by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Sunday October 06, 2019 @12:42PM (#59275678)
Regardless of if he cheated or not, I wish people would stop using HOW the graphics are drawn as if it were the bullet that proved it, as there ARE OG boards that draw graphics on screen in the pattern that they observed. Even if MAME was used, accuracy is their schtick, which is why Bemani 573 Digital MPEG decompression emulation was delayed for instance.
MAME has a whole bunch of features to enable cheating. Once it's been determined it's been done on MAME, there's no easy way to rule out other modifications.
I am confused. Respectfully, how is this even relevant? I was under the impression that the recording of him using MAME was done for a documentary (possibly, other times for fun?). But, all the record attempts were done on non-MAME machines.
My source is the Slashdot article about this from last month, have I missed a major development in this story somewhere?
No one has found an OG board draws graphics that way. Every single one draws it differently than Mitchell’s video. If you have an OG board that counters this, perhaps you should present that evidence otherwise your assertion is just . Also as a side note, only certain versions of MAME drew graphics that way not all versions. The versions existed at the time when the video would have been recorded.
Mame isn't perfect, otherwise there would never be updates.
Using Mame would be illegal as all scores were REQUIRED to be on ORIGINAL UNMODIFIED machines, which totally leaves out Mame.
It was verified that an original unmodified machine will NOT draw the 3 girders frame, despite a significant amount of time attempting to do so.
It was also verified that a version of Mame that was available at the time the tape was made WILL create the 3 girder frames.
So HOW the graphics were drawn is absolutely the point here as it proves that it was not done of an original unmodified machine, and was most likely done on Mame, which by the rules that were and are still relevant, is considered cheating and gets the lifetime ban hammer, a penalty that was stated in their regs, thus removing him from the scoreboard forever.
It's much like the cheating incident with another game that had a score that wasn't in a multiple of 5 despite the fact that the game only scores points in multiples of 5. They may not know exactly how it was faked, but they know the real thing will NEVER do that, so it's a cheat.
So why don't they create another category for "best score on MAME"? If he didn't try and conceal this (I don't know either way) -- then why should it be considered cheating?
A guy gets a good score on a system they don't authorize -- fine. They invalidate that score. But a lifetime ban? Pretty harsh and it calls into question their integrity of scores.
From the other comments, the terms & conditions stated the requirements ("unmodified original hardware ONLY") and punishment ("gross violation of these terms will result in deletion of all records and a lifetime ban").
Now, he could totally have played fair, and just used a PC at home out of sheer hubris. Comments about him achieving such scores during a livestream indicate he's still totally able to do so. Or he went to some random arcade and the cabinet happened to be some kind of homebrew knockoff wit
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MAME has a whole bunch of features to enable cheating. Once it's been determined it's been done on MAME, there's no easy way to rule out other modifications.
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Using Mame would be illegal as all scores were REQUIRED to be on ORIGINAL UNMODIFIED machines, which totally leaves out Mame.
It was verified that an original unmodified machine will NOT draw the 3 girders frame, despite a significant amount of time attempting to do so.
It was also verified that a version of Mame that was available at the time the tape was made WILL create the 3 girder frames.
So HOW the graphics were drawn is absolutely the point here as it proves that it was not done of an original unmodified machine, and was most likely done on Mame, which by the rules that were and are still relevant, is considered cheating and gets the lifetime ban hammer, a penalty that was stated in their regs, thus removing him from the scoreboard forever.
It's much like the cheating incident with another game that had a score that wasn't in a multiple of 5 despite the fact that the game only scores points in multiples of 5. They may not know exactly how it was faked, but they know the real thing will NEVER do that, so it's a cheat.
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So why don't they create another category for "best score on MAME"? If he didn't try and conceal this (I don't know either way) -- then why should it be considered cheating?
A guy gets a good score on a system they don't authorize -- fine. They invalidate that score. But a lifetime ban? Pretty harsh and it calls into question their integrity of scores.
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From the other comments, the terms & conditions stated the requirements ("unmodified original hardware ONLY") and punishment ("gross violation of these terms will result in deletion of all records and a lifetime ban").
Now, he could totally have played fair, and just used a PC at home out of sheer hubris. Comments about him achieving such scores during a livestream indicate he's still totally able to do so. Or he went to some random arcade and the cabinet happened to be some kind of homebrew knockoff wit