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EA's Dungeon Keeper Ratings Below a 5 Go To Email Black Hole 367

Posted by timothy
from the every-blizzard-is-crisp-and-refreshing dept.
fplatten writes "I would definitely call this unethical manipulation of the ratings system: the Worst Company in America, EA is routing all ratings made in game of 1 to 4 stars as an email that is sent to EA, but all 5 star ratings are routed to the Google Play store, where its rating is currently 4.3 out of 5."
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EA's Dungeon Keeper Ratings Below a 5 Go To Email Black Hole

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08, 2014 @11:21PM (#46199905)

    Anyone who would pay money for in game stuff in dungeon keeper is a retard anyway. They aren't going to be reading this story on Slashdot , at least not non-beta.

  • by Chad Smith (3448823) on Saturday February 08, 2014 @11:25PM (#46199925)
    Instead of a black hole you get routed to 'WE HEAR YOU We did tell you we wanted feedback. Here's our response.' http://meta.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]
  • Fraud? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DoofusOfDeath (636671) on Saturday February 08, 2014 @11:30PM (#46199949)

    Is this not criminal misrepresentation of their product?

  • by DoofusOfDeath (636671) on Saturday February 08, 2014 @11:34PM (#46199977)

    How do you know it's the admins doing that? I can't remember having the ability to see which users mod a given post.

  • by Sable Drakon (831800) on Saturday February 08, 2014 @11:54PM (#46200049)
    Never rate an app from within the app itself. We all know it's super convienent, but at the same time it's subject to this kind of trickery.
  • by ZenMatrix (1299517) on Saturday February 08, 2014 @11:54PM (#46200051)
    guys seriously I think beta is stupid... but all the anti Beta posts are ruining this site more then that is. I come here more for the comments then the stories since they tend to have a better concept of the story then the poster does.
  • by noh8rz10 (2716597) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:15AM (#46200135)

    bahahaha HOSTS to the rescue! dude, instead of spamming the lists for the past years, it works much better if you actually provide advice such as this. I will try this. thank you.

  • by Kremmy (793693) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:17AM (#46200145)
    Not really about the UI redesign, but rather a number of issues relating to it, such as the fact that they've been attempting to fast track the roll-out of the beta. Fast tracking the roll out of an incomplete UI redesign that lacks core functionality, blindly claiming it's an improvement to the degree of actively replacing the production system. This is not how you create a product, this is how you DESTROY a product.
  • Fuck beta (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:29AM (#46200179)

    Fuck beta - more original? How about FUCK BETA TWICE WITH A RUSTY 3U SERVER NODE!

  • by dmbasso (1052166) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:38AM (#46200213)

    Ok, so one off-topic comment about your sig: if you expect the relevant, informative, on-topic comments you regularly read here on slashdot, join in against the new beta. If they decide to just ignore our requests, be sure this place will drastically reduce the quality of the comments. Unless you come here to read the "nigga this", "faggot that", "goatse" trolls that are all too common. Then by all means, support beta.

  • by CTU (1844100) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:38AM (#46200215) Journal

    If I had mod points I might use one to mod down the whining about the beta. It is to much, take it to some place that means anything or STFU. Not like posting in the news will change or fix anything

  • It's all the same (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stoploss (2842505) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:43AM (#46200231)

    I'm hardly surprised that EA is doing something mendacious and evil; but it's a trifle gutsy to overtly game Google's rating system.

    Meh, one good coercive scam deserves another. I just checked my Google Play app and attempted to rate an app (never had tried before). Lo and behold, rating apps requires Google Plus and all ratings will be linked to one's public profile.

    No thanks. EA and Google deserve each other.

    Oh, and Dice belongs with them for their plans to destroy this community^Waudience.

  • by techno-vampire (666512) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:45AM (#46200237) Homepage
    Yes. Clearly their attitude is, "We wanted feedback. We hear you, but we don't care. We're going to make Slashdot beta the only interface whether anybody likes it or not." And, the day that happens is the day I stop following Slashdot.
  • by Dzimas (547818) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:53AM (#46200283)
    The beta design simply doesn't have the information density of the production version. Instead of scanning for interesting comments, I scroll until I get sick of scrolling and then back out to the next thread. This isn't a situation in which users are grumbling because they don't like change; it's an instance where the redesign has a dramatic negative effect on the UX. That's a potential site killer.
  • by tibman (623933) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:59AM (#46200307) Homepage

    Sounds like victim blaming. "Beta didn't do it. You did it by not accepting Beta." There is always resistance to change. But the change has to at least bring something better to the table. Not a reduction in functionality. If the villagers didn't riot and just left quietly instead then you would still be left wanting better comments.

  • by Xeno man (1614779) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @01:00AM (#46200313)
    Except that it is not well intentioned. What they are doing is per-filtering people and anyone that says they would rate 5, they direct them to the rating site. Anyone that does not want to rate 5 they direct away from the rating site. Regardless what they may or may not do with user feed back, they are still artificially inflating their games score by hiding the rating site from anyone that doesn't want to give full ratings.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @02:09AM (#46200501)
    This is probably the most insightful perspective I have seen on Slashdot about this mess we find ourselves in. Below is a direct cut and paste. It is not my post, but he states my perspective far more eloquently than I usually say things...

    Fuck beta (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Indigo (2453) Alter Relationship on Saturday February 08, 2014 @03:08PM (#46198875)

    The new Slashdot design is based on Windows 8. That fact alone, even aside from the numerous usability issues, indicates that the new owners have no fucking idea in the world what they've acquired.

    Slashdot is a technology site, a geek site, an open source site, a programming site, an Internet / Web advocacy site. But more than that, it is a Linux community site. It lives and dies by its community. That community, by and large, is made up of passionate Linux advocates who can be whipped into a frenzy at the mention of Microsoft, who think Bill Gates is the Great Satan, who sincerely believe in free and open source software, and who implement that passion in their lives, hobbies, and jobs. Sure, not everyone here fits the mold. But that's the core of the community.

    As one single data point, I work on simulators in the aerospace segment. We develop and integrate specialized, whole-system, software-only simulators, supporting software development when the hardware has limited availability or hasn't been built yet. Our user community is not large, but includes key technical people at well known organizations. Like others we interface with, our work has gone from Windows and Linux in the beginning, to mostly Linux, plus Windows if we have to. That's how we like it. Linux works for us - it's developer friendly, it's rock solid, it's quite deployable, and it lets us do what we need to do. And a bunch of us come to Slashdot to catch the news on Linux and other geek-worthy subjects, and discuss it with others.

    And now the owners, having acquired this rather unique and valuable site, want to make it into Windows fucking 8 - the friendly, cuddly, but unusable Fisher-Price operating system that represents everything we despise? The mind reels. You might as well just make it a SEO parking page for Microsoft.

    Seriously, DICE, do not do this thing. I know you don't care about the history, community, or shared values of this site, but this move will destroy them, and take the site with it. It will become a ghost town, abandoned by its residents, only visited by tourists and people that got lost on their way somewhere else.

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  • by nitehawk214 (222219) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @03:08AM (#46200757)

    Also it solves nothing when they put beta in as the live site and remove the "classic" site.

    Presumably that will not last long when they see readers flocking away. But who knows, the corporate masters at Dice are probably demanding new readers; and somehow the staff thinks they will acheive this by turning it into a combination of the lack of a user interface for comments that ars has, with the shitty front page that Digg had.

  • by Bob9113 (14996) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @04:21AM (#46201025) Homepage

    displayed on a nerd=site where all negative comments about the quality of the site are hidden away as -1 or off topic

    Don't look now, but your negative comment about the quality of this site is currently modded as +4 Interesting.

    Ah-Ha! But that only proves the point! You see, they intentionally allowed your comment to be modded up so they can point to it and say, "See, we didn't mod that one into oblivion!" Tricksy Hobbitses!

    Oh yeah, and, Fuck Beta.

  • by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @07:01AM (#46201575)

    Short term, yes. But if EA gets away with this, other developers are sure to follow, and the loss of an effective ratings would seriously hurt the play store's reputation - pontentially easily doing enough financial damage in lost business to offset whatever they make from this one game.

  • by war4peace (1628283) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @07:44AM (#46201713)

    Maybe all the downmods are coming from people like me, who come to /. for the articles and comments, not caring about site design, who owns what and political bullshit implications.
    I come here to see informative comments on the subject at hand and read relevant news. What you guys are doing is noise I loathe.
    It's like going to a cafe to have a good coffee and overhear interesting conversation about the soft volume music playing, and when owner decides to redesign the cafe's interior, some tards start screaming in my ear whenever a new song is played, just because they don't like the new paintwork.
    And when other patrons flag them as vandals, they come up with a "conspiracy theory".
    You and your kind are vandals in my opinion. You don't like the new cafe paintwork? Feel free to go to another or create your own. but please, leave me be. Allow me to read the articles and relevant comments.
    You're the kid in this video, and I'm the other customer.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com]

  • by ultranova (717540) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:15AM (#46201803)

    Maybe all the downmods are coming from people like me, who come to /. for the articles and comments, not caring about site design, who owns what and political bullshit implications.

    The implication of site design on a site where content is user-generated is whether said content - comments, in Slashdot's case - keeps being generated. The consensus seems to be that Beta is sufficiently bad in this regard to give the deathblow to Slashdot.

    It's like going to a cafe to have a good coffee and overhear interesting conversation about the soft volume music playing, and when owner decides to redesign the cafe's interior, some tards start screaming in my ear whenever a new song is played, just because they don't like the new paintwork.

    Beta is not paintwork. Beta is a set of sound-absorbing elements that stop those conversations from being overheard but look trendy. And, this being Slashdot, the coffee is two weeks old and has already been drunk in at least two other cafes.

    Allow me to read the articles and relevant comments.

    The main complaint about Beta is that it makes it difficult to read comments, and almost impossible to read them in their context.

  • by wisnoskij (1206448) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @10:01AM (#46202217) Homepage

    I agree to an extent, and 100% for the upcoming gui, but we are not all Linux fanatics.

    Linux makes Windows look like a stinking pile of garbage, in some areas.
    And Windows makes Linux look like a stinking pile in others.

    Linux is perfect for most corporate tasks, imho.
    But Linux just makes a poor personal computer OS, for the vast majority of personal computer tasks.

  • by drinkypoo (153816) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Sunday February 09, 2014 @11:11AM (#46202551) Homepage Journal

    UI changes are not something to act disruptive in every fricking thread over, even if they reduce features.

    Slashdot has two things, comments and a UI. If you fuck up the UI so that you can't easily comment, it will have zero things. Many of us have dare I say invested a lot of time here, and it's reasonable to attempt to protect that investment by spending more time bitching about the proposed changes. The fact that you're seeing so many messages of complaint is that it's a big deal to many people. If you're not one of them, consider yourself counted, but realize that you're protesting protest which is both bitchy and hypocritical.

  • by swillden (191260) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:00PM (#46202855) Homepage Journal

    Allowing anonymous ratings results in rating stuffing. Requiring that an identity be associated with the rating doesn't completely prevent it, of course, but it does reduce it dramatically, especially if the identity in question has a social network, because it makes creating the backstory to substantiate the rating harder.

    The social network also facilitates allowing people to easily discover what their friends and acquaintances think of apps, which often provides more information than aggregated ratings by strangers, resulting in a better service.

    I'm not saying that you should like it, or agree with it, or change your mind about using it. Just explaining the rationale.

    It's related to the reason that so many news sites' comment pages are requiring an identity linkage. Anonymity encourages garbage comments, and requiring people to put their name on what they write makes most of them more thoughtful. Of course this also has the effect of silencing people who have reason to fear that their on-line comments may have negative real-world consequences for them.

    There is no perfect solution, but in many contexts requiring an identity for participation seems to improve quality enough that on balance it's a good idea, IMO.

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