large crowd in Rome.
Of course, the argument would be that we've progressed a bit since then. These days people merely download video of people being beheaded in the name of some fucked up archaic religion for entertainment.
I'd rather they played computer games.
Gotta go back... (Score:2)
Video game violence has been declining for years (Score:5, Interesting)
My favorite video game back in the day was Galaga, which came out in 1981. I still play it via MAME and whenever I run across the original game or the anniversary re-release. Every level is a fucking massacre. You kill at least 40 aliens and potentially more: if you're really good at killing aliens especially quickly, the game slips in some extras to satisfy your lust for xenocide. Every fourth level, in fact, is a "challenging stage" in which the aliens are completely defenseless and you get bonus points for killing them to the last man. I'm not an especially good player, but I can reliably get to at least the 25th level, which takes about fifteen minutes and during which I must kill at least 1,000 aliens. Nor is Galaga an extreme case. By the late 80's and early 90's, there was a whole slew of Japanese shoot-em-up scrollers where the screen was positively jammed with enemies that could only be overcome by acquiring more and more powerful weapons, next to which Galaga is like the most boring of UN peacekeeping missions.
The body count in hours of gameplay with the current first-person shooters doesn't even merit comparison with three minutes of gameplay in any number of arcade classics from twenty or thirty years ago. What has changed is that the mayhem is more realistic -- and then only if you accept a rather loose reading of "realistic" that actually means "resembling the comic-book violence of action movies".
To make matters worse, the violent crime rate has been mostly declining during all this time, during which ownership of computers and game consoles has gone from a relatively small market to being nearly universal, especially in the age groups that are most likely to be involved in violent crime. If one was compelled to draw a causal connection between violent video games and real-world violence, one would have to conclude that they are actually reducing the level of real-world violence. There is actually some evidence to that effect -- but the balance of the actual scientific data, as opposed to the hyperventilation of people like Jack Thompson, strongly suggests that if there is any connection between video games and real violence, it is too insignificant to be measured even with relatively large samples.
At the end of the day, we'd probably hear less of this hysterical crap if y'all would just stay of those nice people's lawns. Now, if you'll pardon me, I have a sudden urge to fire up MAME and take another pass at getting to the 30th level in Galaga.
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Darn.... (Score:2)
And I thought this list would give me something new to play. I have them all. They missed Blood, Blood 2 the Chosen, missed Mutant League Football/Hockey, Night Trap, Splatterhouse 1-3, Loaded, BloodStorm, Way of the Warrior and Kasumi Ninja. I was hoping for a holiday buying guide, but no, just a silly 7 game list. Heck, my list included more and I am half an idiot. Not only did they miss all of the above, they missed the most violet, PETA protested game of all. Pokemon. Come on, how can you NOT con
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And I even forgot Time-Killers.
The most violent, or the most gory? (Score:2)
The article seems to be conflating the two. This game [newsgaming.com] is probably more violent than any of the listed ones, but it's certainly a lot less graphic. Why is gore bad for children but gore-free violence ok? That's so backwards.
Its human nature. (Score:2)
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The reason people get more upset about sexual scenes is
Comparison (Score:2)
What about Carmageddon? (Score:2)
One of my favorite games from the mid nineties...
Not just your average racing game but there were 3 ways to finish most levels:
* Complete the race, passing every checkpoint before the time runs out
* Destroy all the opponents
* Kill every pedestrian in the level
You also could get extra points and bonus time for killing pedestrians in an especially graphic method, such as opening your doors to hit them while driving by or by
Huge concern? (Score:2)
No it doesn't. Maybe the writer should have SAID why it was a "huge concern", then we might have a discussion. Is he suggesting that players emulate the gameplay? If so, instead of a few screencaps, some real world evidence might have been helpful.
Re:Pacman (Score:5, Funny)
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Remember kids: cite your sources. Or at the very least, If you're going to lift a line from somebody, put quotes around it so you don't look like a fool when somebody calls you on it like I'm about to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Brigstocke#Pac-Man_joke [wikipedia.org]
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It's 64% violent [slashdot.org], after all.
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It definitely was an extreme case with its damage model.
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Granted, my young son wont be playing any of the "If you beat up the hooker, her pimp will come and you can kill him to take his money, then buy a better motor for your getaway car so you can run over people and rob banks" video games.
Why?
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^^ Loved the football level. That game was so bad it was almost good again.