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Germany Places Command & Conquer on Restricted List 1100

Posted by chrisd from the plain-brown-wrapper dept.
heli0 writes "CNet is reporting that Germany has placed EA's newest Command & Conquer game 'Generals' on its restricted list, which means it may not be advertised or displayed on shelves although it may be kept under store counters and sold to adults. The reason according to Elke Monssen-Engberding, director of the Ministry for Family Affairs: 'It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts.'"
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  • How about George Bush? (Score:5, Funny)

    by cperciva ( 102828 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:41AM (#5604997) Homepage
    Can we put George Bush onto a Restricted list? He certainly portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts.

    • Re:How about George Bush? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by saskboy ( 600063 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:44AM (#5605016) Homepage Journal
      I'd mod you as insightful, but the troll mods you will no doubt accumulate would outweigh me. Michael Moore may be outspoken, but he makes the same point you do. Games don't kill people, people kill people.

      Games don't help unstable people, but they don't twist stable, healthy people looking for a fun evening with friends.
    • ... to visit the nice German town Pressel [mapquest.de] (near Leipzig), and address the people there with "Ik bin eine Bretzel!" [about.com]
    • Haha! It's about time for EA to unleash another sequel:

      Command & Conquer: Diplomacy

      • Fun for all the family. (Score:5, Funny)

        by nounderscores ( 246517 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @06:28AM (#5605491)
        Computer: UN Resolution... building....

        Gamer: Cool. Just wait till those chumps see this doozy!

        Computer: Motion... Blocked!

        Gamer: Where? In the international trade forum??! Dag nabit!

        Gamer (chatting): We are saddened that the motion to maintain our steel tarrifs has been blocked in its current form. You must understand that while we love free trade, we must protect the rights and conditions of our workers and yours from a race to the bottom. Would you consider reconvening in about a weeks time at my private retreat for further multilateral talks?

        Opponent1 (chatting): You suxor! N00b. Birng it on.

        Computer: Motion... Lost!

        Computer: Researching - Hidden Triggers.

        Computer: Researching - Culturally Acceptable Concession Package.

        Computer: Researching - Coercive Inspections.

        Computer: Building - Media Blackout.

        Computer: UN Resolution - Ready.

        Gamer: Hot diddly dang!

        UN Resolution: I got your Serious Consequences right here.

        Gamer: Heh, heh, heh.

        UN Resolution: With All Necessary Measures!

        Computer: Warning! Veto Incoming!

        Gamer: Damnit!

        Computer: Cannot build Multilateral Trade Talks... You have insufficent funds.

        Computer: Warning! Our Powerbase is Under Attack!

        Computer: International Credibility... Lost!

        Computer: Moral High Ground... Lost!

        Computer: UN Resolution... Lost!

        Computer: Warning! Our Powerbase is Under Attack!

        Gamer: Fuck.

        Computer: Warning! Our Powerbase is Under Attack!

  • Isn't it strange that a computer game is deemed as dangerous [in Germany] as a carcinogen that kills 45000 people in my country alone, each year. I somehow don't think games are as deadly, but they are deadly-cool sometimes.

  • This shouldn't come as a surprise. (Score:5, Informative)

    by NotAnotherReboot ( 262125 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:42AM (#5605003)
    The article says Electronic Arts believe it has something to do with what's going on in Iraq right now.

    If this is the case, it's plain ignorance.

    Many games are put on the restricted list in Germany, and this one isn't really a shocker. Perhaps if Timmy the Tooth: Decay Demolisher II was placed on this list there might be some questions behind the reasoning, but a war game? Not a surprise by a long shot.
    • Indeed lots of games are banned in Germany. Another option is to substitute blood for some green substance (only aliens could have green blood).
    • a war game? Not a surprise by a long shot.

      But C&C isn't a violent game, particularly. I don't know if you've ever played it, but it's more like speed-chess than anything else. There's no blood and gore, no dismembered limbs, no gratuitously grotesque monsters. And banning it makes about as much sense as banning chess.

      I can imagine it now, chess being banned because it reinforces the idea that some people are just pawns and hence "expendable" and that powerful people like royalty can go anywhere they

  • Reminds me of ... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cOdEgUru ( 181536 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:42AM (#5605004) Homepage Journal
    Americans and their Freedom Fries

  • The impact of this decision (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Harald74 ( 40901 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:42AM (#5605006) Homepage Journal
    Anyone else wants to bet that sales will soar?

    GTA3 [rockstargames.com] was in the news here in Norway [visitnorway.com] a lot when it was released. Different agencies and ministers connected with children all wanted to ban it. Result? Top seller in Norway that year...
  • and we still have wars.

    When will people realise that some things (i.e. war) are in our nature and will not change anytime soon.

  • lol... "warcraft" then ? (Score:4, Funny)

    by selderrr ( 523988 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:43AM (#5605011) Journal
    the title alone promotes war, portrays it as a skill, as something to strive for and improve on !

    And solitaire, what kind of an asocial name with an egoist attitude is that ?

  • Nothing resolves family conflicts like... (Score:5, Funny)

    by CoolVibe ( 11466 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:46AM (#5605034) Journal
    ...a good game of quake/halflife/counterstrike/etc deathmatch. Seeing my younger brother splattered against a wall in a game does wonders for resolving conflicts :)

    And my brother is a marine... muhahahaha

    :)

    • There's nothing like coming home from ye ole office for a nice few rounds of deathmatch/capture the flag. Ahhhhh.
      • Oh yes. And the "conflicts" I was talking about usually involve who's buying the beer this time.

        A typical exchange:

        Bro: *spots me on the roof somewhere* Ah! Prepare to die!
        Me: *grin* *BLAM*
        * Bro gets killed by me with an awp in the head
        Bro: Hey! You can't run and shoot with that sniper rifle!
        Me: Apparently I can... You buy the next round :)

        Well, sometimes he smears me though. It's a lot of fun nonetheless. Heck, we sometimes even play classic quake 1 sometimes, for variation, and sometimes even Do

  • Command & Conquer: Inspectors (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:47AM (#5605044)
    "We have evidence that the Brotherhood of Nod does indeed have a harvester. For all we know, they could be harvesting Tiberium as we speak."

  • ob simpsons quote (Score:5, Funny)

    by zephc ( 225327 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:50AM (#5605061)
    "We Germans are not a warlike people"

  • Good for Germany. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alistair ( 31390 ) <[alistair] [at] [hotldap.com]> on Thursday March 27, 2003 @04:50AM (#5605062)
    A quote I saw the other day

    "You know that times are stange when the best rapper in the world is white, the best golfer in the world is black, the Americas cup is held by landlocked Sweden, the French are accusing the Americans of arrogance and Germany is steadfstly refusing to go to war."

    I agree with this decision. The reporting of this war has verged on pornography, with too many reporters getting excited about bombs and tanks and too little attention being paid to the human cost. They are right not to ban it, but right not to promote the joy of conflict at this time either.

    • Re:Good for Germany. (Score:2, Insightful)

      by HighFlyer ( 60002 )
      Sweden is not landlocked.

      Switzerland is. And they are the ones holding The Cup.
    • Yup, its a good Qoute [slashdot.org].

      BTW, Leave Porn Alone, And go do something Constructive. [masturbateforpeace.com]

      • Re:Good for Germany. (Score:3, Informative)

        by alistair ( 31390 )
        There seem to be about 100 variations of this quote, although all the others managed not to confuse Sweden and Switzerland.

        I found a 2001 article [216.239.53.100] (Google Cache) on the variations of this quote which appeared in the press and internet. The quote is attributes to Charles Barkley.
    • You have to respect Germany's desire to break away from its past. But censorship is not the way to do it. You can't simply outlaw philosphies you don't like. Germany has tried to ban anything resembling a Nazi party for over 50 years. It's illegal (or was the last time I looked -- been a few years) in that country even to display a swastika. (Except in a "historical context", which I find disturbingly vague.) Does that prevent the spread of neo-Nazism and racism in Germany? Not at all, there's still a lot o
      • Most of the NeoNazi stuff I have seen in Germany has been in the former East. And, it is important to state this, that American NeoNazis have been expelled from Germany for recruiting, etc. As for the Swastika, give Germany credit. They went from 0 to decently tolerant in about 50 years (the Turks are one real problem they still haven't gotten around, but I bet they will, without violence. We've been half-assing it for 200+ years. I never felt strange walking with a African friend while in Germany, but, gro
    • My mistake, sorry.

      By way of apology here is a link to a mildly amusing Picture of President Bush [private-eye.co.uk].

    • Re:Good for Germany. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Lemmy Caution ( 8378 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @05:21AM (#5605211) Homepage
      I don't think it's ironic at all that Germany and Japan are, in different ways, two of the most resolute "pacifist states." It's more likely to be the consequence of their histories, than in spite of them.

      • Defusing bombs (Score:5, Interesting)

        by ojQj ( 657924 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @07:27AM (#5605716)
        You are absolutely right.

        I'm an American living in Germany. I was listening to the radio on the way home from work the other day. The announcer was listing off the traffic jams and construction sites of the day and casually mentioned that they were defusing a bomb in a particular area, and that people who weren't directly involved should avoid the area.

        This wasn't major news -- unexploded ordinance from WWII is still occasionally found and needs to be taken care of. With such ever present reminders of the horrors of war you begin to understand why the Germans are so utterly opposed to starting them these days.

    • "You know that times are stange when the best rapper in the world is white, the best golfer in the world is black, the Americas cup is held by landlocked Sweden, the French are accusing the Americans of arrogance and Germany is steadfstly refusing to go to war."

      That would be Switzerland: they won the cup this year.
    • Isn't it amazing how much ignorance people can stuff into one quote?

      1) The bestselling rapper is white. Big news. The bestselling artist of any black music trend is always white.
      2) That's Switzerland. Sweden has plenty of coastline.
      3) People all over the world consider Americans arrogant, as they think this level of ignorance must be deliberate. Nothing new there.
      4) Germany has a constitution, largely dictated 50 years ago by the allies, including the US, which interdicts any offensive war. And saying 'I'm

      • Re:Good for Germany. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by budgenator ( 254554 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @08:52AM (#5606040) Journal
        sweep the suffering under a rug, as it might inhibit support for the war effort. Do show the corpses, the malnourished children and the diseases caused by impure drinking water.
        I'm not sure if you're saying that Iraqi children are dieing because Saddam spent all the money he didn't steal on cheap assed soviet era anti-aircraft missiles without G-limiters switches that break in half and drop there warheads in inconvienient places and chemical and nuclear weapon's plants instead of building hospitals, water and sewage treatment plants and food or just the opposite?
    • The reporting of this war has verged on pornography, with too many reporters getting excited about bombs and tanks and too little attention being paid to the human cost.

      There's an article [guardian.co.uk] on this very subject in yesterday's Guardian [guardian.co.uk]. Draws some very interesting parallels between porn and war footage: "This... is the kind of spectacular vision you get in porn - where the point is to see the sex act from every angle. It's narcissistic." (Linda Williams, professor of film studies and rhetoric at UC Berkley)
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  • "Chess doesn't even include the concept of diplomacy," they will say. "Why can't the two sides just appeal to some sort of Security Council that can veto the war and send both people home? And it's so violent. Oh sure, the pieces are 'captured'. Yeah, right. Everyone who has seen the first Harry Potter movie knows the brutal truth about what really happens when you 'capture' a piece in chess."

    They might also point out that only one piece out of 16 on each side is female. Why not half? It's sexist as
    • But of course, the female player is the most powerful of the lot.

      Anyone who's ever spent any time with a woman knows this to be true :-]
    • "Everyone who has seen the first Harry Potter movie knows the brutal truth about what really happens when you 'capture' a piece in chess."

      Or perhaps Star Wars and that round-boarded holographic chess game Chewy and R2-D2 were playing.


      "They might also point out that only one piece out of 16 on each side is female. Why not half? It's sexist as well as violent!"

      Ah yes, but she is by far the most powerful piece on the board, can be resurrected from the dead, and can be cloned. Besides, do you honestl
  • This sort of things annoys me and I'm going to tell you why :). Games such as GTA and the other C+C games in some countries had age restrictions placed on them. Now if a game is rated 18 I would expect it to be sold only to adults. If some underage tried to buy it then the shopkeeper should ask for proof of age.

    Hiding something away doesn't make it go away. IMHO it actually makes it more exciting as its forbidden. Surel 99.9% realise that ITS JUST A GAME. Its not reality. I mean I don't play Burnout 2 an

    • Actual age restriction is damn stupid. Age recommendation is good - most parents don't keep up with the latest gaming news, and an age recommendation on the box helps a parent decide if their child is old enough to play a given game. But actually asking for ID for some game - wtf, kids play their games at home, their parents will see it if the game they are playing is something they object to. And if they don't, they're not doing a very good job.

      When I was a kid, my parents bought my games. Or I earned som

  • Sure, everything which has something to do with Germany and the US has to be connected to the war these days... That's just plain stupid!
    • The game was put on the list three weeks ago, before the war started. Thanks C|net for noticing...
    • Many games are put on that list, independently of who produces them.
    • CC3 does promote war, force and use of WMDs as the only option without alternatives. So, if you think a list like that makes sense (which I don't necessarily do), it reasonable to put CC3 on it.

    Note that

  • You have to admit, the kickass intro to C&C Generals shows what appears to be news footage with just the talking mouths. The narration is "In the Twentieth century, world leaders resolve conflicts with words. Words like SCUD MISSILE". Unfortuantly I don't have the game installed atm, but it basically gives the impression that world leaders solve conflicts by blowing the crap out of each other.

    The game very stylishly makes this seem cool. And it is amusing. While the gameplay is basically no differ
  • ... if German lawmakers ran the game industry? War games are war games because that's what's cool. What kind of boring stuff would Germany rather have its citizens play? Diplomacy games? Peacekeeping games? How about SimBlowhard, the true-to-life foreign relations sim, replete with advanced spin-doctor AI?
  • The reason according to Elke Monssen-Engberding, director of the Ministry for Family Affairs: 'It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts.'"

    Germany outlaws ideas, beliefs and feelings. If thought crimes ever existed, it will start in Germany.

    Of course, here in the USA, if you voice bias towards a minority, it can be considered a Hate Crime.

    -
    Political Correctness can bite my shiney metal ass.

  • And here I were beeing smug over the whole "freedom fries/toast" thingy.
    ...but along comes the friggin Ministry Of Trivial Stupidity and proves that laughable selective stupidity is indeed global, and yes it affects us in the EU too.

    Last time I checked something like 90% of all games was insanely violent, but... hey lets single one random game out ond pick on it.
    I'm sure it will save our children real soon now.

    Shape up Germany, you are seriously hampering my ability to look down my nose at USians ;-)

  • It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts.

    <troll>
    So, will GWB be refused a visa next time he visits Deutschland?
    </troll>

    • You don't require a visa, to travel between the US and the EU, neither between the US and Japan, for that matter.
      • Unless of course you happen to have parent which come from a semi-randomly selected country, in which case you need to have a biometric card, put your DNA in the hands of the government and have your dick-lenght/bra-size tattoo'd on your forehead.
  • I remember getting most of the games I ever played as a gift from my parents. IF C&C can be sold to adults I think it realy won't help. Violence isn't stopped by banning games in my opinion. It's the role-model kids see that's influencing them the most
  • If the Germans are putting the game on the restricted list because 'It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts', by extension of the same logic, shouldn't the United States drop the price 50% maybe or, uh, just give it away free?

    As regards those of you implying that the Germans shy away from violence on TV, on the contrary -- in my many visits there, I've noticed that some of the content is quite graphic and very violent. But the big difference is that the violence they show on TV is nine times o
    • It's often claimed that there's a difference in culture between Europe and the US when it comes on what is acceptable on TV and what not.

      The US shy away from showing naked people on screen, while a woman flashing bare breasts is part of more or less every shower gel or deodorant commercial over here. And what they show on late night TV here would classify as hard porn for some Americans.

      The Europeans shy away from showing violent movies that are violent for the sake of violence (e.g. Slasher movies) while
  • Who here wouldn't be able to list at least 30 popular titles that fit in that description?

    But, to be honest, I just see this as a piss at US, to show how consistent Germany is in being against the idea of using war to solve the conflict with Saddam. Plus, EA is an American company.
    • It is: All Quakes are on this list, Wolfenstein is, some versions of Half-life are and so on. If a game is on this list, it may not be advertised and sold to people under 18. But nobody's holding you back if you want to buy these and are over 18.

      BTW: The game was put on the list before the war started.
    • But, to be honest, I just see this as a piss at US, to show how consistent Germany is in being against the idea of using war to solve the conflict with Saddam.

      No.

      The game was blacklisted three weeks ago and the discussion about this games started long before the gulf war pt.2 came up. Finally, this blacklist is way older than any of the recent quarrels between the US and German governments.
  • The problem of "C&C Generals" is that it portrays war as a "fun thing" - yay, let's go to war! The spoken comments of the game characters, the game's settings - I read a report that says that the game campaign includes targetting civilians (and calls this "acceptable collateral damage") and bombing UN convoys. The game is, in one word, cynical.

    Yes, I do like strategy games and first person shooters. But these games are usually set in an alternate reality or at least use broad irony. "C&C Generals"
  • Will chess be banned next? After all, checkmate comes from the Persian "shah mat", i.e. "The shah is dead". Will they be banning the books of von Clauswitz? Sun Tzu?

    Of course combat games don't present peaceful solutions to conflict. Would you buy them if they did?

    Being against war is one thing. Thinking that a video game will turn a user into a terrorist or Rambo is just plain stupid. Does anyone think that video games made Bush, Saddam Hussein, or bin Laden what they are today?

    Besides, C&C is more

  • I guess much can be said about the influence of gaming/entertainment on upbringing and reasoning and if this should have such a significan weight.

    The least thing you can say that Germany is consistent and although this decision is probably influenced by recent events, I can support them (especially since it's not really censorship in the strictest sence: you can still buy the game without problem).

    btw, war isn't really resolving conflicts (ever), it's just anihilating it by destroying the oponent 's view
  • In my opinion, the game's atmosphere does indeed have a pro-war, conservative biased smell to it. I won't go into specifics, because it's mostly bits and pieces that is better understood once played.

    One thing that I will touch on is C&C Generals Online's interesting (and mandatory) word filtering (both in chat rooms and in multiplayer games).
    Along with the traditional swear words, don't expect to use words such as:
    "saddam", "osama", "hitler", and "god". They will all show up as aterisks. If that's a

  • *sigh* (Score:2, Interesting)

    by benson hedges ( 595198 )
    I feel the need to correct this, and risk my good karma by putting up something that, in peace time, would be labeled "+1 informative", and at the moment will most likely end up as "-1 flamebait". oh well, here we go.

    the german "Bundesruefstelle fuer jugendgefaehrdende Schriften" (federal department for the control of youth-endangering writings) maintains a list of products that are deemed "adult material". These products may neither be advertised, nor openly sold, but after an ID check may be sold to any

    • > my point : this restriction list is not really potent

      Well, personally I think it is potent.
      It might not prevent a teenager from getting the game, but it displays the societies stand on that matter. And I think that is much more important than the ability to play it.

      A society which follows a clear line on a matter gives the necessary counter-balance, to set such games back into perspective.

      I think, playing such games do not promote such behaviour, iff the surroudings provide a good counter-balance t
  • What a completely pathetic excuse to restrict a game. "It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts." What a load of crap. Violence is reasonable excuse, mature content is reasonable excuse...but this left-slanted, ideological, and inaccurate viewpoint is NOT a valid reason.

    I find it ironic that Germany claims to have a perfect knowledge of war, and because of that, they've concluded that they will never EVER go back to the ways of Nazism. Yet what are they doing? Forcing a politcal mindset

    • Yet what are they doing? Forcing a politcal mindset upon a population!

      "Of course we're not surprised that the Germans are against war. We taught you so."

      A senior member of the US diplomatic corps, talking to DER SPIEGEL magazine about Germany's stand in the UN security council, requesting that his name was withheld.
  • In a move taken by Berlin as to not seem hypocritical, all American icons on German televisions, newspapers and plastic lunchboxes have been banned. It is unknown what effect this will have on Baywatch and Knight Rider merchandise, because... well..

    say it with me here folks..

    Germans love David Hasselhoff.
  • 'cause believe it or not, the conflict is an intrinsic part of all games.

    How this conflict is visually represented is an entirely different matter. However, violent or non-violent, direct or indirect (Chris Crawford) playing a game revolves around the attempt to resolve a structural conflict.

    Seems like they'll be keeping themselves perty busy in Germany.
  • the first victims of the Iraqi war would be German teenagers? Poor kids won't be able to play a pretty decent game.
    Sometimes, governments can be impractical. Sometimes politicians do something just for the sake of getting noticed. I've noticed that lots of countries that havent addressed or handled domestic issues and violence, are trying to act big and denouncing war. The war against war, starts at home... in your own house, town, city and country.
    Well.. maybe citing war b/w existing countries in a game
  • The reason according to Elke Monssen-Engberding, director of the Ministry for Family Affairs: 'It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts.'

    EA has solved the problem through a game redesign. Now the first thing that happens when you start a game is that the following message appears:

    You are president of Baristan. Your country shares a border with Fooistan. Fooistan is ruled by a bloodthirsty dictator who like to uses mustard gas and nerve gas on his own people for kicks. He has amassed several
    1. Fight for freedom;
    2. censor for peace;
    3. repeat.
    What better way to keep people busy?
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  • I played the first part of the series and had a brief look at the second one. I don't know about the second, but in the first the soldiers were changed into androids for the German market. The only change in the actual game was that the blood was removed and they made a different sound when a tank drove over them. Apart from that, the descriptions in the manual (which was translated anyway) were changed. That way, they avoided landing on the index. Silly.

    The same ministry liked Unreal more than Quake beca
  • ... talking about Germany, I just had to submit this joke...

    You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, The Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance, and Germany doesn't want to go to war!

  • Good (Score:2)

    by g4dget ( 579145 )
    I don't know about this particular game--maybe the decision makes sense, maybe it doesn't. But I think it is good that advertising is not considered "free speech" and that not everything goes when it comes to advertising. Of course, far more dangerous than advertisements for video games would seem to be advertisements for fast food. But perhaps they'll get around to restricting those, too.
  • The reason according to Elke Monssen-Engberding, director of the Ministry for Family Affairs: 'It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts.'"

    Did EA sell a prerelease to G.W.Bush?

    So now it's EA I gotta blame, right?
  • Germany, the country that started BOTH world wars, is complaining that a VIDEO GAME portrays war as the only solution?!

  • It feels like a good thing to me. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nuwayser ( 168008 ) <pete AT tux DOT org> on Thursday March 27, 2003 @07:14AM (#5605666) Homepage Journal
    Though I can't put into words why, at least, not right off the bat... something about how the constant playing of war games could eventually become a replacement behavior for learning how to have real conflict with people. Or, as one therapist friend of mine put it, it could prevent people from owning their violence.

    Like with pornography: someone who looks at that stuff too much and from too young an age may never learn what real love and intimacy feel like. It's a real problem.

    Perhaps that isn't the German gov't's perspective, but it feels like a good decision to me, for the above reasons. Games like that just insulate the players from the realities of war. Sure, it's just a game, I know, but can anyone give me a reason why I need yet another false portrayal of war these days (in addition to those of most American media outlets)?

    Of course, they could just be placing controls on software made by an American company, but I don't know if the publisher is American. As someone else said, I think it will just draw attention to it and raise sales. Too bad.

  • Reason why it portrays war that way (Score:5, Funny)

    by ehiris ( 214677 ) on Thursday March 27, 2003 @11:30AM (#5607222) Homepage
    'It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflict'

    In the intro they have somebody say:
    "In the modern world, great leaders resolve conflicts with words, words like :
    Scud Luncher
    Carpet bombing
    Tomahawk missiles     "

    The game is pretty fun to play if it wouldn't crash all the time and reboot my system because my video card was a ATI Radeon 7200 and they can't make the game not crash on anything lesser then a 7500.

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