22-Year-Old Norwegian Magnus Carlsen Is the New World Chess Champion 131
ardmhacha writes "Magnus Carlsen was able to force a draw in the 10th game of the World Chess Championship to claim the title with a 6.5 — 3.5 score (3 wins, 0 losses, 7 draws) over Viswanathan Anand. Carlsen became the youngest ever World No. 1 in 2010, but withdrew from the 2012 championship cycle and so has only now been able to add the World Champion title to his No. 1 ranking. He won three games and lost none. His first two victories came when he was able to convert small advantages in the endgame into wins. The third (in game 9) came after a blunder from Anand."
Hooray! (Score:1)
Disruption (Score:2)
What kind of disruption? Carlsen has been World #1 since Jan 2010. He hit the highest ELO rating in the history of chess also in Jan 2010. He is also 100 points ahead of the current #2 - Kramnik. He didn't even competer in the World Championship last year when Anand defended his title against the World #20.
Re:Hooray! (Score:5, Funny)
Wikipedia: "Carlsen modelled for G-Star Raw's Autumn/Winter 2010 advertising campaign with actress Liv Tyler." and "Carlsen was selected as one of the "sexiest men of 2013" by Cosmopolitan." He's a pawn star.
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How does he do against computers? (Score:2)
What happens when Magnus plays the strongest computers? Can he win? What computers can he beat?
Re:How does he do against computers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How does he do against computers? (Score:4, Funny)
Computers have moved on to more intellectually challenging games . . . like Jeopardy.
I wonder how Watson would do playing "Wheel of Fortune" or "The Price is Right" . . . ?
. . . and a "Computer Family Feud" . . . priceless!
"The Raspberry Pie was the first to hit the buzzer, before the iPad!"
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He did say "moved on" to other games. I took it to mean "How would a properly prepared Watson do at those games?"
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Well, a "properly prepared" Watson wouldn't be Watson any more. The games Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, and The Price is Right have little in common in terms of the type of algorithm and program needed. Jeopardy is about looking up relatively common factual information, Wheel of Fortune is about guessing phrases, and The Price is Right is about estimating prices -- all worlds apart when it comes to which algorithms would be used.
I suppose the point is that even our most "intelligent" programs and computers ar
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Except that the Watson programmed to diagnose diseases [ibm.com] is still called Watson. A Watson programmed to guess prices would still carry the brand name "Watson."
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I would suspect that a computer much less powerful than Watson could be unbeatable at Wheel of Fortune. The Price is Right might be interesting--you could feed it tons of data about retail prices and not get everything. Could it extrapolate the price of one particular brand of cough drops or dishwasher from other similar products it already knows?
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Computers have moved on to more intellectually challenging games . . . like Jeopardy.
Don't forget [cafemom.com] Rock, Paper, Scissors [wikia.com].
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As we go forward together, let us remember how victory was won [fakeposters.com].
Re:How does he do against computers? (Score:4, Funny)
It's been more than fifteen years since Deep Blue beat Kasparov. Certainly humans don't stand a chance against modern chess software and hardware.
Nonsense. As Kurt Russell demonstrated in The Thing, it is possible for even a very bad player to absolutely destroy a seemingly unbeatable chess computer, as long as you're drunk enough to quell any tendency toward impulse control.
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At the time, Deep Blue was the 259th most powerful supercomputer in the world with special purpose chess chips, a regular desktop today would be strong but not that ridiculously much stronger. I read an article recently from the creator where he guessed seven losses and three draws in ten games. But if you really wanted to you could always build a similar supercomputer (168.1 TFlops vs 11.38 GFlops) that'd be 10000 times more powerful just to make really, really sure.
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Re:How does he do against computers? (Score:4, Insightful)
At the time, Deep Blue was the 259th most powerful supercomputer in the world with special purpose chess chips, a regular desktop today would be strong but not that ridiculously much stronger.
That is true, but software has also improved. We have better chess algorithms (especially pruning algorithms). But, even more importantly, we have better databases of previous games, and opening moves. Playing good chess has less to do with thinking, and more to do with remembering, than most people realize.
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At the time, Deep Blue was the 259th most powerful supercomputer in the world with special purpose chess chips, a regular desktop today would be strong but not that ridiculously much stronger.
That is true, but software has also improved. We have better chess algorithms (especially pruning algorithms). But, even more importantly, we have better databases of previous games, and opening moves. Playing good chess has less to do with thinking, and more to do with remembering, than most people realize.
The new world champion is an interesting deviation here. The previous world champions have relied on extensive preparation - a main part of which is going through existing opening theory and finding weaknesses of the opponent, plus "new theory" - new ideas or moves from previously played opening positions. In some cases, these variations can go on for many moves - and a surprise there can topple an opponent. This requires extensive preparation and a requires a lot of memorisation.
Magnus Carlsen's tradem
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As someone else posted below, the chess software has gotten ridiculously better.
Houdini 3 running on a 4 CPU desktop would likely crush Kasparov or Carlsen today.
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I was watching a live stream of the match, which also showed the next moves suggested by Houdini. Interestingly both players were pretty consistent in selecting the highest ranked moves. The exceptions were the "blunders" which lead to Anand's defeat.
Actually, while they often selected the best move, they also often selected a lower ranked possibility - e.g. 3 - 4. A computer won't do that. However, a computer won't blunder the way they did either. You can come quite far in chess if you never do a move that is shown to be a huge mistake in e.g. 5 moves for each side...
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At the time, Deep Blue was the 259th most powerful supercomputer in the world with special purpose chess chips, a regular desktop today would be strong but not that ridiculously much stronger.
I disagree [lukeprog.com].
More current ELO ratings here [tcec-chess.net].
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Lol. I didn't stand a chance against Sargon III back in the day. Good for this guy!
Re:How does he do against computers? (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Before the match, the computer (and computer programmers) analyzed all of the historical games by Kasparov and his most favored openings; any human at the level of Kasparov will have a very long footprint of history, while Kasparov didn't have any historical games of the computer to look at and to analyze
2. Both matches (1996 & 1997) ended after 6 games with the computer only winning by a 1-2 points, even without #1
3. "The rules provided for the developers to modify the program between games, an opportunity they said they used to shore up weaknesses in the computer's play that were revealed during the course of the match. Kasparov requested printouts of the machine's log files but IBM refused, although the company later published the logs on the Internet" (wikipedia Deep Blue page). I don't think this should have been allowed; the software should be true AI and learning without assistance
4. "Kasparov demanded a rematch, but IBM refused and dismantled Deep Blue." (wikipedia Deep Blue page) Kasparov and others never had another chance to beat it, after finally having a small history of games to analyze its playing style.
However, despite this, I think that a computer will most likely still reign supreme, but to be completely fair, I think it would require a history of games for the opponent to analyze and no human intervention during the match. However, the programmers can add in a "learning" module of some sort that analyzes each game afterwards, but no human intervention (e.g., programmers tweaking lines of code) is allowed during the match of games -- only before or after.
And on a related note, my main gripe with Watson was the physical responsiveness. There were times when the human hand reaction time could just not match the computer physically.
I would like to see a computer play blitz games against a world champion, as long as my gripe with Watson is ensured that they can't move physically faster than a human's reaction time.
Re:How does he do against computers? (Score:5, Informative)
The computer would not need a history of games of the opponents.
Computer chess has moved so far ahead of human players that Carlsen would have been utterly destroyed. These days, spectators watch the game with chess computers on the side, since the chess computers can tell properly which player is ahead, while spectators wouldn't be able to tell properly.
Chess engines such as Houdini, Stockfish and a variety of others have ratings well above 3100. Carlsen has a rating of 2872. He would be crushed.
Re:How does he do against computers? (Score:4, Informative)
utterly destroyed
I would say easily beaten in a match, but definitely not utterly destroyed. In 2003, Kasparov drew with X3D Fritz. In 2006, Kramnik was beaten 4-2. Grandmasters still have draws and sometimes wins; that is not utterly destroyed IMO. I think utterly destroyed would be straight wins with 0 points. I'm also curious about different timing (e.g., 10 minute games) and chess variations (e.g., Fischerrandom/Chess960 and Capablanca chess).
ratings well above 3100
Computer chess ratings aren't accurate for computers (as they're banned from tournaments and humans progress from bad to the best so hard to push rating beyond 3000). 3100+, when translated, simply means a bit better than Carlsen, but we have no idea about its true rating. During the 1st 9 matches, all chess engines gave every move by Carlsen a sub-optimal (meaning there are many branches that could lead to optimal, but can't go enough plys/levels deep to determine) to optimal rating. The 10th match had the only bad move by Carlsen that I remember. I don't think Carlsen would be utterly destroyed against a "3100" elo rated chess engine, but probably beaten 3 to 2&1/2.
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Perhaps that's one reason why Bobby Fischer remains so fascinating. Fischer DID utterly destroy opponents on the way to the chess championship. He won the Interzonal tournament by 3.5 points (a HUGE margin for such a strong tournament) and followed that by 6-0 defeats of Mark Taimanov and Bent Larssen. Next was a 6.5-2.5 defeat of Tigran Petrosian, a bulldog of a player who was notoriously difficult to score a full point on. Finally, he won the championship match against Spassky by a 12.5-8.5 score, despite
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He was asked if he wanted to play against Houdini (http://www.houdinichess.com/) and stated that he could think of other ways of making himself look like an idiot.
Houdini seems like a pretty neat program, it runs on a single machine (Windows) and has been given a rating of about ~3200.
Comparing Houdini and Deep blue shows how far computing has come. Deep blue ran on custom hardware to optimize it for chess, while Houdini only needs Windows, 64-bit with 8 cores (Not sure about them Ghz though).
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Computer engines like Stockfish win, hands down. In fact I was running Stockfish analysis alongside some of the games and within seconds it had identified bad moves, like when Anand failed to take a pawn, or when he moved a rook instead of a pawn that allowed Carlsen to win instead of draw. Deep Blue was on the erge of being better than humans - 10 years later, chess engines are miles better than humans.
That's pretty old... (Score:2)
That's pretty old; how many FLOPS?
News for Nerds (Score:4, Insightful)
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I agree. :) It's the perfect article.
And hey, congratulations, Magnus!
Re:News for Nerds (Score:5, Interesting)
And editor Soulskill made some useful edits to my submission as well, adding links to the individual games and changing my "(+3 -0 =7)" results to a more understandable (to non chess players) "(3 wins, 0 losses, 7 draws)"
http://slashdot.org/submission/3137241/22-year-old-norwegian-magnus-carlsen-is-the-new-world-chess-champion [slashdot.org]
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I've been lurking on Slashdot since the 90s, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone compliment an editor. Wow.
Kudos.
soon to be 23 years old (Score:2)
His birthday is in a week.
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Who are you, his mom?
Sponsor logos (Score:3)
I realize that they have to make money, but I find the sponsor logos on their jackets rather tacky.
So what? (Score:1)
I realize that they have to make money, but I find the sponsor logos on their jackets rather tacky.
What do you propose as an alternative from up there on your high horse? If you've got a better idea, let's hear it.
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Whether or not a better solution exists has nothing to do with whether or not the chosen solution is good. Nice non sequitur.
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high horse?
Who are you, a marketing rep for Quilted Northern?
Re:Sponsor logos (Score:4, Funny)
I realize that they have to make money, but I find the sponsor logos on their jackets rather tacky.
I guess you won't like Carlsen's new television advertisement for adult incontinence diapers: "For an impenetrable defense."
Why chess? (Score:4, Interesting)
Some time around the seventh century, a new board game appears in India. Its pieces include a counsellor, elephants, chariots, infantrymen, horsemen and a king. Called chaturanga, it's the ancestor of modern chess - and a game of war. But if chess in all its variations has been used historically to illustrate battlefield tactics and probe new strategies, today nothing's changed. Teams at the Swedish national defence college in Stockholm and the defence science and technology organisation in Australia are studying the game afresh in an attempt to understand better how to gain military success. In Sweden, the researchers are using real players. In Australia, the team has run tens of thousands of virtual games - with some clear messages for their military sponsors.
On the face of it, the bloodless, low-tech game of chess might seem to bear little resemblance to modern warfare. "But it resembles real war in many respects," maintains Jan Kuylenstierna, one of the Swedish researchers. "Chess involves a struggle of will, and it contains what has been termed the essentials of fighting - to strike, to move and to protect." By studying chess and other adversarial abstract games such as checkers (draughts), researchers can strip away some of the confusion of the battlefield and identify the factors that are most important for winning, says Jason Scholz, who leads the Australian work. "The strength of this approach is our level of abstraction," Scholz says.
Imagine chess replacing actual war.
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Imagine chess replacing actual war.
You mean like this [wikipedia.org]?
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Imagine chess replacing actual war.
Imagine unicorns playing leapfrog. Roughly the same likelihood of actually occurring.
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unless it is a horn-less unicorn....
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Imagine chess replacing actual war.
We'd use drones then too. ...actually, that last one wouldn't be a bad thing.
The BAU would be scanning eye movements and microgestures of the opponent.
The NSA generate a mental model simulating the opponent.
The CIA would drug the opponent and kidnap his family.
The TSA would anally probe them entering the country.
And NASA would move the board to the moon.
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Just wrong. War haven't been won by battlefield strategy for over a century.
All modern warfare is won by bringing more 'pieces to the game' than your opponent. A stronger economy before the war and a stronger production during the war makes you the winner.
In that regard modern computerized strategy games are more accurate.
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Damn it!! (Score:2)
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Ah, don't reduce your culture to such mundane things - you'll always have Chicken Vindaloo!
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I have some more bad news for you...
Actually it was Anand that forced the draw. (Score:3, Interesting)
In that ending, the only side that had winning chances was the side with the pawns. Magnus was playing for the win.
Norway starts working again (Score:5, Interesting)
(Norwegian source: http://e24.no/media/dnb-maatte-stenge-tilgangen-til-sjakk-vm/22641053 [e24.no])
What was the "huge mistake" by Anand? (Score:4, Interesting)
I read the articles and am kind of a novice chess player but I can't figure out what this "huge blunder" that Vishy made? He was playing white and didn't respond properly to an attack from black? This would be huge, right? Isn't it typically when playing white you play to win and black you play to draw (that one-move advantage is huge)? So the fact that Carlsen got a win as Black was huge, right?
Can someone explain the details of the mistake to me? The commentators and commenters all make it seem obvious but I can't tell what's going on.
I've always wanted to be good at chess (I equate it to being "smart") but I've never been able to be very good at it.
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Nf1 iirc game 9 was a huge blunder, allowed newly promoted queen to trade for Anands rook and halting mate threat.
bf1 would have saved the attack maintaining a slight material advantage for Carlsen
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The players were interviewed after the game. The "blunder" was discussed. My impression was (from what both Anand and Carlsen said in the interview) was that the natural move Bf1 was insufficient, so without much consideration Anand chose the alternative Nf1. Since he did analyze Bf1 as insufficient, and Nf1 was the only alternative, and time on his clock is a factor this IMHO is not a blunder. There were only two moves in the position, Nf1 and Bf1. After Nf1, the game is lost for white, even against a f
Re:What was the "huge mistake" by Anand? (Score:5, Informative)
Isn't it typically when playing white you play to win and black you play to draw (that one-move advantage is huge)? So the fact that Carlsen got a win as Black was huge, right?
With grandmasters, it's said that there is a slight advantage too white, but it's still not huge. It's still theoretical, and I don't think black is that bad off IMO.
Can someone explain the details of the mistake to me?
Are you talking about game 9? Well, essentially at the blunder point, black has 2 queens. With the blunder knight move by Anand, Carlsen then moves to Qe1. Now, when Anand moves Rh4 threating mate, Carlsen can simply trade the queen for the rook. Now Carlsen will be up by a rook (~5 points). This is a huge advantage and no way for Anand to win, as his mating opportunity is now completely lost.
I've always wanted to be good at chess (I equate it to being "smart") but I've never been able to be very good at it.
The Polgar's have some good books. Study middlegame and endgame puzzles. Play a lot of games online. Most people think that fast games and overuse of computer analysis weakens your play, so play long games when you can and use computers analysis sparingly. Also, study historical games by masters (see if you can predict the next move). As far as openings, as a beginner, just pick a solid line for white (I suggest pawn d4) and a simple response for black from white's pawn e4/d4. The more games and puzzles you do, the better you will be. Play in local tournaments to keep your motivation up or join a club. Eventually, buy a book on openings or even start studying unorthodox/irregular openings (as they're a lot of fun and it rattles people); Nc3 (dunst opening) is usually regarded as the strongest irregular opening.
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I'm no great shakes as a chess player but we are in good company as Gary Kasparov asked the commentating grandmasters not to call these moves "blunders" as they are made by two of the very best players. Carlsen is famous for exploiting small inaccuarcies by his opponents, so maybe "inaccuracy" rather than "blunder"?
regards, RSleepy.
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I agree with the sentiment, but this was a blunder if there ever was one. The game immediately went from an even position to a lost one. iirc Anand was under severe time pressure when he made this move.
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Explanation of game 9: http://en.chessbase.com/post/chennai-09-thrilling-fight-tarnished [chessbase.com]
A champion may not even exist (Score:3)
They're chess grandmasters, but they are still not able to deduce that "beating" is not necessarily a mathematical total order.
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Or maybe they don't care whether it's a total order or not, because they have things like Elo ratings to approximate that in real time.
It so happens that Carlssen has been absolutely destroying the Elo classification for years now. Fun fact: the gap between Magnus Carlssen and number 2 on the FIDE list (Levon Aronian) is equal to the gap between number 2 and number 20! (Source: http://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men [fide.com] )
What a Championship gives you is "the man who beat the man". It's more a honorary title
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I think the point that was being raised is that when you have different metrics of what constitutes "best"--e.g., "who is has the highest Elo rating" versus "who is the most recent winner of the world championship match," then it is possible (as was the case until just recently) that the answers to these questions could be two different people.
Personally, from all the evidence I've seen of various chess games played in recent times, I think it's fairly safe to say that Magnus Carlsen is the highest-performi
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They're chess grandmasters, but they are still not able to deduce that "beating" is not necessarily a mathematical total order.
True, but in this case it doesn't really matter much:
1. The World Championship match is always a fairly long affair, enough time for the law of averages to take hold.
2. Magnus Carlsen is the highest-rated player in the world right now, which means that over his recent tournament play he is in fact the best there is.
3. To get to play for the World Championship, you have to win the candidate's tournament. Yes, it's theoretically possible for the not-best player to win the tournament, but it's very unlikely th
Re:A champion may not even exist (Score:4, Insightful)
In this context, a total order satisfies transitivity. But being "better" in chess doesn't necessarily satisfy this property. What this means is that on average, player B wins against player A more frequently, and player C wins against player B more frequently, but player A could also win against C more frequently, making it impossible to state that any single player is the "best." This can occur because different players can exhibit particular strengths and weaknesses in different aspects of the game.
Note that it is important to talk about the above in terms of 'average' performance. Although chess is deterministic, there are random sources of variation in skill, in that a given player does not consistently choose the move that reflects their true skill level (i.e., they sometimes make a mistake, or they have a flash of insight).
For an interesting, rather counterintuitive, and simple example of non-transitivity, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontransitive_dice [wikipedia.org] .
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For the rest of your reply, the same could be applied to any sport: tennis, scrabble, basketball, etc. It's called the "human" element. People may be sick or under stress or whatever and blunder. It's also apart of the sport. You should try to maintain your health so that you win on game day; if your opponent stays in better health, then tough. Staying healthy (not sick) and injury-free is apart of your t
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You've misunderstood the first paragraph of my previous response. Non-transitivity is a property that is potentially exhibited by the nature of the ranking itself. More tournaments and matches will not eliminate non-transitivity from the ranking.
A very simple example of non-transitivity is the game of rock-paper-scissors. Rock crushes scissors, scissors cuts paper, and paper covers rock. No single choice is "better" than the other two. Although the evidence suggests that Carlsen is clearly the highest-
Caught The Last 30 Minutes On Twitch (Score:1)
I know chess rules but, like Hold'em, I can't actually play worth a spit against skill. Even still, Jerry's commentary and what-if's on the mini-board, along with viewer strategems I had a blast!
Grats, Magnus!
In related news... (Score:2, Interesting)
... TCEC 2013 [wikipedia.org], sort of a computer Chess World Championship has end its 4th round [chessdom.com]. The winner of the previous stages is an open source engine: Stockfish [stockfishchess.org], and it will play the Superfinal (48 games) against the second player: Komodo. The winner of previous years, Houdini, ended in third place.
A red letter day for Norway (Score:2)
Two stories involving Norway on the Slashdot home page at the same time.
Todd Alquist (Score:2)
Is it me or in some shots does Magnus Carlsen bear a striking resemblance to Todd Alquist (Jesse Plemons)? When I first saw a few pictures I thought uncle Jack secured his victory by paying Anand's family a visit.
The Vishy will strike back... (Score:2, Interesting)
Anand certainly wasn't on form, and is aging, but I can see him still coming back next year. (And good job Carlsen!)
And what a finish to the Championship, the players actually playing out the reduction to King versus King.
By the way: Wherever you live, it's likely your local chess club would like you to drop in for a game (or to learn.) You don't have to be a Grandmaster to enjoy over the board chess.
Yadda, yadda, yadda (Score:1)
Anand should retire (Score:1)
Discount nike shoes outlet, save 60% Off!!! (Score:1)
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Re:WH Pushes Next Year's Enrollment Period Deadlin (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe he's just earning a few bucks:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/20/2218252/bp-hired-company-to-troll-users-who-left-critical-comments [slashdot.org]
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Well, thank you so much for reminding me. I just died, yet not before I had written a simple shell script to insert this post after my death, of course.