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Microsoft Confirms Xbox One's Phone Home Requirement, Game Resale Rules 581

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Following the confusion surrounding Microsoft's announcement of the Xbox One, the company has now clarified many of the hot-button issues in a set of posts on their official site. First, they confirmed that the console will need to phone home in order to continue playing games. On your primary console, you'd need to connect to the internet and check in once every 24 hours. They also announced that you'll be able to access and play any of your games by logging in on somebody else's console, but the internet connection will be required every hour to keep playing that way. Other media don't require the connection. Microsoft also explained how game licensing will work. On the upside, anyone using your console will be able to play your games, and you can share your games with up to 10 members of your family for free. The downside is the news about used games; Microsoft says they've "designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers." The key word there is can, which implies that you can't without the publisher's express permission. Finally, the company made a set of statements about how Kinect's audio and video sensors will collect and share your data. "When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded." They also say data gathered during normal use won't leave the console without your explicit permission.
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Microsoft Confirms Xbox One's Phone Home Requirement, Game Resale Rules

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  • Deal breaker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by senorpoco (1396603) on Friday June 07, 2013 @08:49AM (#43934883)
    Well that just saved me the equivalent of whatever the new console would cost. Thanks microsoft for making purchasing decisions easier.
  • Worse than Thought (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Traciatim (1856872) on Friday June 07, 2013 @08:50AM (#43934901)
    So, in other words, all of the hyperbole and hand waving from users on forums that was washed aside saying it couldn't possibly be that bad... instead it turns out it's worse.
  • by selectspec (74651) on Friday June 07, 2013 @08:53AM (#43934939)

    I love that part. You mean I can still watch TV without "checking in", just as I could if I hadn't bought the stupid fucking box in the first place?

  • by MrDoh! (71235) on Friday June 07, 2013 @08:54AM (#43934945) Homepage Journal
    Or a government official tapping them on the shoulder and asking for a feed. With the proviso that MS simply must NOT let their users know, but MS is protected from their customers by law for following gov rules. By having this open up, and the gov spying in, it's yet another point of entry. From what started as an ill thought out games machine has now become the XBox1984 spy machine.
  • Re:Deal breaker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MrDoh! (71235) on Friday June 07, 2013 @08:57AM (#43934967) Homepage Journal
    Sony must be loving this. And even Ouya! Then there's the PRISM spying thing going on, with Microsoft being the first to roll over and expose it's belly to the Gov. And now they want to sell us a machine that's got to be left online with a mic/camera in the device? Nice try, but no chance. XBox1984
  • by Culture20 (968837) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:00AM (#43934995)

    "When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded." They also say data gathered during normal use won't leave the console without your explicit permission.

    "Explicit permission" defined as signing any EULA associated with XBOX One.

  • by Formorian (1111751) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:00AM (#43935007)

    I owned a XBOX 1 and Xbox 360. I liked them better then Sony/Nintendo offerings. But this whole used game thing along with phone home. I haven't had my 360 plugged into the internet for 8 months now. I play most console games offline. If I want to play online with friends, that's what my PC is for.

    So I had bought 3 xbox 360's, I won't be buying 1 One.

  • ...just like I'm sure the Obama Administration would never obtain the phone and email records for every American! [pcworld.com]

    What?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:07AM (#43935071)

    Think about what happens after this generation is over, in 10-15 years. Eventually, the XBO servers will be taken down, and none of the games will work.

    It won't be like you pulling out your Dreamcast or SNES to relive fond gaming memories--this literally won't be an option. Now starts the time when gaming history eventually fades into nothing.

    Don't get me wrong, any disc based game eventually will be in the same boat--as these discs will eventually decay. Whereas cartridge based game systems may work, no problem, in 100 years or more if kept in a dry place.

  • by Arrepiadd (688829) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:07AM (#43935075)

    So you basically forgot all the crap Sony has pulled out over the years... (e.g. rootkits). At least Microsoft is being honest about it.

    As someone else said, the solution is to forgo both PS and Xbox consoles.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:09AM (#43935085)

    > the used game resale options are in the hands of the game developers

    Which is funny because were I live it's in the hand of the law. The law that says "I can resell my own games."

  • Re:10 Minutes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by xclr8r (658786) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:12AM (#43935113)
    This really sucks for those who go to places with lack of communication infrastructure. e.g. military, rural areas with electricity but no internet backbone. Obviously they are not the "intended" audience.
  • by SirGarlon (845873) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:13AM (#43935119)

    The difference between Steam and XBox One is only a matter of degree. Steam doesn't allow you to buy or sell used games. Steam needs to phone home every three months or so instead of every day, but it still locks you out after that.

    So basically, if you want to play games from the major publishers, your only choice is who to bend over for. Steam uses Vaseline, Microsoft doesn't. Perhaps Sony will choose not to bugger customers at all -- I'm not really keeping up with the PS4 rumors.

  • by h4rr4r (612664) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:15AM (#43935149)

    I did not, I still do not trust sony near computers. Microsoft is never honest. They claim it will not spy on you, but they were the first to get in bed with the NSA for PRISM.

    I have been eyeing up the WiiU so that is an option.

  • Re:10 Minutes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by xclr8r (658786) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:16AM (#43935153)
    I just realized another thing. The only time I play on a console is when the internet is down in my area for my PC MMO games. Guess I'm not the intended audience either.
  • Re:10 Minutes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by beelsebob (529313) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:18AM (#43935173)

    Believing that the issue no longer exists because one person cracks the first implementation is foolhardy at best, and idiotic at worst.

    All it takes is for MS to bump the minimum software version required for new games, or add a critical new feature that everyone wants and suddenly you need to updated, and get into the never ending war of jailbreaking and patching. By buying a console with the expectation of it being regularly jailbroken, all you guarantee is that you end up unable to keep up with the latest software update, and hence the latest games.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:19AM (#43935185)

    Uh huh. And if I'm a Xbox non-owner who has no EULA with Microsoft, and I go visit my friend's house who has an Xbox and we have a conversation in his living room that gets recorded..?

  • by Jason Levine (196982) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:20AM (#43935193)

    They also have a "We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons." clause. So even if you like a feature (like sharing a game with up to 10 family members), you might find that feature suddenly removed or altered in such a way as to make it useless.

  • by BenJeremy (181303) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:20AM (#43935199)

    I think the bigger issue missed here is that rentals are simply no longer possible with Xbox One.

    Microsoft has killed the game rental market in one fell swoop.

    Personally, I think this is a dumb move... I've bought many games after trying them out as rentals; I doubt I am alone with that practice. That is a lot of potential marketing tossed down the toilet.

    Even if the used game market survives (though I doubt it will ever be a factor again), the rental market is gone, gone,gone.

  • by ganjadude (952775) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:22AM (#43935215) Homepage
    to be fair, people are not "buying windows 8" they are buying new PCs and laptops that happen to have windows 8 on them. the avg user still does not know he has choices and they just buy the new shiney and leave it stock
  • Re: Deal breaker (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:26AM (#43935251)
    I'll just keep my PC and not waste any money on consoles. I need a PC for work, communications, information, music, photos and films anyhow. It doesn't make any sense to split gaming off from that into a separate device.
  • by h4rr4r (612664) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:27AM (#43935259)

    Steam also sells games for super cheap. I buy my games for steam on disk, so if it ever disappears I can run the game with cracks. This is not a feature that consoles seem to offer.

  • by L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:31AM (#43935295)
    Part of the reason people will buy a brand new release-day game is because they can hammer the shit out of it in a short time over a holiday break and sell it used to recoup some of the cost (over 50% for new titles, easily). If this isn't the case, the era of $60+ release-day console games is over.
  • Re:Deal breaker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Xest (935314) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:34AM (#43935325)

    Why would Sony be loving it? If history is anything to go by then Sony will be at least as worse, the difference is that unlike Microsoft they're just not being open about it. If anything it seems more like Microsoft is testing the waters to see what they can get away with, if there really is just way too much negative feedback they'll likely losen the restrictions somewhat. In contrast Sony's business model is, as always, keep quiet and just dump it on the user saying nothing and hope no one notices.

    I don't really like any of it (though at least the ability to share games with family members is a step forward, because that's better than most DRM/unlock codes on existing platforms where you're expected to buy a copy per family member) but pretending Sony is going to be some magical saviour is sad. We saw the Sony fanboys spreading the exact same FUD and doing the exact same thing last console round and look how that ended up. Removed features etc.

    Anyone pretending Sony is going to be a saviour right now given that we've not even seen a picture of their fucking device yet let alone had any real concrete information about it is having a laugh, especially when track records are taken into account.

  • How generous! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wonkey_monkey (2592601) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:36AM (#43935347) Homepage

    On the upside, anyone using your console will be able to play your games

    How nice of them not to implement biometric identification. Yet.

  • by h4rr4r (612664) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:38AM (#43935381)

    In some nations what you describe would be illegal. Some places have this thing called consumer protection and depriving the consumer of something he paid for would be basically the same as fraud.

  • Re:Deal breaker (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:40AM (#43935399)

    Where did he say that games should be free?

    A phone home or persistent connection requirement for a SP, offline game is treating your customers like criminals. If you treat us like criminals, why shouldn't we limit our game purchases to developers who treat their customers like human beings? Of course people like you will attribute the sudden drop in your sales to piracy instead of your own unscrupulous conduct.

    Bottom line, you can keep your ridiculous DRM. Just don't come whining when your company is in ruins because you treated your customers like crap.

  • by jellomizer (103300) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:47AM (#43935495)

    What about rentals?

    If MS is going to bend over backwards for the game publishers. What about rentals where you rent the game and then return it. You know to see if you actually like it or not. There are a lot of junk games out there, why should you spend $60.00 on something you will hate, and then not be able to sell back.
    I prefer to rent it. If I like it then I will buy it.

    With these bending over backwards for the publishers, The software better be Dirt Cheap.

  • by MickyTheIdiot (1032226) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:56AM (#43935597) Homepage Journal

    I'm sorry.. the "sharing up to 10" 'feature' is just as bad.

    My family doesn't use the vaginas of the females like clown cars and I would never hit the limit, but this is total bullshit. If I buy a game the family should be able to play it, whether it is 2 or 2 dozen. It's just as bad as the other DRM 'features.'

    Yeah, Microsoft doesn't care about one missed sale, but if anyone that knows what DRM is refuses to buy it then it has to hurt sometime.

  • by meowgoesthecat (2872191) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:57AM (#43935605)
    If I had moderator points, you would get them all sir. Almost everyone I have engaged in this argument with fails to understand or acknowledge this fact. They may not like it, which is expected. When your choices are "spend years writing my own software that does what [software title] does, find a lesser quality product for free, or use this software and agree to their EULA.", you shouldn't act surprised or upset when you choose the last option. It was obviously your best choice or you would of went with the other two...

    Having said that, those limited choices have also driven the demand for spectacular free products like gimp.
  • Not recording? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by alaffin (585965) on Friday June 07, 2013 @09:58AM (#43935607) Journal

    > "When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded."

    Says the company that jumped on board the PRISM train so happily and willingly....

  • Re:Deal breaker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Xest (935314) on Friday June 07, 2013 @10:13AM (#43935807)

    I have a PS3 but bought it after Linux was already removed.

    Being a PS3 owner and not having had the feature removed from me personally though doesn't mean I magically have to give them a free pass because guess what? I'm not a fanboy.

    Removing features from customers is still a fucking shitty move however you cut it and guess what? Microsoft are twats for adding more and more ads to XBL when I already pay them for the service, Nintendo are twats for selling me a turd that never ended up with any compelling games, Apple are twats for being such restrictive power hungry patent trolls, and Google are twats for being such a bunch of tax dodging idiots.

    You know, it is possible to hate companies for all piss poor anti-consumer moves. I'm a customer so I don't owe them a thing, I have no vested interest in defending them and I have every interest in calling them all out when they do bad things.

    But what makes your post so utterly sad is that what you're basically saying is that you're disappointed that I called Sony out with the implication that I shouldn't have, that I should give them a free pass and focus on just the bad things of other companies. Do you know why you think that? Because you're a fanboy. The very thing you're criticising.

  • Re:Deal breaker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Shemmie (909181) on Friday June 07, 2013 @10:16AM (#43935827)

    I totally agree. Owned (and loved owning) two 360's, but I won't be touching the One with a barge pole. Microsoft seems to have taken the relative success of the 360 as a "Well, now we can do what the fuck we like".

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 07, 2013 @10:16AM (#43935831)
    Actually, we understand and acknowledge that these companies want to claim "it's not a sale, it's a license" just fine. We just disagree with the legality of it.

    Especially when these companies want to treat it as a license when it benefits them, but then as a sale when that is more beneficial.

    Doubly so when all the advertisements say "own/buy it today!".
  • by twistedsymphony (956982) on Friday June 07, 2013 @10:18AM (#43935845) Homepage
    The problem isn't with used sales, the problem is that they're changing from a product model to a license model that requires authentication. Just because the publisher are given control over how the license works doesn't solve the problem of when the authentication servers eventually shut down giving you a nice collection of coasters.

    As someone who still owns and occasionally plays many of the games bought new in the late 80s early 90s this bothers me... I have no interest in buying games with an expiration date.
  • Re: Deal breaker (Score:4, Insightful)

    by i kan reed (749298) on Friday June 07, 2013 @10:22AM (#43935905) Homepage Journal

    People modding this troll are being unfair. As someone who likes the console, it needs more games. I played completely through every game I was interested in on it. And I'm a working stiff without a lot of time on his hands. I can't imagine how someone in college or high school would feel.

  • by Sheik Yerbouti (96423) on Friday June 07, 2013 @11:00AM (#43936399) Homepage

    Always on camera, every 24 hours license checks, you have to ask permission to resell your games. If you agree to this you're a chump full stop.

  • Re: Deal breaker (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Narishma (822073) on Friday June 07, 2013 @11:13AM (#43936577)

    The WiiU does 1080p the same way current Xbox 360 and PS3 do. While it's technically possible, in practice the console isn't powerful enough to do it on anything but the most graphically simple games.

  • by dywolf (2673597) on Friday June 07, 2013 @11:24AM (#43936699)

    *knock knock*
    Citizen, we recieved a report that you turned off your telescreen.
    That gives us probable cause to enter and search the premises for illegal activities.

  • Re:Deal breaker (Score:3, Insightful)

    by wbr1 (2538558) on Friday June 07, 2013 @12:20PM (#43937397)
    It is the same procedure congress uses for legislation. Cram as much crap down the voters/customers/plebes throats as possible. When they start to gag and complain, take some of it out. They will be so glad and blinded by the 20% you removed, they won't notice that they still swallowed 80% of the shit.
  • by Culture20 (968837) on Friday June 07, 2013 @01:33PM (#43938581)

    Inkscape is free and already as good as Illustrator.

    I like to advocate FOSS solutions too, but I like to tell the truth while I do so. Illustrator is better than Inkscape, but Inkscape is good enough.

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