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Sony Releasing New 1TB PlayStation 4 In July 98

Posted by samzenpus from the more-storage dept.
Mark Wilson writes: Known as the 1TB PS4 Ultimate Player Edition (or PlayStation 4 Ultimate Player 1TB Edition depending on who you're talking to), Sony is launching a new PlayStation 4 next month. With the ever-growing market for downloadable content, it's difficult to have too much disk space. Recognizing this, Sony is doubling the size of the largest capacity PS4. The 1TB console will launch next month in the US, Asia and Europe, and the announcement comes just weeks after Microsoft announced a 1TB version of its Xbox One. Gamers in Japan will be able to get their hands on the console by the end of June, but the rest of the world will have to wait until July 15. There's no word on pricing, but Sony has detailed a few other changes that have been made to this version of the console.
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  • The Japanese company does a world-wide release.
    The American company does a Japan-first release.

    • The Japanese company does a world-wide release.
      The American company does a Japan-first release.

      You might be a little confused. Here's some clarification:

      announcement comes just weeks after Microsoft announced a 1TB version of its Xbox One. Gamers in Japan will be able to get their hands on the console [The PS4] by the end of June

      Sony is releasing the 1TB PS4 in Japan first, the rest of the world July 15. XBone is just mentioned in passing for comparison of announcement dates.

  • Why? (Score:1)

    by Ormy ( 1430821 )
    Why is this news? I know slashdot includes technology news but is every minor update to console hardware worth a story here? Really? Especially since you can buy a 4TB HDD quite cheaply now.

    • I didn't see much "news" in that little biddy article, I saw a sales pitch and video.

      • I didn't see much "news" in that little biddy article, I saw a sales pitch and video.

        In America, that's what IS known as "news."

    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mlts ( 1038732 ) on Monday June 22, 2015 @05:18PM (#49965131)

      I don't want a console, regardless of maker. They symbolize a fundamental pacts broken:

      During the "don't copy that floppy" era, there were promises made repeatedly that if piracy went away, prices on software would decrease sharply. When the latest and greatest DRM system hit, it was mentioned that if piracy went away, the money spent on that would be shaved off the prices of games and other items.

      Well, fast forward to today. Consoles have a 0% piracy rate on the latest gen, and previous gen consoles get perma-banned if the network detects they were modded. Have game prices on consoles gone down as repeatedly pledged to us? No. In fact, to play a game (or actually get a "game"'s worth of content), it requires hundreds of dollars of DLC.

      So, consoles are an embodiment of a lie promised to the consumer repeatedly, but for the price of a PC game, one gets the luxury of paying a lot more for an immutable, unmodable game, which can't even be sold at a used game store.

      • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Dragonslicer ( 991472 ) on Monday June 22, 2015 @06:57PM (#49965747)
        Isn't the price of a new game typically $50-60? That's the same as 20 years ago, so in inflation-adjusted dollars, the prices have dropped quite a bit.

        I do agree with you about the extra downloadable content issue, but I don't usually buy games like those.

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by shione ( 666388 )

          Those are some good points made by mlts.

          Even if console prices have come down like you say, they haven't come down as much as they should with zero copyright infringement. You can see this by comparing games that get released on consoles and the pc at the same time. The vast majority of the time, (maybe even all the time?), the pc release is cheaper than it is on a console. But at the same time the pc is the most open and 'pirated' platform. hmmm...

          I think mlts has made some good points. It was always a sha

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Xest ( 935314 )

            Yeah, the problem is the cost of game development has escalated drastically.

            So instead of reducing prices they just opted to give us bigger and better games.

            It's easy to make a promise about reducing prices if piracy reduces when all games can be made with a team of 3 in 6 months, but without the foresight that people demand bigger and better games that promise rings a bit naive.

            I found my old Hero Quest video game the other day, price tag on it was £24.99. That would be £50 now and

          • The vast majority of the time, (maybe even all the time?), the pc release is cheaper than it is on a console.

            That hasn't been the case in the US for years now.

            But at the same time the pc is the most open and 'pirated' platform. hmmm...

            PC gamers are notoriously cheap when it comes to software, especially those outside the US.

            But now that's gone too, once you buy it its worth basically nothing because you can't sell it to anyone. So not only have console companies kept prices higher with zero copyright infringement they've kept prices high after cutting out the second hard market.

            Where do you get the idea you can't sell physical copies second hand? Because you can.

          • I certainly wasn't trying to argue that the prices 20 years ago or the relative decrease in price since then was in any way connected to copyright infringement. I only meant to point out that the relative price for a new game has gone down. Exactly why that has happened, I don't really know.
        • My buddy and I were talking about this. Top Gear on SNES in 1993: $55 bucks at launch. Forza 5 on Xbox One in 2014 with all DLC $120. About the same adjusted for inflation, but Forza 5 is a damn sight more intricate a game.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by _merlin ( 160982 )

        I disagree. On Wii U I'm paying similar dollar amounts to what SNES carts cost back in the '90s, and getting far more content for it. So I'm paying less in inflation-adjusted terms for more content. None of the games I've bought have required DLC to get full content. I did buy the DLC for Mario Kart 8, but it's about $10 for 16 new tracks. That's great value even if you only play each of the new tracks once.

      • Have game prices on consoles gone down as repeatedly pledged to us?

        considering the amount of content, even in games with DLC, in modern games and taking inflation in account, we pay less. Remember, some single screen Atari 2600 games went for $40 bucks.

        No. In fact, to play a game (or actually get a "game"'s worth of content), it requires hundreds of dollars of DLC.>/quote>

        What game has hundreds of dollars of "required" DLC?

        which can't even be sold at a used game store.

        Where did you get that idea? Because you can. Perhaps you missed the news that Microsoft backtracked on that? As for Sony, you've always been able to sell retail releases.

        But "real gamers", meaning gamers who don't only play tthe brown-shooter-of-the-week or sports-game-of-the-season, don't sell games.

      • No. In fact, to play a game (or actually get a "game"'s worth of content), it requires hundreds of dollars of DLC.

        Ridiculous, it doesn't require that. Just wait 6 months to a year (there's plenty of games to play in the meantime), and the game'll fall to $20 with all of the DLC included.

        Heck, I got the Mass Effect Trilogy for $5 in one of the PSN sales.. (No, I'm not one of the people who pays for the continuous account.)

  • Cool feature but... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gameboyhippo ( 827141 ) on Monday June 22, 2015 @04:47PM (#49964917) Journal

    I'd be sold on PS4 if it had BC with PS3. There isn't enough content that I like for me to want to get the PS4 yet, but I wouldn't mind upgrading if it had backwards compatibility.

    • Probably not going to happen because of this. [playstation.com] Sony doesn't want you to be able to play the games you already bought. Then again, Microsoft doesn't really want you to either, but they're behind in the game, so their hand was forced. Also, backward compatibility only supports a handful of games. I typically don't buy a console until 3-4 years after it's out, then I can get GOTY editions of games for $30 instead of new "patched out of the box" games for $60.

      • Sony doesn't want you to be able to play the games you already bought.

        Making a slight amendment to this: Sony doesn't want you to be able to play the games you already bought without paying for them again. Sony could blow the whole backward compatible thing out of the water though, if they could scan your account for games you already bought (maybe using your trophies list?) and give you free access to those in PS Now.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Sony doesn't want you to be able to play the games you already bought.

          Making a slight amendment to this: Sony doesn't want you to be able to play the games you already bought without paying for them again. Sony could blow the whole backward compatible thing out of the water though, if they could scan your account for games you already bought (maybe using your trophies list?) and give you free access to those in PS Now.

          The problem with scanning your account for trophies is that it gives anyone with a redbox account or something similar a way a game for a pittance. They would probably have to demand that the physical disc be present for proof you actually have whatever it is you're trying to play. Digital games don't really matter, since you need to be signed in with your PlayStation account to access them anyway.

        • Sony could blow the whole backward compatible thing out of the water though, if they could scan your account for games you already bought (maybe using your trophies list?) and give you free access to those in PS Now.

          The only reasonable way is to take your game discs, destroy them (removing them from the used market) and issue you a code. And by "reasonable" I mean it's the only way that Sony can know you're not boning them, because discs aren't uniquely serialized.

          Someday perhaps we will get discs with UUIDs on them, and then they can do what you suggest. More likely discs will just go away, though, and this will be a moot issue in the future. They can either bring your licenses forward, or not.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Probably not going to happen because of this. Sony doesn't want you to be able to play the games you already bought. Then again, Microsoft doesn't really want you to either, but they're behind in the game, so their hand was forced. Also, backward compatibility only supports a handful of games. I typically don't buy a console until 3-4 years after it's out, then I can get GOTY editions of games for $30 instead of new "patched out of the box" games for $60.

        Sony wants you to buy it again. The number of re-rele

      • Let me put aside the "they want more money" argument as I don't quite get why it would apply to a single company.

        Let's check PS3 and PS4 hardware:.
        PS3: Cell CPU with one "generic" core and 8 vector cores. (that single core ran at 3.2Ghz and was quite fast even by today's standards)
        PS4: 8 AMD "Jaguar" cores. People normally badmouth AMD, but Jaguar's were best perf/watt at the point consoles were released, if we trust anandtech.
        Anyway, there are 8 SMALL cores now, you must multi-thread to effectively use it

        • PS3: Cell CPU with one "generic" core

          It's Hyperthreaded as well, with an Altivec unit. It was DAMN fast on certain tasks (as any PS3 Linux user could tell you) The GIMP performs faster on a PS3 than it did on your average 2006-2008 vintage dual-core.

          So yeah, making the PS4 backwards compatible with the PS3 would be very difficult. It's why they have PlayStation Now. Though I expect they'll eventually get around to doing something like: "Put a PS3 game in a PS4, pay a small fee and you get unlimited access to that game on PS Now.", sort o

      • Also, backward compatibility only supports a handful of games.

        Is that part referring to the newly announced Xbox One backwards compatibility?

        If so, didn't they announce a *hundred* to start with, with hundreds more to come? Even if you totally discount the "hundreds more" part (don't count on vaporware), that's likely to be 100 of the most popular games.

        Seems like a win to me.. (and even though I already have far too many games I've already bought (cheaply) that I haven't finished, the backwards compatib

    • Sony dominated the market with the PS1 and PS2, and the resulting arrogance showed in the design and launch of the PS3. Its Cell CPU architecture was powerful enough, but so bizarre and confusing that it took unnecessary effort and time for developers to learn it. Porting games to and from the PS3 was a pain in the ass, which IMO was by design. PS3 expected to continue dominating the market and therefore many publishers, when faced with the extra cost of developing for two consoles with different archite

  • Does it come with email?

    • Nope, but your store account will be pre-hacked so that you don't have that to worry about...

      Meant as humor. I know Sony is a big bad evil thing but I prefer them over their competition for game consoles...

    • I suppose so, if you use webmail. I haven't tried the web browser with gmail or my ISP's webmail interface.

  • I'm not a PS4 (or any other console) fanboy, but I read this and can't help wonder: It there anything that stops a user from replacing the hard drive in a PS4 with a larger drive themselves (wonky interfaces? self destruct when opened cases? magic formatting of the drive that can't readily be duplicated?)? Is it a typical 3.5 inch drive or a smaller drive?

    Since we are finally admitting that size matters and Sony will still be offering only a 1TB drive, and 2TB drives available well under $75 and 4TB or

    • seriously just give me some usb ports and allow me to bring my own external HDD.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        The PS4 has USB ports and you can hook up an external HDD.

        As long as all you want to do is play music and movies off of it. You can't use it for anything game-related.

        Because Sony.

      • Re:Dues it matter? (Score:4, Informative)

        by dissy ( 172727 ) on Monday June 22, 2015 @05:42PM (#49965277)

        Better than that, you can just swap out the internal HD with another HD (or SSD) of your choosing.

        It must be a 2.5" drive that is 9.5mm (or less), and 5400rpm to match the built in drive but faster drives will show the speed improvement.

        You can then backup your game saves to a USB drive, swap out the internal drive, format the new internal drive, restore your saves from USB, and go about installing games again.

        The only annoying part is if you already have a ton of games on the internal drive.
        I don't know any way to copy those along, you have to redownload them AFAIK, so hopefully you have a good ISP.

        I know a few people that did this using 512gb SSDs for the speed boost.
        On my friends SSD'ed PS4 I got to play GTA5 before and after the upgrade, and you could very much tell the difference in speed. Much closer to PC loading times than stock console.

        For extra capacity, I think the largest "thin" 9.5mm HDs out there are 2tb, but that too is only a matter of time and I may already be out-of-date wrong with that statement.

        BTW the PS3 is just as easily upgraded.
        I never owned a PS2 so can't comment there (does it even have an HD?), and the PS1 certainly did not.

        • yeah i know all that can be done

          but there is no technical reason that i cant simply buy an external drive...plug it into the usb port (that is already there).... and save to it

          Until I can do that, im not getting one
          • Out of curiosity, what is attractive about using an external drive through a slow USB interface when you can use an internal drive over SATA? From my perspective: I've got an external drive on my Wii hosting disk images of games, and I hate having it outside the case of the system. The benefit that I see is increased functionality, but it seems like having the drive outside the system is a big drawback. Is your interest in having game saves on a USB stick, or something? Like for transportation to another sy

          • game performance over USB would suffer tremendously. You wouldn't want to do that.

            You CAN do system backups to USB.

        • The PS2 had an add-on HD and network adapter but the only thing I can think of that you could use it for was Final Fantasy 11 which required it. I think some of the newer form factor PS2's had a built-in wired network adapter, but they didn't have a bay for the hard drive. Don't know of any games that used it.

        • I don't know any way to copy those along, you have to redownload them AFAIK,

          You can do a system backup to external drives now, Firmware 2.50 added that feature.

          http://manuals.playstation.net... [playstation.net]

          I never owned a PS2 so can't comment there (does it even have an HD?),

          YES! The network adapter has a connector for a standard full size PATA drive. The official PS2 HDD's are 40GB Maxtors IIRC, they're "blessed" though, special firmware so games recognize them. PS2 Games won't recognize a non-blessed HDD. FFXI requires, and is shipped with the HDD. The only way to get the official retail non-Linux-kit PS2 HDD is by buying FFXI. There are a few other game

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by DiEx-15 ( 959602 )

          I never owned a PS2 so can't comment there (does it even have an HD?), and the PS1 certainly did not.

          PS2 did have one but it was external, sold separately, and sadly (or weirdly) it never caught on.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by _merlin ( 160982 )

        Nintendo lets you play games off an external USB HDD on the Wii U. Sony's just fucking you over again.

    • It's a 2.5" SATA drive.
      Best $/GB for 2.5" drives at the moment is in the 750 - 1000GB size.
      A 2TB drive costs more than 2x a 1TB drive.

    • > I'm not a PS4 (or any other console) fanboy, but I read this and can't help wonder:
      > It there anything that stops a user from replacing the hard drive in a PS4 with a larger
      > drive themselves (wonky interfaces? self destruct when opened cases? magic formatting
      > of the drive that can't readily be duplicated?)? Is it a typical 3.5 inch drive or a smaller drive?

      It is no problem to replace PS4 disk. You just get compatible (in size - 2,5", max 9,5mm tall, similar performance - nothing fancy, you

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Tukz ( 664339 )

      You can say the same for laptops.
      So easily replaced, but laptops with larger drives costs more than what the drive would had cost by itself by quite a lot.

      In most cases it's cheaper to buy the laptop with the smallest HDD and replace it yourself with something larger or a SSD.

      Oh and to answer your question, it's a 2.5 inch drive in the PS4, though with a height limit of 9.5mm iirc.
      People have reported 4TB working fine.

    • I'm not a PS4 (or any other console) fanboy, but I read this and can't help wonder: It there anything that stops a user from replacing the hard drive in a PS4 with a larger drive themselves (wonky interfaces? self destruct when opened cases? magic formatting of the drive that can't readily be duplicated?)? Is it a typical 3.5 inch drive or a smaller drive?

      Sony pretty actively advertises that the PS4 HDD is completely user-upgradable. IIRC the PS4 manual contains instructions, and they also have them online here [playstation.com].

      I've read articles that have tested magnetic, SSD, and Hybrid(SSHD) drives, and they all work just fine. The main limitations appear to be in terms of physical size (2.5" drive, 9.5mm or less in height). Word has it you can use up to a 6TB drive, although the people doing so are using 3.5" drives in external enclosures (and I've read some reports

  • Non-News (Score:3)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday June 22, 2015 @05:02PM (#49965005)

    Since it's so easy to replace the drive in the first place, this seem like kind of non-news... it will be helpful for some non-technical people but most people are probably not coming close to filling up the drives Sony currently ships with.

    • You might be surprised. One of the unexpectedly fun things (for me) with the PS4 is the video recording functionality. They make it very simple to record the videos and post them to Youtube. It makes it easy to fill up the drive, too. I don't plan on upgrading the drive any time soon but I do see how some could find 500 gig insufficient.

      • That is a good point, I just figured that would all be streamed up and removed but it could easily impact disk space.

        • You have to go a lil out of your way to actually get it out to Youtube. Basically what happens is you encounter something funny, so you quickly hit the 'share' button and the PS4 will take the last 10 minutes and save it. If you tell it to stream it'll cancel your game, so instead you bank it until you get a chance to trim it down and upload it later. I suppose that's for the better since if it started uploading it could mess up your ping times.

    • You probably mean PS4, but I filled up my stock PS3 drive with various games bought on the PSN sales... and I would say I'm a "prefers disk" person.. but when a game gets down to $5, I'll get it on PSN.

      So eventually I'll probably replace my PS3 drive with a bigger one.

  • It's still going to be a shitsucking 5400 RPM laptop drive, so loading times will just be even worse.

  • Who wants to pay $200 for a 5400 rpm 1TB drive?

  • "More space" is by far the least interesting out of a short list of not very interesting upgrades.

    The others are: 8% lower power consumption, 10% lower weight. Oh, and a matte finish to the hard drive bay!

  • PS 4,... in July, ...July 4th?

  • The first thing I did when I got my PS4 was to take out the measly 500gb drive and replace it with a 2TB7200 rpm drive immediately..... Anyone with a Playstation Plus account would really be advised to do so anyways... [I upgraded my PS3 drive to a 7200rpm 1 tb as well recently also to take advantage of PS+ as well)

  • You could probably buy a 3 or 4 TB drive. These console manufacturers are rip off artists, The street price between a 500 gig and a 1TB drive is like 15 bucks. What a bunch of jokers these assholes are.

    And the fanbois will drop to their knees and chap their lips all the while singing the praises of both Msoft and Sony for finally giving them the storage they both should have been released with when they debuted.

    • You could probably buy a 3 or 4 TB drive.

      I think that 2TB is currently the largest 2.5" drive. The system apparently supports up to 6TB, and I guess some people have done it with cable extensions to 3.5" drives, or something.

      And the fanbois will drop to their knees and chap their lips all the while singing the praises of both Msoft and Sony for finally giving them the storage they both should have been released with when they debuted.

      ....Or it'll give less-technical people another purchase option. The new PS4 version is apparently releasing for AUD550, which is what the previous versions launched at. I don't get where the vitriol is coming from.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by marsu_k ( 701360 )

        I think that 2TB is currently the largest 2.5" drive. The system apparently supports up to 6TB, and I guess some people have done it with cable extensions to 3.5" drives, or something.

        There's at least one semi-external enclosure, that replaces the HDD cover with a slightly taller version that one can fit a 3.5" drive in. But according to reviews, it seems to perform worse than the stock drive (at least with a 3TB drive), so I'm not sure that's advisable - games probably assume that the HDD works at least as fast as the stock one.

  • One thing that's always puzzling me is why can't PS3 and PS4 work as a client for CIFS (Windows or Samba file server). I use my PS3 primarily for movies. Sure, you can stream things to it using a media stream server, but I never got it why Sony always wants to lock the users into "the one" way of doing things, and taking their options away. Moreover, media streaming doesn't work well with the PS3 over wireless because of the ancient Wireless-G Wi-Fi interface. So what I do is download the mp4 files directly

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by shione ( 666388 )

      Probably because Sony's entertainment division didn't want the playstation to be able to easily copy/read files easily over the network because any copying/reading makes "omg piracy!" pop up in their tunnel vision eyes. The ps3 and 4 support DLNA for streaming though which is something at least. DLNA was started by Sony I believe and is a open standard while CIFS is microsoft and a closed standard. SMB was only possible by reverse engineering SMB but microsoft often changes the standard giving *nix distribu

      • If Sony wants DLNA to become the way of accessing media, then they should at least get the wireless interface right on the consoles. The very first PS3 came out before 801.11n was a standard, so I can forgive it, but the updated slim PS3 came out years later still with outdated 801.11g. PS4 came only with two stream 801.11n, instead of 801.11ac, and only with 2.4GHz band (probably fair enough for 1080p streaming, just barely, but must still use relatively congested 2.4GHz band)

  • A 1TB hard drive is great, especially for people less technically able to upgrade their HDD (I'm terrified of breaking my PS4, but I still have so many downloaded PS3 games to play that I'd like to be able to use my existing hard drive to play them. Given the industry's current focus on HD remakes and re-releases, it's just not going to happen I fear, even if it was technically possible.

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