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GeoHot Asks For Donations To Fight Sony 470

Posted by samzenpus
from the fight-the-power dept.
mede writes "In an interesting turn of events, Sony might have stumbled into a tough nut to crack. George Hotz (aka GeoHot) famous for his iPhone hacking achievements, is planning on fighting the big corporation on removing his free speech rights at utilizing his fully paid for hardware. Hotz has always claimed being anti-piracy (since iPhone activities) and says he has never pirated any game or even signed PSN agreements. He's asking for donations to fight Sony back and try to achieve something similar to what was previously accomplished by the EFF with regard to cellphones. I've already donated."
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GeoHot Asks For Donations To Fight Sony

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:02PM (#35262194)
    My small contribution to a great cause.
    • Matching your donation

    • Matched, and the only sony device I have is an alarm clock!

      • by mug funky (910186)

        1 too many!

        i think i have a few sony branded audio CDs around and 1 or two DV tapes.

        usually because that's all that was stocked and i was in a hurry. monopolies and category killing isn't my favourite way of securing a sale, but whatevs.

      • by PopeRatzo (965947) * on Sunday February 20, 2011 @08:30PM (#35263360) Homepage Journal

        Matched, and the only sony device I have is an alarm clock!

        I haven't bought a Sony product since the portable AM/FM/Weather radio I bought for when I walk the dog and want to listen to the Blackhawks game.

        But besides throwing $20 into the Geohot pot just because Sony has been fucking with them so badly, I think I'm going to go out and buy my first PS3 - a used model that I'm going to buy just so I can hack it. Then, I'll find some deserving 13 year-old and give the jailbroken PS3 to him or her. And a stack of blank DVD-Rs.

        Contributing to the delinquency of a minor? Perhaps, but I'm just continuing in the tradition of the 19 year old with the fake IDs who bought me and my pals beer when I was just a little shrimp. And look how I turned out. OK, bad example, but I'm still gonna go out and buy a used PS3 to hack.

    • by BLKMGK (34057)

      $50 from me as well. This is BS and while not everyone agrees with the work he has done the methods being used to shut him down MUST be fought!

    • by pem (1013437) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @10:13PM (#35264038)
      Matched 10X.

      Sony needs to learn that you can't use a legal sledgehammer to fix a bad technological band-aid on a legal/cultural problem.

      Any business model that requires the rest of to sit down and STFU is not just broken -- it's pure evil.

      For all the idiots whining that GeoHot forced Sony to take this action -- gosh, I'm sorry you forced your dad to beat you every night when you were growing up, but you should man up, go get some psychoanalysis, and figure out that you really weren't responsible for your dad's dickheaded behavior, just like George Hotz is not responsible for Sony's dickheaded behavior.

  • A Small Price (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TechyImmigrant (175943) * on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:16PM (#35262306) Journal

    My $50 is a small price to pay if it helps him win the case and set a precedent that leaves me free to discuss Sony's cryptographic failures.

  • by unity100 (970058) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:17PM (#35262310) Homepage Journal
    I am trying to weed out the fucking donation link amongst ~*8 links (and maybe ones i dont see) sprinkled and 'beautifully' embedded in the sentences as part of sentences in the summary and articles.

    why are people doing this ? is it 'cool' when you embed the links with their link texts being parts of sentences ? what about usability, user friendliness ?

    holy cow.

    if someone can link the donation link in an non hipster, uncool, plain way, i will be grateful.
  • by exomondo (1725132) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:25PM (#35262368)
    I see this leading to unsubsidized consoles, while that would be good for the hacking/homebrew community i doubt the platforms would be anywhere near as ubiquitous if they charged the full cost + profit for the consoles.
    • So? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:33PM (#35262450) Journal

      Repeat after me: Not every business plan is viable or continues to be viable as times change.

      The PC market does fine without subsidies, let console players pay the full price of their hardware so they stop saying how cheap their hardware is compared to a PC, while typing said message from a PC.

      • by aitikin (909209)

        Repeat after me: Not every business plan is viable or continues to be viable as times change.

        Are you a consultant? I work in an industry that needs this advice and Sony's a part of said industry. Maybe they're taking their philosophies from the music branch...

      • by exomondo (1725132)

        Repeat after me: Not every business plan is viable or continues to be viable as times change.

        Repeat after me?
        In any case the business plan is clearly still viable, there isn't anything wrong with it at all. If they offered an unsubsidized version of the console for homebrew in addition to the current model that would be a good solution, though this would have to be separate from the gaming networks to avoid the sort of cheating that is so widespread in online PC games.

        The PC market does fine without subsidies

        Obviously, it's a different market.

        • Re:So? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:54PM (#35262646)

          In any case the business plan is clearly still viable, there isn't anything wrong with it at all.

          No, the business plan is not viable, it is propped up by laws like the DMCA.

          • by exomondo (1725132)

            In any case the business plan is clearly still viable, there isn't anything wrong with it at all.

            No, the business plan is not viable, it is propped up by laws like the DMCA.

            I think you'll find that *makes* the business plan viable, business plans operate within the confines of the law and as such can legitimately be 'propped up' by those laws.

        • though this would have to be separate from the gaming networks to avoid the sort of cheating that is so widespread in online PC games.

          It isn't widespread if the games are securely made and properly moderated. It's just that console developers expect the console to do everything for them. But, really, playing a game in a way that other people don't like is inherently bad in the first place.

          • by exomondo (1725132)

            though this would have to be separate from the gaming networks to avoid the sort of cheating that is so widespread in online PC games.

            It isn't widespread if the games are securely made and properly moderated. It's just that console developers expect the console to do everything for them.

            How so? Which game - aside from MMOs - has avoided rampant cheating? Games like CS:S, TF, COD, etc... all suffer from people having things like aimbots, how do weed them out, what 'securely made' features are you going to add?
            Consoles avoid this by not allowing modified versions of the game or the console to play on the network.

            But, really, playing a game in a way that other people don't like is inherently bad in the first place.

            Well the cheaters don't agree...which is kinda the point.

            • How so? Which game - aside from MMOs - has avoided rampant cheating?

              Certainly not many. Designing your game so that it isn't terribly easy to hack was what I was referring to (like not storing everything clientside). Now, if the servers are properly moderated, it shouldn't be that bad. If it is, that's really the server owner's fault.

      • by LWATCDR (28044)

        Even better repeat after me. When I buy something I own it. If I want to put home brew on a console I own then I will put home brew on my console. I am not even one of the folks on here that believe piracy is okay. But what I buy I own and while I can live with the idea that I can not copy it and sell it. "I am not allowed to copy a car and sell that" but do not say I can not take it apart and learn from it and share what I learn!

    • by Daneurysm (732825) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:41PM (#35262514)
      Nintendo doesn't seem to have any problems...
      • I'm not saying they are losing money on it, but they are not selling it at a sufficient profit to be doing well if that was all they made. They charge a per-game license, just like all the other console makers (hell they practically invented the concept).

        You have to remember there's a difference between not losing money on the hardware and making a reasonable amount of money. The cost of the hardware isn't the only cost, there are all kinds of support costs on the back end for a company. If a piece of hardw

        • by JustNilt (984644) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @07:23PM (#35262874) Homepage

          Computers can give you a reasonable idea since they are unsubsidized.

          Horse hockey! Haven't you ever had to clean extra "value added" crap off a computer? I certainly have; that shit subsidizes PCs all the time. No PC manufacturer I am aware of operates without this stuff. If they did it'd be great to be able to compare their pricing with, say, Dell's.

      • by exomondo (1725132)

        Nintendo doesn't seem to have any problems...

        Just because they aren't selling the console hardware at a loss doesn't mean they are making a profit, there are plenty of other associated development and ongoing costs that need to be covered, it's not just the cost of the hardware.

    • Consoles are effectively "subsidized" by DMCA. If this kills it, I think it's a small price to pay.

  • Comment to geohot (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mede (115508)

    I'm the one who submitted this story in trying to raise awareness and get you to raise funds from the slashdot community.. You deserve backup from many people to stand a good fight vs. sony..

    Be careful, George.. You have a very strong opportunity to make a difference.. No one is saying you shouldn't benefit from it after it's over.. In fact, YOU SHOULD..

    But take cautious steps in the middle.. You've appeared one time too many as being too media and attention centric.. Focus right now and enjoy the benefits

    • Re:Comment to geohot (Score:5, Informative)

      by mede (115508) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @06:39PM (#35262500)

      By the way, I can't believe slashdot changed the link to the source...

      Don't go to techspot.

      Go to geohot.com [geohot.com]

  • but i had $65 to spare and threw $25 to the EFF and $40 to George. Times like this its good to remember that it was the EFF that primary fought for the freedom to Jailbreak devices that WE own. And with all the successes they have been getting lately I encourage all on Slashdot to give what they can to support the EFF.
  • by zill (1690130) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @07:02PM (#35262718)
    I heard Sony loses money for every PS3 sold, so I went ahead and brought one to help out the cause.
    • by hedwards (940851)

      That hasn't been true in quite a while. By the time they released the Slim, they were already making a profit on each console sold.

    • by westlake (615356)

      I heard Sony loses money for every PS3 sold, so I went ahead and brought one to help out the cause.

      Don't believe everything you hear.

      The much-simplified and cheaper to manufacture PS3 Slim is the only model currently in production.

      It's worth taking a moment to look at some stats:

      Installed base: about 48 million units.
      PSN accounts: 69 million
      PlayStation Home: 17 million accounts
      MOVE 4 million units

      The PS3 is a family-oriented home entertainment center. It's natural home is below or to one side of the big screen HDTV and theater sound system -

      and at $400 for the MOVE bundle - firmware upgraded - tha

  • Why isn't this covered under the recent jailbreaking decision?

  • by olsmeister (1488789) on Sunday February 20, 2011 @08:24PM (#35263306)
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