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Court To Prisoner: No Xbox 360 For You 337

Posted by samzenpus
from the break-out-the-2600 dept.
jonklinger writes "An Israeli Court rejected the appeal of a prisoner who requested to have an Playstation 3 or Xbox 360 because there is no possibility to remove the internet connectivity apparatus from the device without harming its functionality. Therefore, prisoners cannot engage in gaming and will have to result to other kinds of violence."
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Court To Prisoner: No Xbox 360 For You

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  • Can they get a pc with no networking?

    • Yes, of course they can. They (prisons) get custom built machines. A mate of mine worked on a project to supply just these machines to prisons. Among the other special requirements was a case made entirely of clear acrylic so there would be nowhere to hide contraband.

  • Is jonklinger stupid or has a really bad sense of humor...
    "Therefore, prisoners cannot engage in gaming and will have to result to other kinds of violence."
    That is just bad.....

  • by mr1911 (1942298) on Wednesday November 02, 2011 @04:14PM (#37925706)
    If prisoners get to sit around playing games, the punishment of prison could easily be less than their punishment outside of prison?

    Prisoners should be making big rocks into little rocks.
    • by syousef (465911)

      If prisoners get to sit around playing games, the punishment of prison could easily be less than their punishment outside of prison? Prisoners should be making big rocks into little rocks.

      Yes I'm sure that will work well. Bore the prisoners to the point of breaking, and teach them nothing, then dump them back on the streets at the end of that time with no prospects of making money legitimately. Great move. I'm sure that will bring crime rates down. If a prisoner can read a book or play pool or basketball or watch tv lest they go insane and start beating other to a pupl, why not an Xbox once a week?

    • Prisoners should be making big rocks into little rocks.

      I agree with you in all but one detail. Prisoners should be making something useful. Furniture, cars, whatever.

      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        Great idea, slave labor! Surely, no one would ever then bribe judges and police to place more people in jail longer so that his business had a steady source of cheap labor. No, no one should ever do such a thing.

        For obvious reasons prisons should cost the taxpayer money. They should also not provide undue profit to any private firm. There are too many possible perverse incentives that come into play.

    • why not increase the punishment, so as to act as a deterrent? We can keep it completely harmless. How about Waterboarding?
    • by Lakitu (136170)

      do you really think that every prisoner is 100% bankrupt?

      do you really believe that being deprived of your liberty and forced to sit in a prison against your will is not a punishment?

    • by Krishnoid (984597) * on Wednesday November 02, 2011 @05:47PM (#37927014) Journal

      Prisoners should be making big rocks into little rocks.

      Well in that case, problem solved [wikipedia.org]!

  • by tmosley (996283)
    Why not allow them the cheaper PS2s? I'm hoping this is on their own money, rather than being paid for by the Israeli and American taxpayer.
    • by MarkGriz (520778)

      "Why not allow them the cheaper PS2s"

      How about, because they are f*#king prisoners.

      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        What does that have to do with it?

        They are still people and we would prefer they come out better than they went in. These sorts of things are hugely useful in that respect, they also allow for a simple level of punishment and reward inside prison. Prisoners who misbehave can have their video games taken away.

  • by syousef (465911) on Wednesday November 02, 2011 @04:16PM (#37925742) Journal

    Therefore, prisoners cannot engage in gaming and will have to result to other kinds of violence.

    It would be nice if the slashdot editors would resort to other kinds of editing.

  • by quietwalker (969769) <pdughi@gmail.com> on Wednesday November 02, 2011 @04:17PM (#37925754)

    The old adage of 'they need to get it out of their system' - this is a falsehood: prisoners do not have to "result to other kinds of violence" in the absence of a substitute. If you are prone to violent acts, with all other variables being equal, you'll commit violent acts even after having already committed violent acts. Even with a violence simulator, you're still going to perform the other violence outside it that you were supposed to be suppressing.

    Mike Tyson was a good example; all day long he's sparring with partners, hitting punching bags, shadowboxing. Then he beats and rapes a woman, and later looses his temper and bites an opponent's ear. Despite having 'worked it out of his system' hundreds of times more than a normal person, he's still violent.

    People don't have violence meters that you can fill up. Stop perpetuating this invalid belief like it was common sense.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      1. Sitting on your couch pressing a button to show a boxing glove punch is very different from getting up and beating the shit out of a bean bag or sparing with another human.

      2. Mike Tyson is not representative of even 10 other human beings.

      • by Hartree (191324)

        "1. Sitting on your couch pressing a button to show a boxing glove punch is very different from getting up and beating the shit out of a bean bag or sparing with another human."

        Yeah. It's a hell of a lot poorer workout.

        "2. Mike Tyson is not representative of even 10 other human beings."

        A meaningless statement. Yes, he's an extreme rarity in boxing ability.

        That says relatively little about his personality or impulse control ability.

  • by Fallen Kell (165468) on Wednesday November 02, 2011 @04:17PM (#37925756)
    The court has an issue with the fact that they have WiFi built into them. I don't know why they can't simply let him disable the WiFi since it should be pretty easy to do so (on the original PS3 60GB "Fat" models, you can remove the wifi/bluetooth board/card and that would disable it. The only downside is that you need to connect your controllers via USB cable as they used the bluetooth connection for their signals).
    • by vuo (156163)

      The court was wise in here. It's never OK to underestimate the ingenuity of the inmates. At the now-closed Katajanokka prison in Helsinki, inmates made a tattoo machine out of a vibration motor extracted from a PS2 DualShock controller. In this case, a USB wireless modem is small enough for "internal mail", and any components broken by the guards can be potentially replaced. And whenever you ask "what's the harm", the problem is similar to Pablo Escobar's case. He was officially in jail but in practice in h

      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        Actually that would not be appropriate for any human. I don't want to live in Soviet Russia nor Nazi Germany, those are the kinds of places that do the stuff you are talking about.

        Those places did not get it right, they got everything wrong.

  • I would settle for harmed functionality over none.
  • Who went "huh he requested an xbox in an Israeli prison..." somehow, being from the netherlands where even some of the worst offenders get max 8 years plus mental support, I was surprised he even got the chance to request it. So much for being jaded.
    • by ackthpt (218170)

      Who went "huh he requested an xbox in an Israeli prison..." somehow, being from the netherlands where even some of the worst offenders get max 8 years plus mental support, I was surprised he even got the chance to request it. So much for being jaded.

      Different countries, different rules.

      I'm still perplexed how Israel continues to paint Palestinians as the obstruction to peace, while countering recognition from UNESCO with more building on occupied land. (While Isreal was effectively carved from the heart of Palestine and is recognised and a member of the UN.) Bloody weird country, if you ask me.

  • by ZorinLynx (31751)

    I doubt there's an open Wifi network in the prison... So why does the presence of a Wifi chipset or ethernet port even matter? There's nothing to connect it to.

  • If they don't want this to be online, just don't hook it up to the network. It can still play games. What's the problem?

    Or, give him a jailbroken console (no pun intended) that has been banned. Heck, I can sell mine for a good price!

  • Everyone arguing about whether the ethernet port can be removed from an Xbox 360 or not.

    The real question is why even consider giving an Xbox 360 to a prisoner.

    !@#$% NO!!!!!

    I have barely had time to even touch my Xbox 360 in the past year. I'm too busy working and commuting to work so I can keep my mortgage paid, heat running and food on the table for my family.

    I don't see anyone out there leaping up to provide me with an Xbox 360 or PS3. I haven't had cable TV for the past 5 years. Can't afford it. Frankl

    • by PortHaven (242123)

      And yes, I know this did not happen in America. It happened in Israel. But it happens in America all the time too.

      Sheriff removes cable TV from the prisons and the court system orders him to put it back.

      $280,000 on cable bill for about 20 prisons.
      http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081204_12_0_OKLAHO673257 [tulsaworld.com]

      U.K how much on toys for prisoners? Why not spend that money on children instead?
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1040932/Pampered-prisoners-supplied-221-726-PlayStations.html [dailymail.co.uk]

    • In some prisons they have to pay for it and or work for right to have a TV. Prisoners have to buy the TV as well.

      Other prisons pay for it with the money made at the prison commissary.

      Other prisons have the guards living with them.

      NO Xbox or other stuff in most cells prison can buy stuff like decks of cards.

      for tv Prisons are billed like hotels pay per room / drop.

    • by Hatta (162192)

      Nobody's suggesting that this prisoner be given an Xbox. The request was that he be allowed to purchase an Xbox. That's a bit less controversial. If we allow them books, why not other media as well?

      If America's prison system is so soft that it encourages crime, then Scandanavia should be swarming with murderers. Finland has open prisons and a very low recidivism rate. On the other hand, the US has one of the toughest prison systems in the developed world, and we still have the highest crime rates. Y

      • by vuo (156163)
        Finland is ridiculously accommodating of habitual offenders. In fact you'll have to kill about three times before they take it seriously. There's no criminal-law mechanism to give a murderer an actual life sentence, so most are released at 12 years. Furthermore, the court system rejects a lot of cases based on "lack of evidence" and considers many premeditated killings "manslaughters", which means that the sentence is formally 9 years and in practice it is only half of that. If mental incapacity is found, t
        • by Hatta (162192)

          And yet their murder rate is half that in the US.

          • by vuo (156163)
            Three times higher than Western Europe in general, in where you have actual life sentences for example.
    • by Lakitu (136170)

      No wonder the tea party is so popular, when people like you are ready to foam at the mouth about the government buying a prisoner a PS3 without even spending a second to think about it.

      Do you really think every prisoner is 100% broke? The guy wanted to buy a PS3. Prisoners have money. Some prisoners can even work in-house for pennies on the dollar, not only getting paid pennies on the dollar, but being forced to spend a large fraction of the money they earned towards court fines, incarceration fees, rest

    • by Fished (574624)
      Have you ever visited a prison? I have, as a pastor, and I think it's a horrible place I would never want to have to live. For every "country club", Federal, minimum security prison, there are ten state-rub hell-holes perpetuating a cycle of misery that started for African American men (I'm white, BTW) generations ago. This is tolerated because the "law and order" types like you don't actually see how the justice system actually works.
    • by DM9290 (797337)

      I want to see every friggin able bodied criminal have to work 8 hours a day, just like the rest of us. And if you don't, you don't eat. Plain and simple.

      So unemployable prisoners should be left to starve or freeze to death, just like on America's streets.. sounds fair.

      If you think the US is freakishly gentle on Criminals you should come visit Canada. We even let prisoners vote and participate in our democracy like actual humans.

    • by rahvin112 (446269)

      The real question is why even consider giving an Xbox 360 to a prisoner.

      They aren't giving him anything. He's asking to purchase with his own money a gaming console to likely use for the 12+ hours a day he's locked in a barred room. Much like the XBox he pays for everything but his food including soap, cigarettes and any other product he wants. Not only that but the prison vastly inflates the products sold at the commissary to sometime 10x their normal cost to soak money from the prisoners.

      I have barely ha

  • and a copy of Superman 64.
    • by Itesh (1901146)
      That's still too nice; a 2600 with a copy of E.T. (I'm sure that one of the thousands in the landfill where they are buried will still work).
  • How may prison cells have Ethernet jacks in them?

    Even without Ethernet jacks would there actually be anything to connect to WiFi with? I'm pretty sure you could permanently disable WiFi without killing the system, mostly by attacking it from the antenna angle, maybe even the radio (I really don't know these things on the board level).

  • At least prisoners are otherwise able to get game consoles. Otherwise prison would be downright inhumane....almost like PUNISHMENT.

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