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Nintendo Pulls Dead Or Alive Over Porn Fears In EU

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  • OH NOES! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gilbert644 (1515625) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @10:41AM (#36273158)
    How can us Scandinavians be smug about American prudishness now?!
  • Re:A Simple Fix (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 28, 2011 @10:45AM (#36273194)

    So, how old is this beauty?

    o|--

  • CHILD!? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Windwraith (932426) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @10:50AM (#36273226)

    Child? You call those virtual plastic-y goddesses of bounce physics CHILDREN?
    What is becoming of this world...?

  • Simple fix... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ThoughtMonster (1602047) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @10:56AM (#36273284) Homepage

    Make them 18!

  • by Carewolf (581105) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @10:57AM (#36273294) Homepage

    And nudity isn't considered pornographic or even indecent in Denmark. Some parent groups are starting to act weird, and child pornography is banned in Denmark, but child pornography in Denmark does not mean under US legal-consent teenagers, it means tweens or younger.

  • Modern society (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Noughmad (1044096) <miha.cancula@gmail.com> on Saturday May 28, 2011 @10:58AM (#36273300) Homepage

    There's a game with the word "Dead" in its name, and people have a problem with it because you can look up women's skirts?

  • Re:OH NOES! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Carewolf (581105) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:02AM (#36273314) Homepage

    I think someone confused Sweden and Scandinavia. Swedes are prudes, and have really weird laws. Denmark on the hand has legalized prostitution, and considers nudity acceptable most places, and sex in public legal as long as you "try" to be discrete.

  • WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ephemeriis (315124) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:05AM (#36273346) Homepage

    You've got to be kidding me... This is so ridiculous I can't believe it's real.

    It's a video game. They aren't real people. It's pixels on a screen. No child is being harmed, regardless of where you position the camera.

    I also doubt if there's much to look at under those skirts. I doubt if the developers spent much time rendering realistic genitalia that'll likely never be seen... And if they were seen, would just generate outrage.

    Further, they're 17 in the game. Here in the US that's just one year shy of legal adulthood. Are you telling me that there's some magical transformation on your 18th birthday that renders you immune to the psychological harm of somebody looking at your crotch?

    But even if we accept that this is some kind of virtual child pornography that's somehow exploiting underage pixels... If we really want to make sure we protect the children... It's somehow OK to brutally beat them to a pulp? I mean, Dead or Alive is a fighting game. A "beat'em up". Like Tekken or Soul Calibur or Mortal Combat or Street Fighter... It's OK to pummel some virtual 17-year-old girl into a bloody mess, but it isn't OK to look up her skirt? How does that make any kind of sense?

  • Re:A Simple Fix (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:05AM (#36273356)

    This is the fundamental flaw with all fictional-child-porn laws. They are not based on the principle of protecting people from mistreatment, but on the principle that people should not be allowed to imagine mistreating someone. This is literally a victimless crime.

    And because there is no objective defense against the charges – you cannot produce a legal ID that confirms whether or not the subject was a certain age or not – it is impossible for a citizen to be certain he's complying. I think the character looks 20; somebody else thinks she looks 15. The distinction is 100% subjective. There's a principle in US law (and other countries' too I'm sure) that states that a person must be able to determine for themselves ahead of time whether what they are about to do is legal or not. Ignorance of the law is no excuse of course, but if you (or qualified legal counsel) read the law but still can't tell from it whether what you're thinking of doing will be legal or not... that's an invalid and unenforceable – and rather obviously unjust – law.

  • Re:A Simple Fix (Score:4, Insightful)

    by canajin56 (660655) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:07AM (#36273364)
    Most countries that have an age of consent that is less than 18 still consider it child pornography if it contains somebody under 18. That is, just because it's legal to fuck somebody who is 17 doesn't mean its legal to see them naked. I don't know if that's how it works in Scandinavia, but that's how it is in Canada. You can have sex with a 17 year old, but if you get them to webcam naked you're both going away for a long time. She'll probably get the worst of it because you just are in possession of child pornography, but SHE is manufacturing AND distributing it.
  • by Opportunist (166417) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:16AM (#36273418)

    Now, I'm not that big into Japanese culture. But from what I gather they're not really that "obsessed" with young girls. Not any more than the Dutch are obsessed with dope. Or the average US person with guns.

    We just perceive it that way because we get told a lot that these things are legal there while being illegal where we live and our sensationalist media show us that Japanese businessman who buys little girl panties, the Dutch dopehead who smokes one blunt after another in a coffeeshop and the gun-toting redneck enjoying his afternoon with a machine gun.

  • Re:A Simple Fix (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nospam007 (722110) * on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:19AM (#36273444)

    Let's hope the game doesn't allow them to drink, watch an R-rated movie, vote or pick up a firearm.
    Also being minors, they can't be in the game for more than the allowed working hours for minors.
    Perhaps somebody from Social Services should stand behind every player to be sure.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:24AM (#36273460)

    Two points:
    1) What you describe is a stereotype of Japanese culture, which may have a grain of truth behind it, but is based on a rather limited familiarity with that culture, and is not generally true. Japan punishes actual child sexual abuse, much like any other modern industrial country does.
    2) What you do see, that gives you this impression, is an example of the unintended consequences of censorship. Japan's culture has its own flavor of prudery, which enacted laws intended to stop the publication of sexually indecent images. One key provision of this was "no images in which pubic hair is visible". But rather than stopping artists and photographers from showing nekkid females, it merely stopped them from showing nekkid females with pubic hair. Which makes them look a bit like children, and in the minds of some Japanese men, has eroticized those childlike features.
    But like I said, most Japanese men have no interest in sex with little girls. They may indulge in school-girl fantasies and role-play, they may want their female partners to sport the hairless look of the porn they grew up beating off to. They are obsessed with youth Just Like American Men. But the Japanese are not (as a culture) obsessed with molesting young girls.

  • Re:A Simple Fix (Score:3, Insightful)

    by elashish14 (1302231) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {4clacforp}> on Saturday May 28, 2011 @11:42AM (#36273580)

    It's true - just like Muslim extremists flip a shit over drawings of Muhammed, the Western world does likewise over images of child sexuality.

    We're just as bad as them.

  • Re:Simple fix... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mmcuh (1088773) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @12:46PM (#36274064)
    And when the characters are fictional and animated, age shouldn't matter one way or the other.
  • by Duradin (1261418) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @02:24PM (#36274714)

    It's a medical condition. Spawning Induced Stupidity SYndrome.

    Symptoms are irrationality, fear, and a belief that anything is justified in the name of their child.

  • Re:A Simple Fix (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheRaven64 (641858) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @02:30PM (#36274746) Journal

    images of child sexuality feed the lusts of depraved individuals to the extent they are compelled to act, or think we are complicit with them in their abuse of children

    Do you have even one peer-reviewed citation for that? Your claim seems to have as much scientific backing as a claim that a drawing of Muhammad angers Allah and imperils the immortal soul of anyone who sees it.

  • Oh, the irony. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by hoboroadie (1726896) on Saturday May 28, 2011 @03:21PM (#36275112)

    Pedantry is its own reward.

  • by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@gma i l . com> on Saturday May 28, 2011 @04:10PM (#36275366) Journal

    Uhhhh who gives a fuck when the important thing is the CP witchhunt has gotten so bad a shot of a cartoon panty is considered CP which is beyond fucking ridiculous!

    Ya know when the bullshit first started I actually supported SOME of it. Oh I didn't and still don't support the truly insane amounts of time they give someone who looks at a picture without actually touching a kid themselves (because I have a friend in the state crime lab who says more than 90% of those they bust are social retards who are about as much of a threat to kids as a bowl of marshmallows, most are afraid of or avoid interactions with ANYBODY and they are looking at the same old shit that has been floating around since USENET) but the idea of cops working together internationally to find the child rapists and hunt their sorry asses down? I was ALL for that!

    But now we have literally reached the point of thoughtcrime, where it doesn't matter if any child was involved at all it is still treated as child rape! Just in the past few years we have seen a man given several years for writing his own thoughts onto paper which IIRC he was told to do by his shrink to help him work through it (thoughtcrime), a guy given several years for looking at Japanese hentai (thoughtcrime) and even one thrown in jail for looking at one of those crudely drawn Simpsons cartoons, even though legally the Simpson "kids" if they actually existed would be in their 30s!

    That is why I urge everyone to stand up, not just here but IRL as well, when these laws are abused to create thoughtcrimes. Remember folks it is NEVER the "good guy" they use to take away our rights it is ALWAYS done by using scapegoats like "terrorists" and "perverts" and "racists" because those in power know too many fear standing up for those types, for fear of being labeled as supporting their views.

    But just as my grandfather took a wall dropped on him by a Werewulf squad in WWII yet STILL stood up and said that the Illinois Nazis should have the right to march, because as he said "That is what makes us better than the system they are supporting as here ALL ideas have the right to be spoken of and discussed" so too must we stand up for those used to take away our liberties one thoughtcrime at a time. Remember the words of that wise pastor years ago: "First they came for" because those same laws stretched to cover pictures or words on a page can and WILL be abused to go after sites like wikileaks or maybe even yourself if you protest something the powerful want! Hell according to my friend at the crime lab the way the law is worded now someone could draw a stick figure and someone else write on top "nekked kid" and that would technically get you the same time as a real pic of a raped child! Does that make ANY sense to anyone here? How fucking scary can you get!

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